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Is this true for all polynomials
Is this notation good for the chain rule derivative?Finding patterns in differential equation coefficientsOn $big(tfrac1+sqrt52big)^12=small 161+72sqrt5$ and $int_-1^1fracdxleft(1-x^2right)^small3/4 sqrt[4]161+72sqrt5,x$How to show an infinite number of algebraic numbers $alpha$ and $beta$ for $_2F_1left(frac14,frac14;frac34;-alpharight)=beta,$?What is $_3F_2left(1,frac32,2; frac43,frac53; frac427right)$ as an integral?Evaluating closed form of $I_n=int_0^pi/2 underbracecos(cos(dots(cos_n text times(x))dots))~dx$ for all $nin mathbbN$.Is there a nice general formula for $int fracdxx^n-1$ and/or $int fracdxPhi_n(x)$?
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I took $3$ random polynomials with non zero roots one having even degree and two having odd degrees
$f(x)=colorred4x^2-(4sqrt3+12)x+12sqrt3$ having roots $colorblue3,sqrt3$ and leading coefficient $colorred4$ and calculated values of $xf'(x)$$(f'(x)$ is the derivative of $f(x))$ at both roots which are $3f'(3)$ and $sqrt3f'(sqrt3)$ and then sum of their reciprocals $frac13f'(3)+frac1sqrt3f'(sqrt3)=frac-112sqrt3=frac-1colorred4left(frac1colorblue3cdotsqrt3right)$ then repeated same thing for$g(x)=colorred1x^3-frac203x^2-12x+frac323$ having roots $colorblue8,-2,frac23$
$frac18g'(8)+frac1-2g'(-2)+frac1frac23g'(frac2 3)=frac1colorred1left(frac1colorblue8cdot-2cdotfrac2 3right)$
$h(x)=colorred1x^5+41x^4+137x^3-1601x^2-1818x+3240 $ having roots $colorblue1,-2,5,-9,-36$
$frac11h'(1)+frac1-2h'(-2)+frac15h'(5)+frac1-9h'(-9)+frac1-36h'(-36)=frac1colorred1left(frac1colorblue1cdot-2 cdot5cdot-9cdot-36right)$
Is this true for all polynomials? Is there any known result?
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I took $3$ random polynomials with non zero roots one having even degree and two having odd degrees
$f(x)=colorred4x^2-(4sqrt3+12)x+12sqrt3$ having roots $colorblue3,sqrt3$ and leading coefficient $colorred4$ and calculated values of $xf'(x)$$(f'(x)$ is the derivative of $f(x))$ at both roots which are $3f'(3)$ and $sqrt3f'(sqrt3)$ and then sum of their reciprocals $frac13f'(3)+frac1sqrt3f'(sqrt3)=frac-112sqrt3=frac-1colorred4left(frac1colorblue3cdotsqrt3right)$ then repeated same thing for$g(x)=colorred1x^3-frac203x^2-12x+frac323$ having roots $colorblue8,-2,frac23$
$frac18g'(8)+frac1-2g'(-2)+frac1frac23g'(frac2 3)=frac1colorred1left(frac1colorblue8cdot-2cdotfrac2 3right)$
$h(x)=colorred1x^5+41x^4+137x^3-1601x^2-1818x+3240 $ having roots $colorblue1,-2,5,-9,-36$
$frac11h'(1)+frac1-2h'(-2)+frac15h'(5)+frac1-9h'(-9)+frac1-36h'(-36)=frac1colorred1left(frac1colorblue1cdot-2 cdot5cdot-9cdot-36right)$
Is this true for all polynomials? Is there any known result?
calculus
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If the polynomial has a double root, then it is a root of its derivative, and the expression is not well-defined.
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– Daniel
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You want to show that $sumlimits_i=1^mfraca_0sumlimits_j=1^nja_jx_i^j=(-1)^deg p$ where $p(x_i)=sumlimits_k=0^na_kx_i^k=0$ with $mle n$.
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I took $3$ random polynomials with non zero roots one having even degree and two having odd degrees
$f(x)=colorred4x^2-(4sqrt3+12)x+12sqrt3$ having roots $colorblue3,sqrt3$ and leading coefficient $colorred4$ and calculated values of $xf'(x)$$(f'(x)$ is the derivative of $f(x))$ at both roots which are $3f'(3)$ and $sqrt3f'(sqrt3)$ and then sum of their reciprocals $frac13f'(3)+frac1sqrt3f'(sqrt3)=frac-112sqrt3=frac-1colorred4left(frac1colorblue3cdotsqrt3right)$ then repeated same thing for$g(x)=colorred1x^3-frac203x^2-12x+frac323$ having roots $colorblue8,-2,frac23$
$frac18g'(8)+frac1-2g'(-2)+frac1frac23g'(frac2 3)=frac1colorred1left(frac1colorblue8cdot-2cdotfrac2 3right)$
$h(x)=colorred1x^5+41x^4+137x^3-1601x^2-1818x+3240 $ having roots $colorblue1,-2,5,-9,-36$
$frac11h'(1)+frac1-2h'(-2)+frac15h'(5)+frac1-9h'(-9)+frac1-36h'(-36)=frac1colorred1left(frac1colorblue1cdot-2 cdot5cdot-9cdot-36right)$
Is this true for all polynomials? Is there any known result?
