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Testing control surfaces pre flight; what feedback does pilot recieve?


What is the purpose exactly of a ‘Control Check’?Why isn't a human required to confirm visually that flight controls are moving?What is the advantage of the two-part rudder and how does it work?How should control surfaces be modeled in simulations?What is the point of making one control surface play the part of multiple control surfaces?What advice would you give a novice pilot on controlling the rudder?Why are trailing-edge control surfaces usually split?What determines spanwise placement of spoilers for roll control?What is a minimal step angle deflection for flight control surfaces?How often does an airline pilot use the rudder pedals during flight?Why do aircraft have a crossover airspeed, and why does it increase at higher vertical load factors?Why does the A320 use the rudder for lateral control in mechanical law?






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During taxi / pre-take off I see a lot of commercial airliners test the deflections of their various control surfaces like the rudder, ailerons etc.



What's the feedback received in this operation i.e. The pilots themselves cannot visually verify the full deflections achieved on command, right? Unlike on (say) a carrier etc where there's a spotter on the ground to confirm.



Just curious, what is the failure mode to be revealed in this sort of test. Is there some sort of internal avionics indicator that would tell the flight crew if the control surface was not reacting to the inputs as expected?










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During taxi / pre-take off I see a lot of commercial airliners test the deflections of their various control surfaces like the rudder, ailerons etc.



What's the feedback received in this operation i.e. The pilots themselves cannot visually verify the full deflections achieved on command, right? Unlike on (say) a carrier etc where there's a spotter on the ground to confirm.



Just curious, what is the failure mode to be revealed in this sort of test. Is there some sort of internal avionics indicator that would tell the flight crew if the control surface was not reacting to the inputs as expected?










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During taxi / pre-take off I see a lot of commercial airliners test the deflections of their various control surfaces like the rudder, ailerons etc.



What's the feedback received in this operation i.e. The pilots themselves cannot visually verify the full deflections achieved on command, right? Unlike on (say) a carrier etc where there's a spotter on the ground to confirm.



Just curious, what is the failure mode to be revealed in this sort of test. Is there some sort of internal avionics indicator that would tell the flight crew if the control surface was not reacting to the inputs as expected?










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During taxi / pre-take off I see a lot of commercial airliners test the deflections of their various control surfaces like the rudder, ailerons etc.



What's the feedback received in this operation i.e. The pilots themselves cannot visually verify the full deflections achieved on command, right? Unlike on (say) a carrier etc where there's a spotter on the ground to confirm.



Just curious, what is the failure mode to be revealed in this sort of test. Is there some sort of internal avionics indicator that would tell the flight crew if the control surface was not reacting to the inputs as expected?







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    Related: What is the purpose exactly of a ‘Control Check’? and Why isn't a human required to confirm visually that flight controls are moving?
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    The check is traditionally just to make sure the control locks are off.
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According to this PDF from Airbus (see section "The importance of the pre-flight, flight controls check"), the PF (pilot flying) moves the sidestick around in a defined manner while the PNF (pilot not flying) watches the ECAM F/CTL (flight control) page and calls out "full up", "full down", etc. (Actually the procedure is described in the A330 SOP but the linked document explains it in a comprehensible fashion.)



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The ECAM F/CTL page displays the actual position of the control surfaces. This video from Captain Joe explains the behaviour of the sidestick in an Airbus and shows how the control surfaces can be checked on the ECAM F/CTL page (from approx. 1:40 to 2:15).






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    According to this PDF from Airbus (see section "The importance of the pre-flight, flight controls check"), the PF (pilot flying) moves the sidestick around in a defined manner while the PNF (pilot not flying) watches the ECAM F/CTL (flight control) page and calls out "full up", "full down", etc. (Actually the procedure is described in the A330 SOP but the linked document explains it in a comprehensible fashion.)



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    The ECAM F/CTL page displays the actual position of the control surfaces. This video from Captain Joe explains the behaviour of the sidestick in an Airbus and shows how the control surfaces can be checked on the ECAM F/CTL page (from approx. 1:40 to 2:15).






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      According to this PDF from Airbus (see section "The importance of the pre-flight, flight controls check"), the PF (pilot flying) moves the sidestick around in a defined manner while the PNF (pilot not flying) watches the ECAM F/CTL (flight control) page and calls out "full up", "full down", etc. (Actually the procedure is described in the A330 SOP but the linked document explains it in a comprehensible fashion.)



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      Source



      The ECAM F/CTL page displays the actual position of the control surfaces. This video from Captain Joe explains the behaviour of the sidestick in an Airbus and shows how the control surfaces can be checked on the ECAM F/CTL page (from approx. 1:40 to 2:15).






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        According to this PDF from Airbus (see section "The importance of the pre-flight, flight controls check"), the PF (pilot flying) moves the sidestick around in a defined manner while the PNF (pilot not flying) watches the ECAM F/CTL (flight control) page and calls out "full up", "full down", etc. (Actually the procedure is described in the A330 SOP but the linked document explains it in a comprehensible fashion.)



        enter image description here



        Source



        The ECAM F/CTL page displays the actual position of the control surfaces. This video from Captain Joe explains the behaviour of the sidestick in an Airbus and shows how the control surfaces can be checked on the ECAM F/CTL page (from approx. 1:40 to 2:15).






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        According to this PDF from Airbus (see section "The importance of the pre-flight, flight controls check"), the PF (pilot flying) moves the sidestick around in a defined manner while the PNF (pilot not flying) watches the ECAM F/CTL (flight control) page and calls out "full up", "full down", etc. (Actually the procedure is described in the A330 SOP but the linked document explains it in a comprehensible fashion.)



        enter image description here



        Source



        The ECAM F/CTL page displays the actual position of the control surfaces. This video from Captain Joe explains the behaviour of the sidestick in an Airbus and shows how the control surfaces can be checked on the ECAM F/CTL page (from approx. 1:40 to 2:15).







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