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Manager wants to hire me, HR do not, how to proceed?
what is the protocol for thank you notes when there are multiple interviewersManager wants to hire an employee he's sleeping with, against the advice of his team leadersIs it typical to be interviewed with another candidate, asked personal questions, and required to debate in a language that won't be used at work?An HR Manager has proposed a private ‘interview practice session’ with meI was not offered a job, for what I think are unfair reasonsHow to properly handle this follow up situationMy co-workers knowledge doesn’t match my concept of their rolesMy co-worker is not happy when I do wellHow to handle manager when handing in my notice after lying about not looking for a new jobShould a technical interviewer read the resume/CV?
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I had a talk with the manager of a technical department at a big sized company I've been doing some work with as a consultant. She told me they are looking for technical people and if I'd like to work with them at a specific technical position. I said yes and she was very enthusiastic.
This company is particularly structured and full of red tape. Before applying for the position and have an interview with the manager (I basically already had this interview as mentioned above) I had to take a 3 hours role/group play non-technical evaluation session with other 8 candidates who wanted to apply for different non-technical positions.
The result of this evaluation session was negative. Basically, HR says I don't know how to work in a group, make an argument, take a decision and so on. There were no comments I can only infer this because those were the skills being evaluated, apparently.
At this point I do not know what to do next. The manager wants me to get on board and I have a strong track record of references that can prove I can do what HR in a 3 hours evaluation deemed me unable to. What would be the correct course of action? Do I apply? I tried to ask HR more information on their decision but they have been dead silent.
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I had a talk with the manager of a technical department at a big sized company I've been doing some work with as a consultant. She told me they are looking for technical people and if I'd like to work with them at a specific technical position. I said yes and she was very enthusiastic.
This company is particularly structured and full of red tape. Before applying for the position and have an interview with the manager (I basically already had this interview as mentioned above) I had to take a 3 hours role/group play non-technical evaluation session with other 8 candidates who wanted to apply for different non-technical positions.
The result of this evaluation session was negative. Basically, HR says I don't know how to work in a group, make an argument, take a decision and so on. There were no comments I can only infer this because those were the skills being evaluated, apparently.
At this point I do not know what to do next. The manager wants me to get on board and I have a strong track record of references that can prove I can do what HR in a 3 hours evaluation deemed me unable to. What would be the correct course of action? Do I apply? I tried to ask HR more information on their decision but they have been dead silent.
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Do you REALLY want to work full-time at a company like this? Consulting work has its headaches, to be sure, but one of the "perks" is that you don't have to deal with most of the small minds behind big desks.
– Wesley Long
8 mins ago
@WesleyLong indeed this experience has got me thinking a bit...
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I had a talk with the manager of a technical department at a big sized company I've been doing some work with as a consultant. She told me they are looking for technical people and if I'd like to work with them at a specific technical position. I said yes and she was very enthusiastic.
This company is particularly structured and full of red tape. Before applying for the position and have an interview with the manager (I basically already had this interview as mentioned above) I had to take a 3 hours role/group play non-technical evaluation session with other 8 candidates who wanted to apply for different non-technical positions.
The result of this evaluation session was negative. Basically, HR says I don't know how to work in a group, make an argument, take a decision and so on. There were no comments I can only infer this because those were the skills being evaluated, apparently.
At this point I do not know what to do next. The manager wants me to get on board and I have a strong track record of references that can prove I can do what HR in a 3 hours evaluation deemed me unable to. What would be the correct course of action? Do I apply? I tried to ask HR more information on their decision but they have been dead silent.
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I had a talk with the manager of a technical department at a big sized company I've been doing some work with as a consultant. She told me they are looking for technical people and if I'd like to work with them at a specific technical position. I said yes and she was very enthusiastic.
This company is particularly structured and full of red tape. Before applying for the position and have an interview with the manager (I basically already had this interview as mentioned above) I had to take a 3 hours role/group play non-technical evaluation session with other 8 candidates who wanted to apply for different non-technical positions.
The result of this evaluation session was negative. Basically, HR says I don't know how to work in a group, make an argument, take a decision and so on. There were no comments I can only infer this because those were the skills being evaluated, apparently.
