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I generally ride alone. Recently while riding along at my normal pace, a very large group ride caught me. By large, I mean at least 50 riders.



By virtue of the magic of drafting, by the time about ten riders were past me, I had no problem at all keeping pace, even having to ease off to avoid crowding the rider in front of me. I kept as far to the right as possible (there was a curb) and a bike length behind the rider in front of me. There were riders to my left and directly behind me so it wasn't really safe for me to do anything but keep riding in the pack. After about two miles, we came to an intersection where I continued straight while the group turned right.



One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through. I get that I'm an unknown quantity, but it should have been obvious that I was riding safely and really I had nowhere to go since there riders directly behind me.



Question is, did I really mess up? I do have just as much right to the road as the group ride does.










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    "One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through" And does he pull off the road every time a car wants to come past? Does his group? I'm guessing, no.

    – David Richerby
    7 hours ago






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    @ojs I wrote that answer, but I am not sure it applies here as the group enveloped the rider while in the other scenario the person was actively trying to join a group.

    – Rider_X
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  • No, you did not mess up - Had a car driver done that to any one of the riders in the group, how would they react? Just like a car, every one of those riders have a responsibly to pass you and be well clear before turning or wait behind you until the intersection. Personally, I would have had a 'conversation' with that rider, probably just a couple of words......

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I generally ride alone. Recently while riding along at my normal pace, a very large group ride caught me. By large, I mean at least 50 riders.



By virtue of the magic of drafting, by the time about ten riders were past me, I had no problem at all keeping pace, even having to ease off to avoid crowding the rider in front of me. I kept as far to the right as possible (there was a curb) and a bike length behind the rider in front of me. There were riders to my left and directly behind me so it wasn't really safe for me to do anything but keep riding in the pack. After about two miles, we came to an intersection where I continued straight while the group turned right.



One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through. I get that I'm an unknown quantity, but it should have been obvious that I was riding safely and really I had nowhere to go since there riders directly behind me.



Question is, did I really mess up? I do have just as much right to the road as the group ride does.










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  • bicycles.stackexchange.com/a/32758/10595 is a good explanation

    – ojs
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    "One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through" And does he pull off the road every time a car wants to come past? Does his group? I'm guessing, no.

    – David Richerby
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    @ojs I wrote that answer, but I am not sure it applies here as the group enveloped the rider while in the other scenario the person was actively trying to join a group.

    – Rider_X
    7 hours ago











  • No, you did not mess up - Had a car driver done that to any one of the riders in the group, how would they react? Just like a car, every one of those riders have a responsibly to pass you and be well clear before turning or wait behind you until the intersection. Personally, I would have had a 'conversation' with that rider, probably just a couple of words......

    – mattnz
    3 hours ago













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I generally ride alone. Recently while riding along at my normal pace, a very large group ride caught me. By large, I mean at least 50 riders.



By virtue of the magic of drafting, by the time about ten riders were past me, I had no problem at all keeping pace, even having to ease off to avoid crowding the rider in front of me. I kept as far to the right as possible (there was a curb) and a bike length behind the rider in front of me. There were riders to my left and directly behind me so it wasn't really safe for me to do anything but keep riding in the pack. After about two miles, we came to an intersection where I continued straight while the group turned right.



One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through. I get that I'm an unknown quantity, but it should have been obvious that I was riding safely and really I had nowhere to go since there riders directly behind me.



Question is, did I really mess up? I do have just as much right to the road as the group ride does.










share|improve this question
















I generally ride alone. Recently while riding along at my normal pace, a very large group ride caught me. By large, I mean at least 50 riders.



By virtue of the magic of drafting, by the time about ten riders were past me, I had no problem at all keeping pace, even having to ease off to avoid crowding the rider in front of me. I kept as far to the right as possible (there was a curb) and a bike length behind the rider in front of me. There were riders to my left and directly behind me so it wasn't really safe for me to do anything but keep riding in the pack. After about two miles, we came to an intersection where I continued straight while the group turned right.



