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There's a lot of discussion in the past years on whether or not Facebook is using their platform to promote a certain political agenda and influence elections. Facebook denies such accusations but even if they did try to influence things behind the scenes, wouldn't it be perfectly legal? There are certainly media channels out there that actively promote certain political parties but no one is summoning the editor of Fox News or CNN for questioning in the Senate.
So what's the big deal about Facebook allegedly influencing politics? Aren't they protected by the First Amendment in being free to promote anything they please?
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There's a lot of discussion in the past years on whether or not Facebook is using their platform to promote a certain political agenda and influence elections. Facebook denies such accusations but even if they did try to influence things behind the scenes, wouldn't it be perfectly legal? There are certainly media channels out there that actively promote certain political parties but no one is summoning the editor of Fox News or CNN for questioning in the Senate.
So what's the big deal about Facebook allegedly influencing politics? Aren't they protected by the First Amendment in being free to promote anything they please?
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The UK has no First Amendment… Please specify whether you want the scope to be US-only. And can you clarify whether that's "actively" or "openly", preferred by also quoting some such allegations of, hm, 'undue influence'?
– LangLangC
11 hours ago
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@LangLangC US only. And Zuckerberg being called into Senate where senators ask him if FB moderators are democratic or republican is what I'm thinking of.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
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There's a lot of discussion in the past years on whether or not Facebook is using their platform to promote a certain political agenda and influence elections. Facebook denies such accusations but even if they did try to influence things behind the scenes, wouldn't it be perfectly legal? There are certainly media channels out there that actively promote certain political parties but no one is summoning the editor of Fox News or CNN for questioning in the Senate.
So what's the big deal about Facebook allegedly influencing politics? Aren't they protected by the First Amendment in being free to promote anything they please?
united-states freedom-of-speech
There's a lot of discussion in the past years on whether or not Facebook is using their platform to promote a certain political agenda and influence elections. Facebook denies such accusations but even if they did try to influence things behind the scenes, wouldn't it be perfectly legal? There are certainly media channels out there that actively promote certain political parties but no one is summoning the editor of Fox News or CNN for questioning in the Senate.
So what's the big deal about Facebook allegedly influencing politics? Aren't they protected by the First Amendment in being free to promote anything they please?
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The UK has no First Amendment… Please specify whether you want the scope to be US-only. And can you clarify whether that's "actively" or "openly", preferred by also quoting some such allegations of, hm, 'undue influence'?
– LangLangC
11 hours ago
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@LangLangC US only. And Zuckerberg being called into Senate where senators ask him if FB moderators are democratic or republican is what I'm thinking of.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
add a comment |
The UK has no First Amendment… Please specify whether you want the scope to be US-only. And can you clarify whether that's "actively" or "openly", preferred by also quoting some such allegations of, hm, 'undue influence'?
– LangLangC
11 hours ago
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@LangLangC US only. And Zuckerberg being called into Senate where senators ask him if FB moderators are democratic or republican is what I'm thinking of.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
The UK has no First Amendment… Please specify whether you want the scope to be US-only. And can you clarify whether that's "actively" or "openly", preferred by also quoting some such allegations of, hm, 'undue influence'?
– LangLangC
11 hours ago
The UK has no First Amendment… Please specify whether you want the scope to be US-only. And can you clarify whether that's "actively" or "openly", preferred by also quoting some such allegations of, hm, 'undue influence'?
– LangLangC
11 hours ago
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@LangLangC US only. And Zuckerberg being called into Senate where senators ask him if FB moderators are democratic or republican is what I'm thinking of.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
@LangLangC US only. And Zuckerberg being called into Senate where senators ask him if FB moderators are democratic or republican is what I'm thinking of.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago
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1) They would be absolutely allowed to promote any political agenda as a publisher, but not necessary as a platform. It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot:
shielded from any liability for content posted by crazy users as if they were merely a platform;
having huge editorial discretion in selecting what to publish, as if they were a publisher.