At this point I do not know what to do next. The manager wants me to get on board and I have a strong track record of references that can prove I can do what HR in a 3 hours evaluation deemed me unable to. What would be the correct course of action? Do I apply? I tried to ask HR more information on their decision but they have been dead silent.
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Do you REALLY want to work full-time at a company like this? Consulting work has its headaches, to be sure, but one of the "perks" is that you don't have to deal with most of the small minds behind big desks.
– Wesley Long
8 mins ago
@WesleyLong indeed this experience has got me thinking a bit...
– throwaway_account
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Do you REALLY want to work full-time at a company like this? Consulting work has its headaches, to be sure, but one of the "perks" is that you don't have to deal with most of the small minds behind big desks.
– Wesley Long
8 mins ago
@WesleyLong indeed this experience has got me thinking a bit...
– throwaway_account
5 mins ago
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Do you REALLY want to work full-time at a company like this? Consulting work has its headaches, to be sure, but one of the "perks" is that you don't have to deal with most of the small minds behind big desks.
– Wesley Long
8 mins ago
Do you REALLY want to work full-time at a company like this? Consulting work has its headaches, to be sure, but one of the "perks" is that you don't have to deal with most of the small minds behind big desks.
– Wesley Long
8 mins ago
@WesleyLong indeed this experience has got me thinking a bit...
– throwaway_account
5 mins ago
@WesleyLong indeed this experience has got me thinking a bit...
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Continue to work for this company as a consultant.
Conspire with that friendly manager to enlarge your contribution until it is essentially full time or even more.
Charge three times what you would have made as a permanent employee.
Every time you pass the door to HR shake your head sadly and chuckle to yourself.
answered 14 mins ago
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What do you mean "Do I apply?" Isn't that how you got to the 3 hour ordeal?
I have been in your shoes. Several of my jobs I've gotten because I have known someone who gave the hiring manager my resume. The manager put my name through, and I was good.
On another occasion being manager's choice was irrelevant. I did not get the job because it was a well-known market research/survey company. They prided themselves on their research abilities, and they made me take a personality test. The results of the personality test told me I wasn't the "type of candidate" they were looking for. No matter how much I protested, I got nowhere. I took my argument to the head of HR. She wouldn't budge.
HR is the gatekeeper for many companies. If you don't get past their bureaucracy, you won't get in. You can apply, and perhaps it'll work out, but there's a good chance they simply won't let you through, and that's that.
answered 11 mins ago
KeithKeith
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No the 3 hours thing is some kind of standard process you have to go through before applying. You can still apply. They have not been very clear on what happens in the case I find myself in.
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Continue to work for this company as a consultant.
Conspire with that friendly manager to enlarge your contribution until it is essentially full time or even more.
Charge three times what you would have made as a permanent employee.
Every time you pass the door to HR shake your head sadly and chuckle to yourself.
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Continue to work for this company as a consultant.
Conspire with that friendly manager to enlarge your contribution until it is essentially full time or even more.
Charge three times what you would have made as a permanent employee.
Every time you pass the door to HR shake your head sadly and chuckle to yourself.
answered 14 mins ago
A. I. BreveleriA. I. Breveleri
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add a comment |
Continue to work for this company as a consultant.
Conspire with that friendly manager to enlarge your contribution until it is essentially full time or even more.
Charge three times what you would have made as a permanent employee.
Every time you pass the door to HR shake your head sadly and chuckle to yourself.
answered 14 mins ago
A. I. BreveleriA. I. Breveleri
7,24221629
Continue to work for this company as a consultant.
Conspire with that friendly manager to enlarge your contribution until it is essentially full time or even more.
Charge three times what you would have made as a permanent employee.
Every time you pass the door to HR shake your head sadly and chuckle to yourself.
answered 14 mins ago
A. I. BreveleriA. I. Breveleri
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answered 14 mins ago
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What do you mean "Do I apply?" Isn't that how you got to the 3 hour ordeal?
I have been in your shoes. Several of my jobs I've gotten because I have known someone who gave the hiring manager my resume. The manager put my name through, and I was good.
On another occasion being manager's choice was irrelevant. I did not get the job because it was a well-known market research/survey company. They prided themselves on their research abilities, and they made me take a personality test. The results of the personality test told me I wasn't the "type of candidate" they were looking for. No matter how much I protested, I got nowhere. I took my argument to the head of HR. She wouldn't budge.
