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I suggested an idea to my boss. He didn't show much much interest to build it, so I did it on my own. Now it is at the verge of getting funded from VC. My boss now interested in executing the project.
Would there be any IP violation filed by my employer since the idea was originally pitched to him during my employment with the company?
I don't want to damage my relation with my employer.
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I suggested an idea to my boss. He didn't show much much interest to build it, so I did it on my own. Now it is at the verge of getting funded from VC. My boss now interested in executing the project.
Would there be any IP violation filed by my employer since the idea was originally pitched to him during my employment with the company?
I don't want to damage my relation with my employer.
professionalism startup employer entrepreneurship
New contributor
Yes, I'm currently working under same employer. He just seem not interested while I awaited for a response after good 3 follow ups. VC is venture capitalist.
– Daemon
16 hours ago
10
What does your contract day about this sort of thing?
– Philip Kendall
16 hours ago
3
I feel like a non-compete agreement is more likely relevant here than actual IP. Again does your contract state anything in this regard?
– bruglesco
14 hours ago
what does your VC think about that?
– aaaaaa
8 hours ago
1
Oh also - the contract may not explicitly state "all your stuff are belong to us", but may be worded along lines of during your employment ... and elsewhere state you may not work for anyone else. I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
– Justin
7 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
I suggested an idea to my boss. He didn't show much much interest to build it, so I did it on my own. Now it is at the verge of getting funded from VC. My boss now interested in executing the project.
Would there be any IP violation filed by my employer since the idea was originally pitched to him during my employment with the company?
I don't want to damage my relation with my employer.
professionalism startup employer entrepreneurship
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I suggested an idea to my boss. He didn't show much much interest to build it, so I did it on my own. Now it is at the verge of getting funded from VC. My boss now interested in executing the project.
Would there be any IP violation filed by my employer since the idea was originally pitched to him during my employment with the company?
I don't want to damage my relation with my employer.
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Yes, I'm currently working under same employer. He just seem not interested while I awaited for a response after good 3 follow ups. VC is venture capitalist.
– Daemon
16 hours ago
10
What does your contract day about this sort of thing?
– Philip Kendall
16 hours ago
3
I feel like a non-compete agreement is more likely relevant here than actual IP. Again does your contract state anything in this regard?
– bruglesco
14 hours ago
what does your VC think about that?
– aaaaaa
8 hours ago
1
Oh also - the contract may not explicitly state "all your stuff are belong to us", but may be worded along lines of during your employment ... and elsewhere state you may not work for anyone else. I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
– Justin
7 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
Yes, I'm currently working under same employer. He just seem not interested while I awaited for a response after good 3 follow ups. VC is venture capitalist.
– Daemon
16 hours ago
10
What does your contract day about this sort of thing?
– Philip Kendall
16 hours ago
3
I feel like a non-compete agreement is more likely relevant here than actual IP. Again does your contract state anything in this regard?
– bruglesco
14 hours ago
what does your VC think about that?
– aaaaaa
8 hours ago
1
Oh also - the contract may not explicitly state "all your stuff are belong to us", but may be worded along lines of during your employment ... and elsewhere state you may not work for anyone else. I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
– Justin
7 hours ago
Yes, I'm currently working under same employer. He just seem not interested while I awaited for a response after good 3 follow ups. VC is venture capitalist.
– Daemon
16 hours ago
Yes, I'm currently working under same employer. He just seem not interested while I awaited for a response after good 3 follow ups. VC is venture capitalist.
– Daemon
16 hours ago
10
10
What does your contract day about this sort of thing?
– Philip Kendall
16 hours ago
What does your contract day about this sort of thing?
– Philip Kendall
16 hours ago
3
3
I feel like a non-compete agreement is more likely relevant here than actual IP. Again does your contract state anything in this regard?
– bruglesco
14 hours ago
I feel like a non-compete agreement is more likely relevant here than actual IP. Again does your contract state anything in this regard?
– bruglesco
14 hours ago
what does your VC think about that?
– aaaaaa
8 hours ago
what does your VC think about that?
