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How might the United Kingdom become a republic?


Why do party's candidature requirements exist in some countries?Has the British Monarch ever exercised their right to revoke land “ownership” rights for personal use?Can a monarchy become a US state?How are decisions made by the Cabinet of the UK implemented?Does the United Kingdom, in practice, have other constitutional principles which limit the principle of Parliamentary Sovereignty?Given the principle of Parliamentary Sovereignty in the United Kingdom, how would the UK go about adopting a written constitutional settlement?Can the Queen of the United Kingdom appoint her successor?Can the POTUS be the monarch of the UK at the same time?What is a “confirmatory” referendum in the context of Brexit?Does the UK delegate some immigration control to the Republic of Ireland?






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The question seems based on the exceedingly odd premise that politicians don't lie....

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The question seems based on the exceedingly odd premise that politicians don't lie....

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and that you can't desire to replace someone you have sworn alleigence to.

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Another revolution, obviously. They did that in 1688.



Much more likely, they would politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more. If that is really the case, and not just a vocal minority, then after some polite back and forth the Queen would probably step down rather than fighting a civil war which she is unlikely to win.



While many Brits will be true to their oath, consider the difference between the individual monarch, the Crown, and the Crown-in-Parliament (which is a polite way of pretending that the monarch is still involved in legislation).



There is the quip what when it comes to dusty, centuries-old rights and prerogatives, the British monarch gets at most one try at overriding the elected government.






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  • "politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more" – but how might pro-republic MPs ever exist, if they had to swear allegiance to the monarch? Only by lying? And if the elected representatives didn't take their seats in the House of Commons, how might such a party ever win enough public support, given that the party's representatives would have no power in the HoC?

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  • Is a revolution the only way? If so, how can one justify calling the UK a democracy, if the only way to switch from monarchy to republic is by revolution?

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    @Martin, one can be a loyal servant of the crown and still accurately report the latest polls. In fact, pretending that all is right when all isn't right would be a lie.

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    @Martin, there are two options, really. Either your stringent reasoning has detected what Her Majesty's subjects fail to grasp or refuse to admit, that the UK is not a democracy. Or your flawed reasoning is missing a factor in the laws and traditions of the kingdom which means that it is a democracy after all (a de-facto constitutional monarchy with all relevant powers held by elected representatives). It isn't always the larger numbers who are right, but the numbers should give a wise man cause for reflection.

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There are lots of republican MPs (probably including the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition). Some of them have taken the Loyal Oath with their fingers crossed behind their backs.



At the moment, it's not worth campaigning for a republic because polls show that the public is overwhelmingly in favour of the monarchy. That could easily change when the Queen dies. At that point (if enough MPs were republican) they'd just invite the King to step down. If he declined, we would have a constitutional crisis (my guess is that he'd be told his "advisors" had advised him to step down, so he had).






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In recent years the constitutional settlement seems to be that significant changes to the constitution require a referendum.



Now even supposing that all MPs took the oath of allegiance entirely literally. There would be no breaking of this oath in legislation to enable a referendum on the abolition of the monarchy. The citizens swear no oath of loyalty and could vote in a referendum to create a monarchy without breaking any oath.



This all assumes a fiction: that the oath of allegiance would prevent MPs from doing anything. In reality, the Crown must do as it is instructed by Parliament. If Parliament says "There is no Monarch" then that is the law, there is no question that a republican Parliament would not act based only on the oath of allegiance. Don't forget that many of the founding fathers of the USA had, at one point or another, sworn allegiance to the King. If the politics require it, the oath is pretty meaningless.






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    Another revolution, obviously. They did that in 1688.



    Much more likely, they would politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more. If that is really the case, and not just a vocal minority, then after some polite back and forth the Queen would probably step down rather than fighting a civil war which she is unlikely to win.



    While many Brits will be true to their oath, consider the difference between the individual monarch, the Crown, and the Crown-in-Parliament (which is a polite way of pretending that the monarch is still involved in legislation).



    There is the quip what when it comes to dusty, centuries-old rights and prerogatives, the British monarch gets at most one try at overriding the elected government.






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    • "politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more" – but how might pro-republic MPs ever exist, if they had to swear allegiance to the monarch? Only by lying? And if the elected representatives didn't take their seats in the House of Commons, how might such a party ever win enough public support, given that the party's representatives would have no power in the HoC?

