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In an IM, I just wrote:
Ich hab ihr halt eine unverfängliche Frage gestellt. Das ist alles! <schwitz>
I sometimes use "schwitz" like this -- in place of its corresponding emoticons: 😅, 💦, ^^; -- to express the idea of "breaking out in a nervous sweat".
I've always wondered why, even though it is the speaker him/herself, namely I in this case, who is sweating, you need to use the 2nd Person Singular Imperative "schwitz" instead of the seemingly more logical 1st Person Indicative "schwitze" or the 3rd Person "schwitzt"?
The same goes for the 2nd Person Singular Imperative "zwinker", which I use when I make a funny or ironic remark. In this case, too, why not use the 1st Person Indicative "zwinkere" or the 3rd Person "zwinkert" instead?
And the list goes on and on...
verbs conjugation
add a comment |
In an IM, I just wrote:
Ich hab ihr halt eine unverfängliche Frage gestellt. Das ist alles! <schwitz>
I sometimes use "schwitz" like this -- in place of its corresponding emoticons: 😅, 💦, ^^; -- to express the idea of "breaking out in a nervous sweat".
I've always wondered why, even though it is the speaker him/herself, namely I in this case, who is sweating, you need to use the 2nd Person Singular Imperative "schwitz" instead of the seemingly more logical 1st Person Indicative "schwitze" or the 3rd Person "schwitzt"?
The same goes for the 2nd Person Singular Imperative "zwinker", which I use when I make a funny or ironic remark. In this case, too, why not use the 1st Person Indicative "zwinkere" or the 3rd Person "zwinkert" instead?
And the list goes on and on...
verbs conjugation
3
Erikativ: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflektiv
– Carsten S
9 hours ago
2
Con-gras-tue-les-chiens: Bitte entschuldige, dass ich meine Nase in Dinge stecke, die mich eigentlich nichts angehen! reine Neugier... ich habe die von Dir gestellten Fragen durchgelesen und Du schreibst immer, dass Du im Gespräch das oder jenes gesagt hättest, was für mich ziemlich sophisticated für eine Konversation klingt, wie z. B. das hier „Da wähnt man sich als glorreicher Sieger und erliegt dann einer unerwarteten Verletzung“... Warum stellst Du dann Deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch? =)
– Serena
6 hours ago
4
@Serena Weil ich darin nicht viel Sinn sehe? Wenn es nur um mich ginge, dann würde ich das eher machen. Hier im Forum gibt es aber auch eine Menge Deutschlerner, denen dürfte es schwerfallen, sich einen ausschließlich deutschen Text durchzulesen. Übrigens, ob man meine Wortwahl für angemessen oder "ziemlich sophisticated" hält, hängt alles davon ab, mit wem ich mich unterhalte.
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
2
@Serena Note the difference in tone between: "Warum nicht deine Fragen auf Deutsch stellen?" as a suggestion vs "Warum stellst du dann deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch?" which can be taken as an accusing tone, totally at odds with your emoticon =)
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
add a comment |
In an IM, I just wrote:
Ich hab ihr halt eine unverfängliche Frage gestellt. Das ist alles! <schwitz>
I sometimes use "schwitz" like this -- in place of its corresponding emoticons: 😅, 💦, ^^; -- to express the idea of "breaking out in a nervous sweat".
I've always wondered why, even though it is the speaker him/herself, namely I in this case, who is sweating, you need to use the 2nd Person Singular Imperative "schwitz" instead of the seemingly more logical 1st Person Indicative "schwitze" or the 3rd Person "schwitzt"?
The same goes for the 2nd Person Singular Imperative "zwinker", which I use when I make a funny or ironic remark. In this case, too, why not use the 1st Person Indicative "zwinkere" or the 3rd Person "zwinkert" instead?
And the list goes on and on...
verbs conjugation
In an IM, I just wrote:
Ich hab ihr halt eine unverfängliche Frage gestellt. Das ist alles! <schwitz>
I sometimes use "schwitz" like this -- in place of its corresponding emoticons: 😅, 💦, ^^; -- to express the idea of "breaking out in a nervous sweat".
