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How do I present a future free of gender stereotypes without being jarring or overpowering the narrative?


An LGBT main character, but the book isn't about LGBT issuesHow to write a homosexual character, whose homosexuality isn't the point of the story?When developing a stage play, whose gender matters more? The characters' or the actors'?How much can I talk about other people's works?What kind of an effect does breaking gender roles/stereotypes have in fiction?How do I keep the gender of my main character purposely ambiguous?Moving away from a gender-based analysisHow do male and female writing styles differ?How to indicate that the source language is gender-neutral?Realistically incorporating trans/nonbinary charactersHow to portray a character with gender dysphoria?Averting Real Women Don’t Wear Dresses






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My story takes place in a relatively near future setting where gender stereotypes have become a thing of the past. Unlike a recent question on another site, physiological sex-specific traits are still very much present in society, but they no longer have any significant meaning outside of mate selection and some health care contexts. Choices about casual or even committed sexual activity outside of reproduction are subject only to basic rules about protecting children and persons unable to consent. Rules about appropriate clothing, activities, professions, hairstyles, mannerisms, etc. simply no longer exist except as a historical curiosity or the unachievable dream of rare ultra-conservative activists (who either don't actually appear in my story or are a triviality).



How do I portray this in my world without making it a critical part of the plot or theme? That is, I don't want this to be a "men in dresses" story, but rather a story that might happen to have men in dresses at some point because it's the stereotype-free future and whatnot.



My main ideas are:



  • Just describe gender-free life, and hope the reader is not too startled.

  • Provide some sort of narrative introduction to the reader explaining the setting and how gender stereotypes no longer exist. This, however, seems like something I want to avoid, because the story is not about gender.

  • Provide some sort of in-universe contrived dialogue in which this is revealed. For example, a school teacher might give a history lesson in which they explain to their students how there used to be these things called gender stereotypes, etc.

There are a few other questions on this site about how to write in an LGBT character without making an LGBT Story, such as An LGBT main character, but the book isn't about LGBT issues and How to write a homosexual character, whose homosexuality isn't the point of the story? , but they don't quite match because I'm talking about an entire society, one in which the concept of being LGBT no longer exists because everyone, and conversely, no one, qualifies as a gender or sexual minority.



Notes:



  • The exact timeframe is not very important, so we can assume at least the minimum amount of time for such a change to take place has actually elapsed. Considering that Western society's transition to allowing women to wear trousers took approximately 30 years (from organized defiance to minority to normalcy), and that acceptance of homosexuality is proceeding in a similar fashion, we can assume that my future likely takes place sometime in the late 21st century.

  • While there is an obvious parallel to Star Trek lurking somewhere in the question, it is important that I am not writing a Star Trek story, and there are no phasers, Klingons, or replicators around (nor anything similar to them), and, even if I was, the question is medium-based, so the way in which Star Trek has presented some "gender-non-conforming" characters in the background does not really apply to the written medium, where everything must be described in words.

  • A big part of the focus is not falling into either traditional or "LGBT" stereotypes. So, while the story may have "men in dresses", it won't have "Men in Dresses" in the sense that that is their thing. Dresses, in this case, would just be one of many possible clothing options. Some women would be inclined to wearing them, some men would, and some people would just not care for them.

I am asking this question here rather than Worldbuilding.SE because I am asking specifically about the writing process and how to explain this to my readers, not the process of designing a gender-free society.










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    How close is, say, Star Trek to what you're trying to achieve? Are there any other touchpoints that pretty much are or very much are not what you're aiming for?

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    @Standback I actually thought of Star Trek, and its idealized future (never fully shown) is actually fairly close to what I want, but I am thinking of the storytelling medium here. Star Trek could just show background characters on-screen that were not following 20th century stereotypes without really saying anything. I can't easily do that in writing because I need to explicitly describe what is happening and what characters see. I am also not writing a Star Trek story, and there are no phasers, Klingons, or replicators around.

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    I don't believe there's an answer, but there is an example. Go read Ancillary Justice, and if you like it the subsequent novels. That award winning book used a strong POV that couldn't see gender for reasons. It was always there, but it also wasn't the point. Sex comes up & happens but isn't always the point. Studying what it does may give you some vantage in how to succeed.

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My story takes place in a relatively near future setting where gender stereotypes have become a thing of the past. Unlike a recent question on another site, physiological sex-specific traits are still very much present in society, but they no longer have any significant meaning outside of mate selection and some health care contexts. Choices about casual or even committed sexual activity outside of reproduction are subject only to basic rules about protecting children and persons unable to consent. Rules about appropriate clothing, activities, professions, hairstyles, mannerisms, etc. simply no longer exist except as a historical curiosity or the unachievable dream of rare ultra-conservative activists (who either don't actually appear in my story or are a triviality).



How do I portray this in my world without making it a critical part of the plot or theme? That is, I don't want this to be a "men in dresses" story, but rather a story that might happen to have men in dresses at some point because it's the stereotype-free future and whatnot.



My main ideas are:



  • Just describe gender-free life, and hope the reader is not too startled.

  • Provide some sort of narrative introduction to the reader explaining the setting and how gender stereotypes no longer exist. This, however, seems like something I want to avoid, because the story is not about gender.

  • Provide some sort of in-universe contrived dialogue in which this is revealed. For example, a school teacher might give a history lesson in which they explain to their students how there used to be these things called gender stereotypes, etc.

There are a few other questions on this site about how to write in an LGBT character without making an LGBT Story, such as An LGBT main character, but the book isn't about LGBT issues and How to write a homosexual character, whose homosexuality isn't the point of the story? , but they don't quite match because I'm talking about an entire society, one in which the concept of being LGBT no longer exists because everyone, and conversely, no one, qualifies as a gender or sexual minority.



Notes:



  • The exact timeframe is not very important, so we can assume at least the minimum amount of time for such a change to take place has actually elapsed. Considering that Western society's transition to allowing women to wear trousers took approximately 30 years (from organized defiance to minority to normalcy), and that acceptance of homosexuality is proceeding in a similar fashion, we can assume that my future likely takes place sometime in the late 21st century.

  • While there is an obvious parallel to Star Trek lurking somewhere in the question, it is important that I am not writing a Star Trek story, and there are no phasers, Klingons, or replicators around (nor anything similar to them), and, even if I was, the question is medium-based, so the way in which Star Trek has presented some "gender-non-conforming" characters in the background does not really apply to the written medium, where everything must be described in words.

  • A big part of the focus is not falling into either traditional or "LGBT" stereotypes. So, while the story may have "men in dresses", it won't have "Men in Dresses" in the sense that that is their thing. Dresses, in this case, would just be one of many possible clothing options. Some women would be inclined to wearing them, some men would, and some people would just not care for them.

I am asking this question here rather than Worldbuilding.SE because I am asking specifically about the writing process and how to explain this to my readers, not the process of designing a gender-free society.










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    How close is, say, Star Trek to what you're trying to achieve? Are there any other touchpoints that pretty much are or very much are not what you're aiming for?

    – Standback
    9 hours ago






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    @Standback I actually thought of Star Trek, and its idealized future (never fully shown) is actually fairly close to what I want, but I am thinking of the storytelling medium here. Star Trek could just show background characters on-screen that were not following 20th century stereotypes without really saying anything. I can't easily do that in writing because I need to explicitly describe what is happening and what characters see. I am also not writing a Star Trek story, and there are no phasers, Klingons, or replicators around.

