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The question pretty much says it all. I've had this experience in multiple houses, so I presume it's not just caused by some sort of one-off issue with an AC or thermostat. It seems strange and inefficient though, so I'm wondering if something might be done to minimize the apparent waste here (better insulation in attic?), but I'm not sure what the root cause is, and therefore don't know where I might start.
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I'm a life-long Florida resident and have had this experience in a few houses. I've noticed that even when it is cooler outside than in (say the AC is set to 80 and the weather is 76-78 outside), my AC still runs periodically throughout the day. Note that the obvious answer is "Just open the windows", but for those not familiar it is usually 80%-90% humidity outside, and even 76 degrees isn't pleasant at 80% humidity (it's also a recipe for mold, which has been a problem for me). Basically, there are only 1 or 2 months of the year when it is both cool and dry enough to open your windows in Florida (IMO).
In that sense having the AC run periodically is not actually crazy, mainly just to keep the humidity down. However, it still seems strange to me that if the AC should kick on at all if it is 2-5 degrees cooler outside than the temperature I have the AC set to.
I know that 2-5 degrees is not a big temperature difference, but I think the temperature difference is real. AKA my thermostat isn't off and actually keeping the house a few degrees colder, or the weather isn't reporting the outside temperature cooler than it actually is, etc... It's actually cooler outside than in.
I realize this is likely house-dependent, but I've lived in more or less the same "kind" of house for the past decade or so: wood frame, insulation-in-attic, single pane windows, and a few trees around providing shade for the house (although certainly not enough to shade the entire roof).
I presume this is a sign of some general inefficiencies in my house's thermal-insulation-design. Why might my house be heating up even when its cool outside?
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Summary
The question pretty much says it all. I've had this experience in multiple houses, so I presume it's not just caused by some sort of one-off issue with an AC or thermostat. It seems strange and inefficient though, so I'm wondering if something might be done to minimize the apparent waste here (better insulation in attic?), but I'm not sure what the root cause is, and therefore don't know where I might start.
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I'm a life-long Florida resident and have had this experience in a few houses. I've noticed that even when it is cooler outside than in (say the AC is set to 80 and the weather is 76-78 outside), my AC still runs periodically throughout the day. Note that the obvious answer is "Just open the windows", but for those not familiar it is usually 80%-90% humidity outside, and even 76 degrees isn't pleasant at 80% humidity (it's also a recipe for mold, which has been a problem for me). Basically, there are only 1 or 2 months of the year when it is both cool and dry enough to open your windows in Florida (IMO).
In that sense having the AC run periodically is not actually crazy, mainly just to keep the humidity down. However, it still seems strange to me that if the AC should kick on at all if it is 2-5 degrees cooler outside than the temperature I have the AC set to.
I know that 2-5 degrees is not a big temperature difference, but I think the temperature difference is real. AKA my thermostat isn't off and actually keeping the house a few degrees colder, or the weather isn't reporting the outside temperature cooler than it actually is, etc... It's actually cooler outside than in.
I realize this is likely house-dependent, but I've lived in more or less the same "kind" of house for the past decade or so: wood frame, insulation-in-attic, single pane windows, and a few trees around providing shade for the house (although certainly not enough to shade the entire roof).
I presume this is a sign of some general inefficiencies in my house's thermal-insulation-design. Why might my house be heating up even when its cool outside?
hvac cooling
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Your thermostat (which controls the AC) doesn't know what the outside temperature is, it only knows what the inside temperature is at the specific location where it is installed. If the temperature it measures is higher than the setpoint you've selected, then it commands the AC to run to reduce the temperature inside.
– brhans
13 hours ago
1
My personal suspicion is that direct solar flux on my roof is heating up the attic (reference: attics are hot) and therefore what is going on is that poor insulation in the attic is allowing the heat from my attic to warm up the house faster than cool air from outside leaks in though my windows/walls.
– conman
12 hours ago
6
That may or may not be true - but either way it's irrelevant. Your thermostat does not 'know' what the outside temperature is.. All it 'knows' is that the temperature it's measuring is higher than the setpoint you've set it to, so it runs the AC.
– brhans
12 hours ago
1
Seems like you'd want to tell us something about your insulation (type, quantity) and other aspects of your home if you're seeking opinions on that. What you describe is perfectly normal and expected, laws of physics being what they are. If you're looking for ways to improve the situation, please revise to add detail.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
1
@conman Last year I installed a whole house fan. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
– JACK
12 hours ago
|
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Summary
The question pretty much says it all. I've had this experience in multiple houses, so I presume it's not just caused by some sort of one-off issue with an AC or thermostat. It seems strange and inefficient though, so I'm wondering if something might be done to minimize the apparent waste here (better insulation in attic?), but I'm not sure what the root cause is, and therefore don't know where I might start.
More Details
I'm a life-long Florida resident and have had this experience in a few houses. I've noticed that even when it is cooler outside than in (say the AC is set to 80 and the weather is 76-78 outside), my AC still runs periodically throughout the day. Note that the obvious answer is "Just open the windows", but for those not familiar it is usually 80%-90% humidity outside, and even 76 degrees isn't pleasant at 80% humidity (it's also a recipe for mold, which has been a problem for me). Basically, there are only 1 or 2 months of the year when it is both cool and dry enough to open your windows in Florida (IMO).
In that sense having the AC run periodically is not actually crazy, mainly just to keep the humidity down. However, it still seems strange to me that if the AC should kick on at all if it is 2-5 degrees cooler outside than the temperature I have the AC set to.
I know that 2-5 degrees is not a big temperature difference, but I think the temperature difference is real. AKA my thermostat isn't off and actually keeping the house a few degrees colder, or the weather isn't reporting the outside temperature cooler than it actually is, etc... It's actually cooler outside than in.
I realize this is likely house-dependent, but I've lived in more or less the same "kind" of house for the past decade or so: wood frame, insulation-in-attic, single pane windows, and a few trees around providing shade for the house (although certainly not enough to shade the entire roof).
I presume this is a sign of some general inefficiencies in my house's thermal-insulation-design. Why might my house be heating up even when its cool outside?
hvac cooling
Summary
The question pretty much says it all. I've had this experience in multiple houses, so I presume it's not just caused by some sort of one-off issue with an AC or thermostat. It seems strange and inefficient though, so I'm wondering if something might be done to minimize the apparent waste here (better insulation in attic?), but I'm not sure what the root cause is, and therefore don't know where I might start.
More Details
I'm a life-long Florida resident and have had this experience in a few houses. I've noticed that even when it is cooler outside than in (say the AC is set to 80 and the weather is 76-78 outside), my AC still runs periodically throughout the day. Note that the obvious answer is "Just open the windows", but for those not familiar it is usually 80%-90% humidity outside, and even 76 degrees isn't pleasant at 80% humidity (it's also a recipe for mold, which has been a problem for me). Basically, there are only 1 or 2 months of the year when it is both cool and dry enough to open your windows in Florida (IMO).
