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Is there an in-universe explanation given to the senior Imperial Navy Officers as to why Darth Vader serves Emperor Palpatine?


Why would the Force become so mysterious and unrecognized after only 20 years?Why didn't Palpatine publicly change his name once he became Emperor?Was Vader's true identity a secret?Did the 501st Legion know what Anakin had become when they attacked the Jedi Temple with him?Did the Rebellion know that the Emperor was the Sith Lord Darth Sidious?How did Grand Moff Tarkin Feel About Darth Sidious?Did Mas Amedda Know Palpatine was a Sith Lord?Who exactly knew that Chancellor Palpatine was Darth Sidious?How are people not aware that Palpatine is a Sith/Force Person?How did the Emperor punish Darth Vader?Why didn't the Grand Army of the Republic overthrow Palpatine when he announced the Empire?Why did Palpatine care about Anakin Skywalker in the Prequels given Palpatine's pretty good Force Vision?Why didn't Emperor Palpatine use a lightsaber to prevent his fall into the pit?Do the Imperials know they are evil?Chronologically, when does the Death Star scene of Revenge of the Sith take place?When did Emperor Palpatine first reveal the post-Mustafar Darth Vader?Why didn't the Emperor and Vader learn from the encounter with Ahsoka?






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Answers can be from Canon or Legends.




TL;DR: How do the senior Imperial Navy Officers with experience in the Clone Wars account for why a powerful force-using 'baddie' like Vader not only does not overthrow, but faithfully serves an apparently non-force-using human politician in the form of Emperor Palpatine?




Long Question



I was re-watching ROTJ, specifically the scene where Vader arrives at the second Death Star and is speaking with Imperial Moff Tiaan Jerjerrod, when the following exchange took place:




JERJERROD: Lord Vader, this is an unexpected pleasure. We're honored by your presence.



VADER: You may dispense with the pleasantries, Commander. I'm here to put you back on schedule.



JERJERROD: I assure you, Lord Vader, my men are working as fast as they can.



VADER: Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate them.



JERJERROD: I tell you, this station will be operational as planned.



VADER: The Emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.



JERJERROD: But he asks the impossible. I need more men.



VADER: Then perhaps you can tell him when he arrives.



JERJERROD: (Terrified) The Emperor's coming here?



VADER: That is correct, Commander. And he is most displeased with your apparent lack of progress.



JERJERROD: We shall double our efforts.



VADER: I hope so, Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.



JERJERROD: (Big gulp)




When Jerjerrod finds out that the Emperor is coming for an inspection he seems very afraid by that fact, more afraid (and as is implied by Vader's comment that the Emperor is less forgiving than Vader is) than he is of Vader himself.



This led me to wonder why this would actually be since, according to this question and this question, very few people know that Emperor Palpatine is a force-user, much less a Sith (NB1). While thinking about this, I also considered several points about the Palpatine/Vader relationship:



a) While many in the galaxy at large didn't really know about the Jedi, the Imperial Navy was full of officers who served in the Clone Wars and thus would have either seen, met, or at least heard about the Jedi and their use of the force.



b) Vader never hid his use of the force from his officers or his victims, and yet Palpatine was very careful to limit his use of the force infront of others, or to kill those who saw him doing it.



c) According to the official storyline that the Empire released, the Jedi tried to overthrow the Republic and attacked Palpatine in the process, but the GAR saved Palpatine and he ordered them to wipe out the Jedi.



d) The Imperial Officers who served in the Clone Wars(NB2), whether they believed that story or not, especially the more senior ones who would have read field reports or worked in intelligence and so on, would not only have known about the Jedi and their use of the force, but would have known the difference between a 'good' force user like Obi-wan or Yoda, and a 'bad' force user like Count Dooku or Asajj Ventress.



e) The 'bad' force users these Imperial Officers would have encountered during the Clone Wars engaged in horrific war crimes, did everything they could to gain/increase/hold power, and used any level of violence required to get what they want, whereas the 'good' force users eschewed violence as much as possible, didn't harm others unless necessary, and didn't seek out power. Of course these are generalizations, but I believe they are borne out by TCW tv series.



f) Thus, these senior military officers are unlikely to have mistaken Vader for being a 'good' force user, whether or not they knew about the Sith, or what they thought Vader's backstory actually was.



