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How can I train a replacement without letting my bosses and the replacement knowing?
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I am networking to change jobs. I want to train a replacement at my current job. I have identified the person. I need to have more one-on-one time with that coworker, but it is challenging to arrange.
My bosses cannot know that I am considering leaving, because they will make my worklife miserable.
I want my coworker to be well established to fill my role and be in line for promotion and a good opportunity after my departure. We are not close, but I know that they are in such a situation as to benefit greatly personally and professionally. So I also do not want to let them in on my plan. Especially as it may cause bad repercussions for them if they are found to knowingly go along with my plan.
Having them well trained will also minimize any stress to my employer, though they may not appreciate it, if they knew my plan now. How can I give my coworker the training in the time I have left?
I'm concerned if I propose training someone, the company would never select the individual I have in mind. They like to create paths for their 'favorites'. I want to disrupt that unfair practice by creating a formidable replacement that cannot be argued against and is not going to perpetuate partiality. But perhaps I'm becoming the thing I hate, but being partial myself? I just realized my folly.
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I am networking to change jobs. I want to train a replacement at my current job. I have identified the person. I need to have more one-on-one time with that coworker, but it is challenging to arrange.
My bosses cannot know that I am considering leaving, because they will make my worklife miserable.
I want my coworker to be well established to fill my role and be in line for promotion and a good opportunity after my departure. We are not close, but I know that they are in such a situation as to benefit greatly personally and professionally. So I also do not want to let them in on my plan. Especially as it may cause bad repercussions for them if they are found to knowingly go along with my plan.
Having them well trained will also minimize any stress to my employer, though they may not appreciate it, if they knew my plan now. How can I give my coworker the training in the time I have left?
I'm concerned if I propose training someone, the company would never select the individual I have in mind. They like to create paths for their 'favorites'. I want to disrupt that unfair practice by creating a formidable replacement that cannot be argued against and is not going to perpetuate partiality. But perhaps I'm becoming the thing I hate, but being partial myself? I just realized my folly.
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I am networking to change jobs. I want to train a replacement at my current job. I have identified the person. I need to have more one-on-one time with that coworker, but it is challenging to arrange.
My bosses cannot know that I am considering leaving, because they will make my worklife miserable.
I want my coworker to be well established to fill my role and be in line for promotion and a good opportunity after my departure. We are not close, but I know that they are in such a situation as to benefit greatly personally and professionally. So I also do not want to let them in on my plan. Especially as it may cause bad repercussions for them if they are found to knowingly go along with my plan.
Having them well trained will also minimize any stress to my employer, though they may not appreciate it, if they knew my plan now. How can I give my coworker the training in the time I have left?
I'm concerned if I propose training someone, the company would never select the individual I have in mind. They like to create paths for their 'favorites'. I want to disrupt that unfair practice by creating a formidable replacement that cannot be argued against and is not going to perpetuate partiality. But perhaps I'm becoming the thing I hate, but being partial myself? I just realized my folly.
communication training knowledge-transfer
I am networking to change jobs. I want to train a replacement at my current job. I have identified the person. I need to have more one-on-one time with that coworker, but it is challenging to arrange.
My bosses cannot know that I am considering leaving, because they will make my worklife miserable.
I want my coworker to be well established to fill my role and be in line for promotion and a good opportunity after my departure. We are not close, but I know that they are in such a situation as to benefit greatly personally and professionally. So I also do not want to let them in on my plan. Especially as it may cause bad repercussions for them if they are found to knowingly go along with my plan.
Having them well trained will also minimize any stress to my employer, though they may not appreciate it, if they knew my plan now. How can I give my coworker the training in the time I have left?
I'm concerned if I propose training someone, the company would never select the individual I have in mind. They like to create paths for their 'favorites'. I want to disrupt that unfair practice by creating a formidable replacement that cannot be argued against and is not going to perpetuate partiality. But perhaps I'm becoming the thing I hate, but being partial myself? I just realized my folly.
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Start working with the person where you can
Several answers suggest dishonesty. I would however stay away from that if you can, especially since it may not even be needed.
If you have absolutely no opportunity to work with the person, or have no reason to ask them to pick up work, then you are pretty much out of options. However, otherwise look out for the following situations:
- When you have collaboration moments, try to use these for things that are important to transfer.
- If you have the chance to ask the colleague to pick up any work for you, just ask them to pick up the stuff that will help them build knowledge.
- If you are in a position to help/do work for the other person, make sure to do this in a way that helps them understand what you are doing as well.
- When you are together, talk about work. It is no real substitute for doing, but it can help build understanding and knowledge allowing them to pick things up quickly later. On top of this, it also helps the other person know what they would be getting into.
Especially if the person is eager/junior to you, these kinds of things should simply be seen as nice opportunities from their perspective. And assuming they are not doing things that are really outside their responsibilities, the manager will likely not be bothered by it as well.
If all goes well, and the person is growing to be more capable you can ultimately recommend them as a replacement to management based on what you have seen them do. However, keep in mind there is a fair chance the management will still overrule your suggestion, in which case you should show your professional side and train that person to the best of your abilities.
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How can I give my coworker the training in the time I have left?
You don't, this is your boss's job to assign not yours. When you resign from the company, your boss will decide who ( if anyone ) will be trained to fill your role. They will also decide if you will be the one doing the training or not.
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Present the training activity to both the trainee and your managers as improving the bus factor. It is prudent to have at least two people capable of doing any job.
Talk to your manager first, so that you are certain who they want you to train.
Training the wrong person could create an extremely difficult situation when you resign. Training person X would make them expect to be your successor, and leave them feeling resentful if your manager prefers person Y. Your X training effort would have been wasted, and you would have to do hurry-up training of Y during your notice period.
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They would select a different person for the training. I have a particular person in mind.
– RR 2
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@RR2 I have expanded my answer in response to your comment. Training anyone other than your manger's choice would be inappropriate. You can recommend, but ultimately selecting your successor is your manager's responsibility, and not something you should try to preempt.
– Patricia Shanahan
2 days ago
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Looping the relevant managers in on any training/skill sharing/etc schemes is also important as they may have more knowledge about your coworkers and the business's long-term plans and goals than you. - You also don't want to get caught in the awkward spot of having independently focused on skills development of a junior coworker who then jumps ship with their 'new and improved skills' before you get around to leaving...
– TheLuckless
2 days ago
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@RR2 Yes this, and if simply saying it will improve the bus factor doesn't convince them, try saying there's a rising trend that you're getting more work than you're confident in accomplishing, that one of these days you will have to start choosing what to do instead of what to do first. You would like a junior to delegate some low hanging fruit to so you can focus on the larger issues with less interruptions, and person X seems capable enough.
– Kevin
yesterday
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Perhaps in your next job you will have the privilege of making these decisions, @RR2!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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"Getting hit by a bus"
You're training someone to do what you do so that if you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency your company has someone ready and trained to fill in your role until you come back (or don't).
Its just a level of insurance that your company's management should see as a "good thing" not something to fear that you're intending to leave. It just so happens to let you extricate yourself without leaving the company in the lurch when you do hand in your resignation.
Yeah, but training one person to replace one person who will be leaving isn't reducing the bus factor in any way. To reduce the bus factor, you need to share your knowledge to multiple people. In that way, if you disappear, your tasks can be taken care of by multiple people instead of dumping it all at once to a single person.
– Abigail
yesterday
yes but that would be another bus :)
– brett
yesterday
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@Abigail You training one replacement might not change the bus factor after you leave, but that's not your problem. To your superiors you're changing the bus factor from 1 to 2 (you leaving is the bus from their perspective).
– Draco18s
yesterday
"you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency" Or get promoted, or get another job within the company.
– Acccumulation
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Before all of that surreptitious training the easiest and best way to do this is to write a whole bunch of great documentation and comment your code. That way no matter who gets picked after you're gone will have a good starting position. Even the person that comes after them will benefit (especially if it is kept up to date.) You also won't need to worry so much about training them up yourself, they can learn after you leave.
