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We are installing a Cooktop that calls for a 40amp circuit. I was given 6AWG wire (instead of the 8AWG wire I asked for) by mistake. The electrician saw the 6AWG wire (that I had already run) and used a 50amp breaker. The Cooktop installer requires that the breaker be 40amp. My electrician was concerned that using the larger 6AWG wire would lower the resistance therefore affecting the amps; he cited Ohm's law. He has refused to change the breaker from 50amps to 40amps for fear of damaging something or affecting safety. I thought the amp requirement was dictated by the device (it asks for 40amps) and the 40amp breaker would ensure that 40amps is all that it would get. Does anyone know of any dangers/issues if using a smaller breaker with 6AWG wire?










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    Electrically there is no issue. Ohm's law has nothing to do with it. The cable is not the resistive part of the circuit. For the code part, though, see answers.

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    Clearly the "electrician" doesn't understand what he's talking about. Certainly using 6 AWG vs. 8 AWG will provide lower resistance IN THE WIRING which ends up generating less heat in your walls. But that's NOT going to impact how much current the cooktop draws significantly. Putting a 40A breaker would be fine here since it's LOWER than the wire's capacity.

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We are installing a Cooktop that calls for a 40amp circuit. I was given 6AWG wire (instead of the 8AWG wire I asked for) by mistake. The electrician saw the 6AWG wire (that I had already run) and used a 50amp breaker. The Cooktop installer requires that the breaker be 40amp. My electrician was concerned that using the larger 6AWG wire would lower the resistance therefore affecting the amps; he cited Ohm's law. He has refused to change the breaker from 50amps to 40amps for fear of damaging something or affecting safety. I thought the amp requirement was dictated by the device (it asks for 40amps) and the 40amp breaker would ensure that 40amps is all that it would get. Does anyone know of any dangers/issues if using a smaller breaker with 6AWG wire?










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    Electrically there is no issue. Ohm's law has nothing to do with it. The cable is not the resistive part of the circuit. For the code part, though, see answers.

    – Jeffrey
    8 hours ago






  • 4





    Clearly the "electrician" doesn't understand what he's talking about. Certainly using 6 AWG vs. 8 AWG will provide lower resistance IN THE WIRING which ends up generating less heat in your walls. But that's NOT going to impact how much current the cooktop draws significantly. Putting a 40A breaker would be fine here since it's LOWER than the wire's capacity.

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We are installing a Cooktop that calls for a 40amp circuit. I was given 6AWG wire (instead of the 8AWG wire I asked for) by mistake. The electrician saw the 6AWG wire (that I had already run) and used a 50amp breaker. The Cooktop installer requires that the breaker be 40amp. My electrician was concerned that using the larger 6AWG wire would lower the resistance therefore affecting the amps; he cited Ohm's law. He has refused to change the breaker from 50amps to 40amps for fear of damaging something or affecting safety. I thought the amp requirement was dictated by the device (it asks for 40amps) and the 40amp breaker would ensure that 40amps is all that it would get. Does anyone know of any dangers/issues if using a smaller breaker with 6AWG wire?










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We are installing a Cooktop that calls for a 40amp circuit. I was given 6AWG wire (instead of the 8AWG wire I asked for) by mistake. The electrician saw the 6AWG wire (that I had already run) and used a 50amp breaker. The Cooktop installer requires that the breaker be 40amp. My electrician was concerned that using the larger 6AWG wire would lower the resistance therefore affecting the amps; he cited Ohm's law. He has refused to change the breaker from 50amps to 40amps for fear of damaging something or affecting safety. I thought the amp requirement was dictated by the device (it asks for 40amps) and the 40amp breaker would ensure that 40amps is all that it would get. Does anyone know of any dangers/issues if using a smaller breaker with 6AWG wire?







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    Electrically there is no issue. Ohm's law has nothing to do with it. The cable is not the resistive part of the circuit. For the code part, though, see answers.

    – Jeffrey
    8 hours ago






  • 4





    Clearly the "electrician" doesn't understand what he's talking about. Certainly using 6 AWG vs. 8 AWG will provide lower resistance IN THE WIRING which ends up generating less heat in your walls. But that's NOT going to impact how much current the cooktop draws significantly. Putting a 40A breaker would be fine here since it's LOWER than the wire's capacity.