– aaaaaa
8 hours ago
1
1
Oh also - the contract may not explicitly state "all your stuff are belong to us", but may be worded along lines of during your employment ... and elsewhere state you may not work for anyone else. I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
– Justin
7 hours ago
Oh also - the contract may not explicitly state "all your stuff are belong to us", but may be worded along lines of during your employment ... and elsewhere state you may not work for anyone else. I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
– Justin
7 hours ago
|
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You can't retract work done while being employed at X. Your pitched ideas, I assume under your current laws, are part of this work.
That being said, talk to a lawyer. If the law says you own 100% of your invention, you can approach your boss notifying them about that. And get ready to lose your job.
If the law says your employer have special rights (e.g. can embargo any movement forward) then you have to approach that as such:
Hey boss there is a situation. I think I made a mistake by not talking to lawyers earlier, but how can we resolve this? I want X and Y to happen and want not to go to court.
Most importantly:
Talk to a lawyer. If your VC investor discovers there are extra "wrinkles" attached to the company you started, you will lose a lot of money. Maybe end up in court for hiding important information from investor
2
Very true about the "wrinkles". They'll either gouge you, OP, or drop you. It's said that 9 out of 10 startups fail, and they won't want to fight of a prior claim (on your IP) - that's just going to burn cash. This is a good answer, @aaaaaa. We're on the same upvotes and similar rep..... The race is on ;)
– Justin
7 hours ago
@Justin i am just trying to help some folks :-P
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
me too, but let's have some fun. See you at 4000.
– Justin
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Would there be any IP violation filed by my employer since the idea
was originally pitched to him during my employment with the company?
You don't state where you are located, but very probably. The company may claim it as "work product", even if you did it on your own time with your own equipment. It really comes down to what your employment contract says on the matter (and to an extent any company handbook / rules etc). Many contracts have an explicit clause which states that any product created whilst employed by them belongs to the company.
Of course, they can claim and file suit for anything at all; that doesn't mean it will succeed, but doing so has been known to be used to mire a small competitor in legal delays and costs until they go out of business.
I don't want to damage my relation with employer.
Who does? But you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Try to minimise the damage without conceding too much of your new product.
Advice (and take your time to think this over, maybe with lawyer, because I'm really just guessing).
You need to remind your employer that they should focus on their business, rather than just one little part which may contribute towards it. They buy in stationary and tech equipment; They buy in (lease) their operating systems rather than write them. Your product should be just another line item on their quarterly outgoings.
Of course, if there's real money involved (and I'm guessing so if you're looking at funding), they will probably want to own it to add that to their own revenues.
This could be a good opportunity to suggest that they become an investor; Point out that if they own a stake in the business, they have a degree of control over it and can take a share in the profits. As the main customer they can also request features and changes (all customers will do this anyway, of course).
Give them the opportunity to buy in now at $$ for x%, with the option to buy a larger amount / all later, when the company is worth tens of millions.
This won't be easy if they think they can get your product by simply laying claim to it, or threatening your job, but nobody wins that way; You need to pitch this such that everybody wins.
i like the point "They buy in stationary and tech equipment..." They already sorta invested in the product. By training the OP, for example. Also OP can use employer's resources to raise more $ in exchange of something. OP should negotiate, not try to sneak past current boss
– aaaaaa
11 hours ago
2
I don't believe a mere idea can be work product.
– David Schwartz
5 hours ago
add a comment |
There is no intellectual property in ideas. Ideas on their own are worthless. Only ideas plus effort create value. Whatever work you did, plus getting close to funding, that's value.
That said, you told the boss your idea, and now nobody can stop him from using it. As I said, ideas have no protection at all. You can leave the company and run with your idea if that is what you want. But if you want to stay, and if your boss asks you to work on that idea, there's not much you can do about that.
1
ideas are not IP'd, but work done during employment might be regulated.
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
1
True @aaaaaa. Also, how to get round the "Now implement this idea for us" (or lose your job).
– Justin
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Ideas are worthless, execution is what matters. And the company might have a claim to the execution.
Normally, employees are forbidden from competing with their employer during their free time, and there are already arguments that go both ways:
- By making the pitch, you implicitly admitted the idea is something your employer would pursue.
- By initially rejecting the idea your employer implicitly admitted the idea isn't something they would pursue.