In that sense having the AC run periodically is not actually crazy, mainly just to keep the humidity down. However, it still seems strange to me that if the AC should kick on at all if it is 2-5 degrees cooler outside than the temperature I have the AC set to.
I know that 2-5 degrees is not a big temperature difference, but I think the temperature difference is real. AKA my thermostat isn't off and actually keeping the house a few degrees colder, or the weather isn't reporting the outside temperature cooler than it actually is, etc... It's actually cooler outside than in.
I realize this is likely house-dependent, but I've lived in more or less the same "kind" of house for the past decade or so: wood frame, insulation-in-attic, single pane windows, and a few trees around providing shade for the house (although certainly not enough to shade the entire roof).
I presume this is a sign of some general inefficiencies in my house's thermal-insulation-design. Why might my house be heating up even when its cool outside?
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Your thermostat (which controls the AC) doesn't know what the outside temperature is, it only knows what the inside temperature is at the specific location where it is installed. If the temperature it measures is higher than the setpoint you've selected, then it commands the AC to run to reduce the temperature inside.
– brhans
13 hours ago
1
My personal suspicion is that direct solar flux on my roof is heating up the attic (reference: attics are hot) and therefore what is going on is that poor insulation in the attic is allowing the heat from my attic to warm up the house faster than cool air from outside leaks in though my windows/walls.
– conman
12 hours ago
6
That may or may not be true - but either way it's irrelevant. Your thermostat does not 'know' what the outside temperature is.. All it 'knows' is that the temperature it's measuring is higher than the setpoint you've set it to, so it runs the AC.
– brhans
12 hours ago
1
Seems like you'd want to tell us something about your insulation (type, quantity) and other aspects of your home if you're seeking opinions on that. What you describe is perfectly normal and expected, laws of physics being what they are. If you're looking for ways to improve the situation, please revise to add detail.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
1
@conman Last year I installed a whole house fan. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
– JACK
12 hours ago
|
show 8 more comments
15
Your thermostat (which controls the AC) doesn't know what the outside temperature is, it only knows what the inside temperature is at the specific location where it is installed. If the temperature it measures is higher than the setpoint you've selected, then it commands the AC to run to reduce the temperature inside.
– brhans
13 hours ago
1
My personal suspicion is that direct solar flux on my roof is heating up the attic (reference: attics are hot) and therefore what is going on is that poor insulation in the attic is allowing the heat from my attic to warm up the house faster than cool air from outside leaks in though my windows/walls.
– conman
12 hours ago
6
That may or may not be true - but either way it's irrelevant. Your thermostat does not 'know' what the outside temperature is.. All it 'knows' is that the temperature it's measuring is higher than the setpoint you've set it to, so it runs the AC.
– brhans
12 hours ago
1
Seems like you'd want to tell us something about your insulation (type, quantity) and other aspects of your home if you're seeking opinions on that. What you describe is perfectly normal and expected, laws of physics being what they are. If you're looking for ways to improve the situation, please revise to add detail.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
1
@conman Last year I installed a whole house fan. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
– JACK
12 hours ago
15
15
Your thermostat (which controls the AC) doesn't know what the outside temperature is, it only knows what the inside temperature is at the specific location where it is installed. If the temperature it measures is higher than the setpoint you've selected, then it commands the AC to run to reduce the temperature inside.
– brhans
13 hours ago
Your thermostat (which controls the AC) doesn't know what the outside temperature is, it only knows what the inside temperature is at the specific location where it is installed. If the temperature it measures is higher than the setpoint you've selected, then it commands the AC to run to reduce the temperature inside.
– brhans
13 hours ago
1
1
My personal suspicion is that direct solar flux on my roof is heating up the attic (reference: attics are hot) and therefore what is going on is that poor insulation in the attic is allowing the heat from my attic to warm up the house faster than cool air from outside leaks in though my windows/walls.
– conman
12 hours ago
My personal suspicion is that direct solar flux on my roof is heating up the attic (reference: attics are hot) and therefore what is going on is that poor insulation in the attic is allowing the heat from my attic to warm up the house faster than cool air from outside leaks in though my windows/walls.
– conman
12 hours ago
6
6
That may or may not be true - but either way it's irrelevant. Your thermostat does not 'know' what the outside temperature is.. All it 'knows' is that the temperature it's measuring is higher than the setpoint you've set it to, so it runs the AC.
– brhans
12 hours ago
That may or may not be true - but either way it's irrelevant. Your thermostat does not 'know' what the outside temperature is.. All it 'knows' is that the temperature it's measuring is higher than the setpoint you've set it to, so it runs the AC.
– brhans
12 hours ago
1
1
Seems like you'd want to tell us something about your insulation (type, quantity) and other aspects of your home if you're seeking opinions on that. What you describe is perfectly normal and expected, laws of physics being what they are. If you're looking for ways to improve the situation, please revise to add detail.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
Seems like you'd want to tell us something about your insulation (type, quantity) and other aspects of your home if you're seeking opinions on that. What you describe is perfectly normal and expected, laws of physics being what they are. If you're looking for ways to improve the situation, please revise to add detail.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
1
1
@conman Last year I installed a whole house fan. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
– JACK
12 hours ago
@conman Last year I installed a whole house fan. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
– JACK
12 hours ago
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Because you have indoor heat sources
There's a lot of reasons your house will get warmer than the outside temp, but this is the single largest one.
- The human body produces as much as 400 BTU at any given time.
- Your refrigerator can give off close to 500 BTUs
- A TV can use about 20-30 watts, or about 70-100 BTUs
- Stoves and ovens add varying BTUs, but don't constantly run either
Add all these up and you'll find your house reaches the necessary temp to kick on, even if it is cooler outside
I'm not sure why neither the fridge nor myself occurred to me, lol! I work from home and we homeschool, so there are literally 7 people home all day long... in retrospect it may not even be my house's fault...
– conman
12 hours ago
5
I have a hard time with the notion that a few bodies and appliances contributes anything near the heat that solar gain does. Surely it's a factor, but a minor one.
– isherwood
10 hours ago
1
@isherwood My thoughts exactly. Simply closing the blinds during the day can have a huge impact. A lot depends on the position/size of the windows and whether the roof has a major overhang but it's a likely source of the problem.
– JimmyJames
4 hours ago
These are all true, but likely tiny contributors in comparison to the sun.
– R..
40 mins ago
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Meet solar gain
For the most vivid example of solar gain, sit in your car with everything off - A/C off, blower off, windows rolled up tight, doors shut tight. You can't. Your body will force you to open a door or something because it will become unbearably hot within minutes.
If it were always night, or if your house were entirely in shade, this would not be an issue. However, your house is in sun, and that means it is being actively heated by about 100 watts (300 BTU/hr) per square foot.
That's really a square foot directly facing the sun, so it'll be less if you're not at the equator at noon... but walls count too, so that's kind of a wash. The reflectivity of the roof and walls help. So let's say all in all, 50% gets through.
This is why a car with 48 square feet of cabin gets so hot so fast - it's intaking 2400 watts/8000 BTU/hr of heat. That's the heating power of an oven.