When you put the previous six points together, the picture it seems to paint is that the higher echelons of the Imperial Navy either knew, thought, or were told that the Jedi were the bad guys, that the Jedi had been (mostly) destroyed, that the Emperor was just a normal non-force-using human politician, and that he was served by an incredibly powerful force-using non-Jedi. And yet at least some of them seemed to fear the Emperor more than Vader.



I can understand the argument that if someone as powerful as Vader served the Emperor, the Emperor must be even more powerful, but if these Imperial Officers had direct experience of 'bad' force users doing everything they could to get as much power as possible, what is the in-universe explanation to the senior military officers as to why Vader not only doesn't overthrow the Emperor and rule in his stead, but serves the Emperor so absolutely, considering the fact that they know Vader is a force-user (and one who uses the force in a way very similar to how the 'bad' force-users used to), and do not know/believe that Palpatine is?




NB1: See also this discussion, this discussion, and this discussion for more about who knew that Palpatine was a force-user/Sith.



NB2: Please note that I am not asking about Tarkin or Thrawn here, but the senior Imperial Navy Officers in general, particularly those that served in the Clone Wars.










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    as to Jerjerrod, whether or not the supreme leader of your despotic government can choke you from across the room, he can still boot you out the air lock if he's dissatisfied

    – NKCampbell
    8 hours ago







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    Vader is well known as the Emperor's enforcer. There's no obvious reason to assume that just because Vader is a Force user that he'd necessarily have the desire to take over the galaxy by killing the Emperor, nor would anyone particularly follow him (as the new leader) if he did so. Rasputin could have killed the Emperor, but that wouldn't have made him Tsar.

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    8 hours ago












  • @Valorum Would officers with experience with Dooku/Ventress really believe that though? If Vader shares Palpatine's goals and he acts in a way very similar to how Dooku/Ventress behaved then why is it more reasonable that he'd serve Palpatine rather than just overthrow him and implement his system himself. Who was actually going to fight back against him, especially once the Empire was fully developed (after say 5 or 10 years), or if he didn't feel that they would follow him, is the implication that they thought Palpatine was just a puppet for Vader?

    – Phyneas
    8 hours ago











  • @Phyneas - Vader is a classic henchman. His entire power-base comes from his involvement with the Emperor, not because he has any specific rank.

    – Valorum
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Very nice question, @Phyneas!! I was really engaged reading that.

    – MissouriSpartan
    6 hours ago


















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Answers can be from Canon or Legends.




TL;DR: How do the senior Imperial Navy Officers with experience in the Clone Wars account for why a powerful force-using 'baddie' like Vader not only does not overthrow, but faithfully serves an apparently non-force-using human politician in the form of Emperor Palpatine?




Long Question



I was re-watching ROTJ, specifically the scene where Vader arrives at the second Death Star and is speaking with Imperial Moff Tiaan Jerjerrod, when the following exchange took place:




JERJERROD: Lord Vader, this is an unexpected pleasure. We're honored by your presence.



VADER: You may dispense with the pleasantries, Commander. I'm here to put you back on schedule.



JERJERROD: I assure you, Lord Vader, my men are working as fast as they can.



VADER: Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate them.



JERJERROD: I tell you, this station will be operational as planned.



VADER: The Emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.



JERJERROD: But he asks the impossible. I need more men.



VADER: Then perhaps you can tell him when he arrives.



JERJERROD: (Terrified) The Emperor's coming here?



VADER: That is correct, Commander. And he is most displeased with your apparent lack of progress.



JERJERROD: We shall double our efforts.



VADER: I hope so, Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.



JERJERROD: (Big gulp)




When Jerjerrod finds out that the Emperor is coming for an inspection he seems very afraid by that fact, more afraid (and as is implied by Vader's comment that the Emperor is less forgiving than Vader is) than he is of Vader himself.