I've always wondered why, even though it is the speaker him/herself, namely I in this case, who is sweating, you need to use the 2nd Person Singular Imperative "schwitz" instead of the seemingly more logical 1st Person Indicative "schwitze" or the 3rd Person "schwitzt"?
The same goes for the 2nd Person Singular Imperative "zwinker", which I use when I make a funny or ironic remark. In this case, too, why not use the 1st Person Indicative "zwinkere" or the 3rd Person "zwinkert" instead?
And the list goes on and on...
verbs conjugation
verbs conjugation
edited 2 hours ago
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Erikativ: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflektiv
– Carsten S
9 hours ago
2
Con-gras-tue-les-chiens: Bitte entschuldige, dass ich meine Nase in Dinge stecke, die mich eigentlich nichts angehen! reine Neugier... ich habe die von Dir gestellten Fragen durchgelesen und Du schreibst immer, dass Du im Gespräch das oder jenes gesagt hättest, was für mich ziemlich sophisticated für eine Konversation klingt, wie z. B. das hier „Da wähnt man sich als glorreicher Sieger und erliegt dann einer unerwarteten Verletzung“... Warum stellst Du dann Deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch? =)
– Serena
6 hours ago
4
@Serena Weil ich darin nicht viel Sinn sehe? Wenn es nur um mich ginge, dann würde ich das eher machen. Hier im Forum gibt es aber auch eine Menge Deutschlerner, denen dürfte es schwerfallen, sich einen ausschließlich deutschen Text durchzulesen. Übrigens, ob man meine Wortwahl für angemessen oder "ziemlich sophisticated" hält, hängt alles davon ab, mit wem ich mich unterhalte.
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
2
@Serena Note the difference in tone between: "Warum nicht deine Fragen auf Deutsch stellen?" as a suggestion vs "Warum stellst du dann deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch?" which can be taken as an accusing tone, totally at odds with your emoticon =)
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
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3
Erikativ: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflektiv
– Carsten S
9 hours ago
2
Con-gras-tue-les-chiens: Bitte entschuldige, dass ich meine Nase in Dinge stecke, die mich eigentlich nichts angehen! reine Neugier... ich habe die von Dir gestellten Fragen durchgelesen und Du schreibst immer, dass Du im Gespräch das oder jenes gesagt hättest, was für mich ziemlich sophisticated für eine Konversation klingt, wie z. B. das hier „Da wähnt man sich als glorreicher Sieger und erliegt dann einer unerwarteten Verletzung“... Warum stellst Du dann Deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch? =)
– Serena
6 hours ago
4
@Serena Weil ich darin nicht viel Sinn sehe? Wenn es nur um mich ginge, dann würde ich das eher machen. Hier im Forum gibt es aber auch eine Menge Deutschlerner, denen dürfte es schwerfallen, sich einen ausschließlich deutschen Text durchzulesen. Übrigens, ob man meine Wortwahl für angemessen oder "ziemlich sophisticated" hält, hängt alles davon ab, mit wem ich mich unterhalte.
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
2
@Serena Note the difference in tone between: "Warum nicht deine Fragen auf Deutsch stellen?" as a suggestion vs "Warum stellst du dann deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch?" which can be taken as an accusing tone, totally at odds with your emoticon =)
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
3
3
Erikativ: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflektiv
– Carsten S
9 hours ago
Erikativ: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflektiv
– Carsten S
9 hours ago
2
2
Con-gras-tue-les-chiens: Bitte entschuldige, dass ich meine Nase in Dinge stecke, die mich eigentlich nichts angehen! reine Neugier... ich habe die von Dir gestellten Fragen durchgelesen und Du schreibst immer, dass Du im Gespräch das oder jenes gesagt hättest, was für mich ziemlich sophisticated für eine Konversation klingt, wie z. B. das hier „Da wähnt man sich als glorreicher Sieger und erliegt dann einer unerwarteten Verletzung“... Warum stellst Du dann Deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch? =)
– Serena
6 hours ago
Con-gras-tue-les-chiens: Bitte entschuldige, dass ich meine Nase in Dinge stecke, die mich eigentlich nichts angehen! reine Neugier... ich habe die von Dir gestellten Fragen durchgelesen und Du schreibst immer, dass Du im Gespräch das oder jenes gesagt hättest, was für mich ziemlich sophisticated für eine Konversation klingt, wie z. B. das hier „Da wähnt man sich als glorreicher Sieger und erliegt dann einer unerwarteten Verletzung“... Warum stellst Du dann Deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch? =)
– Serena
6 hours ago
4
4
@Serena Weil ich darin nicht viel Sinn sehe? Wenn es nur um mich ginge, dann würde ich das eher machen. Hier im Forum gibt es aber auch eine Menge Deutschlerner, denen dürfte es schwerfallen, sich einen ausschließlich deutschen Text durchzulesen. Übrigens, ob man meine Wortwahl für angemessen oder "ziemlich sophisticated" hält, hängt alles davon ab, mit wem ich mich unterhalte.