But if you really want to try to secretly train this specific person you'll need to get them to start working on the system. You could try claiming illness or just being overworked and ask if they could cover just this one "little task" for you. Start getting them to work on little bits of the system. Let them ask you a bunch of questions about it.
This isn't really a morally okay thing to do. Your co-worker isn't going to appreciate it while you're doing it. You may get in trouble for not doing your own work. The only way (except for good doco) that they will learn about the system is to work on it. So you'll need to find some way to get them to do that. (Alternatively just tell your co-worker what is going on and let them study the system and ask you questions. As long as they won't tell your boss.)
Not sure how to vote as I like the documentation part, but think that feigning illnes etc. is not an appropriate recommendation. Have tried to provide an alternative to the second part of this answer here: workplace.stackexchange.com/a/142373/19191
– Dennis Jaheruddin
19 hours ago
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Who anything about code / software development?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
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My bosses cannot know that I am considering leaving, because they will
make my worklife miserable.
I want my coworker to be well established to fill my role and be in
line for promotion and a good opportunity after my departure. We are
not close, but I know that they are in such a situation as to benefit
greatly personally and professionally. So I also do not want to let
them in on my plan. Especially as it may cause bad repercussions for
them if they are found to knowingly go along with my plan.
So your plan is to sneak around and be deceptive, both to your bosses and your colleague?
That doesn't sound like a good plan.
I can understand your not wanting to tip your hand to your bosses, but involving your colleague in your plan without their knowledge is deceptive, dishonest, and could potentially put their job in jeopardy.
I'd caution you to rethink your approach to this issue.
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"Don't worry boss man, I trained Bob! He knows all about it!"
– Dan
2 days ago
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I do not want to deceive anyone. I do not plan on lying. I do not think this information is something they have a right to. Why is that deception?
– RR 2
2 days ago
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I'll give you several types of dishonest behavior that I think apply here. Look them up:1.
Lying by vagueness or ambiguity.2.
Lying by omission.3.
Withholding.4.
Tacit dishonesty.
– joeqwerty
2 days ago
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In order to be any of those things (lying by...), it needs to be deceptive. I have not seen any deceit on the part of @RR2. The only thing I've seen is a desire to help an underdog have a chance. You can call it whatever you want but the normal practice that OP is trying to disrupt, promoting the golden boy at the expense of everyone else, is the only unfair thing here.
– Aaron
2 days ago
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This is a very strong reaction. Would you have the OP tell his employer that he is looking for another job? Almost everyone on this site would advise against that until OP is ready to give notice, but withholding that is deceptive, no?
– bruglesco
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Don't make plans for other people, assuming you know what's best for them.
This includes your employer and the coworker you wish to train to be your replacement.
You've got good intentions here and that's commendable. But the fact is, your version of how people will behave and what they'll want to do once they learn you're leaving is likely wildly wrong.
Frankly, people usually overestimate the impact of their leaving on the company and their colleagues. This is expected - you're obviously the center of everything that you do at work, and so you see everything as it relates to that - so naturally everything you do looks especially impactful and important. Other people have a different viewpoint.
In this instance, it's very possible that the colleague you want to train to replace you simply isn't interested at all in doing your job, for example. Or even if they are, that management would have no intention of promoting them into the position anyway. What you see as an obvious opportunity, worth twisting yourself in knots to give to this person, may turn out to just be nothing.
If you want to leave, then secure another position first, then do the following:
- Give your contractually agreed notice to your employer. Mention nothing about your colleague at first, but ask them if they're ok with you telling people straight away.
If yes, then go to your colleague and ask them privately if they'd be interested in your job.
If yes, suggest to your colleague a handover training plan to best line them up for this. Make sure they know this is you suggesting this, not the employer, and you'll suggest it to the employer if they agree.
Only if they are OK with it, then go back to your employer, tell them your colleague is interested, sell them as a good candidate, and suggest the handover plan.
If your employer agrees it's a good idea, implement it.
Assume nothing. Do everything in the open. Make suggestions, sure, but let everyone involved take their own decisions about what will happen at every stage, before you proceed.
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Tell your boss you are quitting. They really can't do much to make your life hell. Just work your fixed hours at a regular pace and go home. Make sure to use all your holiday before you leave. As you are the one leaving, you have a lot of power. Your boss will want you to train a replacement. If they treat you badly, you will just leave.
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Do this once you find a new job, not before.
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They can do illegal violent stuff to you and/or your property without any realistic way for you to respond if the premises are solely monitored by the company and the person in question is a sole proprietor-- getting evidence of any foul play is next-to impossible and if the foul play creates only civil rather than criminal liability acting on any evidence even should you eventually win your case and somehow get more back from the lawsuit than the process cost will nonetheless seriously hinder you from getting a job in the future.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
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They can also verbally abuse you, cut your pay, reassign you to dangerous or unpleasant work, or otherwise engage in constructive firing practices. Maybe they can't make your life hell legally (though that very much depends on jurisdiction) but, at least in the US, making your life hell once they know you are leaving is almost typifying of bad employers.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
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They can't verbally abuse you. You just walk out. They can't doing anything violent without it becoming a criminal matter. If you are that afraid of your workplace, just don't go back.
– David
yesterday
@David: Who has the burden of proof?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
What burden of proof? If you're in a toxic environment, get out as soon as you can.
– David
12 hours ago
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You don't because the only ethical way to do what you suggest is if you could train this person on your own time, on your own equipment, outside of business offices. Or if your employer has a loop-hole allowing you to spend hours training people however you like which it doesn't sound like.
But perhaps I'm becoming the thing I hate, but being partial myself?
Absolutely. The fact you have your job proves that your employer is not as bad as you paint them. Unless you're saying that you don't really deserve the title/role you have. So we know that they aren't always bad & that they (according to you) aren't always good. That describes like 99% of the employers people actually want to work for, you know.
At any rate it's your employer's prerogative to manage employee positions. Not yours. Sometimes employers ask employees for advice/opinions on promotions but that's not the case here. Maybe if you told your employer that you're leaving they would give you the opportunity to help them train/select someone. Obviously you'd also face the risk of being shown the door before you want.
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Start working with the person where you can
Several answers suggest dishonesty. I would however stay away from that if you can, especially since it may not even be needed.
If you have absolutely no opportunity to work with the person, or have no reason to ask them to pick up work, then you are pretty much out of options. However, otherwise look out for the following situations:
- When you have collaboration moments, try to use these for things that are important to transfer.
- If you have the chance to ask the colleague to pick up any work for you, just ask them to pick up the stuff that will help them build knowledge.
- If you are in a position to help/do work for the other person, make sure to do this in a way that helps them understand what you are doing as well.
- When you are together, talk about work. It is no real substitute for doing, but it can help build understanding and knowledge allowing them to pick things up quickly later. On top of this, it also helps the other person know what they would be getting into.
Especially if the person is eager/junior to you, these kinds of things should simply be seen as nice opportunities from their perspective. And assuming they are not doing things that are really outside their responsibilities, the manager will likely not be bothered by it as well.
If all goes well, and the person is growing to be more capable you can ultimately recommend them as a replacement to management based on what you have seen them do. However, keep in mind there is a fair chance the management will still overrule your suggestion, in which case you should show your professional side and train that person to the best of your abilities.
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Start working with the person where you can
Several answers suggest dishonesty. I would however stay away from that if you can, especially since it may not even be needed.
If you have absolutely no opportunity to work with the person, or have no reason to ask them to pick up work, then you are pretty much out of options. However, otherwise look out for the following situations:
- When you have collaboration moments, try to use these for things that are important to transfer.
- If you have the chance to ask the colleague to pick up any work for you, just ask them to pick up the stuff that will help them build knowledge.
- If you are in a position to help/do work for the other person, make sure to do this in a way that helps them understand what you are doing as well.
- When you are together, talk about work. It is no real substitute for doing, but it can help build understanding and knowledge allowing them to pick things up quickly later. On top of this, it also helps the other person know what they would be getting into.