    – Robert Columbia
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    I don't believe there's an answer, but there is an example. Go read Ancillary Justice, and if you like it the subsequent novels. That award winning book used a strong POV that couldn't see gender for reasons. It was always there, but it also wasn't the point. Sex comes up & happens but isn't always the point. Studying what it does may give you some vantage in how to succeed.

    – Kirk
    9 hours ago













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My story takes place in a relatively near future setting where gender stereotypes have become a thing of the past. Unlike a recent question on another site, physiological sex-specific traits are still very much present in society, but they no longer have any significant meaning outside of mate selection and some health care contexts. Choices about casual or even committed sexual activity outside of reproduction are subject only to basic rules about protecting children and persons unable to consent. Rules about appropriate clothing, activities, professions, hairstyles, mannerisms, etc. simply no longer exist except as a historical curiosity or the unachievable dream of rare ultra-conservative activists (who either don't actually appear in my story or are a triviality).



How do I portray this in my world without making it a critical part of the plot or theme? That is, I don't want this to be a "men in dresses" story, but rather a story that might happen to have men in dresses at some point because it's the stereotype-free future and whatnot.



My main ideas are:



  • Just describe gender-free life, and hope the reader is not too startled.

  • Provide some sort of narrative introduction to the reader explaining the setting and how gender stereotypes no longer exist. This, however, seems like something I want to avoid, because the story is not about gender.

  • Provide some sort of in-universe contrived dialogue in which this is revealed. For example, a school teacher might give a history lesson in which they explain to their students how there used to be these things called gender stereotypes, etc.

There are a few other questions on this site about how to write in an LGBT character without making an LGBT Story, such as An LGBT main character, but the book isn't about LGBT issues and How to write a homosexual character, whose homosexuality isn't the point of the story? , but they don't quite match because I'm talking about an entire society, one in which the concept of being LGBT no longer exists because everyone, and conversely, no one, qualifies as a gender or sexual minority.



Notes:



  • The exact timeframe is not very important, so we can assume at least the minimum amount of time for such a change to take place has actually elapsed. Considering that Western society's transition to allowing women to wear trousers took approximately 30 years (from organized defiance to minority to normalcy), and that acceptance of homosexuality is proceeding in a similar fashion, we can assume that my future likely takes place sometime in the late 21st century.

  • While there is an obvious parallel to Star Trek lurking somewhere in the question, it is important that I am not writing a Star Trek story, and there are no phasers, Klingons, or replicators around (nor anything similar to them), and, even if I was, the question is medium-based, so the way in which Star Trek has presented some "gender-non-conforming" characters in the background does not really apply to the written medium, where everything must be described in words.

  • A big part of the focus is not falling into either traditional or "LGBT" stereotypes. So, while the story may have "men in dresses", it won't have "Men in Dresses" in the sense that that is their thing. Dresses, in this case, would just be one of many possible clothing options. Some women would be inclined to wearing them, some men would, and some people would just not care for them.

I am asking this question here rather than Worldbuilding.SE because I am asking specifically about the writing process and how to explain this to my readers, not the process of designing a gender-free society.










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My story takes place in a relatively near future setting where gender stereotypes have become a thing of the past. Unlike a recent question on another site, physiological sex-specific traits are still very much present in society, but they no longer have any significant meaning outside of mate selection and some health care contexts. Choices about casual or even committed sexual activity outside of reproduction are subject only to basic rules about protecting children and persons unable to consent. Rules about appropriate clothing, activities, professions, hairstyles, mannerisms, etc. simply no longer exist except as a historical curiosity or the unachievable dream of rare ultra-conservative activists (who either don't actually appear in my story or are a triviality).



How do I portray this in my world without making it a critical part of the plot or theme? That is, I don't want this to be a "men in dresses" story, but rather a story that might happen to have men in dresses at some point because it's the stereotype-free future and whatnot.



My main ideas are:



  • Just describe gender-free life, and hope the reader is not too startled.

  • Provide some sort of narrative introduction to the reader explaining the setting and how gender stereotypes no longer exist. This, however, seems like something I want to avoid, because the story is not about gender.

  • Provide some sort of in-universe contrived dialogue in which this is revealed. For example, a school teacher might give a history lesson in which they explain to their students how there used to be these things called gender stereotypes, etc.

There are a few other questions on this site about how to write in an LGBT character without making an LGBT Story, such as An LGBT main character, but the book isn't about LGBT issues and How to write a homosexual character, whose homosexuality isn't the point of the story? , but they don't quite match because I'm talking about an entire society, one in which the concept of being LGBT no longer exists because everyone, and conversely, no one, qualifies as a gender or sexual minority.



Notes:



  • The exact timeframe is not very important, so we can assume at least the minimum amount of time for such a change to take place has actually elapsed. Considering that Western society's transition to allowing women to wear trousers took approximately 30 years (from organized defiance to minority to normalcy), and that acceptance of homosexuality is proceeding in a similar fashion, we can assume that my future likely takes place sometime in the late 21st century.

  • While there is an obvious parallel to Star Trek lurking somewhere in the question, it is important that I am not writing a Star Trek story, and there are no phasers, Klingons, or replicators around (nor anything similar to them), and, even if I was, the question is medium-based, so the way in which Star Trek has presented some "gender-non-conforming" characters in the background does not really apply to the written medium, where everything must be described in words.

  • A big part of the focus is not falling into either traditional or "LGBT" stereotypes. So, while the story may have "men in dresses", it won't have "Men in Dresses" in the sense that that is their thing. Dresses, in this case, would just be one of many possible clothing options. Some women would be inclined to wearing them, some men would, and some people would just not care for them.

I am asking this question here rather than Worldbuilding.SE because I am asking specifically about the writing process and how to explain this to my readers, not the process of designing a gender-free society.







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    How close is, say, Star Trek to what you're trying to achieve? Are there any other touchpoints that pretty much are or very much are not what you're aiming for?

    – Standback
    9 hours ago






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    @Standback I actually thought of Star Trek, and its idealized future (never fully shown) is actually fairly close to what I want, but I am thinking of the storytelling medium here. Star Trek could just show background characters on-screen that were not following 20th century stereotypes without really saying anything. I can't easily do that in writing because I need to explicitly describe what is happening and what characters see. I am also not writing a Star Trek story, and there are no phasers, Klingons, or replicators around.

    – Robert Columbia
    9 hours ago







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    I don't believe there's an answer, but there is an example. Go read Ancillary Justice, and if you like it the subsequent novels. That award winning book used a strong POV that couldn't see gender for reasons. It was always there, but it also wasn't the point. Sex comes up & happens but isn't always the point. Studying what it does may give you some vantage in how to succeed.

    – Kirk
    9 hours ago












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    How close is, say, Star Trek to what you're trying to achieve? Are there any other touchpoints that pretty much are or very much are not what you're aiming for?

    – Standback
    9 hours ago






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    @Standback I actually thought of Star Trek, and its idealized future (never fully shown) is actually fairly close to what I want, but I am thinking of the storytelling medium here. Star Trek could just show background characters on-screen that were not following 20th century stereotypes without really saying anything. I can't easily do that in writing because I need to explicitly describe what is happening and what characters see. I am also not writing a Star Trek story, and there are no phasers, Klingons, or replicators around.