So, your 1000sf house, is absorbing 50,000 watts of heat, or about 150,000 BTU/hr, from solar gain.
Yes, this is a stupidly large amount of energy. Too bad we can't harness it for something, eh? :)
Insulation slows it down. But only slows it. Given enough time, it still gets through.
Thermal "mass" works both for and against you. The thermal mass inside the insulation envelope helps your house resist changes in temperature. However the thermal mass outside the insulation envelope (roof, joists etc.) has been warmed by the sun all day, has reached 120-140F, and holds that heat for a few hours after sunset. That means its high heat is still trying to push through the insulation even after the sun has gone down. Conversely in the morning, even with full sun, you get some relief before the roof and joists heat up.
Not worth worrying about
Your A/C unit interchanges with air, and as you say, air is cool.
The ultimate heat sink is cooler than the thing it's cooling. So effectively, your A/C unit is pushing heat "downhill". Freon engines are quite efficient here. You can check it with a load monitor (if the cycle length doesn't make it obvious), but you probably aren't using all that much power.
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To add to the AC unit running when it's cooler outside, this is actually really the way heat sinks want to work. They want to move heat to a colder location, so they can cool the refrigerant more. When it's hot out, the refrigerant can't get as cool, so it's not removing as much heat from your house as when it's colder outside.
– computercarguy
3 hours ago
This is very misleading. Sure, every square foot of your house is receiving a ton of heat from the sun — so is every other square foot of the daylit side of the earth. They don't heat up to oven-like temperatures because they're also radiating heat away at pretty close to the same rate, and the net heating power is very much smaller (or negative, in the late afternoon). In the absence of other effects that capture heat, the sun would heat the inside of the house to the same exact temperature as the outside.
– hobbs
2 hours ago
@hobbs so according to your theory, earth sheltering a home shouldn't do much since roofs and earth should be equivalent. That's not true. Also many soils do get very hot. Examples are the desert, roadway surfaces, etc. What helps most other surfaces is deep mass: nobody cares if the road and 2 feet of mass under the road gets hot. Also, where soil is vegetation covered and watered, the dirt can do two things roofs cannot: absorb energy via photosynthesis, and use latent heat of vaporization of water. Your comparison of "roofs" to "every other square foot of earth" doesn't hold up.
– Harper
1 hour ago
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Because an Air Conditioner doesn't give any airflow between inside and outside. An AC is essentially a refrigerator. Inside is the conditioned space, and outside is the heat dump (i.e. the back of the fridge where it's hot) The heat is transferred from inside to outside via the liquid coolant - it evaporates inside, collecting heat due to the latent heat of vapourization, and compresses inside, giving off this heat. This is a closed system, contained almost entirely in sealed copper pipe.
There is no air transfer between outside and inside. So, if your inside temperature is higher than the thermostat set point, the AC will run -- regardless of the outside temperature. If you want to take advantage of the lower outside temperatures, then you need to bring outside air in. i.e. Open a window, which you have good reason NOT to do given the humidity.
As a simple thought experiment, we could remove all insulation from the house, and then your internal temperature would be a better match to the outside, as the purpose of insulation is to significantly reduce heat transfer through the walls and roof. However, this plan would be advantageous for only a few days of the year.
In addition to Machavity's answer, I'd also like to comment on solar warming. The sun hits your roof, and adds heat. This heat transfer is mitigated by the roof insulation, but not eliminated. Another source is the sun hitting the windows. Even if you have curtains or internal blinds, a lot of heat enters the house this way. The best way to mitigate this is with external blinds or shutters. These stop the sun from hitting the glass and causing a greenhouse effect.
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There's nothing wrong with your thermal insulation design. Insulation is designed to isolate your inside temperature from the outside temperature. So your a.c. is set to 80 degrees, then at 3am the temp outside slowly drops to 76 degrees... it will take hours for your inside temp to see the difference because you attic is still going to be hot. By the time it could see the difference, the outside weather is heating up.
The same happens in the winter. Your inside temp is at 78 degrees, we have a cold snap (yes, I live in Fl too) and the temp drops down to 40 degrees, your inside pretty much stays the same. Hope this helps.
Last year I installed a whole house fan similar to the one below. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
While I mostly agree, we can't say that there's nothing wrong with the insulation because we know nothing about it. There may be gains to be had by modernizing, especially in the attic.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
This largely conforms to my suspicions. In other words, this is likely a sign that my house heats up a lot due to the heat in my attic. i.e. better something in the attic may help with my overall AC usage.
– conman
12 hours ago
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In addition to the other answers that address your question for the most part, there is one more possibility I can think of. It is possible that your AC is not only trying to get the inside temperature to the target,but also the humidity.
Some high-end thermostats will have a humidistat built in, while it is a separate unit in other cases. Regardless, some AC systems are setup to also run when the humidity inside is too high. Some systems have special modes for this, that somehow don't cool as much, but pull more humidity out of the air they handle (probably at a loss in efficiency, but I don't know for sure how this works), while others just run like normal, causing it to get colder than your target temp inside. In US brands, I think one that I've seen the built in de-humidifcation feature a lot is Trane, but others may have it also.
That's helpful to know. I own my current house (which needs a new AC soon), but my previous houses were rentals and definitely did not have high-end thermostats. That may be of interest to me in the future though!
– conman
11 hours ago
Do you know keywords to search for to buy such a thermostat? I've considered rigging one up just to avoid having to constantly adjust the setting to ensure that the AC runs sufficiently often to eliminate humidity without wasting lots of energy midday on hot days.
– R..
1 min ago
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Because you have indoor heat sources
There's a lot of reasons your house will get warmer than the outside temp, but this is the single largest one.
- The human body produces as much as 400 BTU at any given time.
- Your refrigerator can give off close to 500 BTUs
- A TV can use about 20-30 watts, or about 70-100 BTUs
- Stoves and ovens add varying BTUs, but don't constantly run either
Add all these up and you'll find your house reaches the necessary temp to kick on, even if it is cooler outside
I'm not sure why neither the fridge nor myself occurred to me, lol! I work from home and we homeschool, so there are literally 7 people home all day long... in retrospect it may not even be my house's fault...
– conman
12 hours ago
5
I have a hard time with the notion that a few bodies and appliances contributes anything near the heat that solar gain does. Surely it's a factor, but a minor one.
– isherwood
10 hours ago
1
@isherwood My thoughts exactly. Simply closing the blinds during the day can have a huge impact. A lot depends on the position/size of the windows and whether the roof has a major overhang but it's a likely source of the problem.
– JimmyJames
4 hours ago
These are all true, but likely tiny contributors in comparison to the sun.
– R..
40 mins ago
add a comment |
Because you have indoor heat sources
There's a lot of reasons your house will get warmer than the outside temp, but this is the single largest one.
- The human body produces as much as 400 BTU at any given time.