Especially if the person is eager/junior to you, these kinds of things should simply be seen as nice opportunities from their perspective. And assuming they are not doing things that are really outside their responsibilities, the manager will likely not be bothered by it as well.
If all goes well, and the person is growing to be more capable you can ultimately recommend them as a replacement to management based on what you have seen them do. However, keep in mind there is a fair chance the management will still overrule your suggestion, in which case you should show your professional side and train that person to the best of your abilities.
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Start working with the person where you can
Several answers suggest dishonesty. I would however stay away from that if you can, especially since it may not even be needed.
If you have absolutely no opportunity to work with the person, or have no reason to ask them to pick up work, then you are pretty much out of options. However, otherwise look out for the following situations:
- When you have collaboration moments, try to use these for things that are important to transfer.
- If you have the chance to ask the colleague to pick up any work for you, just ask them to pick up the stuff that will help them build knowledge.
- If you are in a position to help/do work for the other person, make sure to do this in a way that helps them understand what you are doing as well.
- When you are together, talk about work. It is no real substitute for doing, but it can help build understanding and knowledge allowing them to pick things up quickly later. On top of this, it also helps the other person know what they would be getting into.
Especially if the person is eager/junior to you, these kinds of things should simply be seen as nice opportunities from their perspective. And assuming they are not doing things that are really outside their responsibilities, the manager will likely not be bothered by it as well.
If all goes well, and the person is growing to be more capable you can ultimately recommend them as a replacement to management based on what you have seen them do. However, keep in mind there is a fair chance the management will still overrule your suggestion, in which case you should show your professional side and train that person to the best of your abilities.
Start working with the person where you can
Several answers suggest dishonesty. I would however stay away from that if you can, especially since it may not even be needed.
If you have absolutely no opportunity to work with the person, or have no reason to ask them to pick up work, then you are pretty much out of options. However, otherwise look out for the following situations:
- When you have collaboration moments, try to use these for things that are important to transfer.
- If you have the chance to ask the colleague to pick up any work for you, just ask them to pick up the stuff that will help them build knowledge.
- If you are in a position to help/do work for the other person, make sure to do this in a way that helps them understand what you are doing as well.
- When you are together, talk about work. It is no real substitute for doing, but it can help build understanding and knowledge allowing them to pick things up quickly later. On top of this, it also helps the other person know what they would be getting into.
Especially if the person is eager/junior to you, these kinds of things should simply be seen as nice opportunities from their perspective. And assuming they are not doing things that are really outside their responsibilities, the manager will likely not be bothered by it as well.
If all goes well, and the person is growing to be more capable you can ultimately recommend them as a replacement to management based on what you have seen them do. However, keep in mind there is a fair chance the management will still overrule your suggestion, in which case you should show your professional side and train that person to the best of your abilities.
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How can I give my coworker the training in the time I have left?
You don't, this is your boss's job to assign not yours. When you resign from the company, your boss will decide who ( if anyone ) will be trained to fill your role. They will also decide if you will be the one doing the training or not.
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And employees make management harder when they take it upon themselves to try to do it instead.
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How can I give my coworker the training in the time I have left?
You don't, this is your boss's job to assign not yours. When you resign from the company, your boss will decide who ( if anyone ) will be trained to fill your role. They will also decide if you will be the one doing the training or not.
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And employees make management harder when they take it upon themselves to try to do it instead.
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How can I give my coworker the training in the time I have left?
You don't, this is your boss's job to assign not yours. When you resign from the company, your boss will decide who ( if anyone ) will be trained to fill your role. They will also decide if you will be the one doing the training or not.
How can I give my coworker the training in the time I have left?
You don't, this is your boss's job to assign not yours. When you resign from the company, your boss will decide who ( if anyone ) will be trained to fill your role. They will also decide if you will be the one doing the training or not.
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And employees make management harder when they take it upon themselves to try to do it instead.
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And employees make management harder when they take it upon themselves to try to do it instead.
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And employees make management harder when they take it upon themselves to try to do it instead.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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And employees make management harder when they take it upon themselves to try to do it instead.
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Present the training activity to both the trainee and your managers as improving the bus factor. It is prudent to have at least two people capable of doing any job.
Talk to your manager first, so that you are certain who they want you to train.
Training the wrong person could create an extremely difficult situation when you resign. Training person X would make them expect to be your successor, and leave them feeling resentful if your manager prefers person Y. Your X training effort would have been wasted, and you would have to do hurry-up training of Y during your notice period.
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They would select a different person for the training. I have a particular person in mind.
– RR 2
2 days ago
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@RR2 I have expanded my answer in response to your comment. Training anyone other than your manger's choice would be inappropriate. You can recommend, but ultimately selecting your successor is your manager's responsibility, and not something you should try to preempt.
– Patricia Shanahan
2 days ago
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Looping the relevant managers in on any training/skill sharing/etc schemes is also important as they may have more knowledge about your coworkers and the business's long-term plans and goals than you. - You also don't want to get caught in the awkward spot of having independently focused on skills development of a junior coworker who then jumps ship with their 'new and improved skills' before you get around to leaving...
– TheLuckless
2 days ago
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@RR2 Yes this, and if simply saying it will improve the bus factor doesn't convince them, try saying there's a rising trend that you're getting more work than you're confident in accomplishing, that one of these days you will have to start choosing what to do instead of what to do first. You would like a junior to delegate some low hanging fruit to so you can focus on the larger issues with less interruptions, and person X seems capable enough.
– Kevin
yesterday
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Perhaps in your next job you will have the privilege of making these decisions, @RR2!
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Present the training activity to both the trainee and your managers as improving the bus factor. It is prudent to have at least two people capable of doing any job.
Talk to your manager first, so that you are certain who they want you to train.
Training the wrong person could create an extremely difficult situation when you resign. Training person X would make them expect to be your successor, and leave them feeling resentful if your manager prefers person Y. Your X training effort would have been wasted, and you would have to do hurry-up training of Y during your notice period.
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They would select a different person for the training. I have a particular person in mind.
– RR 2
2 days ago
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@RR2 I have expanded my answer in response to your comment. Training anyone other than your manger's choice would be inappropriate. You can recommend, but ultimately selecting your successor is your manager's responsibility, and not something you should try to preempt.
– Patricia Shanahan
2 days ago
2
Looping the relevant managers in on any training/skill sharing/etc schemes is also important as they may have more knowledge about your coworkers and the business's long-term plans and goals than you. - You also don't want to get caught in the awkward spot of having independently focused on skills development of a junior coworker who then jumps ship with their 'new and improved skills' before you get around to leaving...
– TheLuckless
2 days ago
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@RR2 Yes this, and if simply saying it will improve the bus factor doesn't convince them, try saying there's a rising trend that you're getting more work than you're confident in accomplishing, that one of these days you will have to start choosing what to do instead of what to do first. You would like a junior to delegate some low hanging fruit to so you can focus on the larger issues with less interruptions, and person X seems capable enough.
– Kevin
yesterday
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Perhaps in your next job you will have the privilege of making these decisions, @RR2!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
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Present the training activity to both the trainee and your managers as improving the bus factor. It is prudent to have at least two people capable of doing any job.
Talk to your manager first, so that you are certain who they want you to train.
Training the wrong person could create an extremely difficult situation when you resign. Training person X would make them expect to be your successor, and leave them feeling resentful if your manager prefers person Y. Your X training effort would have been wasted, and you would have to do hurry-up training of Y during your notice period.
Present the training activity to both the trainee and your managers as improving the bus factor. It is prudent to have at least two people capable of doing any job.
Talk to your manager first, so that you are certain who they want you to train.
Training the wrong person could create an extremely difficult situation when you resign. Training person X would make them expect to be your successor, and leave them feeling resentful if your manager prefers person Y. Your X training effort would have been wasted, and you would have to do hurry-up training of Y during your notice period.
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They would select a different person for the training. I have a particular person in mind.
