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My boss wants me to say on my timesheet that I worked 8 hours a day, even if I didn't [duplicate]


How To Deal With Mis-represented TimesheetCan a part time employee move up in the organization?Should I log off topic time?How to document that I work irregular hours every day based on business needs and on-demand situations?Reporting Time EthicallyIs it rude to change my work schedule more than once?Manager is upset because I asked HR to clarify a company policy after he had explained it to meMy boss wants me to text him two hours before my shift starts, what are my options?My boss wants me to attend a meeting every day before work hours






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My supervisor does not want questions asked about our timesheets, so he directs we fill them out exactly the same each week. Sometimes we vary the hours we work each day, but he wants it to say 8 hours Monday through Friday, no matter how much or how little we work.



I want to be honest on the timesheet, but when I mentioned that, he said "I'm sorry you feel that way, but we need it to be 8 hours a day or payroll will go crazy."



Many weeks I'm there more than 45 hours a week. I know I'm salaried and won't get paid extra, but I want the timesheet to be an accurate record of my effort.



This especially bothers me, because the timesheet has a box I have to sign attesting to it's accuracy. This is driving me nuts that my supervisor would be so controlling. Should I simply do as I'm told or is there anything wrong with what my supervisor is doing I could tell higher ups?










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    If your hours are billed to a contract, charges of fraud are a real possibility, with the company being liable. If you can cultivate a friend in payroll you might be able to get the real scoop without inadvertently blowing a whistle.

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    Possible duplicate of How To Deal With Mis-represented Timesheet. (Substantially the same problem; slightly different situation.)

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    I want to answer, but this question is closed. It's possible that the interpretation of the timesheet is a bit inaccurate. For instance, the timesheet could be referring to "salaried hours" rather than "actual hours". Let's imagine that you work an extra couple of hours on Monday, but you take leave on Wednesday? Would you say you took 6 hours of leave on Wednesday or a full day? Also, don't discount the fact that there are crappy HR systems. If you can, reach out to HR. They may advise the same, but it will be in writing.

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My supervisor does not want questions asked about our timesheets, so he directs we fill them out exactly the same each week. Sometimes we vary the hours we work each day, but he wants it to say 8 hours Monday through Friday, no matter how much or how little we work.



I want to be honest on the timesheet, but when I mentioned that, he said "I'm sorry you feel that way, but we need it to be 8 hours a day or payroll will go crazy."



Many weeks I'm there more than 45 hours a week. I know I'm salaried and won't get paid extra, but I want the timesheet to be an accurate record of my effort.



This especially bothers me, because the timesheet has a box I have to sign attesting to it's accuracy. This is driving me nuts that my supervisor would be so controlling. Should I simply do as I'm told or is there anything wrong with what my supervisor is doing I could tell higher ups?










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  • Having started my working life on a timeclock, then after clocking out there was never any extra work...

    – Solar Mike
    23 hours ago






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    If your hours are billed to a contract, charges of fraud are a real possibility, with the company being liable. If you can cultivate a friend in payroll you might be able to get the real scoop without inadvertently blowing a whistle.

    – stolenmoment
    23 hours ago






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    Possible duplicate of How To Deal With Mis-represented Timesheet. (Substantially the same problem; slightly different situation.)

    – Blrfl
    18 hours ago







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    I want to answer, but this question is closed. It's possible that the interpretation of the timesheet is a bit inaccurate. For instance, the timesheet could be referring to "salaried hours" rather than "actual hours". Let's imagine that you work an extra couple of hours on Monday, but you take leave on Wednesday? Would you say you took 6 hours of leave on Wednesday or a full day? Also, don't discount the fact that there are crappy HR systems. If you can, reach out to HR. They may advise the same, but it will be in writing.

    – Gregory Currie
    3 hours ago













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My supervisor does not want questions asked about our timesheets, so he directs we fill them out exactly the same each week. Sometimes we vary the hours we work each day, but he wants it to say 8 hours Monday through Friday, no matter how much or how little we work.