    – Robert Columbia
    9 hours ago







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    I don't believe there's an answer, but there is an example. Go read Ancillary Justice, and if you like it the subsequent novels. That award winning book used a strong POV that couldn't see gender for reasons. It was always there, but it also wasn't the point. Sex comes up & happens but isn't always the point. Studying what it does may give you some vantage in how to succeed.

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    9 hours ago







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How close is, say, Star Trek to what you're trying to achieve? Are there any other touchpoints that pretty much are or very much are not what you're aiming for?

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How close is, say, Star Trek to what you're trying to achieve? Are there any other touchpoints that pretty much are or very much are not what you're aiming for?

– Standback
9 hours ago




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@Standback I actually thought of Star Trek, and its idealized future (never fully shown) is actually fairly close to what I want, but I am thinking of the storytelling medium here. Star Trek could just show background characters on-screen that were not following 20th century stereotypes without really saying anything. I can't easily do that in writing because I need to explicitly describe what is happening and what characters see. I am also not writing a Star Trek story, and there are no phasers, Klingons, or replicators around.

– Robert Columbia
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@Standback I actually thought of Star Trek, and its idealized future (never fully shown) is actually fairly close to what I want, but I am thinking of the storytelling medium here. Star Trek could just show background characters on-screen that were not following 20th century stereotypes without really saying anything. I can't easily do that in writing because I need to explicitly describe what is happening and what characters see. I am also not writing a Star Trek story, and there are no phasers, Klingons, or replicators around.

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I don't believe there's an answer, but there is an example. Go read Ancillary Justice, and if you like it the subsequent novels. That award winning book used a strong POV that couldn't see gender for reasons. It was always there, but it also wasn't the point. Sex comes up & happens but isn't always the point. Studying what it does may give you some vantage in how to succeed.

– Kirk
9 hours ago





I don't believe there's an answer, but there is an example. Go read Ancillary Justice, and if you like it the subsequent novels. That award winning book used a strong POV that couldn't see gender for reasons. It was always there, but it also wasn't the point. Sex comes up & happens but isn't always the point. Studying what it does may give you some vantage in how to succeed.

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My suggestion is to casually alude to it. I'm taking up the 'men is dress' example you mentioned. If you have characters going shopping for clothes, you can have both men and women casually commenting on a particularly nice skirt.




"That red skirt would look great on you, Jason," Anne said excitedly. "It would be perfect for Kate's birthday party."



"Uh... I think it's a bit too short. I don't really like showing off my knees. They're so bony."



"That's nonsense! You've got great knees."



"Excuse me," the shop assistant came up. "Could I help you with anything?"



"Have you got a longer model of this red skirt?"



"Actually, we do!" She smiled. "It is very popular with both our male and female clients, so we've just received a new batch to replenish our stock. What's you size, sir?"




Or, perhaps you could just have a bunch of friends preparing a hunting outing.




"Hey, Jack, are you taking the camo face paint?"



"Uh... you may want to bring something yourself. I'm not sure I've got enough for both of us. But my wife got me this camo nail varnish that is great! I can let you borrow that one."




As for traditional male-female roles...




Jack rocked his six-month-old to sleep and sighed. Finally! Then he leaned over the crib and just gazed at his precious little boy. Oh, well, better get started on the laundry! Sometimes he just didn't understand how men in the past wouldn't want to stay at home and raise their children, at least in the first years, before they went to school. It felt so unnatural! Sure, it was tough having to put the career on hold, but... damn, wasn't it worth it? He picked up the phone and sent his wife a photo of the sleeping child. She missed him terribly, obviously, but someone had to keep on getting the bread on the table and her job having a higher salary, it had been a no-brainer. After loading the washing machine, he called his friend Pete. His girl was now eight months old and Jack figured it was high-time they organised a play-date for the two kids. Maybe next Thursday morning. Pete already had two kids, so he had more experience and it would be nice to have someone to talk to. Maybe they could have his sister pop in with her twins and have lunch outside. The weather was good enough for it.





In these short, a bit on the nose examples, it seems a bit heavy handed with the guys being the ones who apparently are doing 'feminine' stuff, but it's a matter of balancing it better in a longer text. The lunch-play-date can join stay-at-home mums and dads that talk naturally about their old careers, or when they're thinking of going back...



The key is to make it sound natural.






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    Men do wear skirts: kilts, sarongs, hakamas, fustanellas... If your world is culturally diverse, any and all of those might have become common enough. In sci-fi stories in particular, new fashions is something we take in our stride.



    But skirts are not really the focus of your question, they're just an aspect, an example. For the broader question, to write a gender-free world, I would just write a gender-free world. There's nothing weird or startling about it: it just means that one treats every person as a person, regardless of gender, and that gender doesn't enter into one's decision-making process (a.k.a you don't hear "boys shouldn't do X" and one doesn't think "I should do Y because I'm a girl").



    In fact, I would suggest you look around the world - some of us already live in far less gendered societies than others. You can start with those, and then take your world the rest of the way. (By 'societies' I do not necessarily mean countries as a whole. That's part of it, but living in a big city vs. small town, economic status etc. also have an effect.) As an example, the first time my gender entered into my decision-making process was when I decided against an academic career, because I'd have had to do a post-doc in either Europe or America, and I was afraid to be a Jew in Europe and a woman in America. Until then - school, military service, academy, hobbies - I thought of myself as a person, not a 'woman'. As far as gender was concerned, there were 'sexy single guys potentially interested in me' and 'everybody else'. Two distinct genders. :)






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      +1 for all that you said!

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    Show something else that is more interesting



    If you don't want to have reader's attention fixated on one aspect of your story, make sure that other aspects of it are more intriguing. You need to make sure that your worldbuilding and storybuilding are done right. Any confusion that the reader might have about the "unimportant" aspect of the story should be getting a quick and satisfying explanation, so the fact that some men are wearing dresses would not become a disturbing thought. Generally, the reader should accept this aspect as an ordinary feature of your world that does not require any bit of extra attention. This should become a backdrop for the real story to take place.



    A somewhat similar problem (in visual media) is "How to show a well-endowed girl without her stealing all the attention?" In single picture, it is indeed very hard to solve. But if there is a whole story to tell, Anime and Manga are dealing with this problem just fine - at some point, audience just stops registering how unnatural the characters may look and pays proper attention to the story.






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      Treat it as if it were normal



      Where I live slavery is not considered normal. The notion that my neighbour had a slave in their house would probably end up on national news and cause public stir. On the other hand, the same people that would be appalled by such event have no issues with watching TV shows where slavery is clearly a pillar of the fictional world. They accept it, and it does not look like it is jarring. Actually, in some recent episode, there happened a slave rebellion, and that caused a stir.



      When you write you have full control over your world. Moreover, you have full control on how you describe it, and how your characters move in it. If a certain element of our world does not exist in your fictional world, then write accordingly. There is no need to mention that it is a difference: as long as your characters behave coherently with your assumptions, the reader will understand.



      For instance, medieval fantasy fiction does not need to begin with "It is the Middle Age, there are no cars, there is no electricity, and people have low hygienic standards". Quite the contrary, it begins by telling the story, and continues, coherently with its setting. A good story does not need any additional explanation.



      Removing gender stereotypes



      How to convey the concept?



      First, you need to clarify to yourself what you consider it to be a gender stereotype. Then you need to identify what makes up the discrimination, and attribute these items to all the genders, so that no gender can be identified by having it. For instance:



      • Are names an expression of gender stereotypes? If so, consider calling your characters with numbers, or with sequences of letters that can hardly be associated with a specific gender, e.g. OneFive, or Monon, or simply H.


