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Identification is not legally necessary for domestic journeys within the United Kingdom.

Take the following three-legged journey:

1. Fly from a non-EU country to Dublin


2. Ride a coach to Belfast


3. Sail a ferry to Liverpool

In this journey I go through passport control in the Republic of Ireland but not in the United Kingdom.

A carrier might demand such documentation for their own purposes but I will ignore this aspect here.

Does this mean that because of the Common Travel Area, and ignoring intelligence-led interdiction, a portion of UK border control is delegated to the Republic of Ireland?

united-kingdom borders ireland

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  The answer really depends on what you mean by "border control" and by "delegate." As you note, it is possible to reach UK territory having been inspected only by Irish border officers. To my mind, that fact by itself means that the answer to your question is "yes." But since you note that fact in asking the question, I suspect that you're looking for something else. Are you?
  
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  There's a system called Timatic that is a database for passenger requirements. I believe this to be valid in most countries (EU or not). So if an airline let's you travel without a VISA for your destination they will probably need to bring you back at their own cost. In your example the passenger would be checked in the non-EU country and then in Ireland. This would be the last check because, as the UK, Ireland is not in the Schengen agreement (important to maintain an open border with Northern Ireland).
  
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Identification is not legally necessary for domestic journeys within the United Kingdom.

Take the following three-legged journey:

1. Fly from a non-EU country to Dublin


2. Ride a coach to Belfast


3. Sail a ferry to Liverpool

In this journey I go through passport control in the Republic of Ireland but not in the United Kingdom.

A carrier might demand such documentation for their own purposes but I will ignore this aspect here.

Does this mean that because of the Common Travel Area, and ignoring intelligence-led interdiction, a portion of UK border control is delegated to the Republic of Ireland?

united-kingdom borders ireland

share|improve this question

edited 8 hours ago

Ben

asked 8 hours ago

BenBen

4,1321551

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  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  The answer really depends on what you mean by "border control" and by "delegate." As you note, it is possible to reach UK territory having been inspected only by Irish border officers. To my mind, that fact by itself means that the answer to your question is "yes." But since you note that fact in asking the question, I suspect that you're looking for something else. Are you?
  
  – phoog
  8 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Your first interpretation of the question was what I was looking for. Given this, I have a supplementary: what implications does this have for the border of the Republic of Ireland (if any).
  
  – Ben
  8 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  There's a system called Timatic that is a database for passenger requirements. I believe this to be valid in most countries (EU or not). So if an airline let's you travel without a VISA for your destination they will probably need to bring you back at their own cost. In your example the passenger would be checked in the non-EU country and then in Ireland. This would be the last check because, as the UK, Ireland is not in the Schengen agreement (important to maintain an open border with Northern Ireland).
  
  – armatita
  8 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  So Ireland is not in the Schengen Area explicitly because of the Irish border?
  
  – Ben
  7 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Ben yes. If the UK wanted to join Schengen, Ireland would have done so.
  
  – phoog
  7 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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Identification is not legally necessary for domestic journeys within the United Kingdom.

Take the following three-legged journey:

1. Fly from a non-EU country to Dublin


2. Ride a coach to Belfast


3. Sail a ferry to Liverpool

In this journey I go through passport control in the Republic of Ireland but not in the United Kingdom.

A carrier might demand such documentation for their own purposes but I will ignore this aspect here.

Does this mean that because of the Common Travel Area, and ignoring intelligence-led interdiction, a portion of UK border control is delegated to the Republic of Ireland?

united-kingdom borders ireland

share|improve this question

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The UK and the Republic of Ireland have maintained the common travel area for nearly a century through a series of non-binding agreements. The most recent agreement, in 2011, was the first public one. It does not contain an explicit delegation of border authority, but makes it clear that the parties understand that they share responsibility for the common external border. For example:

Introduction

1. Ireland’s Department for Justice and Equality and the United Kingdom’s Home
   Department in recognition of the protection of the Common Travel Area (CTA)
   arrangements, as a legitimate and fundamental public policy for both the Irish
   and United Kingdom Governments, have committed to a joint programme of
   work on measures to increase the security of the external Common Travel Area
   border.

Another example:

5. 
   

   e-Borders/Irish Border Information System (IBIS)

   
   
   

   The two governments understand that the overall aim through working together
   in the development of e-Borders/IBIS is to develop an electronic border
   management system/s to identify, as early as possible, those persons who
   have no right to enter the CTA or who would seek to cause harm, so that
   appropriate action can be taken to deal with them at the earliest possible
   juncture. Both governments are committed to the development of such
   electronic border management systems, building on the experience gained by
   the UK in rolling out their e-Borders system, and will continue to explore all
   possibilities to make this happen.