I want to be honest on the timesheet, but when I mentioned that, he said "I'm sorry you feel that way, but we need it to be 8 hours a day or payroll will go crazy."



Many weeks I'm there more than 45 hours a week. I know I'm salaried and won't get paid extra, but I want the timesheet to be an accurate record of my effort.



This especially bothers me, because the timesheet has a box I have to sign attesting to it's accuracy. This is driving me nuts that my supervisor would be so controlling. Should I simply do as I'm told or is there anything wrong with what my supervisor is doing I could tell higher ups?










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My supervisor does not want questions asked about our timesheets, so he directs we fill them out exactly the same each week. Sometimes we vary the hours we work each day, but he wants it to say 8 hours Monday through Friday, no matter how much or how little we work.



I want to be honest on the timesheet, but when I mentioned that, he said "I'm sorry you feel that way, but we need it to be 8 hours a day or payroll will go crazy."



Many weeks I'm there more than 45 hours a week. I know I'm salaried and won't get paid extra, but I want the timesheet to be an accurate record of my effort.



This especially bothers me, because the timesheet has a box I have to sign attesting to it's accuracy. This is driving me nuts that my supervisor would be so controlling. Should I simply do as I'm told or is there anything wrong with what my supervisor is doing I could tell higher ups?





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    Though aren’t you part time doing only 32 hours a week? See workplace.stackexchange.com/q/142214/75821

    – Solar Mike
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  • Having started my working life on a timeclock, then after clocking out there was never any extra work...

    – Solar Mike
    23 hours ago






  • 3





    If your hours are billed to a contract, charges of fraud are a real possibility, with the company being liable. If you can cultivate a friend in payroll you might be able to get the real scoop without inadvertently blowing a whistle.

    – stolenmoment
    23 hours ago






  • 1





    Possible duplicate of How To Deal With Mis-represented Timesheet. (Substantially the same problem; slightly different situation.)

    – Blrfl
    18 hours ago







  • 1





    I want to answer, but this question is closed. It's possible that the interpretation of the timesheet is a bit inaccurate. For instance, the timesheet could be referring to "salaried hours" rather than "actual hours". Let's imagine that you work an extra couple of hours on Monday, but you take leave on Wednesday? Would you say you took 6 hours of leave on Wednesday or a full day? Also, don't discount the fact that there are crappy HR systems. If you can, reach out to HR. They may advise the same, but it will be in writing.

    – Gregory Currie
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    Though aren’t you part time doing only 32 hours a week? See workplace.stackexchange.com/q/142214/75821

    – Solar Mike
    yesterday











  • Having started my working life on a timeclock, then after clocking out there was never any extra work...

    – Solar Mike
    23 hours ago






  • 3





    If your hours are billed to a contract, charges of fraud are a real possibility, with the company being liable. If you can cultivate a friend in payroll you might be able to get the real scoop without inadvertently blowing a whistle.

    – stolenmoment
    23 hours ago






  • 1





    Possible duplicate of How To Deal With Mis-represented Timesheet. (Substantially the same problem; slightly different situation.)

    – Blrfl
    18 hours ago







  • 1





    I want to answer, but this question is closed. It's possible that the interpretation of the timesheet is a bit inaccurate. For instance, the timesheet could be referring to "salaried hours" rather than "actual hours". Let's imagine that you work an extra couple of hours on Monday, but you take leave on Wednesday? Would you say you took 6 hours of leave on Wednesday or a full day? Also, don't discount the fact that there are crappy HR systems. If you can, reach out to HR. They may advise the same, but it will be in writing.

    – Gregory Currie
    3 hours ago







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Though aren’t you part time doing only 32 hours a week? See workplace.stackexchange.com/q/142214/75821

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Though aren’t you part time doing only 32 hours a week? See workplace.stackexchange.com/q/142214/75821

– Solar Mike
yesterday













Having started my working life on a timeclock, then after clocking out there was never any extra work...