      • Is clothing an expression of gender stereotypes? Consider using the exact same descriptions for every one: "the fabric covered the hips with a gentle shade of purple" and later "the purple fabric was wrapped around the arms", and so forth. make sure that the clothing shapes are consistent, but they can't be easily compared to our way of clothing


      • Is there a division of labor?


      • Is childbearing and childcaring a gender stereotype? Randomize or make it a shared effort. "They had been expecting their first child with increasing joy. It had soon become big enough that they could no longer sleep on their backs, nor go up the six flights of stairs without halting halfway to catch a breath. Yet, the thought of what was to come made them ecstatic."


      • Is appearance a stereotype? Give a variety of looks to all genders, so that no look belongs predominantly to one gender alone. You don't need to mention this fact, the variety will make the reader unable to associate a look with a particular gender. Let thick moustaches grow rampant, bald heads everywhere, and make tresses the fashion item of the season.






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        Perhaps open with a character with a gender-ambiguous name, and never refer to this character as he or her. Or maybe two such characters.



        I think if done well, the gender-neutral interactions between a Syd and a Pat could be mind-trippy and set up your story frame nicely.



        EDIT: A short example of what I have in mind:




        "Hey, you ready?" Pat finished wrapping the sandwiches and snapped the
        lid on the cooler.



        "One more minute," Syd called from the bathroom.



        "Vanity, thy name is--"



        "Oh you're one to talk."



        Pat chuckled. Syd was right, either one of them both bought enough
        product to keep the local drug store in business.



        Syd stepped out. "Does this outfit work?"



        Pat laughed."Avery will be yours. Mark my words, friend, after the
        picnic, you will not be going home alone."




        To my mind, this sort of approach communicates that you are playing with gender rules and that the reader should enter the story accordingly.






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        • This is an interesting idea, but it seems to be portraying such characters as unusual in some way. What I'm trying to do is portray a baseline normalcy, so perhaps we see Bill the insurance agent put on his favorite pink skirt and heels to meet with a potential client while phoning his boyfriend to get ready for the weekend deer hunt.

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        I don't want to answer the question you've asked because I think it's too loaded. If the point is not to be didactic or write an allegory, I think what you're actually asking is.



        How do I present a world with radical social norm differences than my own?



        And the answer is that you just present it as your characters would interact with it. If it's not the point, then do not make it the point. It's possible its a darling and one you do not wish actually write about (and you'll know this because it will get in the way of whatever narrative you actually want to tell); but if its not in the way than its the typical window-dressing that setting and theme write.



        Let's ask the reverse, of your question which is still a derivative of the one I pose above.



        How do I present an older version of the world that accepted radical social norms that are not at all acceptable today?



        The reality of this isn't that much different. You pick a point of view character. They have to interact in a world where the social norms (say slavery) are what they are. And that changes who has power and who doesn't. That changes who has expectations and who doesn't. It warps the conflict a bit and changes what the character is allowed to do as society sees them.



        But, there's another layer. You can write faithfully for the time period and end up with a truly abhorrent character. Sometimes in these situations you have a character who is the window through which your reader identifies. The person who doesn't quite get it or has opinions, but is outside of the normal social structure. Maybe you get to see their inner monologue where they hate slavery, but outwardly they can't say that for reasons. And through that our modern sensibilities are satisfied.



        But, there's not really a how other than being faithful to the rules an not violating them. And not making any rules that break the fourth wall or lose your reader.



        Back to your question...



        How do you do this for gender neutral society? No idea, I can't even really envision one. I'm not sure such a society is practical. But writers have written about utopias, so even if you're in the realm of fiction its possible. You do have to start with world building, so hey do that. And then you just follow the normal rules of fiction writing. Don't break the fourth wall. Keep your eye on the conflict. Build tension. Stick to your POV. Make sure your characters are doing interesting things.



        There is no "How To Write a Book" though... never will be. There are ways to write books like books that have existed. But, those are literature studies and acts of replication. Not sure that's what you're asking for.



        Was there a point in all of this?



        Yes, if the society being gender neutral is not the point and you talk about men in skirts don't be surprised if your reader thinks that actually is the point. Where you dwell, your reader will grant importance. So, if its not the point, do not dwell and go quickly past whatever it happens to be. This is not a special story when considering how to write a compelling story. It's another story. Maybe its more complicated because its more likely to trip up a modern audience. It may be hard to write such a book and have the point be something else.






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          Present a world like that of the Culture series, where radical transhumanism is the norm, and everyone can swap their gender or sexuality to be whatever they want it to be trivially easily. As a result, discrimination based on gender or sexuality no longer exists, since whenever there were inequalities between the genders, people just tended to switch to whichever gender was socially advantaged until things swung back the other way.






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            My suggestion is to casually alude to it. I'm taking up the 'men is dress' example you mentioned. If you have characters going shopping for clothes, you can have both men and women casually commenting on a particularly nice skirt.




            "That red skirt would look great on you, Jason," Anne said excitedly. "It would be perfect for Kate's birthday party."



            "Uh... I think it's a bit too short. I don't really like showing off my knees. They're so bony."



            "That's nonsense! You've got great knees."



            "Excuse me," the shop assistant came up. "Could I help you with anything?"



            "Have you got a longer model of this red skirt?"



            "Actually, we do!" She smiled. "It is very popular with both our male and female clients, so we've just received a new batch to replenish our stock. What's you size, sir?"




            Or, perhaps you could just have a bunch of friends preparing a hunting outing.




            "Hey, Jack, are you taking the camo face paint?"



            "Uh... you may want to bring something yourself. I'm not sure I've got enough for both of us. But my wife got me this camo nail varnish that is great! I can let you borrow that one."




            As for traditional male-female roles...




            Jack rocked his six-month-old to sleep and sighed. Finally! Then he leaned over the crib and just gazed at his precious little boy. Oh, well, better get started on the laundry! Sometimes he just didn't understand how men in the past wouldn't want to stay at home and raise their children, at least in the first years, before they went to school. It felt so unnatural! Sure, it was tough having to put the career on hold, but... damn, wasn't it worth it? He picked up the phone and sent his wife a photo of the sleeping child. She missed him terribly, obviously, but someone had to keep on getting the bread on the table and her job having a higher salary, it had been a no-brainer. After loading the washing machine, he called his friend Pete. His girl was now eight months old and Jack figured it was high-time they organised a play-date for the two kids. Maybe next Thursday morning. Pete already had two kids, so he had more experience and it would be nice to have someone to talk to. Maybe they could have his sister pop in with her twins and have lunch outside. The weather was good enough for it.





            In these short, a bit on the nose examples, it seems a bit heavy handed with the guys being the ones who apparently are doing 'feminine' stuff, but it's a matter of balancing it better in a longer text. The lunch-play-date can join stay-at-home mums and dads that talk naturally about their old careers, or when they're thinking of going back...



            The key is to make it sound natural.






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              My suggestion is to casually alude to it. I'm taking up the 'men is dress' example you mentioned. If you have characters going shopping for clothes, you can have both men and women casually commenting on a particularly nice skirt.




              "That red skirt would look great on you, Jason," Anne said excitedly. "It would be perfect for Kate's birthday party."



