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Why does the recording about Twin Pines Mall not change the same way the newspapers and photographs change?


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Background



In Back to The Future, the mall where Marty and the Doc first meet to test the time machine is called Twin Pines Mall. In this scene, the Doc reminisces about the location and recalls when the land was owned by "old man Peabody" who had a crazy idea about "breeding pine trees".



When Marty travels back to 1955 he is of course in the same location. The land is a field as Doc described. When Marty exits the barn in the DeLorean he knocks over one of two pine trees which we see surrounded by fencing, and this causes old man Peabody some distress. Later, when Marty returns to 1985, we see that the same mall is now called "Lone Pine Mall". This is a beautiful plot device as it is the first clue that Marty has returned to an altered timeline.



Problem



When Marty and Doc first watch the recording of past Marty and future Doc in 1955, you can hear the recording of Doc say:




"I'm standing on the parking lot of Twin Pines Mall".




This to me is a major plot hole, as Marty has already changed this detail by knocking over the tree.



In Back to the Future lore, when past events are changed and therefore future events are changed also, things from that future that are currently in the past are erased/changed. Newspapers change headlines, photographs change etc.



Question



Why, if Marty had changed the future timeline by knocking over the tree does the recording not say:




"I'm standing on the parking lot of Lone Pine Mall".




Why does the recording not change just like it would a newspaper or photograph?










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    This question suggests that he may in fact have said "Lone Pine Mall", or at the very least, that it was obscured so you couldn't tell what he said.

    – F1Krazy
    8 hours ago











  • if you watch it he clearly says twin not lone

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago

















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Background



In Back to The Future, the mall where Marty and the Doc first meet to test the time machine is called Twin Pines Mall. In this scene, the Doc reminisces about the location and recalls when the land was owned by "old man Peabody" who had a crazy idea about "breeding pine trees".



When Marty travels back to 1955 he is of course in the same location. The land is a field as Doc described. When Marty exits the barn in the DeLorean he knocks over one of two pine trees which we see surrounded by fencing, and this causes old man Peabody some distress. Later, when Marty returns to 1985, we see that the same mall is now called "Lone Pine Mall". This is a beautiful plot device as it is the first clue that Marty has returned to an altered timeline.



Problem



When Marty and Doc first watch the recording of past Marty and future Doc in 1955, you can hear the recording of Doc say:




"I'm standing on the parking lot of Twin Pines Mall".




This to me is a major plot hole, as Marty has already changed this detail by knocking over the tree.



In Back to the Future lore, when past events are changed and therefore future events are changed also, things from that future that are currently in the past are erased/changed. Newspapers change headlines, photographs change etc.



Question



Why, if Marty had changed the future timeline by knocking over the tree does the recording not say:




"I'm standing on the parking lot of Lone Pine Mall".




Why does the recording not change just like it would a newspaper or photograph?










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    This question suggests that he may in fact have said "Lone Pine Mall", or at the very least, that it was obscured so you couldn't tell what he said.

    – F1Krazy
    8 hours ago











  • if you watch it he clearly says twin not lone

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago













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Background



In Back to The Future, the mall where Marty and the Doc first meet to test the time machine is called Twin Pines Mall. In this scene, the Doc reminisces about the location and recalls when the land was owned by "old man Peabody" who had a crazy idea about "breeding pine trees".



When Marty travels back to 1955 he is of course in the same location. The land is a field as Doc described. When Marty exits the barn in the DeLorean he knocks over one of two pine trees which we see surrounded by fencing, and this causes old man Peabody some distress. Later, when Marty returns to 1985, we see that the same mall is now called "Lone Pine Mall". This is a beautiful plot device as it is the first clue that Marty has returned to an altered timeline.



Problem



When Marty and Doc first watch the recording of past Marty and future Doc in 1955, you can hear the recording of Doc say:




"I'm standing on the parking lot of Twin Pines Mall".




This to me is a major plot hole, as Marty has already changed this detail by knocking over the tree.



In Back to the Future lore, when past events are changed and therefore future events are changed also, things from that future that are currently in the past are erased/changed. Newspapers change headlines, photographs change etc.