    – jwh20
    8 hours ago












  • 1





    Electrically there is no issue. Ohm's law has nothing to do with it. The cable is not the resistive part of the circuit. For the code part, though, see answers.

    – Jeffrey
    8 hours ago






  • 4





    Clearly the "electrician" doesn't understand what he's talking about. Certainly using 6 AWG vs. 8 AWG will provide lower resistance IN THE WIRING which ends up generating less heat in your walls. But that's NOT going to impact how much current the cooktop draws significantly. Putting a 40A breaker would be fine here since it's LOWER than the wire's capacity.

    – jwh20
    8 hours ago







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Electrically there is no issue. Ohm's law has nothing to do with it. The cable is not the resistive part of the circuit. For the code part, though, see answers.

– Jeffrey
8 hours ago





Electrically there is no issue. Ohm's law has nothing to do with it. The cable is not the resistive part of the circuit. For the code part, though, see answers.

– Jeffrey
8 hours ago




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Clearly the "electrician" doesn't understand what he's talking about. Certainly using 6 AWG vs. 8 AWG will provide lower resistance IN THE WIRING which ends up generating less heat in your walls. But that's NOT going to impact how much current the cooktop draws significantly. Putting a 40A breaker would be fine here since it's LOWER than the wire's capacity.

– jwh20
8 hours ago





Clearly the "electrician" doesn't understand what he's talking about. Certainly using 6 AWG vs. 8 AWG will provide lower resistance IN THE WIRING which ends up generating less heat in your walls. But that's NOT going to impact how much current the cooktop draws significantly. Putting a 40A breaker would be fine here since it's LOWER than the wire's capacity.

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Your "electrician" is not one of the brighter bulbs in the pack.



The 40A is to protect the wiring and the device.



If the wiring is AT LEAST 8Ga then it's adequate to protect the wiring. It also protects 6Ga, (or 500 MCM for that matter) just fine, and it properly protects the device at the end of the wire just fine.



"Ohms law" has squat to do with this. You could have a cooktop located 3 feet from the breaker panel and connected with 8 Ga or one located 100 feet from the panel and connected with 6 Ga - the 8 Ga would have (much, about 20 times) lower resistance, because of the wire length. Upsizing wire for longer runs on heavy circuits is actually quite normal. As stated, not a particularly knowledgeable electrician you have there.






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  • I'd say your description of the electrician is a massive understatement. If he fails to grasp the very basics of the safety principles, he's worse than useless. Who knows how many oversized breakers he's installed during his career. Most of those poor homeowners would be better off and safer if they just did it themselves.

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  • He charged by the hour and actually didn't count the hour he was waiting for me to go get the 50amp breaker. He had helped us previously and his rates are decent. However, I think he may need some more time to mature on the theory vs reality aspects. He saw 6AWG and knew that normally matched up with 50amps. Based on his knowledge, straying from that could cause unknown issues.

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The breaker needs to be sized to protect the wire and the device.



Wire



Larger wire (which is a lower # due to the way wire sizes are named) can use a larger breaker. But a smaller breaker is always safe. 55A is the largest breaker you can normally use for 6 AWG copper. 40A is the largest breaker you can normally use for 8 AWG copper. But you can always use a smaller breaker - it will be 100% safe. That includes the very typical 50A (instead of 55A) for 6 AWG. But it can include lots of different things. For example, a 30A breaker on 8 AWG wire, a 15A breaker with 12 AWG wire (which can also use a 20A breaker), etc. You could even use a 15A breaker on 6 AWG wire - strange but nothing unsafe about it.



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The device needs to be protected by an appropriate size breaker which is determined by the design of the device and is part of the UL (or equivalent) listing for the device. So if the cooktop calls for a 40A breaker then you must use a 40A breaker. You can't use a smaller breaker (probably safe, but you would get frequent nuisance trips which are inconvenient at best and lead to unsafe operation at worst if you (or a future owner) ends up "fixing" it later in an unsafe manner). And you can't use a larger breaker because the device is not rated for that - i.e., it expects to have the protection provided by a 40A breaker in order to handle any faults in a safe manner.