This led me to wonder why this would actually be since, according to this question and this question, very few people know that Emperor Palpatine is a force-user, much less a Sith (NB1). While thinking about this, I also considered several points about the Palpatine/Vader relationship:



a) While many in the galaxy at large didn't really know about the Jedi, the Imperial Navy was full of officers who served in the Clone Wars and thus would have either seen, met, or at least heard about the Jedi and their use of the force.



b) Vader never hid his use of the force from his officers or his victims, and yet Palpatine was very careful to limit his use of the force infront of others, or to kill those who saw him doing it.



c) According to the official storyline that the Empire released, the Jedi tried to overthrow the Republic and attacked Palpatine in the process, but the GAR saved Palpatine and he ordered them to wipe out the Jedi.



d) The Imperial Officers who served in the Clone Wars(NB2), whether they believed that story or not, especially the more senior ones who would have read field reports or worked in intelligence and so on, would not only have known about the Jedi and their use of the force, but would have known the difference between a 'good' force user like Obi-wan or Yoda, and a 'bad' force user like Count Dooku or Asajj Ventress.



e) The 'bad' force users these Imperial Officers would have encountered during the Clone Wars engaged in horrific war crimes, did everything they could to gain/increase/hold power, and used any level of violence required to get what they want, whereas the 'good' force users eschewed violence as much as possible, didn't harm others unless necessary, and didn't seek out power. Of course these are generalizations, but I believe they are borne out by TCW tv series.



f) Thus, these senior military officers are unlikely to have mistaken Vader for being a 'good' force user, whether or not they knew about the Sith, or what they thought Vader's backstory actually was.



When you put the previous six points together, the picture it seems to paint is that the higher echelons of the Imperial Navy either knew, thought, or were told that the Jedi were the bad guys, that the Jedi had been (mostly) destroyed, that the Emperor was just a normal non-force-using human politician, and that he was served by an incredibly powerful force-using non-Jedi. And yet at least some of them seemed to fear the Emperor more than Vader.



I can understand the argument that if someone as powerful as Vader served the Emperor, the Emperor must be even more powerful, but if these Imperial Officers had direct experience of 'bad' force users doing everything they could to get as much power as possible, what is the in-universe explanation to the senior military officers as to why Vader not only doesn't overthrow the Emperor and rule in his stead, but serves the Emperor so absolutely, considering the fact that they know Vader is a force-user (and one who uses the force in a way very similar to how the 'bad' force-users used to), and do not know/believe that Palpatine is?




NB1: See also this discussion, this discussion, and this discussion for more about who knew that Palpatine was a force-user/Sith.



NB2: Please note that I am not asking about Tarkin or Thrawn here, but the senior Imperial Navy Officers in general, particularly those that served in the Clone Wars.










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  • 1





    as to Jerjerrod, whether or not the supreme leader of your despotic government can choke you from across the room, he can still boot you out the air lock if he's dissatisfied

    – NKCampbell
    8 hours ago







  • 5





    Vader is well known as the Emperor's enforcer. There's no obvious reason to assume that just because Vader is a Force user that he'd necessarily have the desire to take over the galaxy by killing the Emperor, nor would anyone particularly follow him (as the new leader) if he did so. Rasputin could have killed the Emperor, but that wouldn't have made him Tsar.

    – Valorum
    8 hours ago












  • @Valorum Would officers with experience with Dooku/Ventress really believe that though? If Vader shares Palpatine's goals and he acts in a way very similar to how Dooku/Ventress behaved then why is it more reasonable that he'd serve Palpatine rather than just overthrow him and implement his system himself. Who was actually going to fight back against him, especially once the Empire was fully developed (after say 5 or 10 years), or if he didn't feel that they would follow him, is the implication that they thought Palpatine was just a puppet for Vader?

    – Phyneas
    8 hours ago











  • @Phyneas - Vader is a classic henchman. His entire power-base comes from his involvement with the Emperor, not because he has any specific rank.

    – Valorum
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Very nice question, @Phyneas!! I was really engaged reading that.