– RR 2
2 days ago
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@RR2 I have expanded my answer in response to your comment. Training anyone other than your manger's choice would be inappropriate. You can recommend, but ultimately selecting your successor is your manager's responsibility, and not something you should try to preempt.
– Patricia Shanahan
2 days ago
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Looping the relevant managers in on any training/skill sharing/etc schemes is also important as they may have more knowledge about your coworkers and the business's long-term plans and goals than you. - You also don't want to get caught in the awkward spot of having independently focused on skills development of a junior coworker who then jumps ship with their 'new and improved skills' before you get around to leaving...
– TheLuckless
2 days ago
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@RR2 Yes this, and if simply saying it will improve the bus factor doesn't convince them, try saying there's a rising trend that you're getting more work than you're confident in accomplishing, that one of these days you will have to start choosing what to do instead of what to do first. You would like a junior to delegate some low hanging fruit to so you can focus on the larger issues with less interruptions, and person X seems capable enough.
– Kevin
yesterday
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Perhaps in your next job you will have the privilege of making these decisions, @RR2!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
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They would select a different person for the training. I have a particular person in mind.
– RR 2
2 days ago
27
@RR2 I have expanded my answer in response to your comment. Training anyone other than your manger's choice would be inappropriate. You can recommend, but ultimately selecting your successor is your manager's responsibility, and not something you should try to preempt.
– Patricia Shanahan
2 days ago
2
Looping the relevant managers in on any training/skill sharing/etc schemes is also important as they may have more knowledge about your coworkers and the business's long-term plans and goals than you. - You also don't want to get caught in the awkward spot of having independently focused on skills development of a junior coworker who then jumps ship with their 'new and improved skills' before you get around to leaving...
– TheLuckless
2 days ago
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@RR2 Yes this, and if simply saying it will improve the bus factor doesn't convince them, try saying there's a rising trend that you're getting more work than you're confident in accomplishing, that one of these days you will have to start choosing what to do instead of what to do first. You would like a junior to delegate some low hanging fruit to so you can focus on the larger issues with less interruptions, and person X seems capable enough.
– Kevin
yesterday
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Perhaps in your next job you will have the privilege of making these decisions, @RR2!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
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They would select a different person for the training. I have a particular person in mind.
– RR 2
2 days ago
They would select a different person for the training. I have a particular person in mind.
– RR 2
2 days ago
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@RR2 I have expanded my answer in response to your comment. Training anyone other than your manger's choice would be inappropriate. You can recommend, but ultimately selecting your successor is your manager's responsibility, and not something you should try to preempt.
– Patricia Shanahan
2 days ago
@RR2 I have expanded my answer in response to your comment. Training anyone other than your manger's choice would be inappropriate. You can recommend, but ultimately selecting your successor is your manager's responsibility, and not something you should try to preempt.
– Patricia Shanahan
2 days ago
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Looping the relevant managers in on any training/skill sharing/etc schemes is also important as they may have more knowledge about your coworkers and the business's long-term plans and goals than you. - You also don't want to get caught in the awkward spot of having independently focused on skills development of a junior coworker who then jumps ship with their 'new and improved skills' before you get around to leaving...
– TheLuckless
2 days ago
Looping the relevant managers in on any training/skill sharing/etc schemes is also important as they may have more knowledge about your coworkers and the business's long-term plans and goals than you. - You also don't want to get caught in the awkward spot of having independently focused on skills development of a junior coworker who then jumps ship with their 'new and improved skills' before you get around to leaving...
– TheLuckless
2 days ago
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@RR2 Yes this, and if simply saying it will improve the bus factor doesn't convince them, try saying there's a rising trend that you're getting more work than you're confident in accomplishing, that one of these days you will have to start choosing what to do instead of what to do first. You would like a junior to delegate some low hanging fruit to so you can focus on the larger issues with less interruptions, and person X seems capable enough.
– Kevin
yesterday
@RR2 Yes this, and if simply saying it will improve the bus factor doesn't convince them, try saying there's a rising trend that you're getting more work than you're confident in accomplishing, that one of these days you will have to start choosing what to do instead of what to do first. You would like a junior to delegate some low hanging fruit to so you can focus on the larger issues with less interruptions, and person X seems capable enough.
– Kevin
yesterday
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Perhaps in your next job you will have the privilege of making these decisions, @RR2!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
Perhaps in your next job you will have the privilege of making these decisions, @RR2!
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"Getting hit by a bus"
You're training someone to do what you do so that if you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency your company has someone ready and trained to fill in your role until you come back (or don't).
Its just a level of insurance that your company's management should see as a "good thing" not something to fear that you're intending to leave. It just so happens to let you extricate yourself without leaving the company in the lurch when you do hand in your resignation.
Yeah, but training one person to replace one person who will be leaving isn't reducing the bus factor in any way. To reduce the bus factor, you need to share your knowledge to multiple people. In that way, if you disappear, your tasks can be taken care of by multiple people instead of dumping it all at once to a single person.
– Abigail
yesterday
yes but that would be another bus :)
– brett
yesterday
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@Abigail You training one replacement might not change the bus factor after you leave, but that's not your problem. To your superiors you're changing the bus factor from 1 to 2 (you leaving is the bus from their perspective).
– Draco18s
yesterday
"you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency" Or get promoted, or get another job within the company.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
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"Getting hit by a bus"
You're training someone to do what you do so that if you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency your company has someone ready and trained to fill in your role until you come back (or don't).
Its just a level of insurance that your company's management should see as a "good thing" not something to fear that you're intending to leave. It just so happens to let you extricate yourself without leaving the company in the lurch when you do hand in your resignation.
Yeah, but training one person to replace one person who will be leaving isn't reducing the bus factor in any way. To reduce the bus factor, you need to share your knowledge to multiple people. In that way, if you disappear, your tasks can be taken care of by multiple people instead of dumping it all at once to a single person.
– Abigail
yesterday
yes but that would be another bus :)
– brett
yesterday
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@Abigail You training one replacement might not change the bus factor after you leave, but that's not your problem. To your superiors you're changing the bus factor from 1 to 2 (you leaving is the bus from their perspective).
– Draco18s
yesterday
"you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency" Or get promoted, or get another job within the company.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
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"Getting hit by a bus"
You're training someone to do what you do so that if you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency your company has someone ready and trained to fill in your role until you come back (or don't).
Its just a level of insurance that your company's management should see as a "good thing" not something to fear that you're intending to leave. It just so happens to let you extricate yourself without leaving the company in the lurch when you do hand in your resignation.
"Getting hit by a bus"
You're training someone to do what you do so that if you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency your company has someone ready and trained to fill in your role until you come back (or don't).
Its just a level of insurance that your company's management should see as a "good thing" not something to fear that you're intending to leave. It just so happens to let you extricate yourself without leaving the company in the lurch when you do hand in your resignation.
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Yeah, but training one person to replace one person who will be leaving isn't reducing the bus factor in any way. To reduce the bus factor, you need to share your knowledge to multiple people. In that way, if you disappear, your tasks can be taken care of by multiple people instead of dumping it all at once to a single person.
– Abigail
yesterday
yes but that would be another bus :)
– brett
yesterday
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@Abigail You training one replacement might not change the bus factor after you leave, but that's not your problem. To your superiors you're changing the bus factor from 1 to 2 (you leaving is the bus from their perspective).
– Draco18s
yesterday
"you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency" Or get promoted, or get another job within the company.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
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Yeah, but training one person to replace one person who will be leaving isn't reducing the bus factor in any way. To reduce the bus factor, you need to share your knowledge to multiple people. In that way, if you disappear, your tasks can be taken care of by multiple people instead of dumping it all at once to a single person.
– Abigail
yesterday
yes but that would be another bus :)
– brett
yesterday
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@Abigail You training one replacement might not change the bus factor after you leave, but that's not your problem. To your superiors you're changing the bus factor from 1 to 2 (you leaving is the bus from their perspective).