Additionally, sometimes there are clauses that state anything you created while employed belongs to the company. Those are not always enforceable, and never unrestricted - and even if they apply, they might allow you to claim vast amounts of overtime.
As you can see this does get complicated, and you need a lawyer. But don't worry, these kinds of conflicts are usually resolved in negotiation, not court. This does not have to end up damaging your relationship.
One approach is to offer the current company to buy your work, or enter into a joint venture - an offer you will need to discuss with your lawyer before you make it.
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You can't retract work done while being employed at X. Your pitched ideas, I assume under your current laws, are part of this work.
That being said, talk to a lawyer. If the law says you own 100% of your invention, you can approach your boss notifying them about that. And get ready to lose your job.
If the law says your employer have special rights (e.g. can embargo any movement forward) then you have to approach that as such:
Hey boss there is a situation. I think I made a mistake by not talking to lawyers earlier, but how can we resolve this? I want X and Y to happen and want not to go to court.
Most importantly:
Talk to a lawyer. If your VC investor discovers there are extra "wrinkles" attached to the company you started, you will lose a lot of money. Maybe end up in court for hiding important information from investor
2
Very true about the "wrinkles". They'll either gouge you, OP, or drop you. It's said that 9 out of 10 startups fail, and they won't want to fight of a prior claim (on your IP) - that's just going to burn cash. This is a good answer, @aaaaaa. We're on the same upvotes and similar rep..... The race is on ;)
– Justin
7 hours ago
@Justin i am just trying to help some folks :-P
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
me too, but let's have some fun. See you at 4000.
– Justin
6 hours ago
add a comment |
You can't retract work done while being employed at X. Your pitched ideas, I assume under your current laws, are part of this work.
That being said, talk to a lawyer. If the law says you own 100% of your invention, you can approach your boss notifying them about that. And get ready to lose your job.
If the law says your employer have special rights (e.g. can embargo any movement forward) then you have to approach that as such:
Hey boss there is a situation. I think I made a mistake by not talking to lawyers earlier, but how can we resolve this? I want X and Y to happen and want not to go to court.
Most importantly:
Talk to a lawyer. If your VC investor discovers there are extra "wrinkles" attached to the company you started, you will lose a lot of money. Maybe end up in court for hiding important information from investor
2
Very true about the "wrinkles". They'll either gouge you, OP, or drop you. It's said that 9 out of 10 startups fail, and they won't want to fight of a prior claim (on your IP) - that's just going to burn cash. This is a good answer, @aaaaaa. We're on the same upvotes and similar rep..... The race is on ;)
– Justin
7 hours ago
@Justin i am just trying to help some folks :-P
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
me too, but let's have some fun. See you at 4000.
– Justin
6 hours ago
add a comment |
You can't retract work done while being employed at X. Your pitched ideas, I assume under your current laws, are part of this work.
That being said, talk to a lawyer. If the law says you own 100% of your invention, you can approach your boss notifying them about that. And get ready to lose your job.
If the law says your employer have special rights (e.g. can embargo any movement forward) then you have to approach that as such:
Hey boss there is a situation. I think I made a mistake by not talking to lawyers earlier, but how can we resolve this? I want X and Y to happen and want not to go to court.
Most importantly:
Talk to a lawyer. If your VC investor discovers there are extra "wrinkles" attached to the company you started, you will lose a lot of money. Maybe end up in court for hiding important information from investor
You can't retract work done while being employed at X. Your pitched ideas, I assume under your current laws, are part of this work.
That being said, talk to a lawyer. If the law says you own 100% of your invention, you can approach your boss notifying them about that. And get ready to lose your job.
If the law says your employer have special rights (e.g. can embargo any movement forward) then you have to approach that as such:
Hey boss there is a situation. I think I made a mistake by not talking to lawyers earlier, but how can we resolve this? I want X and Y to happen and want not to go to court.
Most importantly:
Talk to a lawyer. If your VC investor discovers there are extra "wrinkles" attached to the company you started, you will lose a lot of money. Maybe end up in court for hiding important information from investor
answered 12 hours ago
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Very true about the "wrinkles". They'll either gouge you, OP, or drop you. It's said that 9 out of 10 startups fail, and they won't want to fight of a prior claim (on your IP) - that's just going to burn cash. This is a good answer, @aaaaaa. We're on the same upvotes and similar rep..... The race is on ;)
– Justin
7 hours ago
@Justin i am just trying to help some folks :-P
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
me too, but let's have some fun. See you at 4000.