    – MissouriSpartan
    6 hours ago














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Answers can be from Canon or Legends.




TL;DR: How do the senior Imperial Navy Officers with experience in the Clone Wars account for why a powerful force-using 'baddie' like Vader not only does not overthrow, but faithfully serves an apparently non-force-using human politician in the form of Emperor Palpatine?




Long Question



I was re-watching ROTJ, specifically the scene where Vader arrives at the second Death Star and is speaking with Imperial Moff Tiaan Jerjerrod, when the following exchange took place:




JERJERROD: Lord Vader, this is an unexpected pleasure. We're honored by your presence.



VADER: You may dispense with the pleasantries, Commander. I'm here to put you back on schedule.



JERJERROD: I assure you, Lord Vader, my men are working as fast as they can.



VADER: Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate them.



JERJERROD: I tell you, this station will be operational as planned.



VADER: The Emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.



JERJERROD: But he asks the impossible. I need more men.



VADER: Then perhaps you can tell him when he arrives.



JERJERROD: (Terrified) The Emperor's coming here?



VADER: That is correct, Commander. And he is most displeased with your apparent lack of progress.



JERJERROD: We shall double our efforts.



VADER: I hope so, Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.



JERJERROD: (Big gulp)




When Jerjerrod finds out that the Emperor is coming for an inspection he seems very afraid by that fact, more afraid (and as is implied by Vader's comment that the Emperor is less forgiving than Vader is) than he is of Vader himself.



This led me to wonder why this would actually be since, according to this question and this question, very few people know that Emperor Palpatine is a force-user, much less a Sith (NB1). While thinking about this, I also considered several points about the Palpatine/Vader relationship:



a) While many in the galaxy at large didn't really know about the Jedi, the Imperial Navy was full of officers who served in the Clone Wars and thus would have either seen, met, or at least heard about the Jedi and their use of the force.



b) Vader never hid his use of the force from his officers or his victims, and yet Palpatine was very careful to limit his use of the force infront of others, or to kill those who saw him doing it.



c) According to the official storyline that the Empire released, the Jedi tried to overthrow the Republic and attacked Palpatine in the process, but the GAR saved Palpatine and he ordered them to wipe out the Jedi.



d) The Imperial Officers who served in the Clone Wars(NB2), whether they believed that story or not, especially the more senior ones who would have read field reports or worked in intelligence and so on, would not only have known about the Jedi and their use of the force, but would have known the difference between a 'good' force user like Obi-wan or Yoda, and a 'bad' force user like Count Dooku or Asajj Ventress.



e) The 'bad' force users these Imperial Officers would have encountered during the Clone Wars engaged in horrific war crimes, did everything they could to gain/increase/hold power, and used any level of violence required to get what they want, whereas the 'good' force users eschewed violence as much as possible, didn't harm others unless necessary, and didn't seek out power. Of course these are generalizations, but I believe they are borne out by TCW tv series.



f) Thus, these senior military officers are unlikely to have mistaken Vader for being a 'good' force user, whether or not they knew about the Sith, or what they thought Vader's backstory actually was.



When you put the previous six points together, the picture it seems to paint is that the higher echelons of the Imperial Navy either knew, thought, or were told that the Jedi were the bad guys, that the Jedi had been (mostly) destroyed, that the Emperor was just a normal non-force-using human politician, and that he was served by an incredibly powerful force-using non-Jedi. And yet at least some of them seemed to fear the Emperor more than Vader.



I can understand the argument that if someone as powerful as Vader served the Emperor, the Emperor must be even more powerful, but if these Imperial Officers had direct experience of 'bad' force users doing everything they could to get as much power as possible, what is the in-universe explanation to the senior military officers as to why Vader not only doesn't overthrow the Emperor and rule in his stead, but serves the Emperor so absolutely, considering the fact that they know Vader is a force-user (and one who uses the force in a way very similar to how the 'bad' force-users used to), and do not know/believe that Palpatine is?




NB1: See also this discussion, this discussion, and this discussion for more about who knew that Palpatine was a force-user/Sith.