Question



Why, if Marty had changed the future timeline by knocking over the tree does the recording not say:




"I'm standing on the parking lot of Lone Pine Mall".




Why does the recording not change just like it would a newspaper or photograph?










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Background



In Back to The Future, the mall where Marty and the Doc first meet to test the time machine is called Twin Pines Mall. In this scene, the Doc reminisces about the location and recalls when the land was owned by "old man Peabody" who had a crazy idea about "breeding pine trees".



When Marty travels back to 1955 he is of course in the same location. The land is a field as Doc described. When Marty exits the barn in the DeLorean he knocks over one of two pine trees which we see surrounded by fencing, and this causes old man Peabody some distress. Later, when Marty returns to 1985, we see that the same mall is now called "Lone Pine Mall". This is a beautiful plot device as it is the first clue that Marty has returned to an altered timeline.



Problem



When Marty and Doc first watch the recording of past Marty and future Doc in 1955, you can hear the recording of Doc say:




"I'm standing on the parking lot of Twin Pines Mall".




This to me is a major plot hole, as Marty has already changed this detail by knocking over the tree.



In Back to the Future lore, when past events are changed and therefore future events are changed also, things from that future that are currently in the past are erased/changed. Newspapers change headlines, photographs change etc.



Question



Why, if Marty had changed the future timeline by knocking over the tree does the recording not say:




"I'm standing on the parking lot of Lone Pine Mall".




Why does the recording not change just like it would a newspaper or photograph?







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    This question suggests that he may in fact have said "Lone Pine Mall", or at the very least, that it was obscured so you couldn't tell what he said.

    – F1Krazy
    8 hours ago











  • if you watch it he clearly says twin not lone

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago












  • 1





    This question suggests that he may in fact have said "Lone Pine Mall", or at the very least, that it was obscured so you couldn't tell what he said.

    – F1Krazy
    8 hours ago











  • if you watch it he clearly says twin not lone

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago







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This question suggests that he may in fact have said "Lone Pine Mall", or at the very least, that it was obscured so you couldn't tell what he said.

– F1Krazy
8 hours ago





This question suggests that he may in fact have said "Lone Pine Mall", or at the very least, that it was obscured so you couldn't tell what he said.

– F1Krazy
8 hours ago













if you watch it he clearly says twin not lone

– OverWims
6 hours ago





if you watch it he clearly says twin not lone

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thus already ensured the future of the parking lots name being Lone Pine Mall




Ensured? Are you sure? Marty didn't immediately cease to exist when he made his mum fall in love with him instead of George. Apparently, changes to time take some... time.



When Marty plays the video, Old Man Peabody still has plenty of opportunity to transplant a replacement pine tree, and preserve his glorious two-tree vision. Maybe it was George and Elaine, on a stroll through the countryside, who talked him out of doing so, thanks to George's newfound assertive attitude.






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    Yep. Changes to the past take time to "ripple" through to the future. Consider also Marty's photograph: it didn't vanish instantly, but faded gradually over the course of the film, conveniently informing us how much time Marty has left.

    – F1Krazy
    8 hours ago












  • This is true for Marty's photo and the gravestone photo, but the newspapers changed instantly once the change had occurred and someone looked at them. Logically this would be the same for everything. I agree that maybe Mr Peabody could have put another pine-tree down, but Doc himself says in the 3rd film "this photograph represents what will happen if the events of today continue to run their course into tomorrow" meaning if no one changes what is now history, then the future is set, unless changed again.

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago











  • So the tape should have changed as clearly evidenced by the mall being named Lone Pine Mall in 1985, Mr Peabody already decided that he was never going to plant another one and therefore those events would have continued into tomorrow and the next 30 years instantly, therefore instantly affecting the tape Marty brought back with him.

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago











  • @OverWims: “Logically this would be the same for everything.” Clearly it's not the same for everything, so if we want to make up a rule that's consistent with everything we see, it has to allow for non-instant changes too.