- Your refrigerator can give off close to 500 BTUs
- A TV can use about 20-30 watts, or about 70-100 BTUs
- Stoves and ovens add varying BTUs, but don't constantly run either
Add all these up and you'll find your house reaches the necessary temp to kick on, even if it is cooler outside
I'm not sure why neither the fridge nor myself occurred to me, lol! I work from home and we homeschool, so there are literally 7 people home all day long... in retrospect it may not even be my house's fault...
– conman
12 hours ago
5
I have a hard time with the notion that a few bodies and appliances contributes anything near the heat that solar gain does. Surely it's a factor, but a minor one.
– isherwood
10 hours ago
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@isherwood My thoughts exactly. Simply closing the blinds during the day can have a huge impact. A lot depends on the position/size of the windows and whether the roof has a major overhang but it's a likely source of the problem.
– JimmyJames
4 hours ago
These are all true, but likely tiny contributors in comparison to the sun.
– R..
40 mins ago
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Because you have indoor heat sources
There's a lot of reasons your house will get warmer than the outside temp, but this is the single largest one.
- The human body produces as much as 400 BTU at any given time.
- Your refrigerator can give off close to 500 BTUs
- A TV can use about 20-30 watts, or about 70-100 BTUs
- Stoves and ovens add varying BTUs, but don't constantly run either
Add all these up and you'll find your house reaches the necessary temp to kick on, even if it is cooler outside
Because you have indoor heat sources
There's a lot of reasons your house will get warmer than the outside temp, but this is the single largest one.
- The human body produces as much as 400 BTU at any given time.
- Your refrigerator can give off close to 500 BTUs
- A TV can use about 20-30 watts, or about 70-100 BTUs
- Stoves and ovens add varying BTUs, but don't constantly run either
Add all these up and you'll find your house reaches the necessary temp to kick on, even if it is cooler outside
answered 12 hours ago
MachavityMachavity
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I'm not sure why neither the fridge nor myself occurred to me, lol! I work from home and we homeschool, so there are literally 7 people home all day long... in retrospect it may not even be my house's fault...
– conman
12 hours ago
5
I have a hard time with the notion that a few bodies and appliances contributes anything near the heat that solar gain does. Surely it's a factor, but a minor one.
– isherwood
10 hours ago
1
@isherwood My thoughts exactly. Simply closing the blinds during the day can have a huge impact. A lot depends on the position/size of the windows and whether the roof has a major overhang but it's a likely source of the problem.
– JimmyJames
4 hours ago
These are all true, but likely tiny contributors in comparison to the sun.
– R..
40 mins ago
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I'm not sure why neither the fridge nor myself occurred to me, lol! I work from home and we homeschool, so there are literally 7 people home all day long... in retrospect it may not even be my house's fault...
– conman
12 hours ago
5
I have a hard time with the notion that a few bodies and appliances contributes anything near the heat that solar gain does. Surely it's a factor, but a minor one.
– isherwood
10 hours ago
1
@isherwood My thoughts exactly. Simply closing the blinds during the day can have a huge impact. A lot depends on the position/size of the windows and whether the roof has a major overhang but it's a likely source of the problem.
– JimmyJames
4 hours ago
These are all true, but likely tiny contributors in comparison to the sun.
– R..
40 mins ago
I'm not sure why neither the fridge nor myself occurred to me, lol! I work from home and we homeschool, so there are literally 7 people home all day long... in retrospect it may not even be my house's fault...
– conman
12 hours ago
I'm not sure why neither the fridge nor myself occurred to me, lol! I work from home and we homeschool, so there are literally 7 people home all day long... in retrospect it may not even be my house's fault...
– conman
12 hours ago
5
5
I have a hard time with the notion that a few bodies and appliances contributes anything near the heat that solar gain does. Surely it's a factor, but a minor one.
– isherwood
10 hours ago
I have a hard time with the notion that a few bodies and appliances contributes anything near the heat that solar gain does. Surely it's a factor, but a minor one.
– isherwood
10 hours ago
1
1
@isherwood My thoughts exactly. Simply closing the blinds during the day can have a huge impact. A lot depends on the position/size of the windows and whether the roof has a major overhang but it's a likely source of the problem.
– JimmyJames
4 hours ago
@isherwood My thoughts exactly. Simply closing the blinds during the day can have a huge impact. A lot depends on the position/size of the windows and whether the roof has a major overhang but it's a likely source of the problem.
– JimmyJames
4 hours ago
These are all true, but likely tiny contributors in comparison to the sun.
– R..
40 mins ago
These are all true, but likely tiny contributors in comparison to the sun.
– R..
40 mins ago
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Meet solar gain
For the most vivid example of solar gain, sit in your car with everything off - A/C off, blower off, windows rolled up tight, doors shut tight. You can't. Your body will force you to open a door or something because it will become unbearably hot within minutes.
If it were always night, or if your house were entirely in shade, this would not be an issue. However, your house is in sun, and that means it is being actively heated by about 100 watts (300 BTU/hr) per square foot.
That's really a square foot directly facing the sun, so it'll be less if you're not at the equator at noon... but walls count too, so that's kind of a wash. The reflectivity of the roof and walls help. So let's say all in all, 50% gets through.
This is why a car with 48 square feet of cabin gets so hot so fast - it's intaking 2400 watts/8000 BTU/hr of heat. That's the heating power of an oven.
So, your 1000sf house, is absorbing 50,000 watts of heat, or about 150,000 BTU/hr, from solar gain.
Yes, this is a stupidly large amount of energy. Too bad we can't harness it for something, eh? :)
Insulation slows it down. But only slows it. Given enough time, it still gets through.
Thermal "mass" works both for and against you. The thermal mass inside the insulation envelope helps your house resist changes in temperature. However the thermal mass outside the insulation envelope (roof, joists etc.) has been warmed by the sun all day, has reached 120-140F, and holds that heat for a few hours after sunset. That means its high heat is still trying to push through the insulation even after the sun has gone down. Conversely in the morning, even with full sun, you get some relief before the roof and joists heat up.
Not worth worrying about
Your A/C unit interchanges with air, and as you say, air is cool.
The ultimate heat sink is cooler than the thing it's cooling. So effectively, your A/C unit is pushing heat "downhill". Freon engines are quite efficient here. You can check it with a load monitor (if the cycle length doesn't make it obvious), but you probably aren't using all that much power.
1
To add to the AC unit running when it's cooler outside, this is actually really the way heat sinks want to work. They want to move heat to a colder location, so they can cool the refrigerant more. When it's hot out, the refrigerant can't get as cool, so it's not removing as much heat from your house as when it's colder outside.
– computercarguy
3 hours ago
This is very misleading. Sure, every square foot of your house is receiving a ton of heat from the sun — so is every other square foot of the daylit side of the earth. They don't heat up to oven-like temperatures because they're also radiating heat away at pretty close to the same rate, and the net heating power is very much smaller (or negative, in the late afternoon). In the absence of other effects that capture heat, the sun would heat the inside of the house to the same exact temperature as the outside.