2) Implicit expectation of being a neutral platform. Think like discovering that your mobile phone company treats customers differently pending on the issues they discuss or their political views. Even if it could be legal, it would still raise some eyebrows.
3) Convenient scapegoat. While attempts to regulate Big New Media to promote freedom of speech and platform neutrality is more right wing stuff, chance to blast some disliked CEO is enjoyed by politicians regardless of their views.
4) Uncharted waters and near market monopoly. Think this way, when Rockefeller started his oil trust, his business plan was technically speaking perfectly legal. Just such power abuse lead lawmakers to update and extend list of illegal practices.
5) Chance to grill on other unrelated issues like privacy violations or tax avoidance.
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"It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot" -- It's only "contentious" in the way flag-burning is contentious -- the law clearly allows promoting a political agenda, courts uniformly enforce the clear text of the law, but some people lie about what the law clearly says because they figure people aren't going to double-check. The rest of the answer is spot-on, so +1.
– cpast
9 hours ago
Speaking of convenient scapegoats, Standard Oil had to constantly cut costs and compete on prices to maintain their dominant position, and were at something like 63% market share when broken up. They initially beat the competition by becoming vertically integrated which made their products cheaper, but once the competition had time to imitate these business practices, the advantage ended. But certainly if that poor economic case is enough to make new law, Facebook needs to keep itself congress's good side.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
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@cpast Part of the confusion is that there's discontent on both sides of the political spectrum - some people feel like a platform like Facebook isn't moderating enough, allowing hoaxes and propaganda/Fake News as long as it generates ad revenue, while other people feel it is being politically selective in moderation. It's an even more complex issue because a company like Facebook has non-transparent moderation, that is not applied universally, but absolutely markets itself as a neutral platform. Hence people have tied the idea of no liability to neutrality, or see it as best-of-both-worlds.
– DariM
2 hours ago
And facebook explicitly claims to be neutral, not implicitly.
– A Simple Algorithm
2 hours ago
To raise it as a different question - in the increased instances of things like hoaxes and conspiracy theories affecting things like elections, people seem to be grappling with the question - who is responsible for combating this, or accountable to try and prevent it? Thus when they see something like this making a platform non-liable, they seem to be asking why, especially more so given how heavy-handed moderation on these platforms can be (e.g. deleting pictures some people post on Instagram because exposed shoulders "break community guidelines")
– DariM
2 hours ago
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Facebook can and does actively promote a political agenda.
They even formed a Political Action Committee, FB PAC, through which they donate money to various politicians and PACs (and contrary to right-wing narrative, they have been known to give more money to GOP causes).
They also sell advertising space on their website for political ads, though this is a case of them promoting someone else's political agenda for money.
As for the user-generated content.
Social media websites give people the privilege (not a right) of using their services, typically free of charge, and that privilege can be revoked.
They have the right to delete any content they wish for whatever reason they want, or even no reason whatsoever. This is how they are able to block or delete things that may be legal but unpleasant.
- spam
- pornography
- horrific or disturbing content (use your imagination)
- links to malware
How does the First Amendment apply?
The First Amendment protects people from the government by limiting what the government can do. That's why contrary to popular belief the First Amendment doesn't protect you from being banned from a website.
Now if the government were to try to force a website to accept someone as a member, they would quickly run into an issue with the First Amendment right to Freedom of Association which guarantees an organization the right to exclude people from membership (even against people of Protected Classes, which political views definitely are not).
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There are numerous problems with that xkcd strip (the main one being that it conflates the right to freedom of speech with the First Amendment, when the First Amendment only offers limited protection of this right). Also, there are many pieces of valid legislation that mandate that businesses serve, or association allow certain persons, so there would be no constitutional barrier here provided it was drafted correctly (see Roberts v. United States Jaycees).
– studro
2 hours ago
@studro There's nothing being conflated in the comic, you only have freedom of speech from the government as guaranteed by the First Amendment. That's all there is to it. Also, if you actually read the link I have you will see that court case is mentioned, but there have been two newer cases which affirmed the right to exclude individuals even if they are protected classes (which political life choices definitely aren't).