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    • Is a revolution the only way? If so, how can one justify calling the UK a democracy, if the only way to switch from monarchy to republic is by revolution?

      – Martin
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      @Martin, one can be a loyal servant of the crown and still accurately report the latest polls. In fact, pretending that all is right when all isn't right would be a lie.

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      @Martin, there are two options, really. Either your stringent reasoning has detected what Her Majesty's subjects fail to grasp or refuse to admit, that the UK is not a democracy. Or your flawed reasoning is missing a factor in the laws and traditions of the kingdom which means that it is a democracy after all (a de-facto constitutional monarchy with all relevant powers held by elected representatives). It isn't always the larger numbers who are right, but the numbers should give a wise man cause for reflection.

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    Another revolution, obviously. They did that in 1688.



    Much more likely, they would politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more. If that is really the case, and not just a vocal minority, then after some polite back and forth the Queen would probably step down rather than fighting a civil war which she is unlikely to win.



    While many Brits will be true to their oath, consider the difference between the individual monarch, the Crown, and the Crown-in-Parliament (which is a polite way of pretending that the monarch is still involved in legislation).



    There is the quip what when it comes to dusty, centuries-old rights and prerogatives, the British monarch gets at most one try at overriding the elected government.






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    • "The crown has a veto, the crown has one veto"

      – DonFusili
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    • "politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more" – but how might pro-republic MPs ever exist, if they had to swear allegiance to the monarch? Only by lying? And if the elected representatives didn't take their seats in the House of Commons, how might such a party ever win enough public support, given that the party's representatives would have no power in the HoC?

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    • Is a revolution the only way? If so, how can one justify calling the UK a democracy, if the only way to switch from monarchy to republic is by revolution?

      – Martin
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      @Martin, one can be a loyal servant of the crown and still accurately report the latest polls. In fact, pretending that all is right when all isn't right would be a lie.

      – o.m.
      9 hours ago






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      @Martin, there are two options, really. Either your stringent reasoning has detected what Her Majesty's subjects fail to grasp or refuse to admit, that the UK is not a democracy. Or your flawed reasoning is missing a factor in the laws and traditions of the kingdom which means that it is a democracy after all (a de-facto constitutional monarchy with all relevant powers held by elected representatives). It isn't always the larger numbers who are right, but the numbers should give a wise man cause for reflection.

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    Another revolution, obviously. They did that in 1688.



    Much more likely, they would politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more. If that is really the case, and not just a vocal minority, then after some polite back and forth the Queen would probably step down rather than fighting a civil war which she is unlikely to win.



    While many Brits will be true to their oath, consider the difference between the individual monarch, the Crown, and the Crown-in-Parliament (which is a polite way of pretending that the monarch is still involved in legislation).



    There is the quip what when it comes to dusty, centuries-old rights and prerogatives, the British monarch gets at most one try at overriding the elected government.






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    Another revolution, obviously. They did that in 1688.



    Much more likely, they would politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more. If that is really the case, and not just a vocal minority, then after some polite back and forth the Queen would probably step down rather than fighting a civil war which she is unlikely to win.



    While many Brits will be true to their oath, consider the difference between the individual monarch, the Crown, and the Crown-in-Parliament (which is a polite way of pretending that the monarch is still involved in legislation).



    There is the quip what when it comes to dusty, centuries-old rights and prerogatives, the British monarch gets at most one try at overriding the elected government.







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    • "The crown has a veto, the crown has one veto"

      – DonFusili
      9 hours ago











    • "politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more" – but how might pro-republic MPs ever exist, if they had to swear allegiance to the monarch? Only by lying? And if the elected representatives didn't take their seats in the House of Commons, how might such a party ever win enough public support, given that the party's representatives would have no power in the HoC?

      – Martin
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    • Is a revolution the only way? If so, how can one justify calling the UK a democracy, if the only way to switch from monarchy to republic is by revolution?

      – Martin
      9 hours ago






    • 1





      @Martin, one can be a loyal servant of the crown and still accurately report the latest polls. In fact, pretending that all is right when all isn't right would be a lie.