              "Uh... I think it's a bit too short. I don't really like showing off my knees. They're so bony."



              "That's nonsense! You've got great knees."



              "Excuse me," the shop assistant came up. "Could I help you with anything?"



              "Have you got a longer model of this red skirt?"



              "Actually, we do!" She smiled. "It is very popular with both our male and female clients, so we've just received a new batch to replenish our stock. What's you size, sir?"




              Or, perhaps you could just have a bunch of friends preparing a hunting outing.




              "Hey, Jack, are you taking the camo face paint?"



              "Uh... you may want to bring something yourself. I'm not sure I've got enough for both of us. But my wife got me this camo nail varnish that is great! I can let you borrow that one."




              As for traditional male-female roles...




              Jack rocked his six-month-old to sleep and sighed. Finally! Then he leaned over the crib and just gazed at his precious little boy. Oh, well, better get started on the laundry! Sometimes he just didn't understand how men in the past wouldn't want to stay at home and raise their children, at least in the first years, before they went to school. It felt so unnatural! Sure, it was tough having to put the career on hold, but... damn, wasn't it worth it? He picked up the phone and sent his wife a photo of the sleeping child. She missed him terribly, obviously, but someone had to keep on getting the bread on the table and her job having a higher salary, it had been a no-brainer. After loading the washing machine, he called his friend Pete. His girl was now eight months old and Jack figured it was high-time they organised a play-date for the two kids. Maybe next Thursday morning. Pete already had two kids, so he had more experience and it would be nice to have someone to talk to. Maybe they could have his sister pop in with her twins and have lunch outside. The weather was good enough for it.





              In these short, a bit on the nose examples, it seems a bit heavy handed with the guys being the ones who apparently are doing 'feminine' stuff, but it's a matter of balancing it better in a longer text. The lunch-play-date can join stay-at-home mums and dads that talk naturally about their old careers, or when they're thinking of going back...



              The key is to make it sound natural.






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                My suggestion is to casually alude to it. I'm taking up the 'men is dress' example you mentioned. If you have characters going shopping for clothes, you can have both men and women casually commenting on a particularly nice skirt.




                "That red skirt would look great on you, Jason," Anne said excitedly. "It would be perfect for Kate's birthday party."



                "Uh... I think it's a bit too short. I don't really like showing off my knees. They're so bony."



                "That's nonsense! You've got great knees."



                "Excuse me," the shop assistant came up. "Could I help you with anything?"



                "Have you got a longer model of this red skirt?"



                "Actually, we do!" She smiled. "It is very popular with both our male and female clients, so we've just received a new batch to replenish our stock. What's you size, sir?"




                Or, perhaps you could just have a bunch of friends preparing a hunting outing.




                "Hey, Jack, are you taking the camo face paint?"



                "Uh... you may want to bring something yourself. I'm not sure I've got enough for both of us. But my wife got me this camo nail varnish that is great! I can let you borrow that one."




                As for traditional male-female roles...




                Jack rocked his six-month-old to sleep and sighed. Finally! Then he leaned over the crib and just gazed at his precious little boy. Oh, well, better get started on the laundry! Sometimes he just didn't understand how men in the past wouldn't want to stay at home and raise their children, at least in the first years, before they went to school. It felt so unnatural! Sure, it was tough having to put the career on hold, but... damn, wasn't it worth it? He picked up the phone and sent his wife a photo of the sleeping child. She missed him terribly, obviously, but someone had to keep on getting the bread on the table and her job having a higher salary, it had been a no-brainer. After loading the washing machine, he called his friend Pete. His girl was now eight months old and Jack figured it was high-time they organised a play-date for the two kids. Maybe next Thursday morning. Pete already had two kids, so he had more experience and it would be nice to have someone to talk to. Maybe they could have his sister pop in with her twins and have lunch outside. The weather was good enough for it.





                In these short, a bit on the nose examples, it seems a bit heavy handed with the guys being the ones who apparently are doing 'feminine' stuff, but it's a matter of balancing it better in a longer text. The lunch-play-date can join stay-at-home mums and dads that talk naturally about their old careers, or when they're thinking of going back...



                The key is to make it sound natural.






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                My suggestion is to casually alude to it. I'm taking up the 'men is dress' example you mentioned. If you have characters going shopping for clothes, you can have both men and women casually commenting on a particularly nice skirt.




                "That red skirt would look great on you, Jason," Anne said excitedly. "It would be perfect for Kate's birthday party."



                "Uh... I think it's a bit too short. I don't really like showing off my knees. They're so bony."



                "That's nonsense! You've got great knees."



                "Excuse me," the shop assistant came up. "Could I help you with anything?"



                "Have you got a longer model of this red skirt?"



                "Actually, we do!" She smiled. "It is very popular with both our male and female clients, so we've just received a new batch to replenish our stock. What's you size, sir?"




                Or, perhaps you could just have a bunch of friends preparing a hunting outing.




                "Hey, Jack, are you taking the camo face paint?"



                "Uh... you may want to bring something yourself. I'm not sure I've got enough for both of us. But my wife got me this camo nail varnish that is great! I can let you borrow that one."




                As for traditional male-female roles...




                Jack rocked his six-month-old to sleep and sighed. Finally! Then he leaned over the crib and just gazed at his precious little boy. Oh, well, better get started on the laundry! Sometimes he just didn't understand how men in the past wouldn't want to stay at home and raise their children, at least in the first years, before they went to school. It felt so unnatural! Sure, it was tough having to put the career on hold, but... damn, wasn't it worth it? He picked up the phone and sent his wife a photo of the sleeping child. She missed him terribly, obviously, but someone had to keep on getting the bread on the table and her job having a higher salary, it had been a no-brainer. After loading the washing machine, he called his friend Pete. His girl was now eight months old and Jack figured it was high-time they organised a play-date for the two kids. Maybe next Thursday morning. Pete already had two kids, so he had more experience and it would be nice to have someone to talk to. Maybe they could have his sister pop in with her twins and have lunch outside. The weather was good enough for it.





                In these short, a bit on the nose examples, it seems a bit heavy handed with the guys being the ones who apparently are doing 'feminine' stuff, but it's a matter of balancing it better in a longer text. The lunch-play-date can join stay-at-home mums and dads that talk naturally about their old careers, or when they're thinking of going back...



                The key is to make it sound natural.







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                    Men do wear skirts: kilts, sarongs, hakamas, fustanellas... If your world is culturally diverse, any and all of those might have become common enough. In sci-fi stories in particular, new fashions is something we take in our stride.



                    But skirts are not really the focus of your question, they're just an aspect, an example. For the broader question, to write a gender-free world, I would just write a gender-free world. There's nothing weird or startling about it: it just means that one treats every person as a person, regardless of gender, and that gender doesn't enter into one's decision-making process (a.k.a you don't hear "boys shouldn't do X" and one doesn't think "I should do Y because I'm a girl").



                    In fact, I would suggest you look around the world - some of us already live in far less gendered societies than others. You can start with those, and then take your world the rest of the way. (By 'societies' I do not necessarily mean countries as a whole. That's part of it, but living in a big city vs. small town, economic status etc. also have an effect.) As an example, the first time my gender entered into my decision-making process was when I decided against an academic career, because I'd have had to do a post-doc in either Europe or America, and I was afraid to be a Jew in Europe and a woman in America. Until then - school, military service, academy, hobbies - I thought of myself as a person, not a 'woman'. As far as gender was concerned, there were 'sexy single guys potentially interested in me' and 'everybody else'. Two distinct genders. :)






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                    Men do wear skirts: kilts, sarongs, hakamas, fustanellas... If your world is culturally diverse, any and all of those might have become common enough. In sci-fi stories in particular, new fashions is something we take in our stride.