– CrackpotCrocodile
54 mins ago
@studro So you've added nothing to the discussion here, but instead added misleading information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
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1) They would be absolutely allowed to promote any political agenda as a publisher, but not necessary as a platform. It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot:
shielded from any liability for content posted by crazy users as if they were merely a platform;
having huge editorial discretion in selecting what to publish, as if they were a publisher.
2) Implicit expectation of being a neutral platform. Think like discovering that your mobile phone company treats customers differently pending on the issues they discuss or their political views. Even if it could be legal, it would still raise some eyebrows.
3) Convenient scapegoat. While attempts to regulate Big New Media to promote freedom of speech and platform neutrality is more right wing stuff, chance to blast some disliked CEO is enjoyed by politicians regardless of their views.
4) Uncharted waters and near market monopoly. Think this way, when Rockefeller started his oil trust, his business plan was technically speaking perfectly legal. Just such power abuse lead lawmakers to update and extend list of illegal practices.
5) Chance to grill on other unrelated issues like privacy violations or tax avoidance.
4
"It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot" -- It's only "contentious" in the way flag-burning is contentious -- the law clearly allows promoting a political agenda, courts uniformly enforce the clear text of the law, but some people lie about what the law clearly says because they figure people aren't going to double-check. The rest of the answer is spot-on, so +1.
– cpast
9 hours ago
Speaking of convenient scapegoats, Standard Oil had to constantly cut costs and compete on prices to maintain their dominant position, and were at something like 63% market share when broken up. They initially beat the competition by becoming vertically integrated which made their products cheaper, but once the competition had time to imitate these business practices, the advantage ended. But certainly if that poor economic case is enough to make new law, Facebook needs to keep itself congress's good side.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
1
@cpast Part of the confusion is that there's discontent on both sides of the political spectrum - some people feel like a platform like Facebook isn't moderating enough, allowing hoaxes and propaganda/Fake News as long as it generates ad revenue, while other people feel it is being politically selective in moderation. It's an even more complex issue because a company like Facebook has non-transparent moderation, that is not applied universally, but absolutely markets itself as a neutral platform. Hence people have tied the idea of no liability to neutrality, or see it as best-of-both-worlds.
– DariM
2 hours ago
And facebook explicitly claims to be neutral, not implicitly.
– A Simple Algorithm
2 hours ago
To raise it as a different question - in the increased instances of things like hoaxes and conspiracy theories affecting things like elections, people seem to be grappling with the question - who is responsible for combating this, or accountable to try and prevent it? Thus when they see something like this making a platform non-liable, they seem to be asking why, especially more so given how heavy-handed moderation on these platforms can be (e.g. deleting pictures some people post on Instagram because exposed shoulders "break community guidelines")
– DariM
2 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
1) They would be absolutely allowed to promote any political agenda as a publisher, but not necessary as a platform. It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot:
shielded from any liability for content posted by crazy users as if they were merely a platform;
having huge editorial discretion in selecting what to publish, as if they were a publisher.
2) Implicit expectation of being a neutral platform. Think like discovering that your mobile phone company treats customers differently pending on the issues they discuss or their political views. Even if it could be legal, it would still raise some eyebrows.
3) Convenient scapegoat. While attempts to regulate Big New Media to promote freedom of speech and platform neutrality is more right wing stuff, chance to blast some disliked CEO is enjoyed by politicians regardless of their views.
4) Uncharted waters and near market monopoly. Think this way, when Rockefeller started his oil trust, his business plan was technically speaking perfectly legal. Just such power abuse lead lawmakers to update and extend list of illegal practices.
5) Chance to grill on other unrelated issues like privacy violations or tax avoidance.
4
"It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot" -- It's only "contentious" in the way flag-burning is contentious -- the law clearly allows promoting a political agenda, courts uniformly enforce the clear text of the law, but some people lie about what the law clearly says because they figure people aren't going to double-check. The rest of the answer is spot-on, so +1.