    – Paul D. Waite
    5 hours ago


















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Timeline changes in Back to the Future aren't reflected instantly: there's a gradual ripple effect as they propagate through time. Consider the photograph of Marty's family (and Marty himself): they only faded away slowly, piece by piece, after Marty interfered with his parents' relationship.



No doubt the video recording did change to "Lone Pine Mall" eventually, but it wouldn't have been immediate. So it makes sense that it would have still said "Twin Pines" at the point when Doc saw it.






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  • Also out-of-universe, it would be confusing to the public why 'lone pine mall' without explanation. When Marty arrives to 1985, it becomes obvious and clear.

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    2 hours ago













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thus already ensured the future of the parking lots name being Lone Pine Mall




Ensured? Are you sure? Marty didn't immediately cease to exist when he made his mum fall in love with him instead of George. Apparently, changes to time take some... time.



When Marty plays the video, Old Man Peabody still has plenty of opportunity to transplant a replacement pine tree, and preserve his glorious two-tree vision. Maybe it was George and Elaine, on a stroll through the countryside, who talked him out of doing so, thanks to George's newfound assertive attitude.






share|improve this answer


















  • 2





    Yep. Changes to the past take time to "ripple" through to the future. Consider also Marty's photograph: it didn't vanish instantly, but faded gradually over the course of the film, conveniently informing us how much time Marty has left.

    – F1Krazy
    8 hours ago












  • This is true for Marty's photo and the gravestone photo, but the newspapers changed instantly once the change had occurred and someone looked at them. Logically this would be the same for everything. I agree that maybe Mr Peabody could have put another pine-tree down, but Doc himself says in the 3rd film "this photograph represents what will happen if the events of today continue to run their course into tomorrow" meaning if no one changes what is now history, then the future is set, unless changed again.

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago











  • So the tape should have changed as clearly evidenced by the mall being named Lone Pine Mall in 1985, Mr Peabody already decided that he was never going to plant another one and therefore those events would have continued into tomorrow and the next 30 years instantly, therefore instantly affecting the tape Marty brought back with him.

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago











  • @OverWims: “Logically this would be the same for everything.” Clearly it's not the same for everything, so if we want to make up a rule that's consistent with everything we see, it has to allow for non-instant changes too.

    – Paul D. Waite
    5 hours ago















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thus already ensured the future of the parking lots name being Lone Pine Mall




Ensured? Are you sure? Marty didn't immediately cease to exist when he made his mum fall in love with him instead of George. Apparently, changes to time take some... time.



When Marty plays the video, Old Man Peabody still has plenty of opportunity to transplant a replacement pine tree, and preserve his glorious two-tree vision. Maybe it was George and Elaine, on a stroll through the countryside, who talked him out of doing so, thanks to George's newfound assertive attitude.






share|improve this answer


















  • 2





    Yep. Changes to the past take time to "ripple" through to the future. Consider also Marty's photograph: it didn't vanish instantly, but faded gradually over the course of the film, conveniently informing us how much time Marty has left.

    – F1Krazy
    8 hours ago












  • This is true for Marty's photo and the gravestone photo, but the newspapers changed instantly once the change had occurred and someone looked at them. Logically this would be the same for everything. I agree that maybe Mr Peabody could have put another pine-tree down, but Doc himself says in the 3rd film "this photograph represents what will happen if the events of today continue to run their course into tomorrow" meaning if no one changes what is now history, then the future is set, unless changed again.

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago











  • So the tape should have changed as clearly evidenced by the mall being named Lone Pine Mall in 1985, Mr Peabody already decided that he was never going to plant another one and therefore those events would have continued into tomorrow and the next 30 years instantly, therefore instantly affecting the tape Marty brought back with him.

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago











  • @OverWims: “Logically this would be the same for everything.” Clearly it's not the same for everything, so if we want to make up a rule that's consistent with everything we see, it has to allow for non-instant changes too.

    – Paul D. Waite
    5 hours ago













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thus already ensured the future of the parking lots name being Lone Pine Mall




Ensured? Are you sure? Marty didn't immediately cease to exist when he made his mum fall in love with him instead of George. Apparently, changes to time take some... time.



