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Why was this commercial plane highly delayed mid-flight?
What happens if a passenger dies mid-flight?Could improper deplaning of a flight with full fuel tanks cause the plane to tip?What was the commercial speed of Concorde?Was a 7300-mile non-stop flight possible in 1979?What is the business purpose of scheduling two separate flights on the very same route with 5-10 minutes separation?Why did flight NH175 divert back to Los Angeles?What is the shortest regularly scheduled commercial flight?Is the seat-belt sign activation when a pilot goes to the lavatory standard procedure?
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What could be the main reasons for a short-haul flight to be delayed over an hour in-flight?
Recent Lufthansa LH 2227 CDG-MUC flight took off only half an hour after scheduled time, but landed at destination delayed nearly an hour and a half.
Meaning (if I am reading these stats correctly) that this particular flight spend an hour extra in the air over scheduled time. I begin to question if there is enough fuel for the plane to stay that long extra?
I flew the very same flight few days ago and that flight also took of half an hours after schedule and landed fifteen minutes after schedule. Meaning that a plane manage to "work out" half of its delay en route. This particular, pictured flight not only didn't work out its initial delay, but also added another hour to it while being in air.
I was always told (and saw that in my small commercial flying experience) that
- short- or middle-haul flights delayed 15-30 minutes on take-off,
- long-haul flight delayed 60-90 minutes on take-off,
are nearly always able to land on-time, effectively "working out" their initial delay during flight, by flying faster etc. What happened or could happen here?
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What could be the main reasons for a short-haul flight to be delayed over an hour in-flight?
Recent Lufthansa LH 2227 CDG-MUC flight took off only half an hour after scheduled time, but landed at destination delayed nearly an hour and a half.
Meaning (if I am reading these stats correctly) that this particular flight spend an hour extra in the air over scheduled time. I begin to question if there is enough fuel for the plane to stay that long extra?
I flew the very same flight few days ago and that flight also took of half an hours after schedule and landed fifteen minutes after schedule. Meaning that a plane manage to "work out" half of its delay en route. This particular, pictured flight not only didn't work out its initial delay, but also added another hour to it while being in air.
I was always told (and saw that in my small commercial flying experience) that
- short- or middle-haul flights delayed 15-30 minutes on take-off,
- long-haul flight delayed 60-90 minutes on take-off,
are nearly always able to land on-time, effectively "working out" their initial delay during flight, by flying faster etc. What happened or could happen here?
airline-operations commercial-operations
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Don't forget departure is from the gate and arrival is again at the gate. Take off half an hour after departure is pretty much right on schedule for large airports. It also can't fly much faster to catch up with a delay—there is simply quite a lot of buffer in the schedule.
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What could be the main reasons for a short-haul flight to be delayed over an hour in-flight?
Recent Lufthansa LH 2227 CDG-MUC flight took off only half an hour after scheduled time, but landed at destination delayed nearly an hour and a half.
Meaning (if I am reading these stats correctly) that this particular flight spend an hour extra in the air over scheduled time. I begin to question if there is enough fuel for the plane to stay that long extra?
I flew the very same flight few days ago and that flight also took of half an hours after schedule and landed fifteen minutes after schedule. Meaning that a plane manage to "work out" half of its delay en route. This particular, pictured flight not only didn't work out its initial delay, but also added another hour to it while being in air.
I was always told (and saw that in my small commercial flying experience) that
- short- or middle-haul flights delayed 15-30 minutes on take-off,
- long-haul flight delayed 60-90 minutes on take-off,
are nearly always able to land on-time, effectively "working out" their initial delay during flight, by flying faster etc. What happened or could happen here?
airline-operations commercial-operations
edited 3 hours ago
Sean
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What could be the main reasons for a short-haul flight to be delayed over an hour in-flight?
Recent Lufthansa LH 2227 CDG-MUC flight took off only half an hour after scheduled time, but landed at destination delayed nearly an hour and a half.
Meaning (if I am reading these stats correctly) that this particular flight spend an hour extra in the air over scheduled time. I begin to question if there is enough fuel for the plane to stay that long extra?
I flew the very same flight few days ago and that flight also took of half an hours after schedule and landed fifteen minutes after schedule. Meaning that a plane manage to "work out" half of its delay en route. This particular, pictured flight not only didn't work out its initial delay, but also added another hour to it while being in air.