      – o.m.
      9 hours ago






    • 1





      @Martin, there are two options, really. Either your stringent reasoning has detected what Her Majesty's subjects fail to grasp or refuse to admit, that the UK is not a democracy. Or your flawed reasoning is missing a factor in the laws and traditions of the kingdom which means that it is a democracy after all (a de-facto constitutional monarchy with all relevant powers held by elected representatives). It isn't always the larger numbers who are right, but the numbers should give a wise man cause for reflection.

      – o.m.
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    • "The crown has a veto, the crown has one veto"

      – DonFusili
      9 hours ago











    • "politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more" – but how might pro-republic MPs ever exist, if they had to swear allegiance to the monarch? Only by lying? And if the elected representatives didn't take their seats in the House of Commons, how might such a party ever win enough public support, given that the party's representatives would have no power in the HoC?

      – Martin
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    • Is a revolution the only way? If so, how can one justify calling the UK a democracy, if the only way to switch from monarchy to republic is by revolution?

      – Martin
      9 hours ago






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      @Martin, one can be a loyal servant of the crown and still accurately report the latest polls. In fact, pretending that all is right when all isn't right would be a lie.

      – o.m.
      9 hours ago






    • 1





      @Martin, there are two options, really. Either your stringent reasoning has detected what Her Majesty's subjects fail to grasp or refuse to admit, that the UK is not a democracy. Or your flawed reasoning is missing a factor in the laws and traditions of the kingdom which means that it is a democracy after all (a de-facto constitutional monarchy with all relevant powers held by elected representatives). It isn't always the larger numbers who are right, but the numbers should give a wise man cause for reflection.

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    "The crown has a veto, the crown has one veto"

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    "The crown has a veto, the crown has one veto"

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    "politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more" – but how might pro-republic MPs ever exist, if they had to swear allegiance to the monarch? Only by lying? And if the elected representatives didn't take their seats in the House of Commons, how might such a party ever win enough public support, given that the party's representatives would have no power in the HoC?

    – Martin
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    "politely inform the Queen that the people don't seem to want a Queen any more" – but how might pro-republic MPs ever exist, if they had to swear allegiance to the monarch? Only by lying? And if the elected representatives didn't take their seats in the House of Commons, how might such a party ever win enough public support, given that the party's representatives would have no power in the HoC?

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    Is a revolution the only way? If so, how can one justify calling the UK a democracy, if the only way to switch from monarchy to republic is by revolution?

    – Martin
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    Is a revolution the only way? If so, how can one justify calling the UK a democracy, if the only way to switch from monarchy to republic is by revolution?

    – Martin
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    @Martin, one can be a loyal servant of the crown and still accurately report the latest polls. In fact, pretending that all is right when all isn't right would be a lie.

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    @Martin, one can be a loyal servant of the crown and still accurately report the latest polls. In fact, pretending that all is right when all isn't right would be a lie.

    – o.m.
    9 hours ago




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    @Martin, there are two options, really. Either your stringent reasoning has detected what Her Majesty's subjects fail to grasp or refuse to admit, that the UK is not a democracy. Or your flawed reasoning is missing a factor in the laws and traditions of the kingdom which means that it is a democracy after all (a de-facto constitutional monarchy with all relevant powers held by elected representatives). It isn't always the larger numbers who are right, but the numbers should give a wise man cause for reflection.

    – o.m.
    7 hours ago





    @Martin, there are two options, really. Either your stringent reasoning has detected what Her Majesty's subjects fail to grasp or refuse to admit, that the UK is not a democracy. Or your flawed reasoning is missing a factor in the laws and traditions of the kingdom which means that it is a democracy after all (a de-facto constitutional monarchy with all relevant powers held by elected representatives). It isn't always the larger numbers who are right, but the numbers should give a wise man cause for reflection.

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    There are lots of republican MPs (probably including the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition). Some of them have taken the Loyal Oath with their fingers crossed behind their backs.



    At the moment, it's not worth campaigning for a republic because polls show that the public is overwhelmingly in favour of the monarchy. That could easily change when the Queen dies. At that point (if enough MPs were republican) they'd just invite the King to step down. If he declined, we would have a constitutional crisis (my guess is that he'd be told his "advisors" had advised him to step down, so he had).






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    There are lots of republican MPs (probably including the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition). Some of them have taken the Loyal Oath with their fingers crossed behind their backs.