– Solar Mike
23 hours ago





Having started my working life on a timeclock, then after clocking out there was never any extra work...

– Solar Mike
23 hours ago




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If your hours are billed to a contract, charges of fraud are a real possibility, with the company being liable. If you can cultivate a friend in payroll you might be able to get the real scoop without inadvertently blowing a whistle.

– stolenmoment
23 hours ago





If your hours are billed to a contract, charges of fraud are a real possibility, with the company being liable. If you can cultivate a friend in payroll you might be able to get the real scoop without inadvertently blowing a whistle.

– stolenmoment
23 hours ago




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Possible duplicate of How To Deal With Mis-represented Timesheet. (Substantially the same problem; slightly different situation.)

– Blrfl
18 hours ago






Possible duplicate of How To Deal With Mis-represented Timesheet. (Substantially the same problem; slightly different situation.)

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I want to answer, but this question is closed. It's possible that the interpretation of the timesheet is a bit inaccurate. For instance, the timesheet could be referring to "salaried hours" rather than "actual hours". Let's imagine that you work an extra couple of hours on Monday, but you take leave on Wednesday? Would you say you took 6 hours of leave on Wednesday or a full day? Also, don't discount the fact that there are crappy HR systems. If you can, reach out to HR. They may advise the same, but it will be in writing.

– Gregory Currie
3 hours ago





I want to answer, but this question is closed. It's possible that the interpretation of the timesheet is a bit inaccurate. For instance, the timesheet could be referring to "salaried hours" rather than "actual hours". Let's imagine that you work an extra couple of hours on Monday, but you take leave on Wednesday? Would you say you took 6 hours of leave on Wednesday or a full day? Also, don't discount the fact that there are crappy HR systems. If you can, reach out to HR. They may advise the same, but it will be in writing.

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Take both options.



Fill out the timesheets that go to payroll the way that payroll wants them to be filled out. Then, create your own spreadsheet to track time accurately, and save that for your own records. Keep these in case you need to cover yourself for whatever reason.



If you ever find some need to show people how much you've actually worked, show them your version. Otherwise, just let them sit on your computer forever.






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    OP is providing a signed timesheet to payroll; "oh, but really, this is the spreadsheet I use and it's the one that's accurate" explicitly means "I regularly lie on my timesheets and sign them anyway." Not only will the spreadsheet not be regarded as a useful document, it could be a pretty nasty strike against the employee, particularly if their reported hours are used for billing (I don't think it's clear from the question whether or not that's the case).

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Explain to your supervisor that the timesheet has to be accurate as:



(a) you're signing to that effect, and it would be immoral and illegal to sign a false declaration



(b) the timesheet records when you are on the employer's business and in the event of any dispute or claim will be produced as evidence. For example, if you are injured whether you are on employer's time or your own time may be very relevant, or if the business is sued for something you've done the business will need you to be covered by its liability insurance.



Then you have two choices:



(a) you submit an accurate timesheet to your supervisor and refuse to discuss it further. That is your timesheet. End of discussion. (Keep a photocopy.) Payroll's problems are payroll's problems, not yours. (Although I suspect that if you aren't actually being paid any more, there may be a cost allocation issue and your supervisor is trying to keep his section's budgeted hours down.)



(b) you work only the hours stated on the timesheet that your supervisor will authorise. Not one minute earlier or later. Those are the hours your supervisor has instructed and authorised, so those are what you do. Not more and not less.






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    Take both options.



    Fill out the timesheets that go to payroll the way that payroll wants them to be filled out. Then, create your own spreadsheet to track time accurately, and save that for your own records. Keep these in case you need to cover yourself for whatever reason.



    If you ever find some need to show people how much you've actually worked, show them your version. Otherwise, just let them sit on your computer forever.






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      OP is providing a signed timesheet to payroll; "oh, but really, this is the spreadsheet I use and it's the one that's accurate" explicitly means "I regularly lie on my timesheets and sign them anyway." Not only will the spreadsheet not be regarded as a useful document, it could be a pretty nasty strike against the employee, particularly if their reported hours are used for billing (I don't think it's clear from the question whether or not that's the case).