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
@Serena Weil ich darin nicht viel Sinn sehe? Wenn es nur um mich ginge, dann würde ich das eher machen. Hier im Forum gibt es aber auch eine Menge Deutschlerner, denen dürfte es schwerfallen, sich einen ausschließlich deutschen Text durchzulesen. Übrigens, ob man meine Wortwahl für angemessen oder "ziemlich sophisticated" hält, hängt alles davon ab, mit wem ich mich unterhalte.
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
2
2
@Serena Note the difference in tone between: "Warum nicht deine Fragen auf Deutsch stellen?" as a suggestion vs "Warum stellst du dann deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch?" which can be taken as an accusing tone, totally at odds with your emoticon =)
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
@Serena Note the difference in tone between: "Warum nicht deine Fragen auf Deutsch stellen?" as a suggestion vs "Warum stellst du dann deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch?" which can be taken as an accusing tone, totally at odds with your emoticon =)
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
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Not imperative:
Knutsch mich ab!
*abknutsch*
The form looks like an infinitive with the ending -en removed and has been given the jocular name Erikativ (after the woman who translated Disney comics into German, Erika Fuchs).
One difficulty when talking about this form is that its use has changed heavily over time. Wilhelm Busch is famous for using single words looking like Erikative to denote sounds:
Ratsch!!, Puff!!, Knacks!!, Schwapp!!, Ruff!! (source)
These words are supposed to have come about by way of onomatopoeia and have been classified as interjections. But note that Ratsch and Puff are also masculine nouns. Knacks has an ending -s that a few similar nouns have, e.g. Bums, Plumps, Knips, Rums. Of the quoted words, only ruff is a new coinage as far as I can tell.
The forms we encounter in modern-day electronic communication are different in that they are not limited to denoting sounds and can be extended into verb-like phrases:
*arbeit_wegleg* und […] jetzt beide daumen ganz fest drück!!! (source)
add a comment |
Indeed, as David Vogt writes, this is not the imperative form.
I am writing separately to address the question of why that particular form is used. I am not quite sure I follow David's suggestion here that the reason may be to "try to parallel the difference between to plus infinitive and a bare infinitive" because - at least for the most part (see below) - the inflective simply is the bare verb stem: abknutsch-, zwinker-, lauf-, trief-, stöhn- etc. This behaviour is preserved when complements are added (*traurigsei*, *schweißvonderstirnwisch* etc.).[1]
It should be added that a few particular verbs seem to behave differently, e.g. sein (also realised as *bin*) and, perhaps most importantly, wollen (which only occurs as *will*, never *woll*). However, it is generally believed that these first person singulars are replacement forms. The debate on why they are used has not been settled yet and there may be different reasons from case to case. (Teuber would point out, for example, that woll- is not productive anymore and therefore speakers perceive it as "wrong".)
[1] See Teuber, fasel beschreib erwähn – Der Inflektiv als Wortform des Deutschen, Germanistische Linguistik 141/142, 1998, 7-26; Hentschel/Vogel, Deutsche Morphologie, 2009.
I replaced that bit you commented on in your second paragraph by some new speculations.
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6 hours ago
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My prosaic approach to interpreting the
knutsch
renn
flenn
türzuschlag
form, introduced in D. Vogt's answer as correctly as jocularly as Erikative, would be:
This is actually simply the root of the verb.