It is possible to have multiple valid breaker sizes. For example, a circuit consisting of 12 AWG wire and 15A duplex receptacles can use a 15A breaker (perfect match for the individual receptacles) or 20A breaker - OK because of the wire size (15A would only need 14 AWG) and a special exception for 20A circuits that allows for multiple 15A receptacles instead of 1-or-more 20A receptacles, and the 15A receptacles are designed to allow 20A passing through. Any normal plug-in 15A device can use a 20A receptacle. But that is not necessarily the case for 40A vs. 50A - and unless the cooktop instructions actually say it is OK to do so, you need to stick with 40A, even if the wire can handle 50A.






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    You're always allowed to upsize wire



    What you have there is a 40A circuit, because it is breakered 40A per instructions.



    On a 40A circuit you are allowed to use any cable 8 AWG or larger.



    It's that simple.



    If you ever change to an appliance that wants 50A, you have a 50A breaker. Ydou are allowed any wire 6 AWG or larger.






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      Your "electrician" is not one of the brighter bulbs in the pack.



      The 40A is to protect the wiring and the device.



      If the wiring is AT LEAST 8Ga then it's adequate to protect the wiring. It also protects 6Ga, (or 500 MCM for that matter) just fine, and it properly protects the device at the end of the wire just fine.



      "Ohms law" has squat to do with this. You could have a cooktop located 3 feet from the breaker panel and connected with 8 Ga or one located 100 feet from the panel and connected with 6 Ga - the 8 Ga would have (much, about 20 times) lower resistance, because of the wire length. Upsizing wire for longer runs on heavy circuits is actually quite normal. As stated, not a particularly knowledgeable electrician you have there.






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      • But I'm sure he had no problem producing a bill for his "excellent" services.

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      • I'd say your description of the electrician is a massive understatement. If he fails to grasp the very basics of the safety principles, he's worse than useless. Who knows how many oversized breakers he's installed during his career. Most of those poor homeowners would be better off and safer if they just did it themselves.

        – TooTea
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      • He charged by the hour and actually didn't count the hour he was waiting for me to go get the 50amp breaker. He had helped us previously and his rates are decent. However, I think he may need some more time to mature on the theory vs reality aspects. He saw 6AWG and knew that normally matched up with 50amps. Based on his knowledge, straying from that could cause unknown issues.

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        3 hours ago















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      Your "electrician" is not one of the brighter bulbs in the pack.



      The 40A is to protect the wiring and the device.



      If the wiring is AT LEAST 8Ga then it's adequate to protect the wiring. It also protects 6Ga, (or 500 MCM for that matter) just fine, and it properly protects the device at the end of the wire just fine.



      "Ohms law" has squat to do with this. You could have a cooktop located 3 feet from the breaker panel and connected with 8 Ga or one located 100 feet from the panel and connected with 6 Ga - the 8 Ga would have (much, about 20 times) lower resistance, because of the wire length. Upsizing wire for longer runs on heavy circuits is actually quite normal. As stated, not a particularly knowledgeable electrician you have there.






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      • I'd say your description of the electrician is a massive understatement. If he fails to grasp the very basics of the safety principles, he's worse than useless. Who knows how many oversized breakers he's installed during his career. Most of those poor homeowners would be better off and safer if they just did it themselves.

        – TooTea
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      • He charged by the hour and actually didn't count the hour he was waiting for me to go get the 50amp breaker. He had helped us previously and his rates are decent. However, I think he may need some more time to mature on the theory vs reality aspects. He saw 6AWG and knew that normally matched up with 50amps. Based on his knowledge, straying from that could cause unknown issues.

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      Your "electrician" is not one of the brighter bulbs in the pack.



      The 40A is to protect the wiring and the device.



      If the wiring is AT LEAST 8Ga then it's adequate to protect the wiring. It also protects 6Ga, (or 500 MCM for that matter) just fine, and it properly protects the device at the end of the wire just fine.