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    • This sounds like bad advice. Did you lie on your submitted timesheet or did you lie on your personal record? Either way you're a liar.

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    Take both options.



    Fill out the timesheets that go to payroll the way that payroll wants them to be filled out. Then, create your own spreadsheet to track time accurately, and save that for your own records. Keep these in case you need to cover yourself for whatever reason.



    If you ever find some need to show people how much you've actually worked, show them your version. Otherwise, just let them sit on your computer forever.






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      OP is providing a signed timesheet to payroll; "oh, but really, this is the spreadsheet I use and it's the one that's accurate" explicitly means "I regularly lie on my timesheets and sign them anyway." Not only will the spreadsheet not be regarded as a useful document, it could be a pretty nasty strike against the employee, particularly if their reported hours are used for billing (I don't think it's clear from the question whether or not that's the case).

      – kungphu
      19 hours ago











    • This sounds like bad advice. Did you lie on your submitted timesheet or did you lie on your personal record? Either way you're a liar.

      – Greg Schmit
      13 hours ago













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    Take both options.



    Fill out the timesheets that go to payroll the way that payroll wants them to be filled out. Then, create your own spreadsheet to track time accurately, and save that for your own records. Keep these in case you need to cover yourself for whatever reason.



    If you ever find some need to show people how much you've actually worked, show them your version. Otherwise, just let them sit on your computer forever.






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    Take both options.



    Fill out the timesheets that go to payroll the way that payroll wants them to be filled out. Then, create your own spreadsheet to track time accurately, and save that for your own records. Keep these in case you need to cover yourself for whatever reason.



    If you ever find some need to show people how much you've actually worked, show them your version. Otherwise, just let them sit on your computer forever.







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      OP is providing a signed timesheet to payroll; "oh, but really, this is the spreadsheet I use and it's the one that's accurate" explicitly means "I regularly lie on my timesheets and sign them anyway." Not only will the spreadsheet not be regarded as a useful document, it could be a pretty nasty strike against the employee, particularly if their reported hours are used for billing (I don't think it's clear from the question whether or not that's the case).

      – kungphu
      19 hours ago











    • This sounds like bad advice. Did you lie on your submitted timesheet or did you lie on your personal record? Either way you're a liar.

      – Greg Schmit
      13 hours ago












    • 3





      OP is providing a signed timesheet to payroll; "oh, but really, this is the spreadsheet I use and it's the one that's accurate" explicitly means "I regularly lie on my timesheets and sign them anyway." Not only will the spreadsheet not be regarded as a useful document, it could be a pretty nasty strike against the employee, particularly if their reported hours are used for billing (I don't think it's clear from the question whether or not that's the case).

      – kungphu
      19 hours ago











    • This sounds like bad advice. Did you lie on your submitted timesheet or did you lie on your personal record? Either way you're a liar.

      – Greg Schmit
      13 hours ago







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    OP is providing a signed timesheet to payroll; "oh, but really, this is the spreadsheet I use and it's the one that's accurate" explicitly means "I regularly lie on my timesheets and sign them anyway." Not only will the spreadsheet not be regarded as a useful document, it could be a pretty nasty strike against the employee, particularly if their reported hours are used for billing (I don't think it's clear from the question whether or not that's the case).

    – kungphu
    19 hours ago





    OP is providing a signed timesheet to payroll; "oh, but really, this is the spreadsheet I use and it's the one that's accurate" explicitly means "I regularly lie on my timesheets and sign them anyway." Not only will the spreadsheet not be regarded as a useful document, it could be a pretty nasty strike against the employee, particularly if their reported hours are used for billing (I don't think it's clear from the question whether or not that's the case).

    – kungphu
    19 hours ago













    This sounds like bad advice. Did you lie on your submitted timesheet or did you lie on your personal record? Either way you're a liar.