    At the moment, it's not worth campaigning for a republic because polls show that the public is overwhelmingly in favour of the monarchy. That could easily change when the Queen dies. At that point (if enough MPs were republican) they'd just invite the King to step down. If he declined, we would have a constitutional crisis (my guess is that he'd be told his "advisors" had advised him to step down, so he had).






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    There are lots of republican MPs (probably including the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition). Some of them have taken the Loyal Oath with their fingers crossed behind their backs.



    At the moment, it's not worth campaigning for a republic because polls show that the public is overwhelmingly in favour of the monarchy. That could easily change when the Queen dies. At that point (if enough MPs were republican) they'd just invite the King to step down. If he declined, we would have a constitutional crisis (my guess is that he'd be told his "advisors" had advised him to step down, so he had).






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    There are lots of republican MPs (probably including the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition). Some of them have taken the Loyal Oath with their fingers crossed behind their backs.



    At the moment, it's not worth campaigning for a republic because polls show that the public is overwhelmingly in favour of the monarchy. That could easily change when the Queen dies. At that point (if enough MPs were republican) they'd just invite the King to step down. If he declined, we would have a constitutional crisis (my guess is that he'd be told his "advisors" had advised him to step down, so he had).







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    • Thanks. I wasn't seeking to campaign for a republic.

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    Thanks. I wasn't seeking to campaign for a republic.

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    In recent years the constitutional settlement seems to be that significant changes to the constitution require a referendum.



    Now even supposing that all MPs took the oath of allegiance entirely literally. There would be no breaking of this oath in legislation to enable a referendum on the abolition of the monarchy. The citizens swear no oath of loyalty and could vote in a referendum to create a monarchy without breaking any oath.



    This all assumes a fiction: that the oath of allegiance would prevent MPs from doing anything. In reality, the Crown must do as it is instructed by Parliament. If Parliament says "There is no Monarch" then that is the law, there is no question that a republican Parliament would not act based only on the oath of allegiance. Don't forget that many of the founding fathers of the USA had, at one point or another, sworn allegiance to the King. If the politics require it, the oath is pretty meaningless.






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      In recent years the constitutional settlement seems to be that significant changes to the constitution require a referendum.



      Now even supposing that all MPs took the oath of allegiance entirely literally. There would be no breaking of this oath in legislation to enable a referendum on the abolition of the monarchy. The citizens swear no oath of loyalty and could vote in a referendum to create a monarchy without breaking any oath.



      This all assumes a fiction: that the oath of allegiance would prevent MPs from doing anything. In reality, the Crown must do as it is instructed by Parliament. If Parliament says "There is no Monarch" then that is the law, there is no question that a republican Parliament would not act based only on the oath of allegiance. Don't forget that many of the founding fathers of the USA had, at one point or another, sworn allegiance to the King. If the politics require it, the oath is pretty meaningless.






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        In recent years the constitutional settlement seems to be that significant changes to the constitution require a referendum.



        Now even supposing that all MPs took the oath of allegiance entirely literally. There would be no breaking of this oath in legislation to enable a referendum on the abolition of the monarchy. The citizens swear no oath of loyalty and could vote in a referendum to create a monarchy without breaking any oath.



        This all assumes a fiction: that the oath of allegiance would prevent MPs from doing anything. In reality, the Crown must do as it is instructed by Parliament. If Parliament says "There is no Monarch" then that is the law, there is no question that a republican Parliament would not act based only on the oath of allegiance. Don't forget that many of the founding fathers of the USA had, at one point or another, sworn allegiance to the King. If the politics require it, the oath is pretty meaningless.






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        In recent years the constitutional settlement seems to be that significant changes to the constitution require a referendum.



        Now even supposing that all MPs took the oath of allegiance entirely literally. There would be no breaking of this oath in legislation to enable a referendum on the abolition of the monarchy. The citizens swear no oath of loyalty and could vote in a referendum to create a monarchy without breaking any oath.



        This all assumes a fiction: that the oath of allegiance would prevent MPs from doing anything. In reality, the Crown must do as it is instructed by Parliament. If Parliament says "There is no Monarch" then that is the law, there is no question that a republican Parliament would not act based only on the oath of allegiance. Don't forget that many of the founding fathers of the USA had, at one point or another, sworn allegiance to the King. If the politics require it, the oath is pretty meaningless.







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