– Draco18s
yesterday
"you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency" Or get promoted, or get another job within the company.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
Yeah, but training one person to replace one person who will be leaving isn't reducing the bus factor in any way. To reduce the bus factor, you need to share your knowledge to multiple people. In that way, if you disappear, your tasks can be taken care of by multiple people instead of dumping it all at once to a single person.
– Abigail
yesterday
Yeah, but training one person to replace one person who will be leaving isn't reducing the bus factor in any way. To reduce the bus factor, you need to share your knowledge to multiple people. In that way, if you disappear, your tasks can be taken care of by multiple people instead of dumping it all at once to a single person.
– Abigail
yesterday
yes but that would be another bus :)
– brett
yesterday
yes but that would be another bus :)
– brett
yesterday
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@Abigail You training one replacement might not change the bus factor after you leave, but that's not your problem. To your superiors you're changing the bus factor from 1 to 2 (you leaving is the bus from their perspective).
– Draco18s
yesterday
@Abigail You training one replacement might not change the bus factor after you leave, but that's not your problem. To your superiors you're changing the bus factor from 1 to 2 (you leaving is the bus from their perspective).
– Draco18s
yesterday
"you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency" Or get promoted, or get another job within the company.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
"you're out sick one day, get hit by a bus, or have some other emergency" Or get promoted, or get another job within the company.
– Acccumulation
yesterday
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Before all of that surreptitious training the easiest and best way to do this is to write a whole bunch of great documentation and comment your code. That way no matter who gets picked after you're gone will have a good starting position. Even the person that comes after them will benefit (especially if it is kept up to date.) You also won't need to worry so much about training them up yourself, they can learn after you leave.
But if you really want to try to secretly train this specific person you'll need to get them to start working on the system. You could try claiming illness or just being overworked and ask if they could cover just this one "little task" for you. Start getting them to work on little bits of the system. Let them ask you a bunch of questions about it.
This isn't really a morally okay thing to do. Your co-worker isn't going to appreciate it while you're doing it. You may get in trouble for not doing your own work. The only way (except for good doco) that they will learn about the system is to work on it. So you'll need to find some way to get them to do that. (Alternatively just tell your co-worker what is going on and let them study the system and ask you questions. As long as they won't tell your boss.)
Not sure how to vote as I like the documentation part, but think that feigning illnes etc. is not an appropriate recommendation. Have tried to provide an alternative to the second part of this answer here: workplace.stackexchange.com/a/142373/19191
– Dennis Jaheruddin
19 hours ago
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Who anything about code / software development?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
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Before all of that surreptitious training the easiest and best way to do this is to write a whole bunch of great documentation and comment your code. That way no matter who gets picked after you're gone will have a good starting position. Even the person that comes after them will benefit (especially if it is kept up to date.) You also won't need to worry so much about training them up yourself, they can learn after you leave.
But if you really want to try to secretly train this specific person you'll need to get them to start working on the system. You could try claiming illness or just being overworked and ask if they could cover just this one "little task" for you. Start getting them to work on little bits of the system. Let them ask you a bunch of questions about it.
This isn't really a morally okay thing to do. Your co-worker isn't going to appreciate it while you're doing it. You may get in trouble for not doing your own work. The only way (except for good doco) that they will learn about the system is to work on it. So you'll need to find some way to get them to do that. (Alternatively just tell your co-worker what is going on and let them study the system and ask you questions. As long as they won't tell your boss.)
Not sure how to vote as I like the documentation part, but think that feigning illnes etc. is not an appropriate recommendation. Have tried to provide an alternative to the second part of this answer here: workplace.stackexchange.com/a/142373/19191
– Dennis Jaheruddin
19 hours ago
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Who anything about code / software development?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
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Before all of that surreptitious training the easiest and best way to do this is to write a whole bunch of great documentation and comment your code. That way no matter who gets picked after you're gone will have a good starting position. Even the person that comes after them will benefit (especially if it is kept up to date.) You also won't need to worry so much about training them up yourself, they can learn after you leave.
But if you really want to try to secretly train this specific person you'll need to get them to start working on the system. You could try claiming illness or just being overworked and ask if they could cover just this one "little task" for you. Start getting them to work on little bits of the system. Let them ask you a bunch of questions about it.
This isn't really a morally okay thing to do. Your co-worker isn't going to appreciate it while you're doing it. You may get in trouble for not doing your own work. The only way (except for good doco) that they will learn about the system is to work on it. So you'll need to find some way to get them to do that. (Alternatively just tell your co-worker what is going on and let them study the system and ask you questions. As long as they won't tell your boss.)
Before all of that surreptitious training the easiest and best way to do this is to write a whole bunch of great documentation and comment your code. That way no matter who gets picked after you're gone will have a good starting position. Even the person that comes after them will benefit (especially if it is kept up to date.) You also won't need to worry so much about training them up yourself, they can learn after you leave.
But if you really want to try to secretly train this specific person you'll need to get them to start working on the system. You could try claiming illness or just being overworked and ask if they could cover just this one "little task" for you. Start getting them to work on little bits of the system. Let them ask you a bunch of questions about it.
This isn't really a morally okay thing to do. Your co-worker isn't going to appreciate it while you're doing it. You may get in trouble for not doing your own work. The only way (except for good doco) that they will learn about the system is to work on it. So you'll need to find some way to get them to do that. (Alternatively just tell your co-worker what is going on and let them study the system and ask you questions. As long as they won't tell your boss.)
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Not sure how to vote as I like the documentation part, but think that feigning illnes etc. is not an appropriate recommendation. Have tried to provide an alternative to the second part of this answer here: workplace.stackexchange.com/a/142373/19191
– Dennis Jaheruddin
19 hours ago
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Who anything about code / software development?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
add a comment |
Not sure how to vote as I like the documentation part, but think that feigning illnes etc. is not an appropriate recommendation. Have tried to provide an alternative to the second part of this answer here: workplace.stackexchange.com/a/142373/19191
– Dennis Jaheruddin
19 hours ago
2
Who anything about code / software development?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
Not sure how to vote as I like the documentation part, but think that feigning illnes etc. is not an appropriate recommendation. Have tried to provide an alternative to the second part of this answer here: workplace.stackexchange.com/a/142373/19191
– Dennis Jaheruddin
19 hours ago
Not sure how to vote as I like the documentation part, but think that feigning illnes etc. is not an appropriate recommendation. Have tried to provide an alternative to the second part of this answer here: workplace.stackexchange.com/a/142373/19191
– Dennis Jaheruddin
19 hours ago
2
2
Who anything about code / software development?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
Who anything about code / software development?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
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My bosses cannot know that I am considering leaving, because they will
make my worklife miserable.
I want my coworker to be well established to fill my role and be in
line for promotion and a good opportunity after my departure. We are
not close, but I know that they are in such a situation as to benefit
greatly personally and professionally. So I also do not want to let
them in on my plan. Especially as it may cause bad repercussions for
them if they are found to knowingly go along with my plan.
So your plan is to sneak around and be deceptive, both to your bosses and your colleague?
That doesn't sound like a good plan.
I can understand your not wanting to tip your hand to your bosses, but involving your colleague in your plan without their knowledge is deceptive, dishonest, and could potentially put their job in jeopardy.
I'd caution you to rethink your approach to this issue.
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"Don't worry boss man, I trained Bob! He knows all about it!"
– Dan
2 days ago
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I do not want to deceive anyone. I do not plan on lying. I do not think this information is something they have a right to. Why is that deception?
– RR 2
2 days ago
4
I'll give you several types of dishonest behavior that I think apply here. Look them up:1.
Lying by vagueness or ambiguity.2.
Lying by omission.3.
Withholding.4.
Tacit dishonesty.
– joeqwerty
2 days ago
4
In order to be any of those things (lying by...), it needs to be deceptive. I have not seen any deceit on the part of @RR2. The only thing I've seen is a desire to help an underdog have a chance. You can call it whatever you want but the normal practice that OP is trying to disrupt, promoting the golden boy at the expense of everyone else, is the only unfair thing here.