calculus
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I took $3$ random polynomials with non zero roots one having even degree and two having odd degrees
$f(x)=colorred4x^2-(4sqrt3+12)x+12sqrt3$ having roots $colorblue3,sqrt3$ and leading coefficient $colorred4$ and calculated values of $xf'(x)$$(f'(x)$ is the derivative of $f(x))$ at both roots which are $3f'(3)$ and $sqrt3f'(sqrt3)$ and then sum of their reciprocals $frac13f'(3)+frac1sqrt3f'(sqrt3)=frac-112sqrt3=frac-1colorred4left(frac1colorblue3cdotsqrt3right)$ then repeated same thing for$g(x)=colorred1x^3-frac203x^2-12x+frac323$ having roots $colorblue8,-2,frac23$
$frac18g'(8)+frac1-2g'(-2)+frac1frac23g'(frac2 3)=frac1colorred1left(frac1colorblue8cdot-2cdotfrac2 3right)$
$h(x)=colorred1x^5+41x^4+137x^3-1601x^2-1818x+3240 $ having roots $colorblue1,-2,5,-9,-36$
$frac11h'(1)+frac1-2h'(-2)+frac15h'(5)+frac1-9h'(-9)+frac1-36h'(-36)=frac1colorred1left(frac1colorblue1cdot-2 cdot5cdot-9cdot-36right)$
Is this true for all polynomials? Is there any known result?
calculus
calculus
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If the polynomial has a double root, then it is a root of its derivative, and the expression is not well-defined.
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You want to show that $sumlimits_i=1^mfraca_0sumlimits_j=1^nja_jx_i^j=(-1)^deg p$ where $p(x_i)=sumlimits_k=0^na_kx_i^k=0$ with $mle n$.
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If the polynomial has a double root, then it is a root of its derivative, and the expression is not well-defined.
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You want to show that $sumlimits_i=1^mfraca_0sumlimits_j=1^nja_jx_i^j=(-1)^deg p$ where $p(x_i)=sumlimits_k=0^na_kx_i^k=0$ with $mle n$.
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– TheSimpliFire
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If the polynomial has a double root, then it is a root of its derivative, and the expression is not well-defined.
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– Daniel
8 hours ago
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If the polynomial has a double root, then it is a root of its derivative, and the expression is not well-defined.
$endgroup$
– Daniel
8 hours ago
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You want to show that $sumlimits_i=1^mfraca_0sumlimits_j=1^nja_jx_i^j=(-1)^deg p$ where $p(x_i)=sumlimits_k=0^na_kx_i^k=0$ with $mle n$.
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– TheSimpliFire
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You want to show that $sumlimits_i=1^mfraca_0sumlimits_j=1^nja_jx_i^j=(-1)^deg p$ where $p(x_i)=sumlimits_k=0^na_kx_i^k=0$ with $mle n$.
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This results from partial fraction decomposition.
Suppose $g(x)$ has no repeated roots, and without loss of generality is monic (leading coefficient $1$). Then it factors as $displaystyle g(x)=prod_r(x-r)$ over all roots $r$ and
$$ frac1g(x)=sum_rfracc(r)x-r $$
for some constants $c(r)$, one for each root $r$. To find the constant $c(s)$ for a specific root $s$, first multiply the equation by the factor $(x-s)$,
$$ fracx-sg(x)=c(s)+sum_rne s c(r)fracx-sx-r $$
then "evaluate" i.e. take the limit $xto s$ to obtain
$$ frac1g'(s)=c(s). $$
Therefore we may plug $x=0$ into
$$ frac1g(x) =sum_r frac1g'(r)(x-r) $$
and manage negative signs to get
$$ frac(-1)^deg gdisplaystyle prod r = -sum_r frac1rg'(r). $$
When $deg g$ is odd, all signs can go away.
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Beautiful! And I managed to understand all steps!
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It is true for all polynomials with non-zero simple roots.