– hobbs
2 hours ago
@hobbs so according to your theory, earth sheltering a home shouldn't do much since roofs and earth should be equivalent. That's not true. Also many soils do get very hot. Examples are the desert, roadway surfaces, etc. What helps most other surfaces is deep mass: nobody cares if the road and 2 feet of mass under the road gets hot. Also, where soil is vegetation covered and watered, the dirt can do two things roofs cannot: absorb energy via photosynthesis, and use latent heat of vaporization of water. Your comparison of "roofs" to "every other square foot of earth" doesn't hold up.
– Harper
1 hour ago
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Meet solar gain
For the most vivid example of solar gain, sit in your car with everything off - A/C off, blower off, windows rolled up tight, doors shut tight. You can't. Your body will force you to open a door or something because it will become unbearably hot within minutes.
If it were always night, or if your house were entirely in shade, this would not be an issue. However, your house is in sun, and that means it is being actively heated by about 100 watts (300 BTU/hr) per square foot.
That's really a square foot directly facing the sun, so it'll be less if you're not at the equator at noon... but walls count too, so that's kind of a wash. The reflectivity of the roof and walls help. So let's say all in all, 50% gets through.
This is why a car with 48 square feet of cabin gets so hot so fast - it's intaking 2400 watts/8000 BTU/hr of heat. That's the heating power of an oven.
So, your 1000sf house, is absorbing 50,000 watts of heat, or about 150,000 BTU/hr, from solar gain.
Yes, this is a stupidly large amount of energy. Too bad we can't harness it for something, eh? :)
Insulation slows it down. But only slows it. Given enough time, it still gets through.
Thermal "mass" works both for and against you. The thermal mass inside the insulation envelope helps your house resist changes in temperature. However the thermal mass outside the insulation envelope (roof, joists etc.) has been warmed by the sun all day, has reached 120-140F, and holds that heat for a few hours after sunset. That means its high heat is still trying to push through the insulation even after the sun has gone down. Conversely in the morning, even with full sun, you get some relief before the roof and joists heat up.
Not worth worrying about
Your A/C unit interchanges with air, and as you say, air is cool.
The ultimate heat sink is cooler than the thing it's cooling. So effectively, your A/C unit is pushing heat "downhill". Freon engines are quite efficient here. You can check it with a load monitor (if the cycle length doesn't make it obvious), but you probably aren't using all that much power.
1
To add to the AC unit running when it's cooler outside, this is actually really the way heat sinks want to work. They want to move heat to a colder location, so they can cool the refrigerant more. When it's hot out, the refrigerant can't get as cool, so it's not removing as much heat from your house as when it's colder outside.
– computercarguy
3 hours ago
This is very misleading. Sure, every square foot of your house is receiving a ton of heat from the sun — so is every other square foot of the daylit side of the earth. They don't heat up to oven-like temperatures because they're also radiating heat away at pretty close to the same rate, and the net heating power is very much smaller (or negative, in the late afternoon). In the absence of other effects that capture heat, the sun would heat the inside of the house to the same exact temperature as the outside.
– hobbs
2 hours ago
@hobbs so according to your theory, earth sheltering a home shouldn't do much since roofs and earth should be equivalent. That's not true. Also many soils do get very hot. Examples are the desert, roadway surfaces, etc. What helps most other surfaces is deep mass: nobody cares if the road and 2 feet of mass under the road gets hot. Also, where soil is vegetation covered and watered, the dirt can do two things roofs cannot: absorb energy via photosynthesis, and use latent heat of vaporization of water. Your comparison of "roofs" to "every other square foot of earth" doesn't hold up.
– Harper
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Meet solar gain
For the most vivid example of solar gain, sit in your car with everything off - A/C off, blower off, windows rolled up tight, doors shut tight. You can't. Your body will force you to open a door or something because it will become unbearably hot within minutes.
If it were always night, or if your house were entirely in shade, this would not be an issue. However, your house is in sun, and that means it is being actively heated by about 100 watts (300 BTU/hr) per square foot.
That's really a square foot directly facing the sun, so it'll be less if you're not at the equator at noon... but walls count too, so that's kind of a wash. The reflectivity of the roof and walls help. So let's say all in all, 50% gets through.
This is why a car with 48 square feet of cabin gets so hot so fast - it's intaking 2400 watts/8000 BTU/hr of heat. That's the heating power of an oven.
So, your 1000sf house, is absorbing 50,000 watts of heat, or about 150,000 BTU/hr, from solar gain.
Yes, this is a stupidly large amount of energy. Too bad we can't harness it for something, eh? :)
Insulation slows it down. But only slows it. Given enough time, it still gets through.
Thermal "mass" works both for and against you. The thermal mass inside the insulation envelope helps your house resist changes in temperature. However the thermal mass outside the insulation envelope (roof, joists etc.) has been warmed by the sun all day, has reached 120-140F, and holds that heat for a few hours after sunset. That means its high heat is still trying to push through the insulation even after the sun has gone down. Conversely in the morning, even with full sun, you get some relief before the roof and joists heat up.
Not worth worrying about
Your A/C unit interchanges with air, and as you say, air is cool.
The ultimate heat sink is cooler than the thing it's cooling. So effectively, your A/C unit is pushing heat "downhill". Freon engines are quite efficient here. You can check it with a load monitor (if the cycle length doesn't make it obvious), but you probably aren't using all that much power.
Meet solar gain
For the most vivid example of solar gain, sit in your car with everything off - A/C off, blower off, windows rolled up tight, doors shut tight. You can't. Your body will force you to open a door or something because it will become unbearably hot within minutes.
If it were always night, or if your house were entirely in shade, this would not be an issue. However, your house is in sun, and that means it is being actively heated by about 100 watts (300 BTU/hr) per square foot.
That's really a square foot directly facing the sun, so it'll be less if you're not at the equator at noon... but walls count too, so that's kind of a wash. The reflectivity of the roof and walls help. So let's say all in all, 50% gets through.
This is why a car with 48 square feet of cabin gets so hot so fast - it's intaking 2400 watts/8000 BTU/hr of heat. That's the heating power of an oven.
So, your 1000sf house, is absorbing 50,000 watts of heat, or about 150,000 BTU/hr, from solar gain.
Yes, this is a stupidly large amount of energy. Too bad we can't harness it for something, eh? :)
Insulation slows it down. But only slows it. Given enough time, it still gets through.
Thermal "mass" works both for and against you. The thermal mass inside the insulation envelope helps your house resist changes in temperature. However the thermal mass outside the insulation envelope (roof, joists etc.) has been warmed by the sun all day, has reached 120-140F, and holds that heat for a few hours after sunset. That means its high heat is still trying to push through the insulation even after the sun has gone down. Conversely in the morning, even with full sun, you get some relief before the roof and joists heat up.
Not worth worrying about
Your A/C unit interchanges with air, and as you say, air is cool.
The ultimate heat sink is cooler than the thing it's cooling. So effectively, your A/C unit is pushing heat "downhill". Freon engines are quite efficient here. You can check it with a load monitor (if the cycle length doesn't make it obvious), but you probably aren't using all that much power.