– Aaron
2 days ago
2
This is a very strong reaction. Would you have the OP tell his employer that he is looking for another job? Almost everyone on this site would advise against that until OP is ready to give notice, but withholding that is deceptive, no?
– bruglesco
yesterday
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My bosses cannot know that I am considering leaving, because they will
make my worklife miserable.
I want my coworker to be well established to fill my role and be in
line for promotion and a good opportunity after my departure. We are
not close, but I know that they are in such a situation as to benefit
greatly personally and professionally. So I also do not want to let
them in on my plan. Especially as it may cause bad repercussions for
them if they are found to knowingly go along with my plan.
So your plan is to sneak around and be deceptive, both to your bosses and your colleague?
That doesn't sound like a good plan.
I can understand your not wanting to tip your hand to your bosses, but involving your colleague in your plan without their knowledge is deceptive, dishonest, and could potentially put their job in jeopardy.
I'd caution you to rethink your approach to this issue.
4
"Don't worry boss man, I trained Bob! He knows all about it!"
– Dan
2 days ago
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I do not want to deceive anyone. I do not plan on lying. I do not think this information is something they have a right to. Why is that deception?
– RR 2
2 days ago
4
I'll give you several types of dishonest behavior that I think apply here. Look them up:1.
Lying by vagueness or ambiguity.2.
Lying by omission.3.
Withholding.4.
Tacit dishonesty.
– joeqwerty
2 days ago
4
In order to be any of those things (lying by...), it needs to be deceptive. I have not seen any deceit on the part of @RR2. The only thing I've seen is a desire to help an underdog have a chance. You can call it whatever you want but the normal practice that OP is trying to disrupt, promoting the golden boy at the expense of everyone else, is the only unfair thing here.
– Aaron
2 days ago
2
This is a very strong reaction. Would you have the OP tell his employer that he is looking for another job? Almost everyone on this site would advise against that until OP is ready to give notice, but withholding that is deceptive, no?
– bruglesco
yesterday
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My bosses cannot know that I am considering leaving, because they will
make my worklife miserable.
I want my coworker to be well established to fill my role and be in
line for promotion and a good opportunity after my departure. We are
not close, but I know that they are in such a situation as to benefit
greatly personally and professionally. So I also do not want to let
them in on my plan. Especially as it may cause bad repercussions for
them if they are found to knowingly go along with my plan.
So your plan is to sneak around and be deceptive, both to your bosses and your colleague?
That doesn't sound like a good plan.
I can understand your not wanting to tip your hand to your bosses, but involving your colleague in your plan without their knowledge is deceptive, dishonest, and could potentially put their job in jeopardy.
I'd caution you to rethink your approach to this issue.
My bosses cannot know that I am considering leaving, because they will
make my worklife miserable.
I want my coworker to be well established to fill my role and be in
line for promotion and a good opportunity after my departure. We are
not close, but I know that they are in such a situation as to benefit
greatly personally and professionally. So I also do not want to let
them in on my plan. Especially as it may cause bad repercussions for
them if they are found to knowingly go along with my plan.
So your plan is to sneak around and be deceptive, both to your bosses and your colleague?
That doesn't sound like a good plan.
I can understand your not wanting to tip your hand to your bosses, but involving your colleague in your plan without their knowledge is deceptive, dishonest, and could potentially put their job in jeopardy.
I'd caution you to rethink your approach to this issue.
answered 2 days ago
joeqwertyjoeqwerty
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"Don't worry boss man, I trained Bob! He knows all about it!"
– Dan
2 days ago
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I do not want to deceive anyone. I do not plan on lying. I do not think this information is something they have a right to. Why is that deception?
– RR 2
2 days ago
4
I'll give you several types of dishonest behavior that I think apply here. Look them up:1.
Lying by vagueness or ambiguity.2.
Lying by omission.3.
Withholding.4.
Tacit dishonesty.
– joeqwerty
2 days ago
4
In order to be any of those things (lying by...), it needs to be deceptive. I have not seen any deceit on the part of @RR2. The only thing I've seen is a desire to help an underdog have a chance. You can call it whatever you want but the normal practice that OP is trying to disrupt, promoting the golden boy at the expense of everyone else, is the only unfair thing here.
– Aaron
2 days ago
2
This is a very strong reaction. Would you have the OP tell his employer that he is looking for another job? Almost everyone on this site would advise against that until OP is ready to give notice, but withholding that is deceptive, no?
– bruglesco
yesterday
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4
"Don't worry boss man, I trained Bob! He knows all about it!"
– Dan
2 days ago
6
I do not want to deceive anyone. I do not plan on lying. I do not think this information is something they have a right to. Why is that deception?
– RR 2
2 days ago
4
I'll give you several types of dishonest behavior that I think apply here. Look them up:1.
Lying by vagueness or ambiguity.2.
Lying by omission.3.
Withholding.4.
Tacit dishonesty.
– joeqwerty
2 days ago
4
In order to be any of those things (lying by...), it needs to be deceptive. I have not seen any deceit on the part of @RR2. The only thing I've seen is a desire to help an underdog have a chance. You can call it whatever you want but the normal practice that OP is trying to disrupt, promoting the golden boy at the expense of everyone else, is the only unfair thing here.
– Aaron
2 days ago
2
This is a very strong reaction. Would you have the OP tell his employer that he is looking for another job? Almost everyone on this site would advise against that until OP is ready to give notice, but withholding that is deceptive, no?
– bruglesco
yesterday
4
4
"Don't worry boss man, I trained Bob! He knows all about it!"
– Dan
2 days ago
"Don't worry boss man, I trained Bob! He knows all about it!"
– Dan
2 days ago
6
6
I do not want to deceive anyone. I do not plan on lying. I do not think this information is something they have a right to. Why is that deception?
– RR 2
2 days ago
I do not want to deceive anyone. I do not plan on lying. I do not think this information is something they have a right to. Why is that deception?
– RR 2
2 days ago
4
4
I'll give you several types of dishonest behavior that I think apply here. Look them up:
1.
Lying by vagueness or ambiguity. 2.
Lying by omission. 3.
Withholding. 4.
Tacit dishonesty.– joeqwerty
2 days ago
I'll give you several types of dishonest behavior that I think apply here. Look them up:
1.
Lying by vagueness or ambiguity. 2.
Lying by omission. 3.
Withholding. 4.
Tacit dishonesty.– joeqwerty
2 days ago
4
4
In order to be any of those things (lying by...), it needs to be deceptive. I have not seen any deceit on the part of @RR2. The only thing I've seen is a desire to help an underdog have a chance. You can call it whatever you want but the normal practice that OP is trying to disrupt, promoting the golden boy at the expense of everyone else, is the only unfair thing here.
– Aaron
2 days ago
In order to be any of those things (lying by...), it needs to be deceptive. I have not seen any deceit on the part of @RR2. The only thing I've seen is a desire to help an underdog have a chance. You can call it whatever you want but the normal practice that OP is trying to disrupt, promoting the golden boy at the expense of everyone else, is the only unfair thing here.
– Aaron
2 days ago
2
2
This is a very strong reaction. Would you have the OP tell his employer that he is looking for another job? Almost everyone on this site would advise against that until OP is ready to give notice, but withholding that is deceptive, no?
– bruglesco
yesterday
This is a very strong reaction. Would you have the OP tell his employer that he is looking for another job? Almost everyone on this site would advise against that until OP is ready to give notice, but withholding that is deceptive, no?
– bruglesco
yesterday
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Don't make plans for other people, assuming you know what's best for them.
This includes your employer and the coworker you wish to train to be your replacement.
You've got good intentions here and that's commendable. But the fact is, your version of how people will behave and what they'll want to do once they learn you're leaving is likely wildly wrong.
Frankly, people usually overestimate the impact of their leaving on the company and their colleagues. This is expected - you're obviously the center of everything that you do at work, and so you see everything as it relates to that - so naturally everything you do looks especially impactful and important. Other people have a different viewpoint.