I was always told (and saw that in my small commercial flying experience) that
- short- or middle-haul flights delayed 15-30 minutes on take-off,
- long-haul flight delayed 60-90 minutes on take-off,
are nearly always able to land on-time, effectively "working out" their initial delay during flight, by flying faster etc. What happened or could happen here?
airline-operations commercial-operations
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Don't forget departure is from the gate and arrival is again at the gate. Take off half an hour after departure is pretty much right on schedule for large airports. It also can't fly much faster to catch up with a delay—there is simply quite a lot of buffer in the schedule.
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– Jan Hudec
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Don't forget departure is from the gate and arrival is again at the gate. Take off half an hour after departure is pretty much right on schedule for large airports. It also can't fly much faster to catch up with a delay—there is simply quite a lot of buffer in the schedule.
$endgroup$
– Jan Hudec
3 hours ago
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Don't forget departure is from the gate and arrival is again at the gate. Take off half an hour after departure is pretty much right on schedule for large airports. It also can't fly much faster to catch up with a delay—there is simply quite a lot of buffer in the schedule.
$endgroup$
– Jan Hudec
3 hours ago
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Don't forget departure is from the gate and arrival is again at the gate. Take off half an hour after departure is pretty much right on schedule for large airports. It also can't fly much faster to catch up with a delay—there is simply quite a lot of buffer in the schedule.
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Munich was closed for a short time due to a security breach
The airport tweeted: “According to the information currently available, a person has probably entered the clean area of Terminal 2 through an emergency exit door from the unclean area.
“As a result, police measures are currently in progress.”
Terminal 2 is the home of Lufthansa, which operates hundreds of flights through Munich each day.
And this is likely the main kicker for this flight
While arriving flights are currently being allowed to land, the airfield is filling quickly and diversions may soon begin.
The plane probably circled as long as fuel margins would allow, rather than sit on the ground in a long line.
answered 9 hours ago
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It might have sat on the ground—the aircraft is only considered arrived when it stops at the gate and shuts down.
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If you look at the details, you’ll see the aircraft left the gate at 9:37, but only took off at 10:47.
They probably received notice of the issue in MUC pointed out by Machavity while taxiing to the runway (and then asked to park somewhere waiting for the airport to be ready for them). No sense returning to the gate for a delay like this which is expected to be relatively short.
A possible alternative (though probably not here) is they they had an issue right after gate departure which triggered a maintenance request. It happened to me once on some regional airliner which had an issue just when they spooled up the engines (or just after a few meters, don’t remember). Immediately powered down and had some part of the engine changed (or maybe just a filter or something similar) while we were waiting, took about an hour or so.
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Munich was closed for a short time due to a security breach
The airport tweeted: “According to the information currently available, a person has probably entered the clean area of Terminal 2 through an emergency exit door from the unclean area.
“As a result, police measures are currently in progress.”
Terminal 2 is the home of Lufthansa, which operates hundreds of flights through Munich each day.
And this is likely the main kicker for this flight
While arriving flights are currently being allowed to land, the airfield is filling quickly and diversions may soon begin.
The plane probably circled as long as fuel margins would allow, rather than sit on the ground in a long line.
answered 9 hours ago
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It might have sat on the ground—the aircraft is only considered arrived when it stops at the gate and shuts down.
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– Jan Hudec
3 hours ago
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$begingroup$
Munich was closed for a short time due to a security breach
The airport tweeted: “According to the information currently available, a person has probably entered the clean area of Terminal 2 through an emergency exit door from the unclean area.
“As a result, police measures are currently in progress.”
Terminal 2 is the home of Lufthansa, which operates hundreds of flights through Munich each day.
And this is likely the main kicker for this flight
While arriving flights are currently being allowed to land, the airfield is filling quickly and diversions may soon begin.
The plane probably circled as long as fuel margins would allow, rather than sit on the ground in a long line.
answered 9 hours ago
MachavityMachavity
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It might have sat on the ground—the aircraft is only considered arrived when it stops at the gate and shuts down.
$endgroup$
– Jan Hudec
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Munich was closed for a short time due to a security breach
The airport tweeted: “According to the information currently available, a person has probably entered the clean area of Terminal 2 through an emergency exit door from the unclean area.
“As a result, police measures are currently in progress.”
Terminal 2 is the home of Lufthansa, which operates hundreds of flights through Munich each day.
