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Players of unusual orchestral instruments
How does Ballet music differ from an Orchestral Suite of the same name?Orchestral strings disposition (numeration meaning)Where and how can a conductor require execution of orchestral pieces to a string player?Should low frequency players anticipate in orchestra?Identifying orchestral soundsDo composers take advantage of the position of players in an orchestra for effect?Emulating human performance in orchestral softwareOrchestral Composition ProcessAdvice on arranging an orchestral work for piano duet?Non-Chromatic Orchestral Instruments?
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Consider a professional orchestra with a fairly wide repertoire. Obviously it will need players of all of the strings pretty much all of the time. However, for many of the other instruments, the need will vary a lot.
Consider the clarinet next. Many older pieces will need none. One, two, or three will be commonly required. Some pieces, e.g. Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, will need five. Does the orchestra retain five clarinet players but some sit idle a lot? Do they need to engage individuals to boost the numbers when required?
How about rarer instruments (in the classical repertoire). The saxophone appears occasionally but not often. So, I doubt that there will be a retained saxophone specialist. A clarinetist might double on the saxophone but pieces that need the saxophone often need a clarinet as well so there may be no spare retained clarinettist. Similar comments apply to other occasional instruments e.g. oboe d'amore and larger flutes.
It is not obvious what a harp player might double on but many pieces require nohe whereas others require one or two.
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Consider a professional orchestra with a fairly wide repertoire. Obviously it will need players of all of the strings pretty much all of the time. However, for many of the other instruments, the need will vary a lot.
Consider the clarinet next. Many older pieces will need none. One, two, or three will be commonly required. Some pieces, e.g. Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, will need five. Does the orchestra retain five clarinet players but some sit idle a lot? Do they need to engage individuals to boost the numbers when required?
How about rarer instruments (in the classical repertoire). The saxophone appears occasionally but not often. So, I doubt that there will be a retained saxophone specialist. A clarinetist might double on the saxophone but pieces that need the saxophone often need a clarinet as well so there may be no spare retained clarinettist. Similar comments apply to other occasional instruments e.g. oboe d'amore and larger flutes.
It is not obvious what a harp player might double on but many pieces require nohe whereas others require one or two.
orchestra
add a comment |
Consider a professional orchestra with a fairly wide repertoire. Obviously it will need players of all of the strings pretty much all of the time. However, for many of the other instruments, the need will vary a lot.
Consider the clarinet next. Many older pieces will need none. One, two, or three will be commonly required. Some pieces, e.g. Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, will need five. Does the orchestra retain five clarinet players but some sit idle a lot? Do they need to engage individuals to boost the numbers when required?
How about rarer instruments (in the classical repertoire). The saxophone appears occasionally but not often. So, I doubt that there will be a retained saxophone specialist. A clarinetist might double on the saxophone but pieces that need the saxophone often need a clarinet as well so there may be no spare retained clarinettist. Similar comments apply to other occasional instruments e.g. oboe d'amore and larger flutes.
It is not obvious what a harp player might double on but many pieces require nohe whereas others require one or two.
orchestra
Consider a professional orchestra with a fairly wide repertoire. Obviously it will need players of all of the strings pretty much all of the time. However, for many of the other instruments, the need will vary a lot.
Consider the clarinet next. Many older pieces will need none. One, two, or three will be commonly required. Some pieces, e.g. Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, will need five. Does the orchestra retain five clarinet players but some sit idle a lot? Do they need to engage individuals to boost the numbers when required?
How about rarer instruments (in the classical repertoire). The saxophone appears occasionally but not often. So, I doubt that there will be a retained saxophone specialist. A clarinetist might double on the saxophone but pieces that need the saxophone often need a clarinet as well so there may be no spare retained clarinettist. Similar comments apply to other occasional instruments e.g. oboe d'amore and larger flutes.
It is not obvious what a harp player might double on but many pieces require nohe whereas others require one or two.
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In a professional orchestra, they'll only retain the core players. For pieces that need additional instrumentalists, they'll hire them for just that concert. The managers of these orchestras maintain a network of the city's top players and usually use the same ones.
In a college or civic orchestra, there's usually not the same ability to bring in extra people for one specific piece, so they have to be more careful when programming a concert. Any piece with a lot of extra instruments (such as Rite of Spring) is a major planning effort, if it's even possible at all. But of course, even pieces with more typical personnel requirements do vary a bit. One piece will call for 2 clarinets, another for 3. These groups will maintain just enough people to cover the largest normal requirements, and they usually rotate chairs a bit to keep everyone involved. Harpists and pianists may be asked to cover easy percussion for pieces where they otherwise wouldn't be used.
So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
8 hours ago
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@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
7 hours ago
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
7 hours ago
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It depends on the orchestra's schedule. Some orchestras hire all of their players on a "per service" basis. Others have a core on salary, but they will hire additional players per service as needed.
The Metropolitan Opera orchestra has a long list of "associate musicians" on their roster, for example, but no indication of who plays saxophone.
That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
4 hours ago
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
3 hours ago
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
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In a professional orchestra, they'll only retain the core players. For pieces that need additional instrumentalists, they'll hire them for just that concert. The managers of these orchestras maintain a network of the city's top players and usually use the same ones.