One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through. I get that I'm an unknown quantity, but it should have been obvious that I was riding safely and really I had nowhere to go since there riders directly behind me.



Question is, did I really mess up? I do have just as much right to the road as the group ride does.







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  • bicycles.stackexchange.com/a/32758/10595 is a good explanation

    – ojs
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    "One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through" And does he pull off the road every time a car wants to come past? Does his group? I'm guessing, no.

    – David Richerby
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    @ojs I wrote that answer, but I am not sure it applies here as the group enveloped the rider while in the other scenario the person was actively trying to join a group.

    – Rider_X
    7 hours ago











  • No, you did not mess up - Had a car driver done that to any one of the riders in the group, how would they react? Just like a car, every one of those riders have a responsibly to pass you and be well clear before turning or wait behind you until the intersection. Personally, I would have had a 'conversation' with that rider, probably just a couple of words......

    – mattnz
    3 hours ago

















  • bicycles.stackexchange.com/a/32758/10595 is a good explanation

    – ojs
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    "One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through" And does he pull off the road every time a car wants to come past? Does his group? I'm guessing, no.

    – David Richerby
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    @ojs I wrote that answer, but I am not sure it applies here as the group enveloped the rider while in the other scenario the person was actively trying to join a group.

    – Rider_X
    7 hours ago











  • No, you did not mess up - Had a car driver done that to any one of the riders in the group, how would they react? Just like a car, every one of those riders have a responsibly to pass you and be well clear before turning or wait behind you until the intersection. Personally, I would have had a 'conversation' with that rider, probably just a couple of words......

    – mattnz
    3 hours ago
















bicycles.stackexchange.com/a/32758/10595 is a good explanation

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bicycles.stackexchange.com/a/32758/10595 is a good explanation

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8 hours ago




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"One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through" And does he pull off the road every time a car wants to come past? Does his group? I'm guessing, no.

– David Richerby
7 hours ago





"One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through" And does he pull off the road every time a car wants to come past? Does his group? I'm guessing, no.

– David Richerby
7 hours ago




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@ojs I wrote that answer, but I am not sure it applies here as the group enveloped the rider while in the other scenario the person was actively trying to join a group.

– Rider_X
7 hours ago





@ojs I wrote that answer, but I am not sure it applies here as the group enveloped the rider while in the other scenario the person was actively trying to join a group.

– Rider_X
7 hours ago













No, you did not mess up - Had a car driver done that to any one of the riders in the group, how would they react? Just like a car, every one of those riders have a responsibly to pass you and be well clear before turning or wait behind you until the intersection. Personally, I would have had a 'conversation' with that rider, probably just a couple of words......

– mattnz
3 hours ago





No, you did not mess up - Had a car driver done that to any one of the riders in the group, how would they react? Just like a car, every one of those riders have a responsibly to pass you and be well clear before turning or wait behind you until the intersection. Personally, I would have had a 'conversation' with that rider, probably just a couple of words......

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If you did nothing to impede the group passing you, you basically did nothing wrong, and the rider who said you should have pulled over was out of line. As you stayed to the right and had riders to your left, then the individuals in the group obviously could have passed you.



Speeding up as a group tries to pass you is borderline bad behavior, it would probably have been better to let them all pass - for your safety as well as politeness as you say you were hemmed in by the group.



If you had decided to draft members of the group without asking you would definitely have been in the wrong, but you left a bike length between you and the bike in front - that is not drafting and appropriately leaves some safety space.



In future you can get out of the middle of a group by announcing you are slowing and waving riders past you.






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There are a number of problems in your situation, including the behaviour of the groups, which I will breakdown as the following:



  1. A group of 50 is excessively large and it sounds like they also did a poor job of passing. This is one of the primary problems of large groups, they are hard to move in unison and the club/organizer should have broken the group into smaller more manageable groupings.