                    But skirts are not really the focus of your question, they're just an aspect, an example. For the broader question, to write a gender-free world, I would just write a gender-free world. There's nothing weird or startling about it: it just means that one treats every person as a person, regardless of gender, and that gender doesn't enter into one's decision-making process (a.k.a you don't hear "boys shouldn't do X" and one doesn't think "I should do Y because I'm a girl").



                    In fact, I would suggest you look around the world - some of us already live in far less gendered societies than others. You can start with those, and then take your world the rest of the way. (By 'societies' I do not necessarily mean countries as a whole. That's part of it, but living in a big city vs. small town, economic status etc. also have an effect.) As an example, the first time my gender entered into my decision-making process was when I decided against an academic career, because I'd have had to do a post-doc in either Europe or America, and I was afraid to be a Jew in Europe and a woman in America. Until then - school, military service, academy, hobbies - I thought of myself as a person, not a 'woman'. As far as gender was concerned, there were 'sexy single guys potentially interested in me' and 'everybody else'. Two distinct genders. :)






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                    Men do wear skirts: kilts, sarongs, hakamas, fustanellas... If your world is culturally diverse, any and all of those might have become common enough. In sci-fi stories in particular, new fashions is something we take in our stride.



                    But skirts are not really the focus of your question, they're just an aspect, an example. For the broader question, to write a gender-free world, I would just write a gender-free world. There's nothing weird or startling about it: it just means that one treats every person as a person, regardless of gender, and that gender doesn't enter into one's decision-making process (a.k.a you don't hear "boys shouldn't do X" and one doesn't think "I should do Y because I'm a girl").



                    In fact, I would suggest you look around the world - some of us already live in far less gendered societies than others. You can start with those, and then take your world the rest of the way. (By 'societies' I do not necessarily mean countries as a whole. That's part of it, but living in a big city vs. small town, economic status etc. also have an effect.) As an example, the first time my gender entered into my decision-making process was when I decided against an academic career, because I'd have had to do a post-doc in either Europe or America, and I was afraid to be a Jew in Europe and a woman in America. Until then - school, military service, academy, hobbies - I thought of myself as a person, not a 'woman'. As far as gender was concerned, there were 'sexy single guys potentially interested in me' and 'everybody else'. Two distinct genders. :)






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                    Men do wear skirts: kilts, sarongs, hakamas, fustanellas... If your world is culturally diverse, any and all of those might have become common enough. In sci-fi stories in particular, new fashions is something we take in our stride.



                    But skirts are not really the focus of your question, they're just an aspect, an example. For the broader question, to write a gender-free world, I would just write a gender-free world. There's nothing weird or startling about it: it just means that one treats every person as a person, regardless of gender, and that gender doesn't enter into one's decision-making process (a.k.a you don't hear "boys shouldn't do X" and one doesn't think "I should do Y because I'm a girl").



                    In fact, I would suggest you look around the world - some of us already live in far less gendered societies than others. You can start with those, and then take your world the rest of the way. (By 'societies' I do not necessarily mean countries as a whole. That's part of it, but living in a big city vs. small town, economic status etc. also have an effect.) As an example, the first time my gender entered into my decision-making process was when I decided against an academic career, because I'd have had to do a post-doc in either Europe or America, and I was afraid to be a Jew in Europe and a woman in America. Until then - school, military service, academy, hobbies - I thought of myself as a person, not a 'woman'. As far as gender was concerned, there were 'sexy single guys potentially interested in me' and 'everybody else'. Two distinct genders. :)







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                    Show something else that is more interesting



                    If you don't want to have reader's attention fixated on one aspect of your story, make sure that other aspects of it are more intriguing. You need to make sure that your worldbuilding and storybuilding are done right. Any confusion that the reader might have about the "unimportant" aspect of the story should be getting a quick and satisfying explanation, so the fact that some men are wearing dresses would not become a disturbing thought. Generally, the reader should accept this aspect as an ordinary feature of your world that does not require any bit of extra attention. This should become a backdrop for the real story to take place.



                    A somewhat similar problem (in visual media) is "How to show a well-endowed girl without her stealing all the attention?" In single picture, it is indeed very hard to solve. But if there is a whole story to tell, Anime and Manga are dealing with this problem just fine - at some point, audience just stops registering how unnatural the characters may look and pays proper attention to the story.






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                      Show something else that is more interesting



                      If you don't want to have reader's attention fixated on one aspect of your story, make sure that other aspects of it are more intriguing. You need to make sure that your worldbuilding and storybuilding are done right. Any confusion that the reader might have about the "unimportant" aspect of the story should be getting a quick and satisfying explanation, so the fact that some men are wearing dresses would not become a disturbing thought. Generally, the reader should accept this aspect as an ordinary feature of your world that does not require any bit of extra attention. This should become a backdrop for the real story to take place.



                      A somewhat similar problem (in visual media) is "How to show a well-endowed girl without her stealing all the attention?" In single picture, it is indeed very hard to solve. But if there is a whole story to tell, Anime and Manga are dealing with this problem just fine - at some point, audience just stops registering how unnatural the characters may look and pays proper attention to the story.






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                        Show something else that is more interesting



                        If you don't want to have reader's attention fixated on one aspect of your story, make sure that other aspects of it are more intriguing. You need to make sure that your worldbuilding and storybuilding are done right. Any confusion that the reader might have about the "unimportant" aspect of the story should be getting a quick and satisfying explanation, so the fact that some men are wearing dresses would not become a disturbing thought. Generally, the reader should accept this aspect as an ordinary feature of your world that does not require any bit of extra attention. This should become a backdrop for the real story to take place.



                        A somewhat similar problem (in visual media) is "How to show a well-endowed girl without her stealing all the attention?" In single picture, it is indeed very hard to solve. But if there is a whole story to tell, Anime and Manga are dealing with this problem just fine - at some point, audience just stops registering how unnatural the characters may look and pays proper attention to the story.






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                        Show something else that is more interesting



                        If you don't want to have reader's attention fixated on one aspect of your story, make sure that other aspects of it are more intriguing. You need to make sure that your worldbuilding and storybuilding are done right. Any confusion that the reader might have about the "unimportant" aspect of the story should be getting a quick and satisfying explanation, so the fact that some men are wearing dresses would not become a disturbing thought. Generally, the reader should accept this aspect as an ordinary feature of your world that does not require any bit of extra attention. This should become a backdrop for the real story to take place.



                        A somewhat similar problem (in visual media) is "How to show a well-endowed girl without her stealing all the attention?" In single picture, it is indeed very hard to solve. But if there is a whole story to tell, Anime and Manga are dealing with this problem just fine - at some point, audience just stops registering how unnatural the characters may look and pays proper attention to the story.







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                            Treat it as if it were normal



                            Where I live slavery is not considered normal. The notion that my neighbour had a slave in their house would probably end up on national news and cause public stir. On the other hand, the same people that would be appalled by such event have no issues with watching TV shows where slavery is clearly a pillar of the fictional world. They accept it, and it does not look like it is jarring. Actually, in some recent episode, there happened a slave rebellion, and that caused a stir.



