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Why didn't Project Mercury advance to an orbital flight on their second mission?
How can Yuri Gagarin's Vostok 1 flight be considered to have been orbital, since he did not go all the way around Earth?What altitude would an ocean crossing sub-orbital flight need to reach?Why was the Friendship 7 Mercury heat shield detachable?Why did the cones of the Mercury and Gemini capsules have a neck?Project Mercury capsule switch orientation
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Manned programs are noted for progressing through a series of flights. Early missions focus on basic hardware and simple tasks; as the technology becomes proven, the scope and duration of later missions are increased. This is also affected by limited budgets and schedules; there simply aren't enough resources to repeat the same mission over and over. Thus, subsequent flights typically advance the spacecraft technology or have new scientific objectives.
Given the success of the first Mercury flight (Shepard), why was the next mission (Grissom) essentially the same? It wasn't until the third flight (Glenn) that NASA attempted an orbital mission.
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Manned programs are noted for progressing through a series of flights. Early missions focus on basic hardware and simple tasks; as the technology becomes proven, the scope and duration of later missions are increased. This is also affected by limited budgets and schedules; there simply aren't enough resources to repeat the same mission over and over. Thus, subsequent flights typically advance the spacecraft technology or have new scientific objectives.
Given the success of the first Mercury flight (Shepard), why was the next mission (Grissom) essentially the same? It wasn't until the third flight (Glenn) that NASA attempted an orbital mission.
sub-orbital project-mercury
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Manned programs are noted for progressing through a series of flights. Early missions focus on basic hardware and simple tasks; as the technology becomes proven, the scope and duration of later missions are increased. This is also affected by limited budgets and schedules; there simply aren't enough resources to repeat the same mission over and over. Thus, subsequent flights typically advance the spacecraft technology or have new scientific objectives.
Given the success of the first Mercury flight (Shepard), why was the next mission (Grissom) essentially the same? It wasn't until the third flight (Glenn) that NASA attempted an orbital mission.
sub-orbital project-mercury
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Manned programs are noted for progressing through a series of flights. Early missions focus on basic hardware and simple tasks; as the technology becomes proven, the scope and duration of later missions are increased. This is also affected by limited budgets and schedules; there simply aren't enough resources to repeat the same mission over and over. Thus, subsequent flights typically advance the spacecraft technology or have new scientific objectives.
Given the success of the first Mercury flight (Shepard), why was the next mission (Grissom) essentially the same? It wasn't until the third flight (Glenn) that NASA attempted an orbital mission.
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You have to remember that during Project Mercury, not only crewed spaceflight was in its infancy, but spaceflight itself was.
The Mercury-Redstone rocket could not achieve orbit, it wasn't powerful enough. Only Mercury-Atlas could, and the first crewed Mercury-Atlas flights was Glenns and thus orbital. So the answer is that they went orbital as soon as the LV allowed (and it took five uncrewed MA tests before they put a human in that stack).
The goals of MR-4 are described as following:
The main objective was to corroborate the man-in-space concept. The main configuration differences between the MR-3 spacecraft was the addition of a large viewing window and an explosively actuated side hatch.
The addition of the large viewing window was a result of a change requested by Mercury astronauts. This window allowed the astronauts to have a greater viewing area than the original side port windows. The field of view was 30 degrees in the horizontal plane and 33 degrees in the vertical. The window is composed of an outer panel of 0.35-inch thick Vycor glass and a 3-layer inner panel.
The explosively actuated side hatch was used for the first time on the MR-4 flight.
[...]
Flight successful but the spacecraft was lost during the post landing recovery period as a result of premature actuation of the explosively actuated side egress hatch.
Testing the new hatch before undertaking the next truly big step seems reasonable. The hatch blew early, so clearly the testing was warranted. You wouldn't want the hatch to blow during your orbit.
Another change from MR-3 to MR-4 was the addition of dampening material:
To reduce these vibrations, additional dampening material was added to the instrument compartment prior to the remaining flight.