  2. When a group when passing other slower road users, such as the OP, the group should have given the OP a very wide berth to:

    1. keep the OP safe as they were not involved in the group;

    2. make it clear that the group is separate; and

    3. make it difficult for the OP to inadvertently get mixed into the group.


  3. The OP needed to decide that whether or not they were part of this group and if not make it clear and in both actions and even vocally to the group that they needed space. Speeding up made it more difficult for the group to pass, which prolonged the interaction and increased the probability of a future routing conflict. [This one may generate a some controversy, but I explain further below.]

Personally, I believe by far the biggest issue was with how the group was behaving, they can't expect some random person on a bike to be versed in group riding, and they forget that they are sharing road with other road users. That said, as someone with a number of years in group riding, I would have attempted to removed myself from that situation ahead of time by asking riders in the group to let me through so I could go straight or asked for guidance. Expecting someone who is being overtaken to just pull over and stop is arrogant to say the least.



Most people in that situation wouldn't have had that experience or necessarily known what to do; however, there is still an element of personal responsibility as the OP allowed themselves to integrate into the group (likely because it made riding easier), without known what was really expected.




"By virtue of the magic of drafting, by the time about ten riders were past me, I had no problem at all keeping pace"




It is clear that the OP was knowingly benefiting from some type of draft, which ultimately made it more difficult for the group to pass and prolonged the OP's exposure to the group. The OP made the decision to speed up, they could have easily kept their original speed which would have allowed the group to pass quicker. You can't get a free draft (or partial draft) allow yourself to be somewhat integrated into the group, then suddenly do what you want. Groups don't react well to sudden changes. That said, this is a relatively small transgression as most people suddenly finding themselves in this situation won't be thinking of these nuances. Rather, the onus is really on the large group doing the passing to make this work safely.






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  • Speeding up when caught by a group (or a single rider) is gray area. I'll often find myself doing it, not by getting a draft but just because I I've got someone to pace against and added motivation.

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  • @ArgentiApparatus I agree it is an easy thing to get caught up in, but it is still a choice.

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One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through.




I don't know about your neck of the woods, but in the Canadian province where I live, we have a Motor Vehicle Act which calls almost every road (including alleys behind houses) "highway" and says that a "person operating a cycle on a highway has the same rights and duties as a driver of a vehicle." That document of law spells out the rules that apply on the road. Nowhere in it does it say that when you're ambushed by some tailgaters, you must obliglingly pull over.



More importantly, it says this: "A person operating a cycle ... (d) must not ride abreast of another person operating a cycle on the roadway."



A group of fifty cyclists would be breaking the law in my area, unless they ride in a single file.



A group of cyclists obeying the law, and thus riding in a single file, can pass a slower cyclist in the space of about half the width of a traffic lane, without any difficulties.






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    You share same road and have same right



    50 Cyclist is huge group, might be you could check if there's any the local policy/law but common sense is for us to let them just pass, just slowing or aside if possible and not to risking your own safety



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      If you did nothing to impede the group passing you, you basically did nothing wrong, and the rider who said you should have pulled over was out of line. As you stayed to the right and had riders to your left, then the individuals in the group obviously could have passed you.



      Speeding up as a group tries to pass you is borderline bad behavior, it would probably have been better to let them all pass - for your safety as well as politeness as you say you were hemmed in by the group.



      If you had decided to draft members of the group without asking you would definitely have been in the wrong, but you left a bike length between you and the bike in front - that is not drafting and appropriately leaves some safety space.



      In future you can get out of the middle of a group by announcing you are slowing and waving riders past you.






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      • I didn’t try to speed up. In fact I definitely eased up. It’s just that being in a draft makes things that much easier.

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      If you did nothing to impede the group passing you, you basically did nothing wrong, and the rider who said you should have pulled over was out of line. As you stayed to the right and had riders to your left, then the individuals in the group obviously could have passed you.