– cpast
9 hours ago
Speaking of convenient scapegoats, Standard Oil had to constantly cut costs and compete on prices to maintain their dominant position, and were at something like 63% market share when broken up. They initially beat the competition by becoming vertically integrated which made their products cheaper, but once the competition had time to imitate these business practices, the advantage ended. But certainly if that poor economic case is enough to make new law, Facebook needs to keep itself congress's good side.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
1
@cpast Part of the confusion is that there's discontent on both sides of the political spectrum - some people feel like a platform like Facebook isn't moderating enough, allowing hoaxes and propaganda/Fake News as long as it generates ad revenue, while other people feel it is being politically selective in moderation. It's an even more complex issue because a company like Facebook has non-transparent moderation, that is not applied universally, but absolutely markets itself as a neutral platform. Hence people have tied the idea of no liability to neutrality, or see it as best-of-both-worlds.
– DariM
2 hours ago
And facebook explicitly claims to be neutral, not implicitly.
– A Simple Algorithm
2 hours ago
To raise it as a different question - in the increased instances of things like hoaxes and conspiracy theories affecting things like elections, people seem to be grappling with the question - who is responsible for combating this, or accountable to try and prevent it? Thus when they see something like this making a platform non-liable, they seem to be asking why, especially more so given how heavy-handed moderation on these platforms can be (e.g. deleting pictures some people post on Instagram because exposed shoulders "break community guidelines")
– DariM
2 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
1) They would be absolutely allowed to promote any political agenda as a publisher, but not necessary as a platform. It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot:
shielded from any liability for content posted by crazy users as if they were merely a platform;
having huge editorial discretion in selecting what to publish, as if they were a publisher.
2) Implicit expectation of being a neutral platform. Think like discovering that your mobile phone company treats customers differently pending on the issues they discuss or their political views. Even if it could be legal, it would still raise some eyebrows.
3) Convenient scapegoat. While attempts to regulate Big New Media to promote freedom of speech and platform neutrality is more right wing stuff, chance to blast some disliked CEO is enjoyed by politicians regardless of their views.
4) Uncharted waters and near market monopoly. Think this way, when Rockefeller started his oil trust, his business plan was technically speaking perfectly legal. Just such power abuse lead lawmakers to update and extend list of illegal practices.
5) Chance to grill on other unrelated issues like privacy violations or tax avoidance.
1) They would be absolutely allowed to promote any political agenda as a publisher, but not necessary as a platform. It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot:
shielded from any liability for content posted by crazy users as if they were merely a platform;
having huge editorial discretion in selecting what to publish, as if they were a publisher.
2) Implicit expectation of being a neutral platform. Think like discovering that your mobile phone company treats customers differently pending on the issues they discuss or their political views. Even if it could be legal, it would still raise some eyebrows.
3) Convenient scapegoat. While attempts to regulate Big New Media to promote freedom of speech and platform neutrality is more right wing stuff, chance to blast some disliked CEO is enjoyed by politicians regardless of their views.
4) Uncharted waters and near market monopoly. Think this way, when Rockefeller started his oil trust, his business plan was technically speaking perfectly legal. Just such power abuse lead lawmakers to update and extend list of illegal practices.
5) Chance to grill on other unrelated issues like privacy violations or tax avoidance.
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"It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot" -- It's only "contentious" in the way flag-burning is contentious -- the law clearly allows promoting a political agenda, courts uniformly enforce the clear text of the law, but some people lie about what the law clearly says because they figure people aren't going to double-check. The rest of the answer is spot-on, so +1.