Another facet is revealed by looking at the timeline.
- MA-1 took place July 29, 1960
- MA-2 took place February 21, 1961
- MA-3 took place April 25, 1961
- MR-3 took place May 5, 1961
- MR-4 took place July 21, 1961
- MA-4 took place September 13, 1961
- MA-5 took place November 29, 1961
- MA-6 finally took place February 20, 1962
By the time the suborbital flights were done, the Mercury-Atlas was not ready, making an orbital mission impossible at that time.
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Rocket reliability was a big factor. The first 2 flights were on the Redstone, which didn't have the power to launch to orbit, for that they needed the Atlas. The Atlas had many failures in testing, the unmanned Mercury-Atlas (MA) tests were as follows:
- MA-1: Structural failure less than a minute in
- MA-2: Success
- MA-3: Failure on guidance
- MA-4: Success
- MA-5: Success (Unmanned but had a chimp named Enos on board)
There were also many non-Mercury, mostly ICBM tests which were failures as well including pad explosions and in-flight breakups. They needed a couple of successes before they were able to trust it with a human, and it still was considered a risky flight.
The other reason was that some doctors were concerned that the impact of weightlessness could render a human unable to function, or even kill them, so they wanted to send a primate to study first.
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Are you calling Shepard of Grissom a primate? I think the question is why was there 2 suborbital launches with humans on board from the US.
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– PearsonArtPhoto♦
8 hours ago
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I answered that @PearsonArtPhoto, the Atlas wasn't ready.
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– GdD
8 hours ago
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Shepard and Grissom were indeed primates, as are we all. smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/…
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– Organic Marble
7 hours ago
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Ah that's the thing about manned though. Loss of guidance is not necessarily failure to achieve orbit.
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– Joshua
39 mins ago
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You have to remember that during Project Mercury, not only crewed spaceflight was in its infancy, but spaceflight itself was.
The Mercury-Redstone rocket could not achieve orbit, it wasn't powerful enough. Only Mercury-Atlas could, and the first crewed Mercury-Atlas flights was Glenns and thus orbital. So the answer is that they went orbital as soon as the LV allowed (and it took five uncrewed MA tests before they put a human in that stack).
The goals of MR-4 are described as following:
The main objective was to corroborate the man-in-space concept. The main configuration differences between the MR-3 spacecraft was the addition of a large viewing window and an explosively actuated side hatch.
The addition of the large viewing window was a result of a change requested by Mercury astronauts. This window allowed the astronauts to have a greater viewing area than the original side port windows. The field of view was 30 degrees in the horizontal plane and 33 degrees in the vertical. The window is composed of an outer panel of 0.35-inch thick Vycor glass and a 3-layer inner panel.
The explosively actuated side hatch was used for the first time on the MR-4 flight.
[...]
Flight successful but the spacecraft was lost during the post landing recovery period as a result of premature actuation of the explosively actuated side egress hatch.
Testing the new hatch before undertaking the next truly big step seems reasonable. The hatch blew early, so clearly the testing was warranted. You wouldn't want the hatch to blow during your orbit.
Another change from MR-3 to MR-4 was the addition of dampening material:
To reduce these vibrations, additional dampening material was added to the instrument compartment prior to the remaining flight.
Another facet is revealed by looking at the timeline.
- MA-1 took place July 29, 1960
- MA-2 took place February 21, 1961
- MA-3 took place April 25, 1961
- MR-3 took place May 5, 1961
- MR-4 took place July 21, 1961
- MA-4 took place September 13, 1961
- MA-5 took place November 29, 1961
- MA-6 finally took place February 20, 1962
By the time the suborbital flights were done, the Mercury-Atlas was not ready, making an orbital mission impossible at that time.
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You have to remember that during Project Mercury, not only crewed spaceflight was in its infancy, but spaceflight itself was.
The Mercury-Redstone rocket could not achieve orbit, it wasn't powerful enough. Only Mercury-Atlas could, and the first crewed Mercury-Atlas flights was Glenns and thus orbital. So the answer is that they went orbital as soon as the LV allowed (and it took five uncrewed MA tests before they put a human in that stack).