      "Ohms law" has squat to do with this. You could have a cooktop located 3 feet from the breaker panel and connected with 8 Ga or one located 100 feet from the panel and connected with 6 Ga - the 8 Ga would have (much, about 20 times) lower resistance, because of the wire length. Upsizing wire for longer runs on heavy circuits is actually quite normal. As stated, not a particularly knowledgeable electrician you have there.






      share|improve this answer















      Your "electrician" is not one of the brighter bulbs in the pack.



      The 40A is to protect the wiring and the device.



      If the wiring is AT LEAST 8Ga then it's adequate to protect the wiring. It also protects 6Ga, (or 500 MCM for that matter) just fine, and it properly protects the device at the end of the wire just fine.



      "Ohms law" has squat to do with this. You could have a cooktop located 3 feet from the breaker panel and connected with 8 Ga or one located 100 feet from the panel and connected with 6 Ga - the 8 Ga would have (much, about 20 times) lower resistance, because of the wire length. Upsizing wire for longer runs on heavy circuits is actually quite normal. As stated, not a particularly knowledgeable electrician you have there.







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      • But I'm sure he had no problem producing a bill for his "excellent" services.

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      • I'd say your description of the electrician is a massive understatement. If he fails to grasp the very basics of the safety principles, he's worse than useless. Who knows how many oversized breakers he's installed during his career. Most of those poor homeowners would be better off and safer if they just did it themselves.

        – TooTea
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      • He charged by the hour and actually didn't count the hour he was waiting for me to go get the 50amp breaker. He had helped us previously and his rates are decent. However, I think he may need some more time to mature on the theory vs reality aspects. He saw 6AWG and knew that normally matched up with 50amps. Based on his knowledge, straying from that could cause unknown issues.

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      • But I'm sure he had no problem producing a bill for his "excellent" services.

        – jwh20
        8 hours ago











      • I'd say your description of the electrician is a massive understatement. If he fails to grasp the very basics of the safety principles, he's worse than useless. Who knows how many oversized breakers he's installed during his career. Most of those poor homeowners would be better off and safer if they just did it themselves.

        – TooTea
        4 hours ago











      • He charged by the hour and actually didn't count the hour he was waiting for me to go get the 50amp breaker. He had helped us previously and his rates are decent. However, I think he may need some more time to mature on the theory vs reality aspects. He saw 6AWG and knew that normally matched up with 50amps. Based on his knowledge, straying from that could cause unknown issues.

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      But I'm sure he had no problem producing a bill for his "excellent" services.

      – jwh20
      8 hours ago





      But I'm sure he had no problem producing a bill for his "excellent" services.

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      I'd say your description of the electrician is a massive understatement. If he fails to grasp the very basics of the safety principles, he's worse than useless. Who knows how many oversized breakers he's installed during his career. Most of those poor homeowners would be better off and safer if they just did it themselves.

      – TooTea
      4 hours ago





      I'd say your description of the electrician is a massive understatement. If he fails to grasp the very basics of the safety principles, he's worse than useless. Who knows how many oversized breakers he's installed during his career. Most of those poor homeowners would be better off and safer if they just did it themselves.

      – TooTea
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      He charged by the hour and actually didn't count the hour he was waiting for me to go get the 50amp breaker. He had helped us previously and his rates are decent. However, I think he may need some more time to mature on the theory vs reality aspects. He saw 6AWG and knew that normally matched up with 50amps. Based on his knowledge, straying from that could cause unknown issues.

      – Steve Sensabaugh
      3 hours ago





      He charged by the hour and actually didn't count the hour he was waiting for me to go get the 50amp breaker. He had helped us previously and his rates are decent. However, I think he may need some more time to mature on the theory vs reality aspects. He saw 6AWG and knew that normally matched up with 50amps. Based on his knowledge, straying from that could cause unknown issues.

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      The breaker needs to be sized to protect the wire and the device.



      Wire



      Larger wire (which is a lower # due to the way wire sizes are named) can use a larger breaker. But a smaller breaker is always safe. 55A is the largest breaker you can normally use for 6 AWG copper. 40A is the largest breaker you can normally use for 8 AWG copper. But you can always use a smaller breaker - it will be 100% safe. That includes the very typical 50A (instead of 55A) for 6 AWG. But it can include lots of different things. For example, a 30A breaker on 8 AWG wire, a 15A breaker with 12 AWG wire (which can also use a 20A breaker), etc. You could even use a 15A breaker on 6 AWG wire - strange but nothing unsafe about it.



