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Is this standard Japanese employment negotiations, or am I missing something?
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My dilemma is that I have recently been interviewing for a remote position with a company based out of Tokyo, Japan. They are a fairly young start up, with one semi successful product currently out. They seem to be incredibly interested in hiring me. However, there seems to either be some cultural miscommunications or maybe just misunderstandings that I need help with.
They first offered a full time (remote) position to me, but it was substantially below what I could accept. I made this clear (politely) and had to decline. They said that was fine, and if their monetary situation changed they would let me know.
They came back several days later with the right amount of money (nearly double the original amount) but the offer specified it was only for a two month contract. I asked for clarification, and also said this was not long enough for me to consider leaving my stable job for.
This evening I got another message asking if I would be interested in a part-time position, in conjunction with my full-time engineering job I already have. I have now told them that this won’t work, I need to have both good pay and a stable position to help their company reach its goals and for me to have a sane life, basically. I recommended we have a meeting to better discuss what it is we are both looking for and need.
Is any of this normal? Do Japanese negotiations just look very different than other Western methods?
TL;DR: I’ve been very clear with this company about what I need in a job, but they seem to not be understanding or are dodging things. Am I missing something?
Details: I am an Electrical and Software Engineer located in the United States with a stable job and decent pay. I like this new company, and would be excited to work for them.
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My dilemma is that I have recently been interviewing for a remote position with a company based out of Tokyo, Japan. They are a fairly young start up, with one semi successful product currently out. They seem to be incredibly interested in hiring me. However, there seems to either be some cultural miscommunications or maybe just misunderstandings that I need help with.
They first offered a full time (remote) position to me, but it was substantially below what I could accept. I made this clear (politely) and had to decline. They said that was fine, and if their monetary situation changed they would let me know.
They came back several days later with the right amount of money (nearly double the original amount) but the offer specified it was only for a two month contract. I asked for clarification, and also said this was not long enough for me to consider leaving my stable job for.
This evening I got another message asking if I would be interested in a part-time position, in conjunction with my full-time engineering job I already have. I have now told them that this won’t work, I need to have both good pay and a stable position to help their company reach its goals and for me to have a sane life, basically. I recommended we have a meeting to better discuss what it is we are both looking for and need.
Is any of this normal? Do Japanese negotiations just look very different than other Western methods?
TL;DR: I’ve been very clear with this company about what I need in a job, but they seem to not be understanding or are dodging things. Am I missing something?
Details: I am an Electrical and Software Engineer located in the United States with a stable job and decent pay. I like this new company, and would be excited to work for them.
interviewing negotiation employment culture japan
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My dilemma is that I have recently been interviewing for a remote position with a company based out of Tokyo, Japan. They are a fairly young start up, with one semi successful product currently out. They seem to be incredibly interested in hiring me. However, there seems to either be some cultural miscommunications or maybe just misunderstandings that I need help with.
They first offered a full time (remote) position to me, but it was substantially below what I could accept. I made this clear (politely) and had to decline. They said that was fine, and if their monetary situation changed they would let me know.
They came back several days later with the right amount of money (nearly double the original amount) but the offer specified it was only for a two month contract. I asked for clarification, and also said this was not long enough for me to consider leaving my stable job for.
This evening I got another message asking if I would be interested in a part-time position, in conjunction with my full-time engineering job I already have. I have now told them that this won’t work, I need to have both good pay and a stable position to help their company reach its goals and for me to have a sane life, basically. I recommended we have a meeting to better discuss what it is we are both looking for and need.
Is any of this normal? Do Japanese negotiations just look very different than other Western methods?
TL;DR: I’ve been very clear with this company about what I need in a job, but they seem to not be understanding or are dodging things. Am I missing something?
Details: I am an Electrical and Software Engineer located in the United States with a stable job and decent pay. I like this new company, and would be excited to work for them.
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My dilemma is that I have recently been interviewing for a remote position with a company based out of Tokyo, Japan. They are a fairly young start up, with one semi successful product currently out. They seem to be incredibly interested in hiring me. However, there seems to either be some cultural miscommunications or maybe just misunderstandings that I need help with.
They first offered a full time (remote) position to me, but it was substantially below what I could accept. I made this clear (politely) and had to decline. They said that was fine, and if their monetary situation changed they would let me know.
They came back several days later with the right amount of money (nearly double the original amount) but the offer specified it was only for a two month contract. I asked for clarification, and also said this was not long enough for me to consider leaving my stable job for.
This evening I got another message asking if I would be interested in a part-time position, in conjunction with my full-time engineering job I already have. I have now told them that this won’t work, I need to have both good pay and a stable position to help their company reach its goals and for me to have a sane life, basically. I recommended we have a meeting to better discuss what it is we are both looking for and need.
Is any of this normal? Do Japanese negotiations just look very different than other Western methods?
TL;DR: I’ve been very clear with this company about what I need in a job, but they seem to not be understanding or are dodging things. Am I missing something?
Details: I am an Electrical and Software Engineer located in the United States with a stable job and decent pay. I like this new company, and would be excited to work for them.
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No, it is not a standard practice in Japan.
I think they are just a startup that can't afford to hire you on full-time at the price you are asking, so they are looking for alternatives.
As for the short-term contract, they may have specific tasks in mind they would like you to handle, that they can't handle with their current resources.
The part time offer was also probably geared to you taking over those difficult tasks, with you keeping your day job so that your pay is at an acceptable level.
If you don't think you can work without a long-term full-time contract above a certain salary, then say that to them one more time, and if they can't make that offer, it may just be best to part ways.
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No, it is not a standard practice in Japan.
I think they are just a startup that can't afford to hire you on full-time at the price you are asking, so they are looking for alternatives.
As for the short-term contract, they may have specific tasks in mind they would like you to handle, that they can't handle with their current resources.
The part time offer was also probably geared to you taking over those difficult tasks, with you keeping your day job so that your pay is at an acceptable level.
If you don't think you can work without a long-term full-time contract above a certain salary, then say that to them one more time, and if they can't make that offer, it may just be best to part ways.
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No, it is not a standard practice in Japan.
I think they are just a startup that can't afford to hire you on full-time at the price you are asking, so they are looking for alternatives.
As for the short-term contract, they may have specific tasks in mind they would like you to handle, that they can't handle with their current resources.
The part time offer was also probably geared to you taking over those difficult tasks, with you keeping your day job so that your pay is at an acceptable level.
If you don't think you can work without a long-term full-time contract above a certain salary, then say that to them one more time, and if they can't make that offer, it may just be best to part ways.
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No, it is not a standard practice in Japan.
I think they are just a startup that can't afford to hire you on full-time at the price you are asking, so they are looking for alternatives.
As for the short-term contract, they may have specific tasks in mind they would like you to handle, that they can't handle with their current resources.
The part time offer was also probably geared to you taking over those difficult tasks, with you keeping your day job so that your pay is at an acceptable level.
If you don't think you can work without a long-term full-time contract above a certain salary, then say that to them one more time, and if they can't make that offer, it may just be best to part ways.
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No, it is not a standard practice in Japan.
I think they are just a startup that can't afford to hire you on full-time at the price you are asking, so they are looking for alternatives.
As for the short-term contract, they may have specific tasks in mind they would like you to handle, that they can't handle with their current resources.
The part time offer was also probably geared to you taking over those difficult tasks, with you keeping your day job so that your pay is at an acceptable level.
If you don't think you can work without a long-term full-time contract above a certain salary, then say that to them one more time, and if they can't make that offer, it may just be best to part ways.
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