NB2: Please note that I am not asking about Tarkin or Thrawn here, but the senior Imperial Navy Officers in general, particularly those that served in the Clone Wars.










share|improve this question
















Answers can be from Canon or Legends.




TL;DR: How do the senior Imperial Navy Officers with experience in the Clone Wars account for why a powerful force-using 'baddie' like Vader not only does not overthrow, but faithfully serves an apparently non-force-using human politician in the form of Emperor Palpatine?




Long Question



I was re-watching ROTJ, specifically the scene where Vader arrives at the second Death Star and is speaking with Imperial Moff Tiaan Jerjerrod, when the following exchange took place:




JERJERROD: Lord Vader, this is an unexpected pleasure. We're honored by your presence.



VADER: You may dispense with the pleasantries, Commander. I'm here to put you back on schedule.



JERJERROD: I assure you, Lord Vader, my men are working as fast as they can.



VADER: Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate them.



JERJERROD: I tell you, this station will be operational as planned.



VADER: The Emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.



JERJERROD: But he asks the impossible. I need more men.



VADER: Then perhaps you can tell him when he arrives.



JERJERROD: (Terrified) The Emperor's coming here?



VADER: That is correct, Commander. And he is most displeased with your apparent lack of progress.



JERJERROD: We shall double our efforts.



VADER: I hope so, Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.



JERJERROD: (Big gulp)




When Jerjerrod finds out that the Emperor is coming for an inspection he seems very afraid by that fact, more afraid (and as is implied by Vader's comment that the Emperor is less forgiving than Vader is) than he is of Vader himself.



This led me to wonder why this would actually be since, according to this question and this question, very few people know that Emperor Palpatine is a force-user, much less a Sith (NB1). While thinking about this, I also considered several points about the Palpatine/Vader relationship:



a) While many in the galaxy at large didn't really know about the Jedi, the Imperial Navy was full of officers who served in the Clone Wars and thus would have either seen, met, or at least heard about the Jedi and their use of the force.



b) Vader never hid his use of the force from his officers or his victims, and yet Palpatine was very careful to limit his use of the force infront of others, or to kill those who saw him doing it.



c) According to the official storyline that the Empire released, the Jedi tried to overthrow the Republic and attacked Palpatine in the process, but the GAR saved Palpatine and he ordered them to wipe out the Jedi.



d) The Imperial Officers who served in the Clone Wars(NB2), whether they believed that story or not, especially the more senior ones who would have read field reports or worked in intelligence and so on, would not only have known about the Jedi and their use of the force, but would have known the difference between a 'good' force user like Obi-wan or Yoda, and a 'bad' force user like Count Dooku or Asajj Ventress.



e) The 'bad' force users these Imperial Officers would have encountered during the Clone Wars engaged in horrific war crimes, did everything they could to gain/increase/hold power, and used any level of violence required to get what they want, whereas the 'good' force users eschewed violence as much as possible, didn't harm others unless necessary, and didn't seek out power. Of course these are generalizations, but I believe they are borne out by TCW tv series.



f) Thus, these senior military officers are unlikely to have mistaken Vader for being a 'good' force user, whether or not they knew about the Sith, or what they thought Vader's backstory actually was.



When you put the previous six points together, the picture it seems to paint is that the higher echelons of the Imperial Navy either knew, thought, or were told that the Jedi were the bad guys, that the Jedi had been (mostly) destroyed, that the Emperor was just a normal non-force-using human politician, and that he was served by an incredibly powerful force-using non-Jedi. And yet at least some of them seemed to fear the Emperor more than Vader.



I can understand the argument that if someone as powerful as Vader served the Emperor, the Emperor must be even more powerful, but if these Imperial Officers had direct experience of 'bad' force users doing everything they could to get as much power as possible, what is the in-universe explanation to the senior military officers as to why Vader not only doesn't overthrow the Emperor and rule in his stead, but serves the Emperor so absolutely, considering the fact that they know Vader is a force-user (and one who uses the force in a way very similar to how the 'bad' force-users used to), and do not know/believe that Palpatine is?