This follows from the barycentric form of Lagrange interpolation:
$$
L(x)=ell (x)sum _j=1^nfrac w_jx-x_jy_j
$$
where
$$
ell (x)=(x-x_1)(x-x_1)cdots (x-x_n),
quad
w_j=frac 1ell '(x_j)
$$
Therefore, for the constant function $1$ evaluated at $x=0$ we have
$$
1= L(0) = -ell (0)sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jell '(x_j)
$$
For a polynomial $f$ with simple roots $x_1, dots, x_n$, we have
$$
f(x)=a(x-x_1)(x-x_1)cdots (x-x_n)=aell (x)
$$
and so
$$
sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jf'(x_j)
=sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jaell '(x_j)
=-frac1aell(0)
=-frac1(-1)^nax_1 cdots x_n
=frac(-1)^n+1ax_1 cdots x_n
$$
This can also be written as
$$
sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jf'(x_j)
=-frac1f(0)
$$
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This results from partial fraction decomposition.
Suppose $g(x)$ has no repeated roots, and without loss of generality is monic (leading coefficient $1$). Then it factors as $displaystyle g(x)=prod_r(x-r)$ over all roots $r$ and
$$ frac1g(x)=sum_rfracc(r)x-r $$
for some constants $c(r)$, one for each root $r$. To find the constant $c(s)$ for a specific root $s$, first multiply the equation by the factor $(x-s)$,
$$ fracx-sg(x)=c(s)+sum_rne s c(r)fracx-sx-r $$
then "evaluate" i.e. take the limit $xto s$ to obtain
$$ frac1g'(s)=c(s). $$
Therefore we may plug $x=0$ into
$$ frac1g(x) =sum_r frac1g'(r)(x-r) $$
and manage negative signs to get
$$ frac(-1)^deg gdisplaystyle prod r = -sum_r frac1rg'(r). $$
When $deg g$ is odd, all signs can go away.
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Beautiful! And I managed to understand all steps!
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– Zamu
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This results from partial fraction decomposition.
Suppose $g(x)$ has no repeated roots, and without loss of generality is monic (leading coefficient $1$). Then it factors as $displaystyle g(x)=prod_r(x-r)$ over all roots $r$ and
$$ frac1g(x)=sum_rfracc(r)x-r $$
for some constants $c(r)$, one for each root $r$. To find the constant $c(s)$ for a specific root $s$, first multiply the equation by the factor $(x-s)$,
$$ fracx-sg(x)=c(s)+sum_rne s c(r)fracx-sx-r $$
then "evaluate" i.e. take the limit $xto s$ to obtain
$$ frac1g'(s)=c(s). $$
Therefore we may plug $x=0$ into
$$ frac1g(x) =sum_r frac1g'(r)(x-r) $$
and manage negative signs to get
$$ frac(-1)^deg gdisplaystyle prod r = -sum_r frac1rg'(r). $$
When $deg g$ is odd, all signs can go away.
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Beautiful! And I managed to understand all steps!
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– Zamu
2 hours ago
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This results from partial fraction decomposition.
Suppose $g(x)$ has no repeated roots, and without loss of generality is monic (leading coefficient $1$). Then it factors as $displaystyle g(x)=prod_r(x-r)$ over all roots $r$ and
$$ frac1g(x)=sum_rfracc(r)x-r $$
for some constants $c(r)$, one for each root $r$. To find the constant $c(s)$ for a specific root $s$, first multiply the equation by the factor $(x-s)$,
$$ fracx-sg(x)=c(s)+sum_rne s c(r)fracx-sx-r $$
then "evaluate" i.e. take the limit $xto s$ to obtain
$$ frac1g'(s)=c(s). $$
Therefore we may plug $x=0$ into
$$ frac1g(x) =sum_r frac1g'(r)(x-r) $$
and manage negative signs to get
$$ frac(-1)^deg gdisplaystyle prod r = -sum_r frac1rg'(r). $$
When $deg g$ is odd, all signs can go away.
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This results from partial fraction decomposition.
Suppose $g(x)$ has no repeated roots, and without loss of generality is monic (leading coefficient $1$). Then it factors as $displaystyle g(x)=prod_r(x-r)$ over all roots $r$ and
$$ frac1g(x)=sum_rfracc(r)x-r $$
for some constants $c(r)$, one for each root $r$. To find the constant $c(s)$ for a specific root $s$, first multiply the equation by the factor $(x-s)$,
$$ fracx-sg(x)=c(s)+sum_rne s c(r)fracx-sx-r $$
then "evaluate" i.e. take the limit $xto s$ to obtain
$$ frac1g'(s)=c(s). $$
Therefore we may plug $x=0$ into
$$ frac1g(x) =sum_r frac1g'(r)(x-r) $$
and manage negative signs to get
$$ frac(-1)^deg gdisplaystyle prod r = -sum_r frac1rg'(r). $$
When $deg g$ is odd, all signs can go away.