And this is likely the main kicker for this flight
While arriving flights are currently being allowed to land, the airfield is filling quickly and diversions may soon begin.
The plane probably circled as long as fuel margins would allow, rather than sit on the ground in a long line.
answered 9 hours ago
MachavityMachavity
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$endgroup$
Munich was closed for a short time due to a security breach
The airport tweeted: “According to the information currently available, a person has probably entered the clean area of Terminal 2 through an emergency exit door from the unclean area.
“As a result, police measures are currently in progress.”
Terminal 2 is the home of Lufthansa, which operates hundreds of flights through Munich each day.
And this is likely the main kicker for this flight
While arriving flights are currently being allowed to land, the airfield is filling quickly and diversions may soon begin.
The plane probably circled as long as fuel margins would allow, rather than sit on the ground in a long line.
answered 9 hours ago
MachavityMachavity
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answered 9 hours ago
MachavityMachavity
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answered 9 hours ago
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answered 9 hours ago
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It might have sat on the ground—the aircraft is only considered arrived when it stops at the gate and shuts down.
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– Jan Hudec
3 hours ago
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2
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It might have sat on the ground—the aircraft is only considered arrived when it stops at the gate and shuts down.
$endgroup$
– Jan Hudec
3 hours ago
2
2
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It might have sat on the ground—the aircraft is only considered arrived when it stops at the gate and shuts down.
$endgroup$
– Jan Hudec
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
It might have sat on the ground—the aircraft is only considered arrived when it stops at the gate and shuts down.
$endgroup$
– Jan Hudec
3 hours ago
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If you look at the details, you’ll see the aircraft left the gate at 9:37, but only took off at 10:47.
They probably received notice of the issue in MUC pointed out by Machavity while taxiing to the runway (and then asked to park somewhere waiting for the airport to be ready for them). No sense returning to the gate for a delay like this which is expected to be relatively short.
A possible alternative (though probably not here) is they they had an issue right after gate departure which triggered a maintenance request. It happened to me once on some regional airliner which had an issue just when they spooled up the engines (or just after a few meters, don’t remember). Immediately powered down and had some part of the engine changed (or maybe just a filter or something similar) while we were waiting, took about an hour or so.
answered 57 mins ago
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If you look at the details, you’ll see the aircraft left the gate at 9:37, but only took off at 10:47.
They probably received notice of the issue in MUC pointed out by Machavity while taxiing to the runway (and then asked to park somewhere waiting for the airport to be ready for them). No sense returning to the gate for a delay like this which is expected to be relatively short.
A possible alternative (though probably not here) is they they had an issue right after gate departure which triggered a maintenance request. It happened to me once on some regional airliner which had an issue just when they spooled up the engines (or just after a few meters, don’t remember). Immediately powered down and had some part of the engine changed (or maybe just a filter or something similar) while we were waiting, took about an hour or so.
answered 57 mins ago
jcaronjcaron
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$begingroup$
If you look at the details, you’ll see the aircraft left the gate at 9:37, but only took off at 10:47.
They probably received notice of the issue in MUC pointed out by Machavity while taxiing to the runway (and then asked to park somewhere waiting for the airport to be ready for them). No sense returning to the gate for a delay like this which is expected to be relatively short.
A possible alternative (though probably not here) is they they had an issue right after gate departure which triggered a maintenance request. It happened to me once on some regional airliner which had an issue just when they spooled up the engines (or just after a few meters, don’t remember). Immediately powered down and had some part of the engine changed (or maybe just a filter or something similar) while we were waiting, took about an hour or so.
answered 57 mins ago
jcaronjcaron
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$endgroup$
If you look at the details, you’ll see the aircraft left the gate at 9:37, but only took off at 10:47.
They probably received notice of the issue in MUC pointed out by Machavity while taxiing to the runway (and then asked to park somewhere waiting for the airport to be ready for them). No sense returning to the gate for a delay like this which is expected to be relatively short.
A possible alternative (though probably not here) is they they had an issue right after gate departure which triggered a maintenance request. It happened to me once on some regional airliner which had an issue just when they spooled up the engines (or just after a few meters, don’t remember). Immediately powered down and had some part of the engine changed (or maybe just a filter or something similar) while we were waiting, took about an hour or so.
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answered 57 mins ago
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answered 57 mins ago
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– Jan Hudec
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