                            When you write you have full control over your world. Moreover, you have full control on how you describe it, and how your characters move in it. If a certain element of our world does not exist in your fictional world, then write accordingly. There is no need to mention that it is a difference: as long as your characters behave coherently with your assumptions, the reader will understand.



                            For instance, medieval fantasy fiction does not need to begin with "It is the Middle Age, there are no cars, there is no electricity, and people have low hygienic standards". Quite the contrary, it begins by telling the story, and continues, coherently with its setting. A good story does not need any additional explanation.



                            Removing gender stereotypes



                            How to convey the concept?



                            First, you need to clarify to yourself what you consider it to be a gender stereotype. Then you need to identify what makes up the discrimination, and attribute these items to all the genders, so that no gender can be identified by having it. For instance:



                            • Are names an expression of gender stereotypes? If so, consider calling your characters with numbers, or with sequences of letters that can hardly be associated with a specific gender, e.g. OneFive, or Monon, or simply H.


                            • Is clothing an expression of gender stereotypes? Consider using the exact same descriptions for every one: "the fabric covered the hips with a gentle shade of purple" and later "the purple fabric was wrapped around the arms", and so forth. make sure that the clothing shapes are consistent, but they can't be easily compared to our way of clothing


                            • Is there a division of labor?


                            • Is childbearing and childcaring a gender stereotype? Randomize or make it a shared effort. "They had been expecting their first child with increasing joy. It had soon become big enough that they could no longer sleep on their backs, nor go up the six flights of stairs without halting halfway to catch a breath. Yet, the thought of what was to come made them ecstatic."


                            • Is appearance a stereotype? Give a variety of looks to all genders, so that no look belongs predominantly to one gender alone. You don't need to mention this fact, the variety will make the reader unable to associate a look with a particular gender. Let thick moustaches grow rampant, bald heads everywhere, and make tresses the fashion item of the season.






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                              Treat it as if it were normal



                              Where I live slavery is not considered normal. The notion that my neighbour had a slave in their house would probably end up on national news and cause public stir. On the other hand, the same people that would be appalled by such event have no issues with watching TV shows where slavery is clearly a pillar of the fictional world. They accept it, and it does not look like it is jarring. Actually, in some recent episode, there happened a slave rebellion, and that caused a stir.



                              When you write you have full control over your world. Moreover, you have full control on how you describe it, and how your characters move in it. If a certain element of our world does not exist in your fictional world, then write accordingly. There is no need to mention that it is a difference: as long as your characters behave coherently with your assumptions, the reader will understand.



                              For instance, medieval fantasy fiction does not need to begin with "It is the Middle Age, there are no cars, there is no electricity, and people have low hygienic standards". Quite the contrary, it begins by telling the story, and continues, coherently with its setting. A good story does not need any additional explanation.



                              Removing gender stereotypes



                              How to convey the concept?



                              First, you need to clarify to yourself what you consider it to be a gender stereotype. Then you need to identify what makes up the discrimination, and attribute these items to all the genders, so that no gender can be identified by having it. For instance:



                              • Are names an expression of gender stereotypes? If so, consider calling your characters with numbers, or with sequences of letters that can hardly be associated with a specific gender, e.g. OneFive, or Monon, or simply H.


                              • Is clothing an expression of gender stereotypes? Consider using the exact same descriptions for every one: "the fabric covered the hips with a gentle shade of purple" and later "the purple fabric was wrapped around the arms", and so forth. make sure that the clothing shapes are consistent, but they can't be easily compared to our way of clothing


                              • Is there a division of labor?


                              • Is childbearing and childcaring a gender stereotype? Randomize or make it a shared effort. "They had been expecting their first child with increasing joy. It had soon become big enough that they could no longer sleep on their backs, nor go up the six flights of stairs without halting halfway to catch a breath. Yet, the thought of what was to come made them ecstatic."


                              • Is appearance a stereotype? Give a variety of looks to all genders, so that no look belongs predominantly to one gender alone. You don't need to mention this fact, the variety will make the reader unable to associate a look with a particular gender. Let thick moustaches grow rampant, bald heads everywhere, and make tresses the fashion item of the season.






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                                Where I live slavery is not considered normal. The notion that my neighbour had a slave in their house would probably end up on national news and cause public stir. On the other hand, the same people that would be appalled by such event have no issues with watching TV shows where slavery is clearly a pillar of the fictional world. They accept it, and it does not look like it is jarring. Actually, in some recent episode, there happened a slave rebellion, and that caused a stir.



                                When you write you have full control over your world. Moreover, you have full control on how you describe it, and how your characters move in it. If a certain element of our world does not exist in your fictional world, then write accordingly. There is no need to mention that it is a difference: as long as your characters behave coherently with your assumptions, the reader will understand.



                                For instance, medieval fantasy fiction does not need to begin with "It is the Middle Age, there are no cars, there is no electricity, and people have low hygienic standards". Quite the contrary, it begins by telling the story, and continues, coherently with its setting. A good story does not need any additional explanation.



                                Removing gender stereotypes



                                How to convey the concept?



                                First, you need to clarify to yourself what you consider it to be a gender stereotype. Then you need to identify what makes up the discrimination, and attribute these items to all the genders, so that no gender can be identified by having it. For instance:



                                • Are names an expression of gender stereotypes? If so, consider calling your characters with numbers, or with sequences of letters that can hardly be associated with a specific gender, e.g. OneFive, or Monon, or simply H.


                                • Is clothing an expression of gender stereotypes? Consider using the exact same descriptions for every one: "the fabric covered the hips with a gentle shade of purple" and later "the purple fabric was wrapped around the arms", and so forth. make sure that the clothing shapes are consistent, but they can't be easily compared to our way of clothing


                                • Is there a division of labor?


                                • Is childbearing and childcaring a gender stereotype? Randomize or make it a shared effort. "They had been expecting their first child with increasing joy. It had soon become big enough that they could no longer sleep on their backs, nor go up the six flights of stairs without halting halfway to catch a breath. Yet, the thought of what was to come made them ecstatic."


                                • Is appearance a stereotype? Give a variety of looks to all genders, so that no look belongs predominantly to one gender alone. You don't need to mention this fact, the variety will make the reader unable to associate a look with a particular gender. Let thick moustaches grow rampant, bald heads everywhere, and make tresses the fashion item of the season.






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                                Treat it as if it were normal



                                Where I live slavery is not considered normal. The notion that my neighbour had a slave in their house would probably end up on national news and cause public stir. On the other hand, the same people that would be appalled by such event have no issues with watching TV shows where slavery is clearly a pillar of the fictional world. They accept it, and it does not look like it is jarring. Actually, in some recent episode, there happened a slave rebellion, and that caused a stir.



                                When you write you have full control over your world. Moreover, you have full control on how you describe it, and how your characters move in it. If a certain element of our world does not exist in your fictional world, then write accordingly. There is no need to mention that it is a difference: as long as your characters behave coherently with your assumptions, the reader will understand.



                                For instance, medieval fantasy fiction does not need to begin with "It is the Middle Age, there are no cars, there is no electricity, and people have low hygienic standards". Quite the contrary, it begins by telling the story, and continues, coherently with its setting. A good story does not need any additional explanation.



                                Removing gender stereotypes



                                How to convey the concept?