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answered 9 hours ago
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To add to the AC unit running when it's cooler outside, this is actually really the way heat sinks want to work. They want to move heat to a colder location, so they can cool the refrigerant more. When it's hot out, the refrigerant can't get as cool, so it's not removing as much heat from your house as when it's colder outside.
– computercarguy
3 hours ago
This is very misleading. Sure, every square foot of your house is receiving a ton of heat from the sun — so is every other square foot of the daylit side of the earth. They don't heat up to oven-like temperatures because they're also radiating heat away at pretty close to the same rate, and the net heating power is very much smaller (or negative, in the late afternoon). In the absence of other effects that capture heat, the sun would heat the inside of the house to the same exact temperature as the outside.
– hobbs
2 hours ago
@hobbs so according to your theory, earth sheltering a home shouldn't do much since roofs and earth should be equivalent. That's not true. Also many soils do get very hot. Examples are the desert, roadway surfaces, etc. What helps most other surfaces is deep mass: nobody cares if the road and 2 feet of mass under the road gets hot. Also, where soil is vegetation covered and watered, the dirt can do two things roofs cannot: absorb energy via photosynthesis, and use latent heat of vaporization of water. Your comparison of "roofs" to "every other square foot of earth" doesn't hold up.
– Harper
1 hour ago
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1
To add to the AC unit running when it's cooler outside, this is actually really the way heat sinks want to work. They want to move heat to a colder location, so they can cool the refrigerant more. When it's hot out, the refrigerant can't get as cool, so it's not removing as much heat from your house as when it's colder outside.
– computercarguy
3 hours ago
This is very misleading. Sure, every square foot of your house is receiving a ton of heat from the sun — so is every other square foot of the daylit side of the earth. They don't heat up to oven-like temperatures because they're also radiating heat away at pretty close to the same rate, and the net heating power is very much smaller (or negative, in the late afternoon). In the absence of other effects that capture heat, the sun would heat the inside of the house to the same exact temperature as the outside.
– hobbs
2 hours ago
@hobbs so according to your theory, earth sheltering a home shouldn't do much since roofs and earth should be equivalent. That's not true. Also many soils do get very hot. Examples are the desert, roadway surfaces, etc. What helps most other surfaces is deep mass: nobody cares if the road and 2 feet of mass under the road gets hot. Also, where soil is vegetation covered and watered, the dirt can do two things roofs cannot: absorb energy via photosynthesis, and use latent heat of vaporization of water. Your comparison of "roofs" to "every other square foot of earth" doesn't hold up.
– Harper
1 hour ago
1
1
To add to the AC unit running when it's cooler outside, this is actually really the way heat sinks want to work. They want to move heat to a colder location, so they can cool the refrigerant more. When it's hot out, the refrigerant can't get as cool, so it's not removing as much heat from your house as when it's colder outside.
– computercarguy
3 hours ago
To add to the AC unit running when it's cooler outside, this is actually really the way heat sinks want to work. They want to move heat to a colder location, so they can cool the refrigerant more. When it's hot out, the refrigerant can't get as cool, so it's not removing as much heat from your house as when it's colder outside.
– computercarguy
3 hours ago
This is very misleading. Sure, every square foot of your house is receiving a ton of heat from the sun — so is every other square foot of the daylit side of the earth. They don't heat up to oven-like temperatures because they're also radiating heat away at pretty close to the same rate, and the net heating power is very much smaller (or negative, in the late afternoon). In the absence of other effects that capture heat, the sun would heat the inside of the house to the same exact temperature as the outside.
– hobbs
2 hours ago
This is very misleading. Sure, every square foot of your house is receiving a ton of heat from the sun — so is every other square foot of the daylit side of the earth. They don't heat up to oven-like temperatures because they're also radiating heat away at pretty close to the same rate, and the net heating power is very much smaller (or negative, in the late afternoon). In the absence of other effects that capture heat, the sun would heat the inside of the house to the same exact temperature as the outside.
– hobbs
2 hours ago
@hobbs so according to your theory, earth sheltering a home shouldn't do much since roofs and earth should be equivalent. That's not true. Also many soils do get very hot. Examples are the desert, roadway surfaces, etc. What helps most other surfaces is deep mass: nobody cares if the road and 2 feet of mass under the road gets hot. Also, where soil is vegetation covered and watered, the dirt can do two things roofs cannot: absorb energy via photosynthesis, and use latent heat of vaporization of water. Your comparison of "roofs" to "every other square foot of earth" doesn't hold up.
– Harper
1 hour ago
@hobbs so according to your theory, earth sheltering a home shouldn't do much since roofs and earth should be equivalent. That's not true. Also many soils do get very hot. Examples are the desert, roadway surfaces, etc. What helps most other surfaces is deep mass: nobody cares if the road and 2 feet of mass under the road gets hot. Also, where soil is vegetation covered and watered, the dirt can do two things roofs cannot: absorb energy via photosynthesis, and use latent heat of vaporization of water. Your comparison of "roofs" to "every other square foot of earth" doesn't hold up.
– Harper
1 hour ago
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Because an Air Conditioner doesn't give any airflow between inside and outside. An AC is essentially a refrigerator. Inside is the conditioned space, and outside is the heat dump (i.e. the back of the fridge where it's hot) The heat is transferred from inside to outside via the liquid coolant - it evaporates inside, collecting heat due to the latent heat of vapourization, and compresses inside, giving off this heat. This is a closed system, contained almost entirely in sealed copper pipe.
There is no air transfer between outside and inside. So, if your inside temperature is higher than the thermostat set point, the AC will run -- regardless of the outside temperature. If you want to take advantage of the lower outside temperatures, then you need to bring outside air in. i.e. Open a window, which you have good reason NOT to do given the humidity.
As a simple thought experiment, we could remove all insulation from the house, and then your internal temperature would be a better match to the outside, as the purpose of insulation is to significantly reduce heat transfer through the walls and roof. However, this plan would be advantageous for only a few days of the year.
In addition to Machavity's answer, I'd also like to comment on solar warming. The sun hits your roof, and adds heat. This heat transfer is mitigated by the roof insulation, but not eliminated. Another source is the sun hitting the windows. Even if you have curtains or internal blinds, a lot of heat enters the house this way. The best way to mitigate this is with external blinds or shutters. These stop the sun from hitting the glass and causing a greenhouse effect.
add a comment |
Because an Air Conditioner doesn't give any airflow between inside and outside. An AC is essentially a refrigerator. Inside is the conditioned space, and outside is the heat dump (i.e. the back of the fridge where it's hot) The heat is transferred from inside to outside via the liquid coolant - it evaporates inside, collecting heat due to the latent heat of vapourization, and compresses inside, giving off this heat. This is a closed system, contained almost entirely in sealed copper pipe.
There is no air transfer between outside and inside. So, if your inside temperature is higher than the thermostat set point, the AC will run -- regardless of the outside temperature. If you want to take advantage of the lower outside temperatures, then you need to bring outside air in. i.e. Open a window, which you have good reason NOT to do given the humidity.