      Speeding up as a group tries to pass you is borderline bad behavior, it would probably have been better to let them all pass - for your safety as well as politeness as you say you were hemmed in by the group.



      If you had decided to draft members of the group without asking you would definitely have been in the wrong, but you left a bike length between you and the bike in front - that is not drafting and appropriately leaves some safety space.



      In future you can get out of the middle of a group by announcing you are slowing and waving riders past you.






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      If you did nothing to impede the group passing you, you basically did nothing wrong, and the rider who said you should have pulled over was out of line. As you stayed to the right and had riders to your left, then the individuals in the group obviously could have passed you.



      Speeding up as a group tries to pass you is borderline bad behavior, it would probably have been better to let them all pass - for your safety as well as politeness as you say you were hemmed in by the group.



      If you had decided to draft members of the group without asking you would definitely have been in the wrong, but you left a bike length between you and the bike in front - that is not drafting and appropriately leaves some safety space.



      In future you can get out of the middle of a group by announcing you are slowing and waving riders past you.






      share|improve this answer















      If you did nothing to impede the group passing you, you basically did nothing wrong, and the rider who said you should have pulled over was out of line. As you stayed to the right and had riders to your left, then the individuals in the group obviously could have passed you.



      Speeding up as a group tries to pass you is borderline bad behavior, it would probably have been better to let them all pass - for your safety as well as politeness as you say you were hemmed in by the group.



      If you had decided to draft members of the group without asking you would definitely have been in the wrong, but you left a bike length between you and the bike in front - that is not drafting and appropriately leaves some safety space.



      In future you can get out of the middle of a group by announcing you are slowing and waving riders past you.







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      • I didn’t try to speed up. In fact I definitely eased up. It’s just that being in a draft makes things that much easier.

        – Eric Shain
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      • I didn’t try to speed up. In fact I definitely eased up. It’s just that being in a draft makes things that much easier.

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      I didn’t try to speed up. In fact I definitely eased up. It’s just that being in a draft makes things that much easier.

      – Eric Shain
      2 hours ago





      I didn’t try to speed up. In fact I definitely eased up. It’s just that being in a draft makes things that much easier.

      – Eric Shain
      2 hours ago













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      There are a number of problems in your situation, including the behaviour of the groups, which I will breakdown as the following:



      1. A group of 50 is excessively large and it sounds like they also did a poor job of passing. This is one of the primary problems of large groups, they are hard to move in unison and the club/organizer should have broken the group into smaller more manageable groupings.

      2. When a group when passing other slower road users, such as the OP, the group should have given the OP a very wide berth to:

        1. keep the OP safe as they were not involved in the group;

        2. make it clear that the group is separate; and

        3. make it difficult for the OP to inadvertently get mixed into the group.


      3. The OP needed to decide that whether or not they were part of this group and if not make it clear and in both actions and even vocally to the group that they needed space. Speeding up made it more difficult for the group to pass, which prolonged the interaction and increased the probability of a future routing conflict. [This one may generate a some controversy, but I explain further below.]

      Personally, I believe by far the biggest issue was with how the group was behaving, they can't expect some random person on a bike to be versed in group riding, and they forget that they are sharing road with other road users. That said, as someone with a number of years in group riding, I would have attempted to removed myself from that situation ahead of time by asking riders in the group to let me through so I could go straight or asked for guidance. Expecting someone who is being overtaken to just pull over and stop is arrogant to say the least.



      Most people in that situation wouldn't have had that experience or necessarily known what to do; however, there is still an element of personal responsibility as the OP allowed themselves to integrate into the group (likely because it made riding easier), without known what was really expected.




      "By virtue of the magic of drafting, by the time about ten riders were past me, I had no problem at all keeping pace"




      It is clear that the OP was knowingly benefiting from some type of draft, which ultimately made it more difficult for the group to pass and prolonged the OP's exposure to the group. The OP made the decision to speed up, they could have easily kept their original speed which would have allowed the group to pass quicker. You can't get a free draft (or partial draft) allow yourself to be somewhat integrated into the group, then suddenly do what you want. Groups don't react well to sudden changes. That said, this is a relatively small transgression as most people suddenly finding themselves in this situation won't be thinking of these nuances. Rather, the onus is really on the large group doing the passing to make this work safely.