See here:
knutsch/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
renn/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
flenn/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
zuschlag/-en, schlage zu, schlägst zu, schlägt zu, schlagen zu...
So this would be the rule for creating for new such expressions. In my opinion, it is productive.
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Not imperative:
Knutsch mich ab!
*abknutsch*
The form looks like an infinitive with the ending -en removed and has been given the jocular name Erikativ (after the woman who translated Disney comics into German, Erika Fuchs).
One difficulty when talking about this form is that its use has changed heavily over time. Wilhelm Busch is famous for using single words looking like Erikative to denote sounds:
Ratsch!!, Puff!!, Knacks!!, Schwapp!!, Ruff!! (source)
These words are supposed to have come about by way of onomatopoeia and have been classified as interjections. But note that Ratsch and Puff are also masculine nouns. Knacks has an ending -s that a few similar nouns have, e.g. Bums, Plumps, Knips, Rums. Of the quoted words, only ruff is a new coinage as far as I can tell.
The forms we encounter in modern-day electronic communication are different in that they are not limited to denoting sounds and can be extended into verb-like phrases:
*arbeit_wegleg* und […] jetzt beide daumen ganz fest drück!!! (source)
add a comment |
Not imperative:
Knutsch mich ab!
*abknutsch*
The form looks like an infinitive with the ending -en removed and has been given the jocular name Erikativ (after the woman who translated Disney comics into German, Erika Fuchs).
One difficulty when talking about this form is that its use has changed heavily over time. Wilhelm Busch is famous for using single words looking like Erikative to denote sounds:
Ratsch!!, Puff!!, Knacks!!, Schwapp!!, Ruff!! (source)
These words are supposed to have come about by way of onomatopoeia and have been classified as interjections. But note that Ratsch and Puff are also masculine nouns. Knacks has an ending -s that a few similar nouns have, e.g. Bums, Plumps, Knips, Rums. Of the quoted words, only ruff is a new coinage as far as I can tell.
The forms we encounter in modern-day electronic communication are different in that they are not limited to denoting sounds and can be extended into verb-like phrases:
*arbeit_wegleg* und […] jetzt beide daumen ganz fest drück!!! (source)
add a comment |
Not imperative:
Knutsch mich ab!
*abknutsch*
The form looks like an infinitive with the ending -en removed and has been given the jocular name Erikativ (after the woman who translated Disney comics into German, Erika Fuchs).
One difficulty when talking about this form is that its use has changed heavily over time. Wilhelm Busch is famous for using single words looking like Erikative to denote sounds:
Ratsch!!, Puff!!, Knacks!!, Schwapp!!, Ruff!! (source)
These words are supposed to have come about by way of onomatopoeia and have been classified as interjections. But note that Ratsch and Puff are also masculine nouns. Knacks has an ending -s that a few similar nouns have, e.g. Bums, Plumps, Knips, Rums. Of the quoted words, only ruff is a new coinage as far as I can tell.
The forms we encounter in modern-day electronic communication are different in that they are not limited to denoting sounds and can be extended into verb-like phrases:
*arbeit_wegleg* und […] jetzt beide daumen ganz fest drück!!! (source)
Not imperative:
Knutsch mich ab!
*abknutsch*
The form looks like an infinitive with the ending -en removed and has been given the jocular name Erikativ (after the woman who translated Disney comics into German, Erika Fuchs).
One difficulty when talking about this form is that its use has changed heavily over time. Wilhelm Busch is famous for using single words looking like Erikative to denote sounds:
Ratsch!!, Puff!!, Knacks!!, Schwapp!!, Ruff!! (source)
These words are supposed to have come about by way of onomatopoeia and have been classified as interjections. But note that Ratsch and Puff are also masculine nouns. Knacks has an ending -s that a few similar nouns have, e.g. Bums, Plumps, Knips, Rums. Of the quoted words, only ruff is a new coinage as far as I can tell.
The forms we encounter in modern-day electronic communication are different in that they are not limited to denoting sounds and can be extended into verb-like phrases:
*arbeit_wegleg* und […] jetzt beide daumen ganz fest drück!!! (source)
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Indeed, as David Vogt writes, this is not the imperative form.