The goals of MR-4 are described as following:
The main objective was to corroborate the man-in-space concept. The main configuration differences between the MR-3 spacecraft was the addition of a large viewing window and an explosively actuated side hatch.
The addition of the large viewing window was a result of a change requested by Mercury astronauts. This window allowed the astronauts to have a greater viewing area than the original side port windows. The field of view was 30 degrees in the horizontal plane and 33 degrees in the vertical. The window is composed of an outer panel of 0.35-inch thick Vycor glass and a 3-layer inner panel.
The explosively actuated side hatch was used for the first time on the MR-4 flight.
[...]
Flight successful but the spacecraft was lost during the post landing recovery period as a result of premature actuation of the explosively actuated side egress hatch.
Testing the new hatch before undertaking the next truly big step seems reasonable. The hatch blew early, so clearly the testing was warranted. You wouldn't want the hatch to blow during your orbit.
Another change from MR-3 to MR-4 was the addition of dampening material:
To reduce these vibrations, additional dampening material was added to the instrument compartment prior to the remaining flight.
Another facet is revealed by looking at the timeline.
- MA-1 took place July 29, 1960
- MA-2 took place February 21, 1961
- MA-3 took place April 25, 1961
- MR-3 took place May 5, 1961
- MR-4 took place July 21, 1961
- MA-4 took place September 13, 1961
- MA-5 took place November 29, 1961
- MA-6 finally took place February 20, 1962
By the time the suborbital flights were done, the Mercury-Atlas was not ready, making an orbital mission impossible at that time.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
You have to remember that during Project Mercury, not only crewed spaceflight was in its infancy, but spaceflight itself was.
The Mercury-Redstone rocket could not achieve orbit, it wasn't powerful enough. Only Mercury-Atlas could, and the first crewed Mercury-Atlas flights was Glenns and thus orbital. So the answer is that they went orbital as soon as the LV allowed (and it took five uncrewed MA tests before they put a human in that stack).
The goals of MR-4 are described as following:
The main objective was to corroborate the man-in-space concept. The main configuration differences between the MR-3 spacecraft was the addition of a large viewing window and an explosively actuated side hatch.
The addition of the large viewing window was a result of a change requested by Mercury astronauts. This window allowed the astronauts to have a greater viewing area than the original side port windows. The field of view was 30 degrees in the horizontal plane and 33 degrees in the vertical. The window is composed of an outer panel of 0.35-inch thick Vycor glass and a 3-layer inner panel.
The explosively actuated side hatch was used for the first time on the MR-4 flight.
[...]
Flight successful but the spacecraft was lost during the post landing recovery period as a result of premature actuation of the explosively actuated side egress hatch.
Testing the new hatch before undertaking the next truly big step seems reasonable. The hatch blew early, so clearly the testing was warranted. You wouldn't want the hatch to blow during your orbit.
Another change from MR-3 to MR-4 was the addition of dampening material:
To reduce these vibrations, additional dampening material was added to the instrument compartment prior to the remaining flight.
Another facet is revealed by looking at the timeline.
- MA-1 took place July 29, 1960
- MA-2 took place February 21, 1961
- MA-3 took place April 25, 1961
- MR-3 took place May 5, 1961
- MR-4 took place July 21, 1961
- MA-4 took place September 13, 1961
- MA-5 took place November 29, 1961
- MA-6 finally took place February 20, 1962
By the time the suborbital flights were done, the Mercury-Atlas was not ready, making an orbital mission impossible at that time.
$endgroup$
You have to remember that during Project Mercury, not only crewed spaceflight was in its infancy, but spaceflight itself was.
The Mercury-Redstone rocket could not achieve orbit, it wasn't powerful enough. Only Mercury-Atlas could, and the first crewed Mercury-Atlas flights was Glenns and thus orbital. So the answer is that they went orbital as soon as the LV allowed (and it took five uncrewed MA tests before they put a human in that stack).