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      • Speeding up when caught by a group (or a single rider) is gray area. I'll often find myself doing it, not by getting a draft but just because I I've got someone to pace against and added motivation.

        – Argenti Apparatus
        6 hours ago











      • @ArgentiApparatus I agree it is an easy thing to get caught up in, but it is still a choice.

        – Rider_X
        6 hours ago















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      There are a number of problems in your situation, including the behaviour of the groups, which I will breakdown as the following:



      1. A group of 50 is excessively large and it sounds like they also did a poor job of passing. This is one of the primary problems of large groups, they are hard to move in unison and the club/organizer should have broken the group into smaller more manageable groupings.

      2. When a group when passing other slower road users, such as the OP, the group should have given the OP a very wide berth to:

        1. keep the OP safe as they were not involved in the group;

        2. make it clear that the group is separate; and

        3. make it difficult for the OP to inadvertently get mixed into the group.


      3. The OP needed to decide that whether or not they were part of this group and if not make it clear and in both actions and even vocally to the group that they needed space. Speeding up made it more difficult for the group to pass, which prolonged the interaction and increased the probability of a future routing conflict. [This one may generate a some controversy, but I explain further below.]

      Personally, I believe by far the biggest issue was with how the group was behaving, they can't expect some random person on a bike to be versed in group riding, and they forget that they are sharing road with other road users. That said, as someone with a number of years in group riding, I would have attempted to removed myself from that situation ahead of time by asking riders in the group to let me through so I could go straight or asked for guidance. Expecting someone who is being overtaken to just pull over and stop is arrogant to say the least.



      Most people in that situation wouldn't have had that experience or necessarily known what to do; however, there is still an element of personal responsibility as the OP allowed themselves to integrate into the group (likely because it made riding easier), without known what was really expected.




      "By virtue of the magic of drafting, by the time about ten riders were past me, I had no problem at all keeping pace"




      It is clear that the OP was knowingly benefiting from some type of draft, which ultimately made it more difficult for the group to pass and prolonged the OP's exposure to the group. The OP made the decision to speed up, they could have easily kept their original speed which would have allowed the group to pass quicker. You can't get a free draft (or partial draft) allow yourself to be somewhat integrated into the group, then suddenly do what you want. Groups don't react well to sudden changes. That said, this is a relatively small transgression as most people suddenly finding themselves in this situation won't be thinking of these nuances. Rather, the onus is really on the large group doing the passing to make this work safely.






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      • Speeding up when caught by a group (or a single rider) is gray area. I'll often find myself doing it, not by getting a draft but just because I I've got someone to pace against and added motivation.

        – Argenti Apparatus
        6 hours ago











      • @ArgentiApparatus I agree it is an easy thing to get caught up in, but it is still a choice.

        – Rider_X
        6 hours ago













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      There are a number of problems in your situation, including the behaviour of the groups, which I will breakdown as the following:



      1. A group of 50 is excessively large and it sounds like they also did a poor job of passing. This is one of the primary problems of large groups, they are hard to move in unison and the club/organizer should have broken the group into smaller more manageable groupings.

      2. When a group when passing other slower road users, such as the OP, the group should have given the OP a very wide berth to:

        1. keep the OP safe as they were not involved in the group;

        2. make it clear that the group is separate; and

        3. make it difficult for the OP to inadvertently get mixed into the group.


      3. The OP needed to decide that whether or not they were part of this group and if not make it clear and in both actions and even vocally to the group that they needed space. Speeding up made it more difficult for the group to pass, which prolonged the interaction and increased the probability of a future routing conflict. [This one may generate a some controversy, but I explain further below.]