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It is true for all polynomials with non-zero simple roots.
This follows from the barycentric form of Lagrange interpolation:
$$
L(x)=ell (x)sum _j=1^nfrac w_jx-x_jy_j
$$
where
$$
ell (x)=(x-x_1)(x-x_1)cdots (x-x_n),
quad
w_j=frac 1ell '(x_j)
$$
Therefore, for the constant function $1$ evaluated at $x=0$ we have
$$
1= L(0) = -ell (0)sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jell '(x_j)
$$
For a polynomial $f$ with simple roots $x_1, dots, x_n$, we have
$$
f(x)=a(x-x_1)(x-x_1)cdots (x-x_n)=aell (x)
$$
and so
$$
sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jf'(x_j)
=sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jaell '(x_j)
=-frac1aell(0)
=-frac1(-1)^nax_1 cdots x_n
=frac(-1)^n+1ax_1 cdots x_n
$$
This can also be written as
$$
sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jf'(x_j)
=-frac1f(0)
$$
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
It is true for all polynomials with non-zero simple roots.
This follows from the barycentric form of Lagrange interpolation:
$$
L(x)=ell (x)sum _j=1^nfrac w_jx-x_jy_j
$$
where
$$
ell (x)=(x-x_1)(x-x_1)cdots (x-x_n),
quad
w_j=frac 1ell '(x_j)
$$
Therefore, for the constant function $1$ evaluated at $x=0$ we have
$$
1= L(0) = -ell (0)sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jell '(x_j)
$$
For a polynomial $f$ with simple roots $x_1, dots, x_n$, we have
$$
f(x)=a(x-x_1)(x-x_1)cdots (x-x_n)=aell (x)
$$
and so
$$
sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jf'(x_j)
=sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jaell '(x_j)
=-frac1aell(0)
=-frac1(-1)^nax_1 cdots x_n
=frac(-1)^n+1ax_1 cdots x_n
$$
This can also be written as
$$
sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jf'(x_j)
=-frac1f(0)
$$
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
It is true for all polynomials with non-zero simple roots.
This follows from the barycentric form of Lagrange interpolation:
$$
L(x)=ell (x)sum _j=1^nfrac w_jx-x_jy_j
$$
where
$$
ell (x)=(x-x_1)(x-x_1)cdots (x-x_n),
quad
w_j=frac 1ell '(x_j)
$$
Therefore, for the constant function $1$ evaluated at $x=0$ we have
$$
1= L(0) = -ell (0)sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jell '(x_j)
$$
For a polynomial $f$ with simple roots $x_1, dots, x_n$, we have
$$
f(x)=a(x-x_1)(x-x_1)cdots (x-x_n)=aell (x)
$$
and so
$$
sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jf'(x_j)
=sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jaell '(x_j)
=-frac1aell(0)
=-frac1(-1)^nax_1 cdots x_n
=frac(-1)^n+1ax_1 cdots x_n
$$
This can also be written as
$$
sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jf'(x_j)
=-frac1f(0)
$$
$endgroup$
It is true for all polynomials with non-zero simple roots.
This follows from the barycentric form of Lagrange interpolation:
$$
L(x)=ell (x)sum _j=1^nfrac w_jx-x_jy_j
$$
where
$$
ell (x)=(x-x_1)(x-x_1)cdots (x-x_n),
quad
w_j=frac 1ell '(x_j)
$$
Therefore, for the constant function $1$ evaluated at $x=0$ we have
$$
1= L(0) = -ell (0)sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jell '(x_j)
$$
For a polynomial $f$ with simple roots $x_1, dots, x_n$, we have
$$
f(x)=a(x-x_1)(x-x_1)cdots (x-x_n)=aell (x)
$$
and so
$$
sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jf'(x_j)
=sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jaell '(x_j)
=-frac1aell(0)
=-frac1(-1)^nax_1 cdots x_n
=frac(-1)^n+1ax_1 cdots x_n
$$
This can also be written as
$$
sum _j=1^nfrac 1x_jf'(x_j)
=-frac1f(0)
$$
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If the polynomial has a double root, then it is a root of its derivative, and the expression is not well-defined.
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– Daniel
8 hours ago
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You want to show that $sumlimits_i=1^mfraca_0sumlimits_j=1^nja_jx_i^j=(-1)^deg p$ where $p(x_i)=sumlimits_k=0^na_kx_i^k=0$ with $mle n$.
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– TheSimpliFire
8 hours ago