In this instance, it's very possible that the colleague you want to train to replace you simply isn't interested at all in doing your job, for example. Or even if they are, that management would have no intention of promoting them into the position anyway. What you see as an obvious opportunity, worth twisting yourself in knots to give to this person, may turn out to just be nothing.
If you want to leave, then secure another position first, then do the following:
- Give your contractually agreed notice to your employer. Mention nothing about your colleague at first, but ask them if they're ok with you telling people straight away.
If yes, then go to your colleague and ask them privately if they'd be interested in your job.
If yes, suggest to your colleague a handover training plan to best line them up for this. Make sure they know this is you suggesting this, not the employer, and you'll suggest it to the employer if they agree.
Only if they are OK with it, then go back to your employer, tell them your colleague is interested, sell them as a good candidate, and suggest the handover plan.
If your employer agrees it's a good idea, implement it.
Assume nothing. Do everything in the open. Make suggestions, sure, but let everyone involved take their own decisions about what will happen at every stage, before you proceed.
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Don't make plans for other people, assuming you know what's best for them.
This includes your employer and the coworker you wish to train to be your replacement.
You've got good intentions here and that's commendable. But the fact is, your version of how people will behave and what they'll want to do once they learn you're leaving is likely wildly wrong.
Frankly, people usually overestimate the impact of their leaving on the company and their colleagues. This is expected - you're obviously the center of everything that you do at work, and so you see everything as it relates to that - so naturally everything you do looks especially impactful and important. Other people have a different viewpoint.
In this instance, it's very possible that the colleague you want to train to replace you simply isn't interested at all in doing your job, for example. Or even if they are, that management would have no intention of promoting them into the position anyway. What you see as an obvious opportunity, worth twisting yourself in knots to give to this person, may turn out to just be nothing.
If you want to leave, then secure another position first, then do the following:
- Give your contractually agreed notice to your employer. Mention nothing about your colleague at first, but ask them if they're ok with you telling people straight away.
If yes, then go to your colleague and ask them privately if they'd be interested in your job.
If yes, suggest to your colleague a handover training plan to best line them up for this. Make sure they know this is you suggesting this, not the employer, and you'll suggest it to the employer if they agree.
Only if they are OK with it, then go back to your employer, tell them your colleague is interested, sell them as a good candidate, and suggest the handover plan.
If your employer agrees it's a good idea, implement it.
Assume nothing. Do everything in the open. Make suggestions, sure, but let everyone involved take their own decisions about what will happen at every stage, before you proceed.
add a comment |
Don't make plans for other people, assuming you know what's best for them.
This includes your employer and the coworker you wish to train to be your replacement.
You've got good intentions here and that's commendable. But the fact is, your version of how people will behave and what they'll want to do once they learn you're leaving is likely wildly wrong.
Frankly, people usually overestimate the impact of their leaving on the company and their colleagues. This is expected - you're obviously the center of everything that you do at work, and so you see everything as it relates to that - so naturally everything you do looks especially impactful and important. Other people have a different viewpoint.
In this instance, it's very possible that the colleague you want to train to replace you simply isn't interested at all in doing your job, for example. Or even if they are, that management would have no intention of promoting them into the position anyway. What you see as an obvious opportunity, worth twisting yourself in knots to give to this person, may turn out to just be nothing.
If you want to leave, then secure another position first, then do the following:
- Give your contractually agreed notice to your employer. Mention nothing about your colleague at first, but ask them if they're ok with you telling people straight away.
If yes, then go to your colleague and ask them privately if they'd be interested in your job.
If yes, suggest to your colleague a handover training plan to best line them up for this. Make sure they know this is you suggesting this, not the employer, and you'll suggest it to the employer if they agree.
Only if they are OK with it, then go back to your employer, tell them your colleague is interested, sell them as a good candidate, and suggest the handover plan.
If your employer agrees it's a good idea, implement it.
Assume nothing. Do everything in the open. Make suggestions, sure, but let everyone involved take their own decisions about what will happen at every stage, before you proceed.
Don't make plans for other people, assuming you know what's best for them.
This includes your employer and the coworker you wish to train to be your replacement.
You've got good intentions here and that's commendable. But the fact is, your version of how people will behave and what they'll want to do once they learn you're leaving is likely wildly wrong.
Frankly, people usually overestimate the impact of their leaving on the company and their colleagues. This is expected - you're obviously the center of everything that you do at work, and so you see everything as it relates to that - so naturally everything you do looks especially impactful and important. Other people have a different viewpoint.
In this instance, it's very possible that the colleague you want to train to replace you simply isn't interested at all in doing your job, for example. Or even if they are, that management would have no intention of promoting them into the position anyway. What you see as an obvious opportunity, worth twisting yourself in knots to give to this person, may turn out to just be nothing.
If you want to leave, then secure another position first, then do the following:
- Give your contractually agreed notice to your employer. Mention nothing about your colleague at first, but ask them if they're ok with you telling people straight away.
If yes, then go to your colleague and ask them privately if they'd be interested in your job.
If yes, suggest to your colleague a handover training plan to best line them up for this. Make sure they know this is you suggesting this, not the employer, and you'll suggest it to the employer if they agree.
Only if they are OK with it, then go back to your employer, tell them your colleague is interested, sell them as a good candidate, and suggest the handover plan.
If your employer agrees it's a good idea, implement it.
Assume nothing. Do everything in the open. Make suggestions, sure, but let everyone involved take their own decisions about what will happen at every stage, before you proceed.
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answered 12 hours ago
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Tell your boss you are quitting. They really can't do much to make your life hell. Just work your fixed hours at a regular pace and go home. Make sure to use all your holiday before you leave. As you are the one leaving, you have a lot of power. Your boss will want you to train a replacement. If they treat you badly, you will just leave.
EDIT
Do this once you find a new job, not before.
3
They can do illegal violent stuff to you and/or your property without any realistic way for you to respond if the premises are solely monitored by the company and the person in question is a sole proprietor-- getting evidence of any foul play is next-to impossible and if the foul play creates only civil rather than criminal liability acting on any evidence even should you eventually win your case and somehow get more back from the lawsuit than the process cost will nonetheless seriously hinder you from getting a job in the future.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
3
They can also verbally abuse you, cut your pay, reassign you to dangerous or unpleasant work, or otherwise engage in constructive firing practices. Maybe they can't make your life hell legally (though that very much depends on jurisdiction) but, at least in the US, making your life hell once they know you are leaving is almost typifying of bad employers.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
1
They can't verbally abuse you. You just walk out. They can't doing anything violent without it becoming a criminal matter. If you are that afraid of your workplace, just don't go back.
– David
yesterday
@David: Who has the burden of proof?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
What burden of proof? If you're in a toxic environment, get out as soon as you can.
– David
12 hours ago
add a comment |
Tell your boss you are quitting. They really can't do much to make your life hell. Just work your fixed hours at a regular pace and go home. Make sure to use all your holiday before you leave. As you are the one leaving, you have a lot of power. Your boss will want you to train a replacement. If they treat you badly, you will just leave.
EDIT
Do this once you find a new job, not before.
3
They can do illegal violent stuff to you and/or your property without any realistic way for you to respond if the premises are solely monitored by the company and the person in question is a sole proprietor-- getting evidence of any foul play is next-to impossible and if the foul play creates only civil rather than criminal liability acting on any evidence even should you eventually win your case and somehow get more back from the lawsuit than the process cost will nonetheless seriously hinder you from getting a job in the future.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
3
They can also verbally abuse you, cut your pay, reassign you to dangerous or unpleasant work, or otherwise engage in constructive firing practices. Maybe they can't make your life hell legally (though that very much depends on jurisdiction) but, at least in the US, making your life hell once they know you are leaving is almost typifying of bad employers.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
1
They can't verbally abuse you. You just walk out. They can't doing anything violent without it becoming a criminal matter. If you are that afraid of your workplace, just don't go back.
– David
yesterday
@David: Who has the burden of proof?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
What burden of proof? If you're in a toxic environment, get out as soon as you can.
