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Basic question about swap/swap spreads


Equivalency of FX forwards and FX basis swaps for risk-management purposeshow to derive yield curve from interest rate swap?Inflation-Linked Bonds & Asset Swap SpreadsACT/360 day convention in swap pricingBootstrapping bond spreads as in the standard CDS modelIs it possible to hedge Spread Risk on a Forward Swap?Basis risk, spreads and discountingValuing an interest rate swap using a par swaps curve?













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When I read up on swap spreads, the definition always goes something like this: The swap spread is the difference between the fixed leg of swap and a Treasury bond with the same maturity.



So if the fixed leg of a 10y swap is 8% and the Treasury bond has a rate of 5%, the spread is 3%. What confuses me about this is that I thought the fixed rate of the swap depends on the floating leg: If a company has a variable interest rate of Libor + 2%, they will probably get a different fixed rate in a swap compared to a company with Libor + 1%. And that would lead to a different swap spread.



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    When I read up on swap spreads, the definition always goes something like this: The swap spread is the difference between the fixed leg of swap and a Treasury bond with the same maturity.



    So if the fixed leg of a 10y swap is 8% and the Treasury bond has a rate of 5%, the spread is 3%. What confuses me about this is that I thought the fixed rate of the swap depends on the floating leg: If a company has a variable interest rate of Libor + 2%, they will probably get a different fixed rate in a swap compared to a company with Libor + 1%. And that would lead to a different swap spread.



    Could someone point out where my mistake is?










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      When I read up on swap spreads, the definition always goes something like this: The swap spread is the difference between the fixed leg of swap and a Treasury bond with the same maturity.



      So if the fixed leg of a 10y swap is 8% and the Treasury bond has a rate of 5%, the spread is 3%. What confuses me about this is that I thought the fixed rate of the swap depends on the floating leg: If a company has a variable interest rate of Libor + 2%, they will probably get a different fixed rate in a swap compared to a company with Libor + 1%. And that would lead to a different swap spread.



      Could someone point out where my mistake is?










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      When I read up on swap spreads, the definition always goes something like this: The swap spread is the difference between the fixed leg of swap and a Treasury bond with the same maturity.



      So if the fixed leg of a 10y swap is 8% and the Treasury bond has a rate of 5%, the spread is 3%. What confuses me about this is that I thought the fixed rate of the swap depends on the floating leg: If a company has a variable interest rate of Libor + 2%, they will probably get a different fixed rate in a swap compared to a company with Libor + 1%. And that would lead to a different swap spread.



      Could someone point out where my mistake is?







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          Yes that’s pretty simple : for the purposes of defining the swap spread, we assume that the libor leg of the swap is at libor flat.






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            Sorry, not sure I understand what "being at LIBOR flat" means for a swap. Do you mean that it is assumed that the floating leg rate is just the LIBOR, hence the swap spread is just: IRS fixed rate - Treasury Bond rate (i.e. 3% in the example above)?
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            Yes , correct. Just fyi , swap spreads have never been anywhere near 3% in the US. Right now the 10yr swap spread is close to zero.
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            (1) "Libor flat" is another way of saying Libor+0%, (2) You are probably reading a book about swaps from the 1980's if it uses examples with 8% and 5%
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          $begingroup$

          Yes that’s pretty simple : for the purposes of defining the swap spread, we assume that the libor leg of the swap is at libor flat.






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          • $begingroup$
            Sorry, not sure I understand what "being at LIBOR flat" means for a swap. Do you mean that it is assumed that the floating leg rate is just the LIBOR, hence the swap spread is just: IRS fixed rate - Treasury Bond rate (i.e. 3% in the example above)?
            $endgroup$
            – JejeBelfort
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            $begingroup$
            Yes , correct. Just fyi , swap spreads have never been anywhere near 3% in the US. Right now the 10yr swap spread is close to zero.
            $endgroup$
            – dm63
            3 hours ago










          • $begingroup$
            (1) "Libor flat" is another way of saying Libor+0%, (2) You are probably reading a book about swaps from the 1980's if it uses examples with 8% and 5%
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          $begingroup$

          Yes that’s pretty simple : for the purposes of defining the swap spread, we assume that the libor leg of the swap is at libor flat.