NB1: See also this discussion, this discussion, and this discussion for more about who knew that Palpatine was a force-user/Sith.



NB2: Please note that I am not asking about Tarkin or Thrawn here, but the senior Imperial Navy Officers in general, particularly those that served in the Clone Wars.







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    as to Jerjerrod, whether or not the supreme leader of your despotic government can choke you from across the room, he can still boot you out the air lock if he's dissatisfied

    – NKCampbell
    8 hours ago







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    Vader is well known as the Emperor's enforcer. There's no obvious reason to assume that just because Vader is a Force user that he'd necessarily have the desire to take over the galaxy by killing the Emperor, nor would anyone particularly follow him (as the new leader) if he did so. Rasputin could have killed the Emperor, but that wouldn't have made him Tsar.

    – Valorum
    8 hours ago












  • @Valorum Would officers with experience with Dooku/Ventress really believe that though? If Vader shares Palpatine's goals and he acts in a way very similar to how Dooku/Ventress behaved then why is it more reasonable that he'd serve Palpatine rather than just overthrow him and implement his system himself. Who was actually going to fight back against him, especially once the Empire was fully developed (after say 5 or 10 years), or if he didn't feel that they would follow him, is the implication that they thought Palpatine was just a puppet for Vader?

    – Phyneas
    8 hours ago











  • @Phyneas - Vader is a classic henchman. His entire power-base comes from his involvement with the Emperor, not because he has any specific rank.

    – Valorum
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Very nice question, @Phyneas!! I was really engaged reading that.

    – MissouriSpartan
    6 hours ago













  • 1





    as to Jerjerrod, whether or not the supreme leader of your despotic government can choke you from across the room, he can still boot you out the air lock if he's dissatisfied

    – NKCampbell
    8 hours ago







  • 5





    Vader is well known as the Emperor's enforcer. There's no obvious reason to assume that just because Vader is a Force user that he'd necessarily have the desire to take over the galaxy by killing the Emperor, nor would anyone particularly follow him (as the new leader) if he did so. Rasputin could have killed the Emperor, but that wouldn't have made him Tsar.

    – Valorum
    8 hours ago












  • @Valorum Would officers with experience with Dooku/Ventress really believe that though? If Vader shares Palpatine's goals and he acts in a way very similar to how Dooku/Ventress behaved then why is it more reasonable that he'd serve Palpatine rather than just overthrow him and implement his system himself. Who was actually going to fight back against him, especially once the Empire was fully developed (after say 5 or 10 years), or if he didn't feel that they would follow him, is the implication that they thought Palpatine was just a puppet for Vader?

    – Phyneas
    8 hours ago











  • @Phyneas - Vader is a classic henchman. His entire power-base comes from his involvement with the Emperor, not because he has any specific rank.

    – Valorum
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Very nice question, @Phyneas!! I was really engaged reading that.

    – MissouriSpartan
    6 hours ago








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as to Jerjerrod, whether or not the supreme leader of your despotic government can choke you from across the room, he can still boot you out the air lock if he's dissatisfied

– NKCampbell
8 hours ago






as to Jerjerrod, whether or not the supreme leader of your despotic government can choke you from across the room, he can still boot you out the air lock if he's dissatisfied

– NKCampbell
8 hours ago





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Vader is well known as the Emperor's enforcer. There's no obvious reason to assume that just because Vader is a Force user that he'd necessarily have the desire to take over the galaxy by killing the Emperor, nor would anyone particularly follow him (as the new leader) if he did so. Rasputin could have killed the Emperor, but that wouldn't have made him Tsar.

– Valorum
8 hours ago






Vader is well known as the Emperor's enforcer. There's no obvious reason to assume that just because Vader is a Force user that he'd necessarily have the desire to take over the galaxy by killing the Emperor, nor would anyone particularly follow him (as the new leader) if he did so. Rasputin could have killed the Emperor, but that wouldn't have made him Tsar.