– cpast
9 hours ago
Speaking of convenient scapegoats, Standard Oil had to constantly cut costs and compete on prices to maintain their dominant position, and were at something like 63% market share when broken up. They initially beat the competition by becoming vertically integrated which made their products cheaper, but once the competition had time to imitate these business practices, the advantage ended. But certainly if that poor economic case is enough to make new law, Facebook needs to keep itself congress's good side.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
1
@cpast Part of the confusion is that there's discontent on both sides of the political spectrum - some people feel like a platform like Facebook isn't moderating enough, allowing hoaxes and propaganda/Fake News as long as it generates ad revenue, while other people feel it is being politically selective in moderation. It's an even more complex issue because a company like Facebook has non-transparent moderation, that is not applied universally, but absolutely markets itself as a neutral platform. Hence people have tied the idea of no liability to neutrality, or see it as best-of-both-worlds.
– DariM
2 hours ago
And facebook explicitly claims to be neutral, not implicitly.
– A Simple Algorithm
2 hours ago
To raise it as a different question - in the increased instances of things like hoaxes and conspiracy theories affecting things like elections, people seem to be grappling with the question - who is responsible for combating this, or accountable to try and prevent it? Thus when they see something like this making a platform non-liable, they seem to be asking why, especially more so given how heavy-handed moderation on these platforms can be (e.g. deleting pictures some people post on Instagram because exposed shoulders "break community guidelines")
– DariM
2 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
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"It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot" -- It's only "contentious" in the way flag-burning is contentious -- the law clearly allows promoting a political agenda, courts uniformly enforce the clear text of the law, but some people lie about what the law clearly says because they figure people aren't going to double-check. The rest of the answer is spot-on, so +1.
– cpast
9 hours ago
Speaking of convenient scapegoats, Standard Oil had to constantly cut costs and compete on prices to maintain their dominant position, and were at something like 63% market share when broken up. They initially beat the competition by becoming vertically integrated which made their products cheaper, but once the competition had time to imitate these business practices, the advantage ended. But certainly if that poor economic case is enough to make new law, Facebook needs to keep itself congress's good side.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
1
@cpast Part of the confusion is that there's discontent on both sides of the political spectrum - some people feel like a platform like Facebook isn't moderating enough, allowing hoaxes and propaganda/Fake News as long as it generates ad revenue, while other people feel it is being politically selective in moderation. It's an even more complex issue because a company like Facebook has non-transparent moderation, that is not applied universally, but absolutely markets itself as a neutral platform. Hence people have tied the idea of no liability to neutrality, or see it as best-of-both-worlds.
– DariM
2 hours ago
And facebook explicitly claims to be neutral, not implicitly.
– A Simple Algorithm
2 hours ago
To raise it as a different question - in the increased instances of things like hoaxes and conspiracy theories affecting things like elections, people seem to be grappling with the question - who is responsible for combating this, or accountable to try and prevent it? Thus when they see something like this making a platform non-liable, they seem to be asking why, especially more so given how heavy-handed moderation on these platforms can be (e.g. deleting pictures some people post on Instagram because exposed shoulders "break community guidelines")
– DariM
2 hours ago
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"It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot" -- It's only "contentious" in the way flag-burning is contentious -- the law clearly allows promoting a political agenda, courts uniformly enforce the clear text of the law, but some people lie about what the law clearly says because they figure people aren't going to double-check. The rest of the answer is spot-on, so +1.
– cpast
9 hours ago
"It's contentious whether famous Section 230 allows them to find a perfect sweet spot" -- It's only "contentious" in the way flag-burning is contentious -- the law clearly allows promoting a political agenda, courts uniformly enforce the clear text of the law, but some people lie about what the law clearly says because they figure people aren't going to double-check. The rest of the answer is spot-on, so +1.