As a simple thought experiment, we could remove all insulation from the house, and then your internal temperature would be a better match to the outside, as the purpose of insulation is to significantly reduce heat transfer through the walls and roof. However, this plan would be advantageous for only a few days of the year.
In addition to Machavity's answer, I'd also like to comment on solar warming. The sun hits your roof, and adds heat. This heat transfer is mitigated by the roof insulation, but not eliminated. Another source is the sun hitting the windows. Even if you have curtains or internal blinds, a lot of heat enters the house this way. The best way to mitigate this is with external blinds or shutters. These stop the sun from hitting the glass and causing a greenhouse effect.
add a comment |
Because an Air Conditioner doesn't give any airflow between inside and outside. An AC is essentially a refrigerator. Inside is the conditioned space, and outside is the heat dump (i.e. the back of the fridge where it's hot) The heat is transferred from inside to outside via the liquid coolant - it evaporates inside, collecting heat due to the latent heat of vapourization, and compresses inside, giving off this heat. This is a closed system, contained almost entirely in sealed copper pipe.
There is no air transfer between outside and inside. So, if your inside temperature is higher than the thermostat set point, the AC will run -- regardless of the outside temperature. If you want to take advantage of the lower outside temperatures, then you need to bring outside air in. i.e. Open a window, which you have good reason NOT to do given the humidity.
As a simple thought experiment, we could remove all insulation from the house, and then your internal temperature would be a better match to the outside, as the purpose of insulation is to significantly reduce heat transfer through the walls and roof. However, this plan would be advantageous for only a few days of the year.
In addition to Machavity's answer, I'd also like to comment on solar warming. The sun hits your roof, and adds heat. This heat transfer is mitigated by the roof insulation, but not eliminated. Another source is the sun hitting the windows. Even if you have curtains or internal blinds, a lot of heat enters the house this way. The best way to mitigate this is with external blinds or shutters. These stop the sun from hitting the glass and causing a greenhouse effect.
Because an Air Conditioner doesn't give any airflow between inside and outside. An AC is essentially a refrigerator. Inside is the conditioned space, and outside is the heat dump (i.e. the back of the fridge where it's hot) The heat is transferred from inside to outside via the liquid coolant - it evaporates inside, collecting heat due to the latent heat of vapourization, and compresses inside, giving off this heat. This is a closed system, contained almost entirely in sealed copper pipe.
There is no air transfer between outside and inside. So, if your inside temperature is higher than the thermostat set point, the AC will run -- regardless of the outside temperature. If you want to take advantage of the lower outside temperatures, then you need to bring outside air in. i.e. Open a window, which you have good reason NOT to do given the humidity.
As a simple thought experiment, we could remove all insulation from the house, and then your internal temperature would be a better match to the outside, as the purpose of insulation is to significantly reduce heat transfer through the walls and roof. However, this plan would be advantageous for only a few days of the year.
In addition to Machavity's answer, I'd also like to comment on solar warming. The sun hits your roof, and adds heat. This heat transfer is mitigated by the roof insulation, but not eliminated. Another source is the sun hitting the windows. Even if you have curtains or internal blinds, a lot of heat enters the house this way. The best way to mitigate this is with external blinds or shutters. These stop the sun from hitting the glass and causing a greenhouse effect.
answered 12 hours ago
Chris CudmoreChris Cudmore
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There's nothing wrong with your thermal insulation design. Insulation is designed to isolate your inside temperature from the outside temperature. So your a.c. is set to 80 degrees, then at 3am the temp outside slowly drops to 76 degrees... it will take hours for your inside temp to see the difference because you attic is still going to be hot. By the time it could see the difference, the outside weather is heating up.
The same happens in the winter. Your inside temp is at 78 degrees, we have a cold snap (yes, I live in Fl too) and the temp drops down to 40 degrees, your inside pretty much stays the same. Hope this helps.
Last year I installed a whole house fan similar to the one below. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
While I mostly agree, we can't say that there's nothing wrong with the insulation because we know nothing about it. There may be gains to be had by modernizing, especially in the attic.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
This largely conforms to my suspicions. In other words, this is likely a sign that my house heats up a lot due to the heat in my attic. i.e. better something in the attic may help with my overall AC usage.
– conman
12 hours ago
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There's nothing wrong with your thermal insulation design. Insulation is designed to isolate your inside temperature from the outside temperature. So your a.c. is set to 80 degrees, then at 3am the temp outside slowly drops to 76 degrees... it will take hours for your inside temp to see the difference because you attic is still going to be hot. By the time it could see the difference, the outside weather is heating up.
The same happens in the winter. Your inside temp is at 78 degrees, we have a cold snap (yes, I live in Fl too) and the temp drops down to 40 degrees, your inside pretty much stays the same. Hope this helps.
Last year I installed a whole house fan similar to the one below. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
While I mostly agree, we can't say that there's nothing wrong with the insulation because we know nothing about it. There may be gains to be had by modernizing, especially in the attic.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
This largely conforms to my suspicions. In other words, this is likely a sign that my house heats up a lot due to the heat in my attic. i.e. better something in the attic may help with my overall AC usage.
– conman
12 hours ago
add a comment |
There's nothing wrong with your thermal insulation design. Insulation is designed to isolate your inside temperature from the outside temperature. So your a.c. is set to 80 degrees, then at 3am the temp outside slowly drops to 76 degrees... it will take hours for your inside temp to see the difference because you attic is still going to be hot. By the time it could see the difference, the outside weather is heating up.
The same happens in the winter. Your inside temp is at 78 degrees, we have a cold snap (yes, I live in Fl too) and the temp drops down to 40 degrees, your inside pretty much stays the same. Hope this helps.
Last year I installed a whole house fan similar to the one below. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
There's nothing wrong with your thermal insulation design. Insulation is designed to isolate your inside temperature from the outside temperature. So your a.c. is set to 80 degrees, then at 3am the temp outside slowly drops to 76 degrees... it will take hours for your inside temp to see the difference because you attic is still going to be hot. By the time it could see the difference, the outside weather is heating up.
The same happens in the winter. Your inside temp is at 78 degrees, we have a cold snap (yes, I live in Fl too) and the temp drops down to 40 degrees, your inside pretty much stays the same. Hope this helps.
Last year I installed a whole house fan similar to the one below. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
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While I mostly agree, we can't say that there's nothing wrong with the insulation because we know nothing about it. There may be gains to be had by modernizing, especially in the attic.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
This largely conforms to my suspicions. In other words, this is likely a sign that my house heats up a lot due to the heat in my attic. i.e. better something in the attic may help with my overall AC usage.
– conman
12 hours ago
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While I mostly agree, we can't say that there's nothing wrong with the insulation because we know nothing about it. There may be gains to be had by modernizing, especially in the attic.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
This largely conforms to my suspicions. In other words, this is likely a sign that my house heats up a lot due to the heat in my attic. i.e. better something in the attic may help with my overall AC usage.