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          • $begingroup$
            Sorry, not sure I understand what "being at LIBOR flat" means for a swap. Do you mean that it is assumed that the floating leg rate is just the LIBOR, hence the swap spread is just: IRS fixed rate - Treasury Bond rate (i.e. 3% in the example above)?
            $endgroup$
            – JejeBelfort
            3 hours ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Yes , correct. Just fyi , swap spreads have never been anywhere near 3% in the US. Right now the 10yr swap spread is close to zero.
            $endgroup$
            – dm63
            3 hours ago










          • $begingroup$
            (1) "Libor flat" is another way of saying Libor+0%, (2) You are probably reading a book about swaps from the 1980's if it uses examples with 8% and 5%
            $endgroup$
            – Alex C
            1 hour ago














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          Yes that’s pretty simple : for the purposes of defining the swap spread, we assume that the libor leg of the swap is at libor flat.






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          Yes that’s pretty simple : for the purposes of defining the swap spread, we assume that the libor leg of the swap is at libor flat.







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          • $begingroup$
            Sorry, not sure I understand what "being at LIBOR flat" means for a swap. Do you mean that it is assumed that the floating leg rate is just the LIBOR, hence the swap spread is just: IRS fixed rate - Treasury Bond rate (i.e. 3% in the example above)?
            $endgroup$
            – JejeBelfort
            3 hours ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Yes , correct. Just fyi , swap spreads have never been anywhere near 3% in the US. Right now the 10yr swap spread is close to zero.
            $endgroup$
            – dm63
            3 hours ago










          • $begingroup$
            (1) "Libor flat" is another way of saying Libor+0%, (2) You are probably reading a book about swaps from the 1980's if it uses examples with 8% and 5%
            $endgroup$
            – Alex C
            1 hour ago

















          • $begingroup$
            Sorry, not sure I understand what "being at LIBOR flat" means for a swap. Do you mean that it is assumed that the floating leg rate is just the LIBOR, hence the swap spread is just: IRS fixed rate - Treasury Bond rate (i.e. 3% in the example above)?
            $endgroup$
            – JejeBelfort
            3 hours ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Yes , correct. Just fyi , swap spreads have never been anywhere near 3% in the US. Right now the 10yr swap spread is close to zero.
            $endgroup$
            – dm63
            3 hours ago










          • $begingroup$
            (1) "Libor flat" is another way of saying Libor+0%, (2) You are probably reading a book about swaps from the 1980's if it uses examples with 8% and 5%
            $endgroup$
            – Alex C
            1 hour ago
















          $begingroup$
          Sorry, not sure I understand what "being at LIBOR flat" means for a swap. Do you mean that it is assumed that the floating leg rate is just the LIBOR, hence the swap spread is just: IRS fixed rate - Treasury Bond rate (i.e. 3% in the example above)?
          $endgroup$
          – JejeBelfort
          3 hours ago




          $begingroup$
          Sorry, not sure I understand what "being at LIBOR flat" means for a swap. Do you mean that it is assumed that the floating leg rate is just the LIBOR, hence the swap spread is just: IRS fixed rate - Treasury Bond rate (i.e. 3% in the example above)?
          $endgroup$
          – JejeBelfort
          3 hours ago




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          Yes , correct. Just fyi , swap spreads have never been anywhere near 3% in the US. Right now the 10yr swap spread is close to zero.
          $endgroup$
          – dm63
          3 hours ago




          $begingroup$
          Yes , correct. Just fyi , swap spreads have never been anywhere near 3% in the US. Right now the 10yr swap spread is close to zero.
          $endgroup$
          – dm63
          3 hours ago












          $begingroup$
          (1) "Libor flat" is another way of saying Libor+0%, (2) You are probably reading a book about swaps from the 1980's if it uses examples with 8% and 5%
          $endgroup$
          – Alex C
          1 hour ago





          $begingroup$
          (1) "Libor flat" is another way of saying Libor+0%, (2) You are probably reading a book about swaps from the 1980's if it uses examples with 8% and 5%
          $endgroup$
          – Alex C
          1 hour ago


















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