– cpast
9 hours ago
Speaking of convenient scapegoats, Standard Oil had to constantly cut costs and compete on prices to maintain their dominant position, and were at something like 63% market share when broken up. They initially beat the competition by becoming vertically integrated which made their products cheaper, but once the competition had time to imitate these business practices, the advantage ended. But certainly if that poor economic case is enough to make new law, Facebook needs to keep itself congress's good side.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
Speaking of convenient scapegoats, Standard Oil had to constantly cut costs and compete on prices to maintain their dominant position, and were at something like 63% market share when broken up. They initially beat the competition by becoming vertically integrated which made their products cheaper, but once the competition had time to imitate these business practices, the advantage ended. But certainly if that poor economic case is enough to make new law, Facebook needs to keep itself congress's good side.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
1
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@cpast Part of the confusion is that there's discontent on both sides of the political spectrum - some people feel like a platform like Facebook isn't moderating enough, allowing hoaxes and propaganda/Fake News as long as it generates ad revenue, while other people feel it is being politically selective in moderation. It's an even more complex issue because a company like Facebook has non-transparent moderation, that is not applied universally, but absolutely markets itself as a neutral platform. Hence people have tied the idea of no liability to neutrality, or see it as best-of-both-worlds.
– DariM
2 hours ago
@cpast Part of the confusion is that there's discontent on both sides of the political spectrum - some people feel like a platform like Facebook isn't moderating enough, allowing hoaxes and propaganda/Fake News as long as it generates ad revenue, while other people feel it is being politically selective in moderation. It's an even more complex issue because a company like Facebook has non-transparent moderation, that is not applied universally, but absolutely markets itself as a neutral platform. Hence people have tied the idea of no liability to neutrality, or see it as best-of-both-worlds.
– DariM
2 hours ago
And facebook explicitly claims to be neutral, not implicitly.
– A Simple Algorithm
2 hours ago
And facebook explicitly claims to be neutral, not implicitly.
– A Simple Algorithm
2 hours ago
To raise it as a different question - in the increased instances of things like hoaxes and conspiracy theories affecting things like elections, people seem to be grappling with the question - who is responsible for combating this, or accountable to try and prevent it? Thus when they see something like this making a platform non-liable, they seem to be asking why, especially more so given how heavy-handed moderation on these platforms can be (e.g. deleting pictures some people post on Instagram because exposed shoulders "break community guidelines")
– DariM
2 hours ago
To raise it as a different question - in the increased instances of things like hoaxes and conspiracy theories affecting things like elections, people seem to be grappling with the question - who is responsible for combating this, or accountable to try and prevent it? Thus when they see something like this making a platform non-liable, they seem to be asking why, especially more so given how heavy-handed moderation on these platforms can be (e.g. deleting pictures some people post on Instagram because exposed shoulders "break community guidelines")
– DariM
2 hours ago
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Facebook can and does actively promote a political agenda.
They even formed a Political Action Committee, FB PAC, through which they donate money to various politicians and PACs (and contrary to right-wing narrative, they have been known to give more money to GOP causes).
They also sell advertising space on their website for political ads, though this is a case of them promoting someone else's political agenda for money.
As for the user-generated content.
Social media websites give people the privilege (not a right) of using their services, typically free of charge, and that privilege can be revoked.
They have the right to delete any content they wish for whatever reason they want, or even no reason whatsoever. This is how they are able to block or delete things that may be legal but unpleasant.
- spam
- pornography
- horrific or disturbing content (use your imagination)
- links to malware
How does the First Amendment apply?
The First Amendment protects people from the government by limiting what the government can do. That's why contrary to popular belief the First Amendment doesn't protect you from being banned from a website.
Now if the government were to try to force a website to accept someone as a member, they would quickly run into an issue with the First Amendment right to Freedom of Association which guarantees an organization the right to exclude people from membership (even against people of Protected Classes, which political views definitely are not).
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There are numerous problems with that xkcd strip (the main one being that it conflates the right to freedom of speech with the First Amendment, when the First Amendment only offers limited protection of this right). Also, there are many pieces of valid legislation that mandate that businesses serve, or association allow certain persons, so there would be no constitutional barrier here provided it was drafted correctly (see Roberts v. United States Jaycees).