      Personally, I believe by far the biggest issue was with how the group was behaving, they can't expect some random person on a bike to be versed in group riding, and they forget that they are sharing road with other road users. That said, as someone with a number of years in group riding, I would have attempted to removed myself from that situation ahead of time by asking riders in the group to let me through so I could go straight or asked for guidance. Expecting someone who is being overtaken to just pull over and stop is arrogant to say the least.



      Most people in that situation wouldn't have had that experience or necessarily known what to do; however, there is still an element of personal responsibility as the OP allowed themselves to integrate into the group (likely because it made riding easier), without known what was really expected.




      "By virtue of the magic of drafting, by the time about ten riders were past me, I had no problem at all keeping pace"




      It is clear that the OP was knowingly benefiting from some type of draft, which ultimately made it more difficult for the group to pass and prolonged the OP's exposure to the group. The OP made the decision to speed up, they could have easily kept their original speed which would have allowed the group to pass quicker. You can't get a free draft (or partial draft) allow yourself to be somewhat integrated into the group, then suddenly do what you want. Groups don't react well to sudden changes. That said, this is a relatively small transgression as most people suddenly finding themselves in this situation won't be thinking of these nuances. Rather, the onus is really on the large group doing the passing to make this work safely.






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      There are a number of problems in your situation, including the behaviour of the groups, which I will breakdown as the following:



      1. A group of 50 is excessively large and it sounds like they also did a poor job of passing. This is one of the primary problems of large groups, they are hard to move in unison and the club/organizer should have broken the group into smaller more manageable groupings.

      2. When a group when passing other slower road users, such as the OP, the group should have given the OP a very wide berth to:

        1. keep the OP safe as they were not involved in the group;

        2. make it clear that the group is separate; and

        3. make it difficult for the OP to inadvertently get mixed into the group.


      3. The OP needed to decide that whether or not they were part of this group and if not make it clear and in both actions and even vocally to the group that they needed space. Speeding up made it more difficult for the group to pass, which prolonged the interaction and increased the probability of a future routing conflict. [This one may generate a some controversy, but I explain further below.]

      Personally, I believe by far the biggest issue was with how the group was behaving, they can't expect some random person on a bike to be versed in group riding, and they forget that they are sharing road with other road users. That said, as someone with a number of years in group riding, I would have attempted to removed myself from that situation ahead of time by asking riders in the group to let me through so I could go straight or asked for guidance. Expecting someone who is being overtaken to just pull over and stop is arrogant to say the least.



      Most people in that situation wouldn't have had that experience or necessarily known what to do; however, there is still an element of personal responsibility as the OP allowed themselves to integrate into the group (likely because it made riding easier), without known what was really expected.




      "By virtue of the magic of drafting, by the time about ten riders were past me, I had no problem at all keeping pace"




      It is clear that the OP was knowingly benefiting from some type of draft, which ultimately made it more difficult for the group to pass and prolonged the OP's exposure to the group. The OP made the decision to speed up, they could have easily kept their original speed which would have allowed the group to pass quicker. You can't get a free draft (or partial draft) allow yourself to be somewhat integrated into the group, then suddenly do what you want. Groups don't react well to sudden changes. That said, this is a relatively small transgression as most people suddenly finding themselves in this situation won't be thinking of these nuances. Rather, the onus is really on the large group doing the passing to make this work safely.







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      • Speeding up when caught by a group (or a single rider) is gray area. I'll often find myself doing it, not by getting a draft but just because I I've got someone to pace against and added motivation.

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      • @ArgentiApparatus I agree it is an easy thing to get caught up in, but it is still a choice.

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      • Speeding up when caught by a group (or a single rider) is gray area. I'll often find myself doing it, not by getting a draft but just because I I've got someone to pace against and added motivation.

        – Argenti Apparatus
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      • @ArgentiApparatus I agree it is an easy thing to get caught up in, but it is still a choice.