      Device



      The device needs to be protected by an appropriate size breaker which is determined by the design of the device and is part of the UL (or equivalent) listing for the device. So if the cooktop calls for a 40A breaker then you must use a 40A breaker. You can't use a smaller breaker (probably safe, but you would get frequent nuisance trips which are inconvenient at best and lead to unsafe operation at worst if you (or a future owner) ends up "fixing" it later in an unsafe manner). And you can't use a larger breaker because the device is not rated for that - i.e., it expects to have the protection provided by a 40A breaker in order to handle any faults in a safe manner.



      It is possible to have multiple valid breaker sizes. For example, a circuit consisting of 12 AWG wire and 15A duplex receptacles can use a 15A breaker (perfect match for the individual receptacles) or 20A breaker - OK because of the wire size (15A would only need 14 AWG) and a special exception for 20A circuits that allows for multiple 15A receptacles instead of 1-or-more 20A receptacles, and the 15A receptacles are designed to allow 20A passing through. Any normal plug-in 15A device can use a 20A receptacle. But that is not necessarily the case for 40A vs. 50A - and unless the cooktop instructions actually say it is OK to do so, you need to stick with 40A, even if the wire can handle 50A.






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        The breaker needs to be sized to protect the wire and the device.



        Wire



        Larger wire (which is a lower # due to the way wire sizes are named) can use a larger breaker. But a smaller breaker is always safe. 55A is the largest breaker you can normally use for 6 AWG copper. 40A is the largest breaker you can normally use for 8 AWG copper. But you can always use a smaller breaker - it will be 100% safe. That includes the very typical 50A (instead of 55A) for 6 AWG. But it can include lots of different things. For example, a 30A breaker on 8 AWG wire, a 15A breaker with 12 AWG wire (which can also use a 20A breaker), etc. You could even use a 15A breaker on 6 AWG wire - strange but nothing unsafe about it.



        Device



        The device needs to be protected by an appropriate size breaker which is determined by the design of the device and is part of the UL (or equivalent) listing for the device. So if the cooktop calls for a 40A breaker then you must use a 40A breaker. You can't use a smaller breaker (probably safe, but you would get frequent nuisance trips which are inconvenient at best and lead to unsafe operation at worst if you (or a future owner) ends up "fixing" it later in an unsafe manner). And you can't use a larger breaker because the device is not rated for that - i.e., it expects to have the protection provided by a 40A breaker in order to handle any faults in a safe manner.



        It is possible to have multiple valid breaker sizes. For example, a circuit consisting of 12 AWG wire and 15A duplex receptacles can use a 15A breaker (perfect match for the individual receptacles) or 20A breaker - OK because of the wire size (15A would only need 14 AWG) and a special exception for 20A circuits that allows for multiple 15A receptacles instead of 1-or-more 20A receptacles, and the 15A receptacles are designed to allow 20A passing through. Any normal plug-in 15A device can use a 20A receptacle. But that is not necessarily the case for 40A vs. 50A - and unless the cooktop instructions actually say it is OK to do so, you need to stick with 40A, even if the wire can handle 50A.






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          The breaker needs to be sized to protect the wire and the device.



          Wire



          Larger wire (which is a lower # due to the way wire sizes are named) can use a larger breaker. But a smaller breaker is always safe. 55A is the largest breaker you can normally use for 6 AWG copper. 40A is the largest breaker you can normally use for 8 AWG copper. But you can always use a smaller breaker - it will be 100% safe. That includes the very typical 50A (instead of 55A) for 6 AWG. But it can include lots of different things. For example, a 30A breaker on 8 AWG wire, a 15A breaker with 12 AWG wire (which can also use a 20A breaker), etc. You could even use a 15A breaker on 6 AWG wire - strange but nothing unsafe about it.