– studro
2 hours ago
@studro There's nothing being conflated in the comic, you only have freedom of speech from the government as guaranteed by the First Amendment. That's all there is to it. Also, if you actually read the link I have you will see that court case is mentioned, but there have been two newer cases which affirmed the right to exclude individuals even if they are protected classes (which political life choices definitely aren't).
– CrackpotCrocodile
54 mins ago
@studro So you've added nothing to the discussion here, but instead added misleading information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
53 mins ago
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Facebook can and does actively promote a political agenda.
They even formed a Political Action Committee, FB PAC, through which they donate money to various politicians and PACs (and contrary to right-wing narrative, they have been known to give more money to GOP causes).
They also sell advertising space on their website for political ads, though this is a case of them promoting someone else's political agenda for money.
As for the user-generated content.
Social media websites give people the privilege (not a right) of using their services, typically free of charge, and that privilege can be revoked.
They have the right to delete any content they wish for whatever reason they want, or even no reason whatsoever. This is how they are able to block or delete things that may be legal but unpleasant.
- spam
- pornography
- horrific or disturbing content (use your imagination)
- links to malware
How does the First Amendment apply?
The First Amendment protects people from the government by limiting what the government can do. That's why contrary to popular belief the First Amendment doesn't protect you from being banned from a website.
Now if the government were to try to force a website to accept someone as a member, they would quickly run into an issue with the First Amendment right to Freedom of Association which guarantees an organization the right to exclude people from membership (even against people of Protected Classes, which political views definitely are not).
1
There are numerous problems with that xkcd strip (the main one being that it conflates the right to freedom of speech with the First Amendment, when the First Amendment only offers limited protection of this right). Also, there are many pieces of valid legislation that mandate that businesses serve, or association allow certain persons, so there would be no constitutional barrier here provided it was drafted correctly (see Roberts v. United States Jaycees).
– studro
2 hours ago
@studro There's nothing being conflated in the comic, you only have freedom of speech from the government as guaranteed by the First Amendment. That's all there is to it. Also, if you actually read the link I have you will see that court case is mentioned, but there have been two newer cases which affirmed the right to exclude individuals even if they are protected classes (which political life choices definitely aren't).
– CrackpotCrocodile
54 mins ago
@studro So you've added nothing to the discussion here, but instead added misleading information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
53 mins ago
add a comment |
Facebook can and does actively promote a political agenda.
They even formed a Political Action Committee, FB PAC, through which they donate money to various politicians and PACs (and contrary to right-wing narrative, they have been known to give more money to GOP causes).
They also sell advertising space on their website for political ads, though this is a case of them promoting someone else's political agenda for money.
As for the user-generated content.
Social media websites give people the privilege (not a right) of using their services, typically free of charge, and that privilege can be revoked.
They have the right to delete any content they wish for whatever reason they want, or even no reason whatsoever. This is how they are able to block or delete things that may be legal but unpleasant.
- spam
- pornography
- horrific or disturbing content (use your imagination)
- links to malware
How does the First Amendment apply?
The First Amendment protects people from the government by limiting what the government can do. That's why contrary to popular belief the First Amendment doesn't protect you from being banned from a website.
Now if the government were to try to force a website to accept someone as a member, they would quickly run into an issue with the First Amendment right to Freedom of Association which guarantees an organization the right to exclude people from membership (even against people of Protected Classes, which political views definitely are not).
Facebook can and does actively promote a political agenda.
They even formed a Political Action Committee, FB PAC, through which they donate money to various politicians and PACs (and contrary to right-wing narrative, they have been known to give more money to GOP causes).
They also sell advertising space on their website for political ads, though this is a case of them promoting someone else's political agenda for money.
As for the user-generated content.
Social media websites give people the privilege (not a right) of using their services, typically free of charge, and that privilege can be revoked.
They have the right to delete any content they wish for whatever reason they want, or even no reason whatsoever. This is how they are able to block or delete things that may be legal but unpleasant.
- spam
- pornography
- horrific or disturbing content (use your imagination)
- links to malware
How does the First Amendment apply?