The goals of MR-4 are described as following:
The main objective was to corroborate the man-in-space concept. The main configuration differences between the MR-3 spacecraft was the addition of a large viewing window and an explosively actuated side hatch.
The addition of the large viewing window was a result of a change requested by Mercury astronauts. This window allowed the astronauts to have a greater viewing area than the original side port windows. The field of view was 30 degrees in the horizontal plane and 33 degrees in the vertical. The window is composed of an outer panel of 0.35-inch thick Vycor glass and a 3-layer inner panel.
The explosively actuated side hatch was used for the first time on the MR-4 flight.
[...]
Flight successful but the spacecraft was lost during the post landing recovery period as a result of premature actuation of the explosively actuated side egress hatch.
Testing the new hatch before undertaking the next truly big step seems reasonable. The hatch blew early, so clearly the testing was warranted. You wouldn't want the hatch to blow during your orbit.
Another change from MR-3 to MR-4 was the addition of dampening material:
To reduce these vibrations, additional dampening material was added to the instrument compartment prior to the remaining flight.
Another facet is revealed by looking at the timeline.
- MA-1 took place July 29, 1960
- MA-2 took place February 21, 1961
- MA-3 took place April 25, 1961
- MR-3 took place May 5, 1961
- MR-4 took place July 21, 1961
- MA-4 took place September 13, 1961
- MA-5 took place November 29, 1961
- MA-6 finally took place February 20, 1962
By the time the suborbital flights were done, the Mercury-Atlas was not ready, making an orbital mission impossible at that time.
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Rocket reliability was a big factor. The first 2 flights were on the Redstone, which didn't have the power to launch to orbit, for that they needed the Atlas. The Atlas had many failures in testing, the unmanned Mercury-Atlas (MA) tests were as follows:
- MA-1: Structural failure less than a minute in
- MA-2: Success
- MA-3: Failure on guidance
- MA-4: Success
- MA-5: Success (Unmanned but had a chimp named Enos on board)
There were also many non-Mercury, mostly ICBM tests which were failures as well including pad explosions and in-flight breakups. They needed a couple of successes before they were able to trust it with a human, and it still was considered a risky flight.
The other reason was that some doctors were concerned that the impact of weightlessness could render a human unable to function, or even kill them, so they wanted to send a primate to study first.
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Are you calling Shepard of Grissom a primate? I think the question is why was there 2 suborbital launches with humans on board from the US.
$endgroup$
– PearsonArtPhoto♦
8 hours ago
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I answered that @PearsonArtPhoto, the Atlas wasn't ready.
$endgroup$
– GdD
8 hours ago
3
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Shepard and Grissom were indeed primates, as are we all. smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/…
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– Organic Marble
7 hours ago
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Ah that's the thing about manned though. Loss of guidance is not necessarily failure to achieve orbit.
$endgroup$
– Joshua
39 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Rocket reliability was a big factor. The first 2 flights were on the Redstone, which didn't have the power to launch to orbit, for that they needed the Atlas. The Atlas had many failures in testing, the unmanned Mercury-Atlas (MA) tests were as follows:
- MA-1: Structural failure less than a minute in
- MA-2: Success
- MA-3: Failure on guidance
- MA-4: Success
- MA-5: Success (Unmanned but had a chimp named Enos on board)
There were also many non-Mercury, mostly ICBM tests which were failures as well including pad explosions and in-flight breakups. They needed a couple of successes before they were able to trust it with a human, and it still was considered a risky flight.
The other reason was that some doctors were concerned that the impact of weightlessness could render a human unable to function, or even kill them, so they wanted to send a primate to study first.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Are you calling Shepard of Grissom a primate? I think the question is why was there 2 suborbital launches with humans on board from the US.
$endgroup$
– PearsonArtPhoto♦
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
I answered that @PearsonArtPhoto, the Atlas wasn't ready.