– Justin
6 hours ago
add a comment |
2
Very true about the "wrinkles". They'll either gouge you, OP, or drop you. It's said that 9 out of 10 startups fail, and they won't want to fight of a prior claim (on your IP) - that's just going to burn cash. This is a good answer, @aaaaaa. We're on the same upvotes and similar rep..... The race is on ;)
– Justin
7 hours ago
@Justin i am just trying to help some folks :-P
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
me too, but let's have some fun. See you at 4000.
– Justin
6 hours ago
2
2
Very true about the "wrinkles". They'll either gouge you, OP, or drop you. It's said that 9 out of 10 startups fail, and they won't want to fight of a prior claim (on your IP) - that's just going to burn cash. This is a good answer, @aaaaaa. We're on the same upvotes and similar rep..... The race is on ;)
– Justin
7 hours ago
Very true about the "wrinkles". They'll either gouge you, OP, or drop you. It's said that 9 out of 10 startups fail, and they won't want to fight of a prior claim (on your IP) - that's just going to burn cash. This is a good answer, @aaaaaa. We're on the same upvotes and similar rep..... The race is on ;)
– Justin
7 hours ago
@Justin i am just trying to help some folks :-P
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
@Justin i am just trying to help some folks :-P
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
me too, but let's have some fun. See you at 4000.
– Justin
6 hours ago
me too, but let's have some fun. See you at 4000.
– Justin
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Would there be any IP violation filed by my employer since the idea
was originally pitched to him during my employment with the company?
You don't state where you are located, but very probably. The company may claim it as "work product", even if you did it on your own time with your own equipment. It really comes down to what your employment contract says on the matter (and to an extent any company handbook / rules etc). Many contracts have an explicit clause which states that any product created whilst employed by them belongs to the company.
Of course, they can claim and file suit for anything at all; that doesn't mean it will succeed, but doing so has been known to be used to mire a small competitor in legal delays and costs until they go out of business.
I don't want to damage my relation with employer.
Who does? But you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Try to minimise the damage without conceding too much of your new product.
Advice (and take your time to think this over, maybe with lawyer, because I'm really just guessing).
You need to remind your employer that they should focus on their business, rather than just one little part which may contribute towards it. They buy in stationary and tech equipment; They buy in (lease) their operating systems rather than write them. Your product should be just another line item on their quarterly outgoings.
Of course, if there's real money involved (and I'm guessing so if you're looking at funding), they will probably want to own it to add that to their own revenues.
This could be a good opportunity to suggest that they become an investor; Point out that if they own a stake in the business, they have a degree of control over it and can take a share in the profits. As the main customer they can also request features and changes (all customers will do this anyway, of course).
Give them the opportunity to buy in now at $$ for x%, with the option to buy a larger amount / all later, when the company is worth tens of millions.
This won't be easy if they think they can get your product by simply laying claim to it, or threatening your job, but nobody wins that way; You need to pitch this such that everybody wins.
i like the point "They buy in stationary and tech equipment..." They already sorta invested in the product. By training the OP, for example. Also OP can use employer's resources to raise more $ in exchange of something. OP should negotiate, not try to sneak past current boss
– aaaaaa
11 hours ago
2
I don't believe a mere idea can be work product.
– David Schwartz
5 hours ago
add a comment |
Would there be any IP violation filed by my employer since the idea
was originally pitched to him during my employment with the company?
You don't state where you are located, but very probably. The company may claim it as "work product", even if you did it on your own time with your own equipment. It really comes down to what your employment contract says on the matter (and to an extent any company handbook / rules etc). Many contracts have an explicit clause which states that any product created whilst employed by them belongs to the company.
Of course, they can claim and file suit for anything at all; that doesn't mean it will succeed, but doing so has been known to be used to mire a small competitor in legal delays and costs until they go out of business.
I don't want to damage my relation with employer.