When Marty plays the video, Old Man Peabody still has plenty of opportunity to transplant a replacement pine tree, and preserve his glorious two-tree vision. Maybe it was George and Elaine, on a stroll through the countryside, who talked him out of doing so, thanks to George's newfound assertive attitude.






share|improve this answer














thus already ensured the future of the parking lots name being Lone Pine Mall




Ensured? Are you sure? Marty didn't immediately cease to exist when he made his mum fall in love with him instead of George. Apparently, changes to time take some... time.



When Marty plays the video, Old Man Peabody still has plenty of opportunity to transplant a replacement pine tree, and preserve his glorious two-tree vision. Maybe it was George and Elaine, on a stroll through the countryside, who talked him out of doing so, thanks to George's newfound assertive attitude.







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    Yep. Changes to the past take time to "ripple" through to the future. Consider also Marty's photograph: it didn't vanish instantly, but faded gradually over the course of the film, conveniently informing us how much time Marty has left.

    – F1Krazy
    8 hours ago












  • This is true for Marty's photo and the gravestone photo, but the newspapers changed instantly once the change had occurred and someone looked at them. Logically this would be the same for everything. I agree that maybe Mr Peabody could have put another pine-tree down, but Doc himself says in the 3rd film "this photograph represents what will happen if the events of today continue to run their course into tomorrow" meaning if no one changes what is now history, then the future is set, unless changed again.

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago











  • So the tape should have changed as clearly evidenced by the mall being named Lone Pine Mall in 1985, Mr Peabody already decided that he was never going to plant another one and therefore those events would have continued into tomorrow and the next 30 years instantly, therefore instantly affecting the tape Marty brought back with him.

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago











  • @OverWims: “Logically this would be the same for everything.” Clearly it's not the same for everything, so if we want to make up a rule that's consistent with everything we see, it has to allow for non-instant changes too.

    – Paul D. Waite
    5 hours ago












  • 2





    Yep. Changes to the past take time to "ripple" through to the future. Consider also Marty's photograph: it didn't vanish instantly, but faded gradually over the course of the film, conveniently informing us how much time Marty has left.

    – F1Krazy
    8 hours ago












  • This is true for Marty's photo and the gravestone photo, but the newspapers changed instantly once the change had occurred and someone looked at them. Logically this would be the same for everything. I agree that maybe Mr Peabody could have put another pine-tree down, but Doc himself says in the 3rd film "this photograph represents what will happen if the events of today continue to run their course into tomorrow" meaning if no one changes what is now history, then the future is set, unless changed again.

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago











  • So the tape should have changed as clearly evidenced by the mall being named Lone Pine Mall in 1985, Mr Peabody already decided that he was never going to plant another one and therefore those events would have continued into tomorrow and the next 30 years instantly, therefore instantly affecting the tape Marty brought back with him.

    – OverWims
    6 hours ago











  • @OverWims: “Logically this would be the same for everything.” Clearly it's not the same for everything, so if we want to make up a rule that's consistent with everything we see, it has to allow for non-instant changes too.

    – Paul D. Waite
    5 hours ago







2




2





Yep. Changes to the past take time to "ripple" through to the future. Consider also Marty's photograph: it didn't vanish instantly, but faded gradually over the course of the film, conveniently informing us how much time Marty has left.

– F1Krazy
8 hours ago






Yep. Changes to the past take time to "ripple" through to the future. Consider also Marty's photograph: it didn't vanish instantly, but faded gradually over the course of the film, conveniently informing us how much time Marty has left.

– F1Krazy
8 hours ago














This is true for Marty's photo and the gravestone photo, but the newspapers changed instantly once the change had occurred and someone looked at them. Logically this would be the same for everything. I agree that maybe Mr Peabody could have put another pine-tree down, but Doc himself says in the 3rd film "this photograph represents what will happen if the events of today continue to run their course into tomorrow" meaning if no one changes what is now history, then the future is set, unless changed again.