– David
12 hours ago
add a comment |
Tell your boss you are quitting. They really can't do much to make your life hell. Just work your fixed hours at a regular pace and go home. Make sure to use all your holiday before you leave. As you are the one leaving, you have a lot of power. Your boss will want you to train a replacement. If they treat you badly, you will just leave.
EDIT
Do this once you find a new job, not before.
Tell your boss you are quitting. They really can't do much to make your life hell. Just work your fixed hours at a regular pace and go home. Make sure to use all your holiday before you leave. As you are the one leaving, you have a lot of power. Your boss will want you to train a replacement. If they treat you badly, you will just leave.
EDIT
Do this once you find a new job, not before.
answered 2 days ago
DavidDavid
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3
They can do illegal violent stuff to you and/or your property without any realistic way for you to respond if the premises are solely monitored by the company and the person in question is a sole proprietor-- getting evidence of any foul play is next-to impossible and if the foul play creates only civil rather than criminal liability acting on any evidence even should you eventually win your case and somehow get more back from the lawsuit than the process cost will nonetheless seriously hinder you from getting a job in the future.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
3
They can also verbally abuse you, cut your pay, reassign you to dangerous or unpleasant work, or otherwise engage in constructive firing practices. Maybe they can't make your life hell legally (though that very much depends on jurisdiction) but, at least in the US, making your life hell once they know you are leaving is almost typifying of bad employers.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
1
They can't verbally abuse you. You just walk out. They can't doing anything violent without it becoming a criminal matter. If you are that afraid of your workplace, just don't go back.
– David
yesterday
@David: Who has the burden of proof?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
What burden of proof? If you're in a toxic environment, get out as soon as you can.
– David
12 hours ago
add a comment |
3
They can do illegal violent stuff to you and/or your property without any realistic way for you to respond if the premises are solely monitored by the company and the person in question is a sole proprietor-- getting evidence of any foul play is next-to impossible and if the foul play creates only civil rather than criminal liability acting on any evidence even should you eventually win your case and somehow get more back from the lawsuit than the process cost will nonetheless seriously hinder you from getting a job in the future.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
3
They can also verbally abuse you, cut your pay, reassign you to dangerous or unpleasant work, or otherwise engage in constructive firing practices. Maybe they can't make your life hell legally (though that very much depends on jurisdiction) but, at least in the US, making your life hell once they know you are leaving is almost typifying of bad employers.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
1
They can't verbally abuse you. You just walk out. They can't doing anything violent without it becoming a criminal matter. If you are that afraid of your workplace, just don't go back.
– David
yesterday
@David: Who has the burden of proof?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
What burden of proof? If you're in a toxic environment, get out as soon as you can.
– David
12 hours ago
3
3
They can do illegal violent stuff to you and/or your property without any realistic way for you to respond if the premises are solely monitored by the company and the person in question is a sole proprietor-- getting evidence of any foul play is next-to impossible and if the foul play creates only civil rather than criminal liability acting on any evidence even should you eventually win your case and somehow get more back from the lawsuit than the process cost will nonetheless seriously hinder you from getting a job in the future.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
They can do illegal violent stuff to you and/or your property without any realistic way for you to respond if the premises are solely monitored by the company and the person in question is a sole proprietor-- getting evidence of any foul play is next-to impossible and if the foul play creates only civil rather than criminal liability acting on any evidence even should you eventually win your case and somehow get more back from the lawsuit than the process cost will nonetheless seriously hinder you from getting a job in the future.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
3
3
They can also verbally abuse you, cut your pay, reassign you to dangerous or unpleasant work, or otherwise engage in constructive firing practices. Maybe they can't make your life hell legally (though that very much depends on jurisdiction) but, at least in the US, making your life hell once they know you are leaving is almost typifying of bad employers.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
They can also verbally abuse you, cut your pay, reassign you to dangerous or unpleasant work, or otherwise engage in constructive firing practices. Maybe they can't make your life hell legally (though that very much depends on jurisdiction) but, at least in the US, making your life hell once they know you are leaving is almost typifying of bad employers.
– the dark wanderer
yesterday
1
1
They can't verbally abuse you. You just walk out. They can't doing anything violent without it becoming a criminal matter. If you are that afraid of your workplace, just don't go back.
– David
yesterday
They can't verbally abuse you. You just walk out. They can't doing anything violent without it becoming a criminal matter. If you are that afraid of your workplace, just don't go back.
– David
yesterday
@David: Who has the burden of proof?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
@David: Who has the burden of proof?
– Peter Mortensen
13 hours ago
What burden of proof? If you're in a toxic environment, get out as soon as you can.
– David
12 hours ago
What burden of proof? If you're in a toxic environment, get out as soon as you can.
– David
12 hours ago
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You don't because the only ethical way to do what you suggest is if you could train this person on your own time, on your own equipment, outside of business offices. Or if your employer has a loop-hole allowing you to spend hours training people however you like which it doesn't sound like.
But perhaps I'm becoming the thing I hate, but being partial myself?
Absolutely. The fact you have your job proves that your employer is not as bad as you paint them. Unless you're saying that you don't really deserve the title/role you have. So we know that they aren't always bad & that they (according to you) aren't always good. That describes like 99% of the employers people actually want to work for, you know.
At any rate it's your employer's prerogative to manage employee positions. Not yours. Sometimes employers ask employees for advice/opinions on promotions but that's not the case here. Maybe if you told your employer that you're leaving they would give you the opportunity to help them train/select someone. Obviously you'd also face the risk of being shown the door before you want.
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You don't because the only ethical way to do what you suggest is if you could train this person on your own time, on your own equipment, outside of business offices. Or if your employer has a loop-hole allowing you to spend hours training people however you like which it doesn't sound like.
But perhaps I'm becoming the thing I hate, but being partial myself?
Absolutely. The fact you have your job proves that your employer is not as bad as you paint them. Unless you're saying that you don't really deserve the title/role you have. So we know that they aren't always bad & that they (according to you) aren't always good. That describes like 99% of the employers people actually want to work for, you know.
At any rate it's your employer's prerogative to manage employee positions. Not yours. Sometimes employers ask employees for advice/opinions on promotions but that's not the case here. Maybe if you told your employer that you're leaving they would give you the opportunity to help them train/select someone. Obviously you'd also face the risk of being shown the door before you want.
add a comment |
You don't because the only ethical way to do what you suggest is if you could train this person on your own time, on your own equipment, outside of business offices. Or if your employer has a loop-hole allowing you to spend hours training people however you like which it doesn't sound like.
But perhaps I'm becoming the thing I hate, but being partial myself?
Absolutely. The fact you have your job proves that your employer is not as bad as you paint them. Unless you're saying that you don't really deserve the title/role you have. So we know that they aren't always bad & that they (according to you) aren't always good. That describes like 99% of the employers people actually want to work for, you know.
At any rate it's your employer's prerogative to manage employee positions. Not yours. Sometimes employers ask employees for advice/opinions on promotions but that's not the case here. Maybe if you told your employer that you're leaving they would give you the opportunity to help them train/select someone. Obviously you'd also face the risk of being shown the door before you want.
You don't because the only ethical way to do what you suggest is if you could train this person on your own time, on your own equipment, outside of business offices. Or if your employer has a loop-hole allowing you to spend hours training people however you like which it doesn't sound like.
But perhaps I'm becoming the thing I hate, but being partial myself?
Absolutely. The fact you have your job proves that your employer is not as bad as you paint them. Unless you're saying that you don't really deserve the title/role you have. So we know that they aren't always bad & that they (according to you) aren't always good. That describes like 99% of the employers people actually want to work for, you know.
At any rate it's your employer's prerogative to manage employee positions. Not yours. Sometimes employers ask employees for advice/opinions on promotions but that's not the case here. Maybe if you told your employer that you're leaving they would give you the opportunity to help them train/select someone. Obviously you'd also face the risk of being shown the door before you want.
answered 2 days ago
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