Who does? But you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Try to minimise the damage without conceding too much of your new product.
Advice (and take your time to think this over, maybe with lawyer, because I'm really just guessing).
You need to remind your employer that they should focus on their business, rather than just one little part which may contribute towards it. They buy in stationary and tech equipment; They buy in (lease) their operating systems rather than write them. Your product should be just another line item on their quarterly outgoings.
Of course, if there's real money involved (and I'm guessing so if you're looking at funding), they will probably want to own it to add that to their own revenues.
This could be a good opportunity to suggest that they become an investor; Point out that if they own a stake in the business, they have a degree of control over it and can take a share in the profits. As the main customer they can also request features and changes (all customers will do this anyway, of course).
Give them the opportunity to buy in now at $$ for x%, with the option to buy a larger amount / all later, when the company is worth tens of millions.
This won't be easy if they think they can get your product by simply laying claim to it, or threatening your job, but nobody wins that way; You need to pitch this such that everybody wins.
i like the point "They buy in stationary and tech equipment..." They already sorta invested in the product. By training the OP, for example. Also OP can use employer's resources to raise more $ in exchange of something. OP should negotiate, not try to sneak past current boss
– aaaaaa
11 hours ago
2
I don't believe a mere idea can be work product.
– David Schwartz
5 hours ago
add a comment |
Would there be any IP violation filed by my employer since the idea
was originally pitched to him during my employment with the company?
You don't state where you are located, but very probably. The company may claim it as "work product", even if you did it on your own time with your own equipment. It really comes down to what your employment contract says on the matter (and to an extent any company handbook / rules etc). Many contracts have an explicit clause which states that any product created whilst employed by them belongs to the company.
Of course, they can claim and file suit for anything at all; that doesn't mean it will succeed, but doing so has been known to be used to mire a small competitor in legal delays and costs until they go out of business.
I don't want to damage my relation with employer.
Who does? But you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Try to minimise the damage without conceding too much of your new product.
Advice (and take your time to think this over, maybe with lawyer, because I'm really just guessing).
You need to remind your employer that they should focus on their business, rather than just one little part which may contribute towards it. They buy in stationary and tech equipment; They buy in (lease) their operating systems rather than write them. Your product should be just another line item on their quarterly outgoings.
Of course, if there's real money involved (and I'm guessing so if you're looking at funding), they will probably want to own it to add that to their own revenues.
This could be a good opportunity to suggest that they become an investor; Point out that if they own a stake in the business, they have a degree of control over it and can take a share in the profits. As the main customer they can also request features and changes (all customers will do this anyway, of course).
Give them the opportunity to buy in now at $$ for x%, with the option to buy a larger amount / all later, when the company is worth tens of millions.
This won't be easy if they think they can get your product by simply laying claim to it, or threatening your job, but nobody wins that way; You need to pitch this such that everybody wins.
Would there be any IP violation filed by my employer since the idea
was originally pitched to him during my employment with the company?
You don't state where you are located, but very probably. The company may claim it as "work product", even if you did it on your own time with your own equipment. It really comes down to what your employment contract says on the matter (and to an extent any company handbook / rules etc). Many contracts have an explicit clause which states that any product created whilst employed by them belongs to the company.
Of course, they can claim and file suit for anything at all; that doesn't mean it will succeed, but doing so has been known to be used to mire a small competitor in legal delays and costs until they go out of business.
I don't want to damage my relation with employer.
Who does? But you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Try to minimise the damage without conceding too much of your new product.
Advice (and take your time to think this over, maybe with lawyer, because I'm really just guessing).
You need to remind your employer that they should focus on their business, rather than just one little part which may contribute towards it. They buy in stationary and tech equipment; They buy in (lease) their operating systems rather than write them. Your product should be just another line item on their quarterly outgoings.
Of course, if there's real money involved (and I'm guessing so if you're looking at funding), they will probably want to own it to add that to their own revenues.
This could be a good opportunity to suggest that they become an investor; Point out that if they own a stake in the business, they have a degree of control over it and can take a share in the profits. As the main customer they can also request features and changes (all customers will do this anyway, of course).
Give them the opportunity to buy in now at $$ for x%, with the option to buy a larger amount / all later, when the company is worth tens of millions.