        – Rider_X
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      Speeding up when caught by a group (or a single rider) is gray area. I'll often find myself doing it, not by getting a draft but just because I I've got someone to pace against and added motivation.

      – Argenti Apparatus
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      Speeding up when caught by a group (or a single rider) is gray area. I'll often find myself doing it, not by getting a draft but just because I I've got someone to pace against and added motivation.

      – Argenti Apparatus
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      @ArgentiApparatus I agree it is an easy thing to get caught up in, but it is still a choice.

      – Rider_X
      6 hours ago





      @ArgentiApparatus I agree it is an easy thing to get caught up in, but it is still a choice.

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      One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through.




      I don't know about your neck of the woods, but in the Canadian province where I live, we have a Motor Vehicle Act which calls almost every road (including alleys behind houses) "highway" and says that a "person operating a cycle on a highway has the same rights and duties as a driver of a vehicle." That document of law spells out the rules that apply on the road. Nowhere in it does it say that when you're ambushed by some tailgaters, you must obliglingly pull over.



      More importantly, it says this: "A person operating a cycle ... (d) must not ride abreast of another person operating a cycle on the roadway."



      A group of fifty cyclists would be breaking the law in my area, unless they ride in a single file.



      A group of cyclists obeying the law, and thus riding in a single file, can pass a slower cyclist in the space of about half the width of a traffic lane, without any difficulties.






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        One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through.




        I don't know about your neck of the woods, but in the Canadian province where I live, we have a Motor Vehicle Act which calls almost every road (including alleys behind houses) "highway" and says that a "person operating a cycle on a highway has the same rights and duties as a driver of a vehicle." That document of law spells out the rules that apply on the road. Nowhere in it does it say that when you're ambushed by some tailgaters, you must obliglingly pull over.



        More importantly, it says this: "A person operating a cycle ... (d) must not ride abreast of another person operating a cycle on the roadway."



        A group of fifty cyclists would be breaking the law in my area, unless they ride in a single file.



        A group of cyclists obeying the law, and thus riding in a single file, can pass a slower cyclist in the space of about half the width of a traffic lane, without any difficulties.






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          One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through.




          I don't know about your neck of the woods, but in the Canadian province where I live, we have a Motor Vehicle Act which calls almost every road (including alleys behind houses) "highway" and says that a "person operating a cycle on a highway has the same rights and duties as a driver of a vehicle." That document of law spells out the rules that apply on the road. Nowhere in it does it say that when you're ambushed by some tailgaters, you must obliglingly pull over.



          More importantly, it says this: "A person operating a cycle ... (d) must not ride abreast of another person operating a cycle on the roadway."



          A group of fifty cyclists would be breaking the law in my area, unless they ride in a single file.



          A group of cyclists obeying the law, and thus riding in a single file, can pass a slower cyclist in the space of about half the width of a traffic lane, without any difficulties.






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          One of the riders rather pointedly suggested I should have pulled off to let the group through.




          I don't know about your neck of the woods, but in the Canadian province where I live, we have a Motor Vehicle Act which calls almost every road (including alleys behind houses) "highway" and says that a "person operating a cycle on a highway has the same rights and duties as a driver of a vehicle." That document of law spells out the rules that apply on the road. Nowhere in it does it say that when you're ambushed by some tailgaters, you must obliglingly pull over.



          More importantly, it says this: "A person operating a cycle ... (d) must not ride abreast of another person operating a cycle on the roadway."



          A group of fifty cyclists would be breaking the law in my area, unless they ride in a single file.



          A group of cyclists obeying the law, and thus riding in a single file, can pass a slower cyclist in the space of about half the width of a traffic lane, without any difficulties.







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              You share same road and have same right



              50 Cyclist is huge group, might be you could check if there's any the local policy/law but common sense is for us to let them just pass, just slowing or aside if possible and not to risking your own safety



              For the guy pointing you, we have a kind of busybody person anywhere everywhere






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