– conman
12 hours ago
While I mostly agree, we can't say that there's nothing wrong with the insulation because we know nothing about it. There may be gains to be had by modernizing, especially in the attic.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
While I mostly agree, we can't say that there's nothing wrong with the insulation because we know nothing about it. There may be gains to be had by modernizing, especially in the attic.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
This largely conforms to my suspicions. In other words, this is likely a sign that my house heats up a lot due to the heat in my attic. i.e. better something in the attic may help with my overall AC usage.
– conman
12 hours ago
This largely conforms to my suspicions. In other words, this is likely a sign that my house heats up a lot due to the heat in my attic. i.e. better something in the attic may help with my overall AC usage.
– conman
12 hours ago
add a comment |
In addition to the other answers that address your question for the most part, there is one more possibility I can think of. It is possible that your AC is not only trying to get the inside temperature to the target,but also the humidity.
Some high-end thermostats will have a humidistat built in, while it is a separate unit in other cases. Regardless, some AC systems are setup to also run when the humidity inside is too high. Some systems have special modes for this, that somehow don't cool as much, but pull more humidity out of the air they handle (probably at a loss in efficiency, but I don't know for sure how this works), while others just run like normal, causing it to get colder than your target temp inside. In US brands, I think one that I've seen the built in de-humidifcation feature a lot is Trane, but others may have it also.
That's helpful to know. I own my current house (which needs a new AC soon), but my previous houses were rentals and definitely did not have high-end thermostats. That may be of interest to me in the future though!
– conman
11 hours ago
Do you know keywords to search for to buy such a thermostat? I've considered rigging one up just to avoid having to constantly adjust the setting to ensure that the AC runs sufficiently often to eliminate humidity without wasting lots of energy midday on hot days.
– R..
1 min ago
add a comment |
In addition to the other answers that address your question for the most part, there is one more possibility I can think of. It is possible that your AC is not only trying to get the inside temperature to the target,but also the humidity.
Some high-end thermostats will have a humidistat built in, while it is a separate unit in other cases. Regardless, some AC systems are setup to also run when the humidity inside is too high. Some systems have special modes for this, that somehow don't cool as much, but pull more humidity out of the air they handle (probably at a loss in efficiency, but I don't know for sure how this works), while others just run like normal, causing it to get colder than your target temp inside. In US brands, I think one that I've seen the built in de-humidifcation feature a lot is Trane, but others may have it also.
That's helpful to know. I own my current house (which needs a new AC soon), but my previous houses were rentals and definitely did not have high-end thermostats. That may be of interest to me in the future though!
– conman
11 hours ago
Do you know keywords to search for to buy such a thermostat? I've considered rigging one up just to avoid having to constantly adjust the setting to ensure that the AC runs sufficiently often to eliminate humidity without wasting lots of energy midday on hot days.
– R..
1 min ago
add a comment |
In addition to the other answers that address your question for the most part, there is one more possibility I can think of. It is possible that your AC is not only trying to get the inside temperature to the target,but also the humidity.
Some high-end thermostats will have a humidistat built in, while it is a separate unit in other cases. Regardless, some AC systems are setup to also run when the humidity inside is too high. Some systems have special modes for this, that somehow don't cool as much, but pull more humidity out of the air they handle (probably at a loss in efficiency, but I don't know for sure how this works), while others just run like normal, causing it to get colder than your target temp inside. In US brands, I think one that I've seen the built in de-humidifcation feature a lot is Trane, but others may have it also.
In addition to the other answers that address your question for the most part, there is one more possibility I can think of. It is possible that your AC is not only trying to get the inside temperature to the target,but also the humidity.
Some high-end thermostats will have a humidistat built in, while it is a separate unit in other cases. Regardless, some AC systems are setup to also run when the humidity inside is too high. Some systems have special modes for this, that somehow don't cool as much, but pull more humidity out of the air they handle (probably at a loss in efficiency, but I don't know for sure how this works), while others just run like normal, causing it to get colder than your target temp inside. In US brands, I think one that I've seen the built in de-humidifcation feature a lot is Trane, but others may have it also.
answered 11 hours ago
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That's helpful to know. I own my current house (which needs a new AC soon), but my previous houses were rentals and definitely did not have high-end thermostats. That may be of interest to me in the future though!
– conman
11 hours ago
Do you know keywords to search for to buy such a thermostat? I've considered rigging one up just to avoid having to constantly adjust the setting to ensure that the AC runs sufficiently often to eliminate humidity without wasting lots of energy midday on hot days.
– R..
1 min ago
add a comment |
That's helpful to know. I own my current house (which needs a new AC soon), but my previous houses were rentals and definitely did not have high-end thermostats. That may be of interest to me in the future though!
– conman
11 hours ago
Do you know keywords to search for to buy such a thermostat? I've considered rigging one up just to avoid having to constantly adjust the setting to ensure that the AC runs sufficiently often to eliminate humidity without wasting lots of energy midday on hot days.
– R..
1 min ago
That's helpful to know. I own my current house (which needs a new AC soon), but my previous houses were rentals and definitely did not have high-end thermostats. That may be of interest to me in the future though!
– conman
11 hours ago
That's helpful to know. I own my current house (which needs a new AC soon), but my previous houses were rentals and definitely did not have high-end thermostats. That may be of interest to me in the future though!
– conman
11 hours ago
Do you know keywords to search for to buy such a thermostat? I've considered rigging one up just to avoid having to constantly adjust the setting to ensure that the AC runs sufficiently often to eliminate humidity without wasting lots of energy midday on hot days.
– R..
1 min ago
Do you know keywords to search for to buy such a thermostat? I've considered rigging one up just to avoid having to constantly adjust the setting to ensure that the AC runs sufficiently often to eliminate humidity without wasting lots of energy midday on hot days.
– R..
1 min ago
add a comment |
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Your thermostat (which controls the AC) doesn't know what the outside temperature is, it only knows what the inside temperature is at the specific location where it is installed. If the temperature it measures is higher than the setpoint you've selected, then it commands the AC to run to reduce the temperature inside.
– brhans
13 hours ago
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My personal suspicion is that direct solar flux on my roof is heating up the attic (reference: attics are hot) and therefore what is going on is that poor insulation in the attic is allowing the heat from my attic to warm up the house faster than cool air from outside leaks in though my windows/walls.
– conman
12 hours ago
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That may or may not be true - but either way it's irrelevant. Your thermostat does not 'know' what the outside temperature is.. All it 'knows' is that the temperature it's measuring is higher than the setpoint you've set it to, so it runs the AC.
– brhans
12 hours ago
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Seems like you'd want to tell us something about your insulation (type, quantity) and other aspects of your home if you're seeking opinions on that. What you describe is perfectly normal and expected, laws of physics being what they are. If you're looking for ways to improve the situation, please revise to add detail.
– isherwood
12 hours ago
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@conman Last year I installed a whole house fan. It vents into the attic so when it does get cool out, I open windows and turn on the fan. It sucks air into the house and cools off the attic. I had to install 13 additional soffits in the eves but it was well worth it.
– JACK
12 hours ago