          Device



          The device needs to be protected by an appropriate size breaker which is determined by the design of the device and is part of the UL (or equivalent) listing for the device. So if the cooktop calls for a 40A breaker then you must use a 40A breaker. You can't use a smaller breaker (probably safe, but you would get frequent nuisance trips which are inconvenient at best and lead to unsafe operation at worst if you (or a future owner) ends up "fixing" it later in an unsafe manner). And you can't use a larger breaker because the device is not rated for that - i.e., it expects to have the protection provided by a 40A breaker in order to handle any faults in a safe manner.



          It is possible to have multiple valid breaker sizes. For example, a circuit consisting of 12 AWG wire and 15A duplex receptacles can use a 15A breaker (perfect match for the individual receptacles) or 20A breaker - OK because of the wire size (15A would only need 14 AWG) and a special exception for 20A circuits that allows for multiple 15A receptacles instead of 1-or-more 20A receptacles, and the 15A receptacles are designed to allow 20A passing through. Any normal plug-in 15A device can use a 20A receptacle. But that is not necessarily the case for 40A vs. 50A - and unless the cooktop instructions actually say it is OK to do so, you need to stick with 40A, even if the wire can handle 50A.






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          The breaker needs to be sized to protect the wire and the device.



          Wire



          Larger wire (which is a lower # due to the way wire sizes are named) can use a larger breaker. But a smaller breaker is always safe. 55A is the largest breaker you can normally use for 6 AWG copper. 40A is the largest breaker you can normally use for 8 AWG copper. But you can always use a smaller breaker - it will be 100% safe. That includes the very typical 50A (instead of 55A) for 6 AWG. But it can include lots of different things. For example, a 30A breaker on 8 AWG wire, a 15A breaker with 12 AWG wire (which can also use a 20A breaker), etc. You could even use a 15A breaker on 6 AWG wire - strange but nothing unsafe about it.



          Device



          The device needs to be protected by an appropriate size breaker which is determined by the design of the device and is part of the UL (or equivalent) listing for the device. So if the cooktop calls for a 40A breaker then you must use a 40A breaker. You can't use a smaller breaker (probably safe, but you would get frequent nuisance trips which are inconvenient at best and lead to unsafe operation at worst if you (or a future owner) ends up "fixing" it later in an unsafe manner). And you can't use a larger breaker because the device is not rated for that - i.e., it expects to have the protection provided by a 40A breaker in order to handle any faults in a safe manner.



          It is possible to have multiple valid breaker sizes. For example, a circuit consisting of 12 AWG wire and 15A duplex receptacles can use a 15A breaker (perfect match for the individual receptacles) or 20A breaker - OK because of the wire size (15A would only need 14 AWG) and a special exception for 20A circuits that allows for multiple 15A receptacles instead of 1-or-more 20A receptacles, and the 15A receptacles are designed to allow 20A passing through. Any normal plug-in 15A device can use a 20A receptacle. But that is not necessarily the case for 40A vs. 50A - and unless the cooktop instructions actually say it is OK to do so, you need to stick with 40A, even if the wire can handle 50A.







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              You're always allowed to upsize wire



              What you have there is a 40A circuit, because it is breakered 40A per instructions.



              On a 40A circuit you are allowed to use any cable 8 AWG or larger.



              It's that simple.



              If you ever change to an appliance that wants 50A, you have a 50A breaker. Ydou are allowed any wire 6 AWG or larger.






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                You're always allowed to upsize wire



                What you have there is a 40A circuit, because it is breakered 40A per instructions.



                On a 40A circuit you are allowed to use any cable 8 AWG or larger.



                It's that simple.



                If you ever change to an appliance that wants 50A, you have a 50A breaker. Ydou are allowed any wire 6 AWG or larger.






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                  You're always allowed to upsize wire



                  What you have there is a 40A circuit, because it is breakered 40A per instructions.



                  On a 40A circuit you are allowed to use any cable 8 AWG or larger.



                  It's that simple.



                  If you ever change to an appliance that wants 50A, you have a 50A breaker. Ydou are allowed any wire 6 AWG or larger.






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                  You're always allowed to upsize wire



                  What you have there is a 40A circuit, because it is breakered 40A per instructions.



                  On a 40A circuit you are allowed to use any cable 8 AWG or larger.



                  It's that simple.



                  If you ever change to an appliance that wants 50A, you have a 50A breaker. Ydou are allowed any wire 6 AWG or larger.







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