In a college or civic orchestra, there's usually not the same ability to bring in extra people for one specific piece, so they have to be more careful when programming a concert. Any piece with a lot of extra instruments (such as Rite of Spring) is a major planning effort, if it's even possible at all. But of course, even pieces with more typical personnel requirements do vary a bit. One piece will call for 2 clarinets, another for 3. These groups will maintain just enough people to cover the largest normal requirements, and they usually rotate chairs a bit to keep everyone involved. Harpists and pianists may be asked to cover easy percussion for pieces where they otherwise wouldn't be used.
So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
8 hours ago
1
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
7 hours ago
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
7 hours ago
add a comment |
In a professional orchestra, they'll only retain the core players. For pieces that need additional instrumentalists, they'll hire them for just that concert. The managers of these orchestras maintain a network of the city's top players and usually use the same ones.
In a college or civic orchestra, there's usually not the same ability to bring in extra people for one specific piece, so they have to be more careful when programming a concert. Any piece with a lot of extra instruments (such as Rite of Spring) is a major planning effort, if it's even possible at all. But of course, even pieces with more typical personnel requirements do vary a bit. One piece will call for 2 clarinets, another for 3. These groups will maintain just enough people to cover the largest normal requirements, and they usually rotate chairs a bit to keep everyone involved. Harpists and pianists may be asked to cover easy percussion for pieces where they otherwise wouldn't be used.
So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
8 hours ago
1
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
7 hours ago
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
7 hours ago
add a comment |
In a professional orchestra, they'll only retain the core players. For pieces that need additional instrumentalists, they'll hire them for just that concert. The managers of these orchestras maintain a network of the city's top players and usually use the same ones.
In a college or civic orchestra, there's usually not the same ability to bring in extra people for one specific piece, so they have to be more careful when programming a concert. Any piece with a lot of extra instruments (such as Rite of Spring) is a major planning effort, if it's even possible at all. But of course, even pieces with more typical personnel requirements do vary a bit. One piece will call for 2 clarinets, another for 3. These groups will maintain just enough people to cover the largest normal requirements, and they usually rotate chairs a bit to keep everyone involved. Harpists and pianists may be asked to cover easy percussion for pieces where they otherwise wouldn't be used.
In a professional orchestra, they'll only retain the core players. For pieces that need additional instrumentalists, they'll hire them for just that concert. The managers of these orchestras maintain a network of the city's top players and usually use the same ones.
In a college or civic orchestra, there's usually not the same ability to bring in extra people for one specific piece, so they have to be more careful when programming a concert. Any piece with a lot of extra instruments (such as Rite of Spring) is a major planning effort, if it's even possible at all. But of course, even pieces with more typical personnel requirements do vary a bit. One piece will call for 2 clarinets, another for 3. These groups will maintain just enough people to cover the largest normal requirements, and they usually rotate chairs a bit to keep everyone involved. Harpists and pianists may be asked to cover easy percussion for pieces where they otherwise wouldn't be used.
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So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
8 hours ago
1
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
7 hours ago
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
7 hours ago
add a comment |
So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
8 hours ago
1
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
7 hours ago
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
7 hours ago
So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
8 hours ago
So, a harp player may be required to double on the triangle?
– badjohn
8 hours ago
1
1
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
7 hours ago
@badjohn In a professional orchestra, if there's no harp in a program the harp player has time off. Or, more likely, they are busy doing other gigs.
– PiedPiper
7 hours ago
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
7 hours ago
@PiedPiper I would have guessed that until Matt's final comment. Actually, that is within the paragraph of college or civic orchestras, not professional ones. An amusing notion. "Sorry Lucy and Fred, no harps today - you're on triangle and wooden block".
– badjohn
7 hours ago
add a comment |
It depends on the orchestra's schedule. Some orchestras hire all of their players on a "per service" basis. Others have a core on salary, but they will hire additional players per service as needed.
The Metropolitan Opera orchestra has a long list of "associate musicians" on their roster, for example, but no indication of who plays saxophone.
That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
4 hours ago
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
3 hours ago
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
3 hours ago
|
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It depends on the orchestra's schedule. Some orchestras hire all of their players on a "per service" basis. Others have a core on salary, but they will hire additional players per service as needed.
The Metropolitan Opera orchestra has a long list of "associate musicians" on their roster, for example, but no indication of who plays saxophone.
That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
4 hours ago
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
3 hours ago
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
3 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
It depends on the orchestra's schedule. Some orchestras hire all of their players on a "per service" basis. Others have a core on salary, but they will hire additional players per service as needed.
The Metropolitan Opera orchestra has a long list of "associate musicians" on their roster, for example, but no indication of who plays saxophone.
It depends on the orchestra's schedule. Some orchestras hire all of their players on a "per service" basis. Others have a core on salary, but they will hire additional players per service as needed.
The Metropolitan Opera orchestra has a long list of "associate musicians" on their roster, for example, but no indication of who plays saxophone.
answered 7 hours ago
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That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
4 hours ago
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
3 hours ago
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
3 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
4 hours ago
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
3 hours ago
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
3 hours ago
That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
That's great. I see the CBSO (City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra) most often. They list the players for the performance in the programme but I'm not aware of an online resource like that.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
I see that there are librarians. I have not heard any pieces requiring a librarian, I have to look for one.
– badjohn
6 hours ago
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
4 hours ago
@badjohn try 4' 33".
– phoog
4 hours ago
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
3 hours ago
@badjohn Forgive me, but I can't tell if that's a serious or sarcastic question.
– Richard
3 hours ago
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
3 hours ago
@Richard About the librarians? It's just a joke.
– badjohn
3 hours ago
|
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