– Valorum
8 hours ago














@Valorum Would officers with experience with Dooku/Ventress really believe that though? If Vader shares Palpatine's goals and he acts in a way very similar to how Dooku/Ventress behaved then why is it more reasonable that he'd serve Palpatine rather than just overthrow him and implement his system himself. Who was actually going to fight back against him, especially once the Empire was fully developed (after say 5 or 10 years), or if he didn't feel that they would follow him, is the implication that they thought Palpatine was just a puppet for Vader?

– Phyneas
8 hours ago





@Valorum Would officers with experience with Dooku/Ventress really believe that though? If Vader shares Palpatine's goals and he acts in a way very similar to how Dooku/Ventress behaved then why is it more reasonable that he'd serve Palpatine rather than just overthrow him and implement his system himself. Who was actually going to fight back against him, especially once the Empire was fully developed (after say 5 or 10 years), or if he didn't feel that they would follow him, is the implication that they thought Palpatine was just a puppet for Vader?

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@Phyneas - Vader is a classic henchman. His entire power-base comes from his involvement with the Emperor, not because he has any specific rank.

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@Phyneas - Vader is a classic henchman. His entire power-base comes from his involvement with the Emperor, not because he has any specific rank.

– Valorum
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Very nice question, @Phyneas!! I was really engaged reading that.

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Very nice question, @Phyneas!! I was really engaged reading that.

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In the current canon, many of the Imperial Senior officers have confusion where Vader fits into the hierarchy. After many blunders that occur due to them not recognizing him, and to a few assassination attempts, the Emperor had to address the officer corp to tell them where he fits in, saying that Vader is the Emperor's Voice, and a command from Vader is a command from the Emperor.



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In the current canon, many of the Imperial Senior officers have confusion where Vader fits into the hierarchy. After many blunders that occur due to them not recognizing him, and to a few assassination attempts, the Emperor had to address the officer corp to tell them where he fits in, saying that Vader is the Emperor's Voice, and a command from Vader is a command from the Emperor.



addressing officers



clarifying role



Source: Star Wars; Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith comic






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  • yeah...and the next panels not shown in this answer make the point abundantly clear to everyone left standing (ie - not Ferro, Bingan, Strephi or Azoras)

    – NKCampbell
    7 hours ago






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    I didn’t want to copy too much of the comic :D

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In the current canon, many of the Imperial Senior officers have confusion where Vader fits into the hierarchy. After many blunders that occur due to them not recognizing him, and to a few assassination attempts, the Emperor had to address the officer corp to tell them where he fits in, saying that Vader is the Emperor's Voice, and a command from Vader is a command from the Emperor.



addressing officers



clarifying role



Source: Star Wars; Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith comic






share|improve this answer

























  • yeah...and the next panels not shown in this answer make the point abundantly clear to everyone left standing (ie - not Ferro, Bingan, Strephi or Azoras)

    – NKCampbell
    7 hours ago






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    I didn’t want to copy too much of the comic :D

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In the current canon, many of the Imperial Senior officers have confusion where Vader fits into the hierarchy. After many blunders that occur due to them not recognizing him, and to a few assassination attempts, the Emperor had to address the officer corp to tell them where he fits in, saying that Vader is the Emperor's Voice, and a command from Vader is a command from the Emperor.



addressing officers



clarifying role



Source: Star Wars; Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith comic






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In the current canon, many of the Imperial Senior officers have confusion where Vader fits into the hierarchy. After many blunders that occur due to them not recognizing him, and to a few assassination attempts, the Emperor had to address the officer corp to tell them where he fits in, saying that Vader is the Emperor's Voice, and a command from Vader is a command from the Emperor.



addressing officers



clarifying role



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  • yeah...and the next panels not shown in this answer make the point abundantly clear to everyone left standing (ie - not Ferro, Bingan, Strephi or Azoras)

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    I didn’t want to copy too much of the comic :D

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  • yeah...and the next panels not shown in this answer make the point abundantly clear to everyone left standing (ie - not Ferro, Bingan, Strephi or Azoras)

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yeah...and the next panels not shown in this answer make the point abundantly clear to everyone left standing (ie - not Ferro, Bingan, Strephi or Azoras)

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