I am writing separately to address the question of why that particular form is used. I am not quite sure I follow David's suggestion here that the reason may be to "try to parallel the difference between to plus infinitive and a bare infinitive" because - at least for the most part (see below) - the inflective simply is the bare verb stem: abknutsch-, zwinker-, lauf-, trief-, stöhn- etc. This behaviour is preserved when complements are added (*traurigsei*, *schweißvonderstirnwisch* etc.).[1]
It should be added that a few particular verbs seem to behave differently, e.g. sein (also realised as *bin*) and, perhaps most importantly, wollen (which only occurs as *will*, never *woll*). However, it is generally believed that these first person singulars are replacement forms. The debate on why they are used has not been settled yet and there may be different reasons from case to case. (Teuber would point out, for example, that woll- is not productive anymore and therefore speakers perceive it as "wrong".)
[1] See Teuber, fasel beschreib erwähn – Der Inflektiv als Wortform des Deutschen, Germanistische Linguistik 141/142, 1998, 7-26; Hentschel/Vogel, Deutsche Morphologie, 2009.
I replaced that bit you commented on in your second paragraph by some new speculations.
– David Vogt
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Indeed, as David Vogt writes, this is not the imperative form.
I am writing separately to address the question of why that particular form is used. I am not quite sure I follow David's suggestion here that the reason may be to "try to parallel the difference between to plus infinitive and a bare infinitive" because - at least for the most part (see below) - the inflective simply is the bare verb stem: abknutsch-, zwinker-, lauf-, trief-, stöhn- etc. This behaviour is preserved when complements are added (*traurigsei*, *schweißvonderstirnwisch* etc.).[1]
It should be added that a few particular verbs seem to behave differently, e.g. sein (also realised as *bin*) and, perhaps most importantly, wollen (which only occurs as *will*, never *woll*). However, it is generally believed that these first person singulars are replacement forms. The debate on why they are used has not been settled yet and there may be different reasons from case to case. (Teuber would point out, for example, that woll- is not productive anymore and therefore speakers perceive it as "wrong".)
[1] See Teuber, fasel beschreib erwähn – Der Inflektiv als Wortform des Deutschen, Germanistische Linguistik 141/142, 1998, 7-26; Hentschel/Vogel, Deutsche Morphologie, 2009.
I replaced that bit you commented on in your second paragraph by some new speculations.
– David Vogt
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Indeed, as David Vogt writes, this is not the imperative form.
I am writing separately to address the question of why that particular form is used. I am not quite sure I follow David's suggestion here that the reason may be to "try to parallel the difference between to plus infinitive and a bare infinitive" because - at least for the most part (see below) - the inflective simply is the bare verb stem: abknutsch-, zwinker-, lauf-, trief-, stöhn- etc. This behaviour is preserved when complements are added (*traurigsei*, *schweißvonderstirnwisch* etc.).[1]
It should be added that a few particular verbs seem to behave differently, e.g. sein (also realised as *bin*) and, perhaps most importantly, wollen (which only occurs as *will*, never *woll*). However, it is generally believed that these first person singulars are replacement forms. The debate on why they are used has not been settled yet and there may be different reasons from case to case. (Teuber would point out, for example, that woll- is not productive anymore and therefore speakers perceive it as "wrong".)
[1] See Teuber, fasel beschreib erwähn – Der Inflektiv als Wortform des Deutschen, Germanistische Linguistik 141/142, 1998, 7-26; Hentschel/Vogel, Deutsche Morphologie, 2009.
Indeed, as David Vogt writes, this is not the imperative form.
I am writing separately to address the question of why that particular form is used. I am not quite sure I follow David's suggestion here that the reason may be to "try to parallel the difference between to plus infinitive and a bare infinitive" because - at least for the most part (see below) - the inflective simply is the bare verb stem: abknutsch-, zwinker-, lauf-, trief-, stöhn- etc. This behaviour is preserved when complements are added (*traurigsei*, *schweißvonderstirnwisch* etc.).[1]
It should be added that a few particular verbs seem to behave differently, e.g. sein (also realised as *bin*) and, perhaps most importantly, wollen (which only occurs as *will*, never *woll*). However, it is generally believed that these first person singulars are replacement forms. The debate on why they are used has not been settled yet and there may be different reasons from case to case. (Teuber would point out, for example, that woll- is not productive anymore and therefore speakers perceive it as "wrong".)