– OverWims
6 hours ago





This is true for Marty's photo and the gravestone photo, but the newspapers changed instantly once the change had occurred and someone looked at them. Logically this would be the same for everything. I agree that maybe Mr Peabody could have put another pine-tree down, but Doc himself says in the 3rd film "this photograph represents what will happen if the events of today continue to run their course into tomorrow" meaning if no one changes what is now history, then the future is set, unless changed again.

– OverWims
6 hours ago













So the tape should have changed as clearly evidenced by the mall being named Lone Pine Mall in 1985, Mr Peabody already decided that he was never going to plant another one and therefore those events would have continued into tomorrow and the next 30 years instantly, therefore instantly affecting the tape Marty brought back with him.

– OverWims
6 hours ago





So the tape should have changed as clearly evidenced by the mall being named Lone Pine Mall in 1985, Mr Peabody already decided that he was never going to plant another one and therefore those events would have continued into tomorrow and the next 30 years instantly, therefore instantly affecting the tape Marty brought back with him.

– OverWims
6 hours ago













@OverWims: “Logically this would be the same for everything.” Clearly it's not the same for everything, so if we want to make up a rule that's consistent with everything we see, it has to allow for non-instant changes too.

– Paul D. Waite
5 hours ago





@OverWims: “Logically this would be the same for everything.” Clearly it's not the same for everything, so if we want to make up a rule that's consistent with everything we see, it has to allow for non-instant changes too.

– Paul D. Waite
5 hours ago













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Timeline changes in Back to the Future aren't reflected instantly: there's a gradual ripple effect as they propagate through time. Consider the photograph of Marty's family (and Marty himself): they only faded away slowly, piece by piece, after Marty interfered with his parents' relationship.



No doubt the video recording did change to "Lone Pine Mall" eventually, but it wouldn't have been immediate. So it makes sense that it would have still said "Twin Pines" at the point when Doc saw it.






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  • Also out-of-universe, it would be confusing to the public why 'lone pine mall' without explanation. When Marty arrives to 1985, it becomes obvious and clear.

    – TimSparrow
    2 hours ago















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Timeline changes in Back to the Future aren't reflected instantly: there's a gradual ripple effect as they propagate through time. Consider the photograph of Marty's family (and Marty himself): they only faded away slowly, piece by piece, after Marty interfered with his parents' relationship.



No doubt the video recording did change to "Lone Pine Mall" eventually, but it wouldn't have been immediate. So it makes sense that it would have still said "Twin Pines" at the point when Doc saw it.






share|improve this answer























  • Also out-of-universe, it would be confusing to the public why 'lone pine mall' without explanation. When Marty arrives to 1985, it becomes obvious and clear.

    – TimSparrow
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Timeline changes in Back to the Future aren't reflected instantly: there's a gradual ripple effect as they propagate through time. Consider the photograph of Marty's family (and Marty himself): they only faded away slowly, piece by piece, after Marty interfered with his parents' relationship.



No doubt the video recording did change to "Lone Pine Mall" eventually, but it wouldn't have been immediate. So it makes sense that it would have still said "Twin Pines" at the point when Doc saw it.






share|improve this answer













Timeline changes in Back to the Future aren't reflected instantly: there's a gradual ripple effect as they propagate through time. Consider the photograph of Marty's family (and Marty himself): they only faded away slowly, piece by piece, after Marty interfered with his parents' relationship.



No doubt the video recording did change to "Lone Pine Mall" eventually, but it wouldn't have been immediate. So it makes sense that it would have still said "Twin Pines" at the point when Doc saw it.







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  • Also out-of-universe, it would be confusing to the public why 'lone pine mall' without explanation. When Marty arrives to 1985, it becomes obvious and clear.

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  • Also out-of-universe, it would be confusing to the public why 'lone pine mall' without explanation. When Marty arrives to 1985, it becomes obvious and clear.

    – TimSparrow
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Also out-of-universe, it would be confusing to the public why 'lone pine mall' without explanation. When Marty arrives to 1985, it becomes obvious and clear.

– TimSparrow
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Also out-of-universe, it would be confusing to the public why 'lone pine mall' without explanation. When Marty arrives to 1985, it becomes obvious and clear.

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