The First Amendment protects people from the government by limiting what the government can do. That's why contrary to popular belief the First Amendment doesn't protect you from being banned from a website.
Now if the government were to try to force a website to accept someone as a member, they would quickly run into an issue with the First Amendment right to Freedom of Association which guarantees an organization the right to exclude people from membership (even against people of Protected Classes, which political views definitely are not).
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There are numerous problems with that xkcd strip (the main one being that it conflates the right to freedom of speech with the First Amendment, when the First Amendment only offers limited protection of this right). Also, there are many pieces of valid legislation that mandate that businesses serve, or association allow certain persons, so there would be no constitutional barrier here provided it was drafted correctly (see Roberts v. United States Jaycees).
– studro
2 hours ago
@studro There's nothing being conflated in the comic, you only have freedom of speech from the government as guaranteed by the First Amendment. That's all there is to it. Also, if you actually read the link I have you will see that court case is mentioned, but there have been two newer cases which affirmed the right to exclude individuals even if they are protected classes (which political life choices definitely aren't).
– CrackpotCrocodile
54 mins ago
@studro So you've added nothing to the discussion here, but instead added misleading information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
53 mins ago
add a comment |
1
There are numerous problems with that xkcd strip (the main one being that it conflates the right to freedom of speech with the First Amendment, when the First Amendment only offers limited protection of this right). Also, there are many pieces of valid legislation that mandate that businesses serve, or association allow certain persons, so there would be no constitutional barrier here provided it was drafted correctly (see Roberts v. United States Jaycees).
– studro
2 hours ago
@studro There's nothing being conflated in the comic, you only have freedom of speech from the government as guaranteed by the First Amendment. That's all there is to it. Also, if you actually read the link I have you will see that court case is mentioned, but there have been two newer cases which affirmed the right to exclude individuals even if they are protected classes (which political life choices definitely aren't).
– CrackpotCrocodile
54 mins ago
@studro So you've added nothing to the discussion here, but instead added misleading information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
53 mins ago
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1
There are numerous problems with that xkcd strip (the main one being that it conflates the right to freedom of speech with the First Amendment, when the First Amendment only offers limited protection of this right). Also, there are many pieces of valid legislation that mandate that businesses serve, or association allow certain persons, so there would be no constitutional barrier here provided it was drafted correctly (see Roberts v. United States Jaycees).
– studro
2 hours ago
There are numerous problems with that xkcd strip (the main one being that it conflates the right to freedom of speech with the First Amendment, when the First Amendment only offers limited protection of this right). Also, there are many pieces of valid legislation that mandate that businesses serve, or association allow certain persons, so there would be no constitutional barrier here provided it was drafted correctly (see Roberts v. United States Jaycees).
– studro
2 hours ago
@studro There's nothing being conflated in the comic, you only have freedom of speech from the government as guaranteed by the First Amendment. That's all there is to it. Also, if you actually read the link I have you will see that court case is mentioned, but there have been two newer cases which affirmed the right to exclude individuals even if they are protected classes (which political life choices definitely aren't).
– CrackpotCrocodile
54 mins ago
@studro There's nothing being conflated in the comic, you only have freedom of speech from the government as guaranteed by the First Amendment. That's all there is to it. Also, if you actually read the link I have you will see that court case is mentioned, but there have been two newer cases which affirmed the right to exclude individuals even if they are protected classes (which political life choices definitely aren't).
– CrackpotCrocodile
54 mins ago
@studro So you've added nothing to the discussion here, but instead added misleading information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
53 mins ago
@studro So you've added nothing to the discussion here, but instead added misleading information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
53 mins ago
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The UK has no First Amendment… Please specify whether you want the scope to be US-only. And can you clarify whether that's "actively" or "openly", preferred by also quoting some such allegations of, hm, 'undue influence'?
– LangLangC
11 hours ago
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@LangLangC US only. And Zuckerberg being called into Senate where senators ask him if FB moderators are democratic or republican is what I'm thinking of.
– JonathanReez
11 hours ago