This won't be easy if they think they can get your product by simply laying claim to it, or threatening your job, but nobody wins that way; You need to pitch this such that everybody wins.
answered 15 hours ago
JustinJustin
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i like the point "They buy in stationary and tech equipment..." They already sorta invested in the product. By training the OP, for example. Also OP can use employer's resources to raise more $ in exchange of something. OP should negotiate, not try to sneak past current boss
– aaaaaa
11 hours ago
2
I don't believe a mere idea can be work product.
– David Schwartz
5 hours ago
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i like the point "They buy in stationary and tech equipment..." They already sorta invested in the product. By training the OP, for example. Also OP can use employer's resources to raise more $ in exchange of something. OP should negotiate, not try to sneak past current boss
– aaaaaa
11 hours ago
2
I don't believe a mere idea can be work product.
– David Schwartz
5 hours ago
i like the point "They buy in stationary and tech equipment..." They already sorta invested in the product. By training the OP, for example. Also OP can use employer's resources to raise more $ in exchange of something. OP should negotiate, not try to sneak past current boss
– aaaaaa
11 hours ago
i like the point "They buy in stationary and tech equipment..." They already sorta invested in the product. By training the OP, for example. Also OP can use employer's resources to raise more $ in exchange of something. OP should negotiate, not try to sneak past current boss
– aaaaaa
11 hours ago
2
2
I don't believe a mere idea can be work product.
– David Schwartz
5 hours ago
I don't believe a mere idea can be work product.
– David Schwartz
5 hours ago
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There is no intellectual property in ideas. Ideas on their own are worthless. Only ideas plus effort create value. Whatever work you did, plus getting close to funding, that's value.
That said, you told the boss your idea, and now nobody can stop him from using it. As I said, ideas have no protection at all. You can leave the company and run with your idea if that is what you want. But if you want to stay, and if your boss asks you to work on that idea, there's not much you can do about that.
1
ideas are not IP'd, but work done during employment might be regulated.
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
1
True @aaaaaa. Also, how to get round the "Now implement this idea for us" (or lose your job).
– Justin
7 hours ago
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There is no intellectual property in ideas. Ideas on their own are worthless. Only ideas plus effort create value. Whatever work you did, plus getting close to funding, that's value.
That said, you told the boss your idea, and now nobody can stop him from using it. As I said, ideas have no protection at all. You can leave the company and run with your idea if that is what you want. But if you want to stay, and if your boss asks you to work on that idea, there's not much you can do about that.
1
ideas are not IP'd, but work done during employment might be regulated.
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
1
True @aaaaaa. Also, how to get round the "Now implement this idea for us" (or lose your job).
– Justin
7 hours ago
add a comment |
There is no intellectual property in ideas. Ideas on their own are worthless. Only ideas plus effort create value. Whatever work you did, plus getting close to funding, that's value.
That said, you told the boss your idea, and now nobody can stop him from using it. As I said, ideas have no protection at all. You can leave the company and run with your idea if that is what you want. But if you want to stay, and if your boss asks you to work on that idea, there's not much you can do about that.
There is no intellectual property in ideas. Ideas on their own are worthless. Only ideas plus effort create value. Whatever work you did, plus getting close to funding, that's value.
That said, you told the boss your idea, and now nobody can stop him from using it. As I said, ideas have no protection at all. You can leave the company and run with your idea if that is what you want. But if you want to stay, and if your boss asks you to work on that idea, there's not much you can do about that.
answered 9 hours ago
gnasher729gnasher729
95.2k45170299
95.2k45170299
1
ideas are not IP'd, but work done during employment might be regulated.
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
1
True @aaaaaa. Also, how to get round the "Now implement this idea for us" (or lose your job).
– Justin
7 hours ago
add a comment |
1
ideas are not IP'd, but work done during employment might be regulated.
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
1
True @aaaaaa. Also, how to get round the "Now implement this idea for us" (or lose your job).
– Justin
7 hours ago
1
1
ideas are not IP'd, but work done during employment might be regulated.
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
ideas are not IP'd, but work done during employment might be regulated.
– aaaaaa
7 hours ago
1
1
True @aaaaaa. Also, how to get round the "Now implement this idea for us" (or lose your job).