    – Greg Schmit
    13 hours ago





    This sounds like bad advice. Did you lie on your submitted timesheet or did you lie on your personal record? Either way you're a liar.

    – Greg Schmit
    13 hours ago













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    Explain to your supervisor that the timesheet has to be accurate as:



    (a) you're signing to that effect, and it would be immoral and illegal to sign a false declaration



    (b) the timesheet records when you are on the employer's business and in the event of any dispute or claim will be produced as evidence. For example, if you are injured whether you are on employer's time or your own time may be very relevant, or if the business is sued for something you've done the business will need you to be covered by its liability insurance.



    Then you have two choices:



    (a) you submit an accurate timesheet to your supervisor and refuse to discuss it further. That is your timesheet. End of discussion. (Keep a photocopy.) Payroll's problems are payroll's problems, not yours. (Although I suspect that if you aren't actually being paid any more, there may be a cost allocation issue and your supervisor is trying to keep his section's budgeted hours down.)



    (b) you work only the hours stated on the timesheet that your supervisor will authorise. Not one minute earlier or later. Those are the hours your supervisor has instructed and authorised, so those are what you do. Not more and not less.






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      Explain to your supervisor that the timesheet has to be accurate as:



      (a) you're signing to that effect, and it would be immoral and illegal to sign a false declaration



      (b) the timesheet records when you are on the employer's business and in the event of any dispute or claim will be produced as evidence. For example, if you are injured whether you are on employer's time or your own time may be very relevant, or if the business is sued for something you've done the business will need you to be covered by its liability insurance.



      Then you have two choices:



      (a) you submit an accurate timesheet to your supervisor and refuse to discuss it further. That is your timesheet. End of discussion. (Keep a photocopy.) Payroll's problems are payroll's problems, not yours. (Although I suspect that if you aren't actually being paid any more, there may be a cost allocation issue and your supervisor is trying to keep his section's budgeted hours down.)



      (b) you work only the hours stated on the timesheet that your supervisor will authorise. Not one minute earlier or later. Those are the hours your supervisor has instructed and authorised, so those are what you do. Not more and not less.






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        Explain to your supervisor that the timesheet has to be accurate as:



        (a) you're signing to that effect, and it would be immoral and illegal to sign a false declaration



        (b) the timesheet records when you are on the employer's business and in the event of any dispute or claim will be produced as evidence. For example, if you are injured whether you are on employer's time or your own time may be very relevant, or if the business is sued for something you've done the business will need you to be covered by its liability insurance.



        Then you have two choices:



        (a) you submit an accurate timesheet to your supervisor and refuse to discuss it further. That is your timesheet. End of discussion. (Keep a photocopy.) Payroll's problems are payroll's problems, not yours. (Although I suspect that if you aren't actually being paid any more, there may be a cost allocation issue and your supervisor is trying to keep his section's budgeted hours down.)



        (b) you work only the hours stated on the timesheet that your supervisor will authorise. Not one minute earlier or later. Those are the hours your supervisor has instructed and authorised, so those are what you do. Not more and not less.






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        Explain to your supervisor that the timesheet has to be accurate as:



        (a) you're signing to that effect, and it would be immoral and illegal to sign a false declaration



        (b) the timesheet records when you are on the employer's business and in the event of any dispute or claim will be produced as evidence. For example, if you are injured whether you are on employer's time or your own time may be very relevant, or if the business is sued for something you've done the business will need you to be covered by its liability insurance.



        Then you have two choices:



        (a) you submit an accurate timesheet to your supervisor and refuse to discuss it further. That is your timesheet. End of discussion. (Keep a photocopy.) Payroll's problems are payroll's problems, not yours. (Although I suspect that if you aren't actually being paid any more, there may be a cost allocation issue and your supervisor is trying to keep his section's budgeted hours down.)



        (b) you work only the hours stated on the timesheet that your supervisor will authorise. Not one minute earlier or later. Those are the hours your supervisor has instructed and authorised, so those are what you do. Not more and not less.







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