HR is the gatekeeper for many companies. If you don't get past their bureaucracy, you won't get in. You can apply, and perhaps it'll work out, but there's a good chance they simply won't let you through, and that's that.
answered 11 mins ago
KeithKeith
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No the 3 hours thing is some kind of standard process you have to go through before applying. You can still apply. They have not been very clear on what happens in the case I find myself in.
– throwaway_account
5 mins ago
add a comment |
What do you mean "Do I apply?" Isn't that how you got to the 3 hour ordeal?
I have been in your shoes. Several of my jobs I've gotten because I have known someone who gave the hiring manager my resume. The manager put my name through, and I was good.
On another occasion being manager's choice was irrelevant. I did not get the job because it was a well-known market research/survey company. They prided themselves on their research abilities, and they made me take a personality test. The results of the personality test told me I wasn't the "type of candidate" they were looking for. No matter how much I protested, I got nowhere. I took my argument to the head of HR. She wouldn't budge.
HR is the gatekeeper for many companies. If you don't get past their bureaucracy, you won't get in. You can apply, and perhaps it'll work out, but there's a good chance they simply won't let you through, and that's that.
answered 11 mins ago
KeithKeith
7,50851734
No the 3 hours thing is some kind of standard process you have to go through before applying. You can still apply. They have not been very clear on what happens in the case I find myself in.
– throwaway_account
5 mins ago
add a comment |
What do you mean "Do I apply?" Isn't that how you got to the 3 hour ordeal?
I have been in your shoes. Several of my jobs I've gotten because I have known someone who gave the hiring manager my resume. The manager put my name through, and I was good.
On another occasion being manager's choice was irrelevant. I did not get the job because it was a well-known market research/survey company. They prided themselves on their research abilities, and they made me take a personality test. The results of the personality test told me I wasn't the "type of candidate" they were looking for. No matter how much I protested, I got nowhere. I took my argument to the head of HR. She wouldn't budge.
HR is the gatekeeper for many companies. If you don't get past their bureaucracy, you won't get in. You can apply, and perhaps it'll work out, but there's a good chance they simply won't let you through, and that's that.
answered 11 mins ago
KeithKeith
7,50851734
What do you mean "Do I apply?" Isn't that how you got to the 3 hour ordeal?
I have been in your shoes. Several of my jobs I've gotten because I have known someone who gave the hiring manager my resume. The manager put my name through, and I was good.
On another occasion being manager's choice was irrelevant. I did not get the job because it was a well-known market research/survey company. They prided themselves on their research abilities, and they made me take a personality test. The results of the personality test told me I wasn't the "type of candidate" they were looking for. No matter how much I protested, I got nowhere. I took my argument to the head of HR. She wouldn't budge.
HR is the gatekeeper for many companies. If you don't get past their bureaucracy, you won't get in. You can apply, and perhaps it'll work out, but there's a good chance they simply won't let you through, and that's that.
answered 11 mins ago
KeithKeith
7,50851734
answered 11 mins ago
KeithKeith
7,50851734
answered 11 mins ago
KeithKeith
7,50851734
answered 11 mins ago
KeithKeith
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No the 3 hours thing is some kind of standard process you have to go through before applying. You can still apply. They have not been very clear on what happens in the case I find myself in.
– throwaway_account
5 mins ago
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No the 3 hours thing is some kind of standard process you have to go through before applying. You can still apply. They have not been very clear on what happens in the case I find myself in.
– throwaway_account
5 mins ago
No the 3 hours thing is some kind of standard process you have to go through before applying. You can still apply. They have not been very clear on what happens in the case I find myself in.
– throwaway_account
5 mins ago
No the 3 hours thing is some kind of standard process you have to go through before applying. You can still apply. They have not been very clear on what happens in the case I find myself in.
– throwaway_account
5 mins ago
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Do you REALLY want to work full-time at a company like this? Consulting work has its headaches, to be sure, but one of the "perks" is that you don't have to deal with most of the small minds behind big desks.
– Wesley Long
8 mins ago
@WesleyLong indeed this experience has got me thinking a bit...
– throwaway_account
5 mins ago