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I have recently heard:

Hai la patente?

Could this be rephrased to "Hai la tua patente?" ? Is the former more usual? In what other cases (besides body parts) is the possessive adjective often omitted?

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Hai la patente?

Could this be rephrased to "Hai la tua patente?" ? Is the former more usual? In what other cases (besides body parts) is the possessive adjective often omitted?

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Hai la patente?

Could this be rephrased to "Hai la tua patente?" ? Is the former more usual? In what other cases (besides body parts) is the possessive adjective often omitted?

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Yes, I’d say that the expression “la patente” is often used without the possessive adjective unless it is required to avoid misunderstanding.

Ho dimenticato la patente a casa.

Mi mostri la patente per favore.

Da quanto tempo hai la patente?

Dalla stampa:

Alla guida senza patente si spaccia per il fratello. Arrestato. Veronanetwork.it

Guidava senza patente: 5mila euro di multa ad un 53enne.
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Expanding to what @Gio said, the (driver's) license is issued to a specific person (and indeed it's often used as proof of a person's identity), and so it makes for limited logical sense to ask for "yours", because really, it'd be hardly relevant if you were carrying somebody else's license.

Imagine this conversation: "Do you have the licence?" "Yes of of course, here is my sister's license for operating heavy machinery". It's an odd enough thing to say to be funny to most people.

In Italian this kind of redundant statements (the use of the possessive adjective in this particular case) are avoided more often than not, especially in informal language. If I heard somebody use the possessive, and without extra context, I'd assume it being a more formal tone, maybe like an officer might use.

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Yes, I’d say that the expression “la patente” is often used without the possessive adjective unless it is required to avoid misunderstanding.

Ho dimenticato la patente a casa.

Mi mostri la patente per favore.

Da quanto tempo hai la patente?

Dalla stampa:

Alla guida senza patente si spaccia per il fratello. Arrestato. Veronanetwork.it

Guidava senza patente: 5mila euro di multa ad un 53enne.
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Yes, I’d say that the expression “la patente” is often used without the possessive adjective unless it is required to avoid misunderstanding.

Ho dimenticato la patente a casa.

Mi mostri la patente per favore.

Da quanto tempo hai la patente?

Dalla stampa:

Alla guida senza patente si spaccia per il fratello. Arrestato. Veronanetwork.it

Guidava senza patente: 5mila euro di multa ad un 53enne.
Aostasera.it

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Yes, I’d say that the expression “la patente” is often used without the possessive adjective unless it is required to avoid misunderstanding.

Ho dimenticato la patente a casa.

Mi mostri la patente per favore.

Da quanto tempo hai la patente?

Dalla stampa:

Alla guida senza patente si spaccia per il fratello. Arrestato. Veronanetwork.it

Guidava senza patente: 5mila euro di multa ad un 53enne.
Aostasera.it

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Expanding to what @Gio said, the (driver's) license is issued to a specific person (and indeed it's often used as proof of a person's identity), and so it makes for limited logical sense to ask for "yours", because really, it'd be hardly relevant if you were carrying somebody else's license.

Imagine this conversation: "Do you have the licence?" "Yes of of course, here is my sister's license for operating heavy machinery". It's an odd enough thing to say to be funny to most people.

In Italian this kind of redundant statements (the use of the possessive adjective in this particular case) are avoided more often than not, especially in informal language. If I heard somebody use the possessive, and without extra context, I'd assume it being a more formal tone, maybe like an officer might use.

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Expanding to what @Gio said, the (driver's) license is issued to a specific person (and indeed it's often used as proof of a person's identity), and so it makes for limited logical sense to ask for "yours", because really, it'd be hardly relevant if you were carrying somebody else's license.

Imagine this conversation: "Do you have the licence?" "Yes of of course, here is my sister's license for operating heavy machinery". It's an odd enough thing to say to be funny to most people.

In Italian this kind of redundant statements (the use of the possessive adjective in this particular case) are avoided more often than not, especially in informal language. If I heard somebody use the possessive, and without extra context, I'd assume it being a more formal tone, maybe like an officer might use.

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Expanding to what @Gio said, the (driver's) license is issued to a specific person (and indeed it's often used as proof of a person's identity), and so it makes for limited logical sense to ask for "yours", because really, it'd be hardly relevant if you were carrying somebody else's license.

Imagine this conversation: "Do you have the licence?" "Yes of of course, here is my sister's license for operating heavy machinery". It's an odd enough thing to say to be funny to most people.

In Italian this kind of redundant statements (the use of the possessive adjective in this particular case) are avoided more often than not, especially in informal language. If I heard somebody use the possessive, and without extra context, I'd assume it being a more formal tone, maybe like an officer might use.

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