– Justin
7 hours ago
True @aaaaaa. Also, how to get round the "Now implement this idea for us" (or lose your job).
– Justin
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Ideas are worthless, execution is what matters. And the company might have a claim to the execution.
Normally, employees are forbidden from competing with their employer during their free time, and there are already arguments that go both ways:
- By making the pitch, you implicitly admitted the idea is something your employer would pursue.
- By initially rejecting the idea your employer implicitly admitted the idea isn't something they would pursue.
Additionally, sometimes there are clauses that state anything you created while employed belongs to the company. Those are not always enforceable, and never unrestricted - and even if they apply, they might allow you to claim vast amounts of overtime.
As you can see this does get complicated, and you need a lawyer. But don't worry, these kinds of conflicts are usually resolved in negotiation, not court. This does not have to end up damaging your relationship.
One approach is to offer the current company to buy your work, or enter into a joint venture - an offer you will need to discuss with your lawyer before you make it.
add a comment |
Ideas are worthless, execution is what matters. And the company might have a claim to the execution.
Normally, employees are forbidden from competing with their employer during their free time, and there are already arguments that go both ways:
- By making the pitch, you implicitly admitted the idea is something your employer would pursue.
- By initially rejecting the idea your employer implicitly admitted the idea isn't something they would pursue.
Additionally, sometimes there are clauses that state anything you created while employed belongs to the company. Those are not always enforceable, and never unrestricted - and even if they apply, they might allow you to claim vast amounts of overtime.
As you can see this does get complicated, and you need a lawyer. But don't worry, these kinds of conflicts are usually resolved in negotiation, not court. This does not have to end up damaging your relationship.
One approach is to offer the current company to buy your work, or enter into a joint venture - an offer you will need to discuss with your lawyer before you make it.
add a comment |
Ideas are worthless, execution is what matters. And the company might have a claim to the execution.
Normally, employees are forbidden from competing with their employer during their free time, and there are already arguments that go both ways:
- By making the pitch, you implicitly admitted the idea is something your employer would pursue.
- By initially rejecting the idea your employer implicitly admitted the idea isn't something they would pursue.
Additionally, sometimes there are clauses that state anything you created while employed belongs to the company. Those are not always enforceable, and never unrestricted - and even if they apply, they might allow you to claim vast amounts of overtime.
As you can see this does get complicated, and you need a lawyer. But don't worry, these kinds of conflicts are usually resolved in negotiation, not court. This does not have to end up damaging your relationship.
One approach is to offer the current company to buy your work, or enter into a joint venture - an offer you will need to discuss with your lawyer before you make it.
Ideas are worthless, execution is what matters. And the company might have a claim to the execution.
Normally, employees are forbidden from competing with their employer during their free time, and there are already arguments that go both ways:
- By making the pitch, you implicitly admitted the idea is something your employer would pursue.
- By initially rejecting the idea your employer implicitly admitted the idea isn't something they would pursue.
Additionally, sometimes there are clauses that state anything you created while employed belongs to the company. Those are not always enforceable, and never unrestricted - and even if they apply, they might allow you to claim vast amounts of overtime.
As you can see this does get complicated, and you need a lawyer. But don't worry, these kinds of conflicts are usually resolved in negotiation, not court. This does not have to end up damaging your relationship.
One approach is to offer the current company to buy your work, or enter into a joint venture - an offer you will need to discuss with your lawyer before you make it.
answered 4 hours ago
PeterPeter
12.4k22245
12.4k22245
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Yes, I'm currently working under same employer. He just seem not interested while I awaited for a response after good 3 follow ups. VC is venture capitalist.
– Daemon
16 hours ago
10
What does your contract day about this sort of thing?
– Philip Kendall
16 hours ago
3
I feel like a non-compete agreement is more likely relevant here than actual IP. Again does your contract state anything in this regard?
– bruglesco
14 hours ago
what does your VC think about that?
– aaaaaa
8 hours ago
1
Oh also - the contract may not explicitly state "all your stuff are belong to us", but may be worded along lines of during your employment ... and elsewhere state you may not work for anyone else. I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
– Justin
7 hours ago