   
   

You could call this delegation of responsibility or sharing responsibility. Either way, it is mutual, for just as it is possible to enter the UK having been inspected only by an officer of the Republic of Ireland, it is also possible to enter the Republic of Ireland having been inspected only by an officer of the UK.

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The UK and the Republic of Ireland have maintained the common travel area for nearly a century through a series of non-binding agreements. The most recent agreement, in 2011, was the first public one. It does not contain an explicit delegation of border authority, but makes it clear that the parties understand that they share responsibility for the common external border. For example:

Introduction

1. Ireland’s Department for Justice and Equality and the United Kingdom’s Home
   Department in recognition of the protection of the Common Travel Area (CTA)
   arrangements, as a legitimate and fundamental public policy for both the Irish
   and United Kingdom Governments, have committed to a joint programme of
   work on measures to increase the security of the external Common Travel Area
   border.

Another example:

5. 
   

   e-Borders/Irish Border Information System (IBIS)

   
   
   

   The two governments understand that the overall aim through working together
   in the development of e-Borders/IBIS is to develop an electronic border
   management system/s to identify, as early as possible, those persons who
   have no right to enter the CTA or who would seek to cause harm, so that
   appropriate action can be taken to deal with them at the earliest possible
   juncture. Both governments are committed to the development of such
   electronic border management systems, building on the experience gained by
   the UK in rolling out their e-Borders system, and will continue to explore all
   possibilities to make this happen.

   
   

You could call this delegation of responsibility or sharing responsibility. Either way, it is mutual, for just as it is possible to enter the UK having been inspected only by an officer of the Republic of Ireland, it is also possible to enter the Republic of Ireland having been inspected only by an officer of the UK.

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The UK and the Republic of Ireland have maintained the common travel area for nearly a century through a series of non-binding agreements. The most recent agreement, in 2011, was the first public one. It does not contain an explicit delegation of border authority, but makes it clear that the parties understand that they share responsibility for the common external border. For example:

Introduction

1. Ireland’s Department for Justice and Equality and the United Kingdom’s Home
   Department in recognition of the protection of the Common Travel Area (CTA)
   arrangements, as a legitimate and fundamental public policy for both the Irish
   and United Kingdom Governments, have committed to a joint programme of
   work on measures to increase the security of the external Common Travel Area
   border.

Another example:

5. 
   

   e-Borders/Irish Border Information System (IBIS)

   
   
   

   The two governments understand that the overall aim through working together
   in the development of e-Borders/IBIS is to develop an electronic border
   management system/s to identify, as early as possible, those persons who
   have no right to enter the CTA or who would seek to cause harm, so that
   appropriate action can be taken to deal with them at the earliest possible
   juncture. Both governments are committed to the development of such
   electronic border management systems, building on the experience gained by
   the UK in rolling out their e-Borders system, and will continue to explore all
   possibilities to make this happen.

   
   

You could call this delegation of responsibility or sharing responsibility. Either way, it is mutual, for just as it is possible to enter the UK having been inspected only by an officer of the Republic of Ireland, it is also possible to enter the Republic of Ireland having been inspected only by an officer of the UK.

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The UK and the Republic of Ireland have maintained the common travel area for nearly a century through a series of non-binding agreements. The most recent agreement, in 2011, was the first public one. It does not contain an explicit delegation of border authority, but makes it clear that the parties understand that they share responsibility for the common external border. For example:

Introduction

1. Ireland’s Department for Justice and Equality and the United Kingdom’s Home
   Department in recognition of the protection of the Common Travel Area (CTA)
   arrangements, as a legitimate and fundamental public policy for both the Irish
   and United Kingdom Governments, have committed to a joint programme of
   work on measures to increase the security of the external Common Travel Area
   border.

Another example:

5. 
   

   e-Borders/Irish Border Information System (IBIS)

   
   
   

   The two governments understand that the overall aim through working together
   in the development of e-Borders/IBIS is to develop an electronic border
   management system/s to identify, as early as possible, those persons who
   have no right to enter the CTA or who would seek to cause harm, so that
   appropriate action can be taken to deal with them at the earliest possible
   juncture. Both governments are committed to the development of such
   electronic border management systems, building on the experience gained by
   the UK in rolling out their e-Borders system, and will continue to explore all
   possibilities to make this happen.

   
   

You could call this delegation of responsibility or sharing responsibility. Either way, it is mutual, for just as it is possible to enter the UK having been inspected only by an officer of the Republic of Ireland, it is also possible to enter the Republic of Ireland having been inspected only by an officer of the UK.

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answered 7 hours ago

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answered 7 hours ago

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answered 7 hours ago

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