[1] See Teuber, fasel beschreib erwähn – Der Inflektiv als Wortform des Deutschen, Germanistische Linguistik 141/142, 1998, 7-26; Hentschel/Vogel, Deutsche Morphologie, 2009.
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I replaced that bit you commented on in your second paragraph by some new speculations.
– David Vogt
6 hours ago
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I replaced that bit you commented on in your second paragraph by some new speculations.
– David Vogt
6 hours ago
I replaced that bit you commented on in your second paragraph by some new speculations.
– David Vogt
6 hours ago
I replaced that bit you commented on in your second paragraph by some new speculations.
– David Vogt
6 hours ago
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My prosaic approach to interpreting the
knutsch
renn
flenn
türzuschlag
form, introduced in D. Vogt's answer as correctly as jocularly as Erikative, would be:
This is actually simply the root of the verb.
See here:
knutsch/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
renn/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
flenn/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
zuschlag/-en, schlage zu, schlägst zu, schlägt zu, schlagen zu...
So this would be the rule for creating for new such expressions. In my opinion, it is productive.
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My prosaic approach to interpreting the
knutsch
renn
flenn
türzuschlag
form, introduced in D. Vogt's answer as correctly as jocularly as Erikative, would be:
This is actually simply the root of the verb.
See here:
knutsch/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
renn/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
flenn/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
zuschlag/-en, schlage zu, schlägst zu, schlägt zu, schlagen zu...
So this would be the rule for creating for new such expressions. In my opinion, it is productive.
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My prosaic approach to interpreting the
knutsch
renn
flenn
türzuschlag
form, introduced in D. Vogt's answer as correctly as jocularly as Erikative, would be:
This is actually simply the root of the verb.
See here:
knutsch/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
renn/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
flenn/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
zuschlag/-en, schlage zu, schlägst zu, schlägt zu, schlagen zu...
So this would be the rule for creating for new such expressions. In my opinion, it is productive.
My prosaic approach to interpreting the
knutsch
renn
flenn
türzuschlag
form, introduced in D. Vogt's answer as correctly as jocularly as Erikative, would be:
This is actually simply the root of the verb.
See here:
knutsch/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
renn/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
flenn/-en/-e/-st/-t/-en/-en/-en
zuschlag/-en, schlage zu, schlägst zu, schlägt zu, schlagen zu...
So this would be the rule for creating for new such expressions. In my opinion, it is productive.
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Erikativ: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflektiv
– Carsten S
9 hours ago
2
Con-gras-tue-les-chiens: Bitte entschuldige, dass ich meine Nase in Dinge stecke, die mich eigentlich nichts angehen! reine Neugier... ich habe die von Dir gestellten Fragen durchgelesen und Du schreibst immer, dass Du im Gespräch das oder jenes gesagt hättest, was für mich ziemlich sophisticated für eine Konversation klingt, wie z. B. das hier „Da wähnt man sich als glorreicher Sieger und erliegt dann einer unerwarteten Verletzung“... Warum stellst Du dann Deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch? =)
– Serena
6 hours ago
4
@Serena Weil ich darin nicht viel Sinn sehe? Wenn es nur um mich ginge, dann würde ich das eher machen. Hier im Forum gibt es aber auch eine Menge Deutschlerner, denen dürfte es schwerfallen, sich einen ausschließlich deutschen Text durchzulesen. Übrigens, ob man meine Wortwahl für angemessen oder "ziemlich sophisticated" hält, hängt alles davon ab, mit wem ich mich unterhalte.
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago
2
@Serena Note the difference in tone between: "Warum nicht deine Fragen auf Deutsch stellen?" as a suggestion vs "Warum stellst du dann deine Fragen nicht auf Deutsch?" which can be taken as an accusing tone, totally at odds with your emoticon =)
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
3 hours ago