$endgroup$
– GdD
8 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Shepard and Grissom were indeed primates, as are we all. smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/…
$endgroup$
– Organic Marble
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ah that's the thing about manned though. Loss of guidance is not necessarily failure to achieve orbit.
$endgroup$
– Joshua
39 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Rocket reliability was a big factor. The first 2 flights were on the Redstone, which didn't have the power to launch to orbit, for that they needed the Atlas. The Atlas had many failures in testing, the unmanned Mercury-Atlas (MA) tests were as follows:
- MA-1: Structural failure less than a minute in
- MA-2: Success
- MA-3: Failure on guidance
- MA-4: Success
- MA-5: Success (Unmanned but had a chimp named Enos on board)
There were also many non-Mercury, mostly ICBM tests which were failures as well including pad explosions and in-flight breakups. They needed a couple of successes before they were able to trust it with a human, and it still was considered a risky flight.
The other reason was that some doctors were concerned that the impact of weightlessness could render a human unable to function, or even kill them, so they wanted to send a primate to study first.
$endgroup$
Rocket reliability was a big factor. The first 2 flights were on the Redstone, which didn't have the power to launch to orbit, for that they needed the Atlas. The Atlas had many failures in testing, the unmanned Mercury-Atlas (MA) tests were as follows:
- MA-1: Structural failure less than a minute in
- MA-2: Success
- MA-3: Failure on guidance
- MA-4: Success
- MA-5: Success (Unmanned but had a chimp named Enos on board)
There were also many non-Mercury, mostly ICBM tests which were failures as well including pad explosions and in-flight breakups. They needed a couple of successes before they were able to trust it with a human, and it still was considered a risky flight.
The other reason was that some doctors were concerned that the impact of weightlessness could render a human unable to function, or even kill them, so they wanted to send a primate to study first.
answered 8 hours ago
GdDGdD
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Are you calling Shepard of Grissom a primate? I think the question is why was there 2 suborbital launches with humans on board from the US.
$endgroup$
– PearsonArtPhoto♦
8 hours ago
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I answered that @PearsonArtPhoto, the Atlas wasn't ready.
$endgroup$
– GdD
8 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Shepard and Grissom were indeed primates, as are we all. smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/…
$endgroup$
– Organic Marble
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ah that's the thing about manned though. Loss of guidance is not necessarily failure to achieve orbit.
$endgroup$
– Joshua
39 mins ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
Are you calling Shepard of Grissom a primate? I think the question is why was there 2 suborbital launches with humans on board from the US.
$endgroup$
– PearsonArtPhoto♦
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
I answered that @PearsonArtPhoto, the Atlas wasn't ready.
$endgroup$
– GdD
8 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Shepard and Grissom were indeed primates, as are we all. smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/…
$endgroup$
– Organic Marble
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ah that's the thing about manned though. Loss of guidance is not necessarily failure to achieve orbit.
$endgroup$
– Joshua
39 mins ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Are you calling Shepard of Grissom a primate? I think the question is why was there 2 suborbital launches with humans on board from the US.
$endgroup$
– PearsonArtPhoto♦
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Are you calling Shepard of Grissom a primate? I think the question is why was there 2 suborbital launches with humans on board from the US.
$endgroup$
– PearsonArtPhoto♦
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
I answered that @PearsonArtPhoto, the Atlas wasn't ready.
$endgroup$
– GdD
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
I answered that @PearsonArtPhoto, the Atlas wasn't ready.
$endgroup$
– GdD
8 hours ago
3
3
$begingroup$
Shepard and Grissom were indeed primates, as are we all. smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/…
$endgroup$
– Organic Marble
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Shepard and Grissom were indeed primates, as are we all. smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/…
$endgroup$
– Organic Marble
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ah that's the thing about manned though. Loss of guidance is not necessarily failure to achieve orbit.
$endgroup$
– Joshua
39 mins ago
$begingroup$
Ah that's the thing about manned though. Loss of guidance is not necessarily failure to achieve orbit.
$endgroup$
– Joshua
39 mins ago
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