                                First, you need to clarify to yourself what you consider it to be a gender stereotype. Then you need to identify what makes up the discrimination, and attribute these items to all the genders, so that no gender can be identified by having it. For instance:



                                • Are names an expression of gender stereotypes? If so, consider calling your characters with numbers, or with sequences of letters that can hardly be associated with a specific gender, e.g. OneFive, or Monon, or simply H.


                                • Is clothing an expression of gender stereotypes? Consider using the exact same descriptions for every one: "the fabric covered the hips with a gentle shade of purple" and later "the purple fabric was wrapped around the arms", and so forth. make sure that the clothing shapes are consistent, but they can't be easily compared to our way of clothing


                                • Is there a division of labor?


                                • Is childbearing and childcaring a gender stereotype? Randomize or make it a shared effort. "They had been expecting their first child with increasing joy. It had soon become big enough that they could no longer sleep on their backs, nor go up the six flights of stairs without halting halfway to catch a breath. Yet, the thought of what was to come made them ecstatic."


                                • Is appearance a stereotype? Give a variety of looks to all genders, so that no look belongs predominantly to one gender alone. You don't need to mention this fact, the variety will make the reader unable to associate a look with a particular gender. Let thick moustaches grow rampant, bald heads everywhere, and make tresses the fashion item of the season.







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                                    Perhaps open with a character with a gender-ambiguous name, and never refer to this character as he or her. Or maybe two such characters.



                                    I think if done well, the gender-neutral interactions between a Syd and a Pat could be mind-trippy and set up your story frame nicely.



                                    EDIT: A short example of what I have in mind:




                                    "Hey, you ready?" Pat finished wrapping the sandwiches and snapped the
                                    lid on the cooler.



                                    "One more minute," Syd called from the bathroom.



                                    "Vanity, thy name is--"



                                    "Oh you're one to talk."



                                    Pat chuckled. Syd was right, either one of them both bought enough
                                    product to keep the local drug store in business.



                                    Syd stepped out. "Does this outfit work?"



                                    Pat laughed."Avery will be yours. Mark my words, friend, after the
                                    picnic, you will not be going home alone."




                                    To my mind, this sort of approach communicates that you are playing with gender rules and that the reader should enter the story accordingly.






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                                    • This is an interesting idea, but it seems to be portraying such characters as unusual in some way. What I'm trying to do is portray a baseline normalcy, so perhaps we see Bill the insurance agent put on his favorite pink skirt and heels to meet with a potential client while phoning his boyfriend to get ready for the weekend deer hunt.

                                      – Robert Columbia
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                                    • But I think it can be done in a normal way. I think you don't need much, to make the reader get on board with your world building element. Your story telling.

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                                    Perhaps open with a character with a gender-ambiguous name, and never refer to this character as he or her. Or maybe two such characters.



                                    I think if done well, the gender-neutral interactions between a Syd and a Pat could be mind-trippy and set up your story frame nicely.



                                    EDIT: A short example of what I have in mind:




                                    "Hey, you ready?" Pat finished wrapping the sandwiches and snapped the
                                    lid on the cooler.



                                    "One more minute," Syd called from the bathroom.



                                    "Vanity, thy name is--"



                                    "Oh you're one to talk."



                                    Pat chuckled. Syd was right, either one of them both bought enough
                                    product to keep the local drug store in business.



                                    Syd stepped out. "Does this outfit work?"



                                    Pat laughed."Avery will be yours. Mark my words, friend, after the
                                    picnic, you will not be going home alone."




                                    To my mind, this sort of approach communicates that you are playing with gender rules and that the reader should enter the story accordingly.






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                                    • This is an interesting idea, but it seems to be portraying such characters as unusual in some way. What I'm trying to do is portray a baseline normalcy, so perhaps we see Bill the insurance agent put on his favorite pink skirt and heels to meet with a potential client while phoning his boyfriend to get ready for the weekend deer hunt.

                                      – Robert Columbia
                                      8 hours ago











                                    • But I think it can be done in a normal way. I think you don't need much, to make the reader get on board with your world building element. Your story telling.

                                      – DPT
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                                    Perhaps open with a character with a gender-ambiguous name, and never refer to this character as he or her. Or maybe two such characters.



                                    I think if done well, the gender-neutral interactions between a Syd and a Pat could be mind-trippy and set up your story frame nicely.



                                    EDIT: A short example of what I have in mind:




                                    "Hey, you ready?" Pat finished wrapping the sandwiches and snapped the
                                    lid on the cooler.



                                    "One more minute," Syd called from the bathroom.



                                    "Vanity, thy name is--"



                                    "Oh you're one to talk."



                                    Pat chuckled. Syd was right, either one of them both bought enough
                                    product to keep the local drug store in business.



                                    Syd stepped out. "Does this outfit work?"



                                    Pat laughed."Avery will be yours. Mark my words, friend, after the
                                    picnic, you will not be going home alone."




                                    To my mind, this sort of approach communicates that you are playing with gender rules and that the reader should enter the story accordingly.






                                    share|improve this answer















                                    Perhaps open with a character with a gender-ambiguous name, and never refer to this character as he or her. Or maybe two such characters.



                                    I think if done well, the gender-neutral interactions between a Syd and a Pat could be mind-trippy and set up your story frame nicely.



                                    EDIT: A short example of what I have in mind:




                                    "Hey, you ready?" Pat finished wrapping the sandwiches and snapped the
                                    lid on the cooler.



                                    "One more minute," Syd called from the bathroom.



                                    "Vanity, thy name is--"



                                    "Oh you're one to talk."



                                    Pat chuckled. Syd was right, either one of them both bought enough
                                    product to keep the local drug store in business.



                                    Syd stepped out. "Does this outfit work?"



                                    Pat laughed."Avery will be yours. Mark my words, friend, after the
                                    picnic, you will not be going home alone."




                                    To my mind, this sort of approach communicates that you are playing with gender rules and that the reader should enter the story accordingly.







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                                    • This is an interesting idea, but it seems to be portraying such characters as unusual in some way. What I'm trying to do is portray a baseline normalcy, so perhaps we see Bill the insurance agent put on his favorite pink skirt and heels to meet with a potential client while phoning his boyfriend to get ready for the weekend deer hunt.

                                      – Robert Columbia
                                      8 hours ago











                                    • But I think it can be done in a normal way. I think you don't need much, to make the reader get on board with your world building element. Your story telling.

                                      – DPT
                                      8 hours ago

















                                    • This is an interesting idea, but it seems to be portraying such characters as unusual in some way. What I'm trying to do is portray a baseline normalcy, so perhaps we see Bill the insurance agent put on his favorite pink skirt and heels to meet with a potential client while phoning his boyfriend to get ready for the weekend deer hunt.

                                      – Robert Columbia
                                      8 hours ago











                                    • But I think it can be done in a normal way. I think you don't need much, to make the reader get on board with your world building element. Your story telling.

                                      – DPT
                                      8 hours ago
















                                    This is an interesting idea, but it seems to be portraying such characters as unusual in some way. What I'm trying to do is portray a baseline normalcy, so perhaps we see Bill the insurance agent put on his favorite pink skirt and heels to meet with a potential client while phoning his boyfriend to get ready for the weekend deer hunt.

                                    – Robert Columbia
                                    8 hours ago





                                    This is an interesting idea, but it seems to be portraying such characters as unusual in some way. What I'm trying to do is portray a baseline normalcy, so perhaps we see Bill the insurance agent put on his favorite pink skirt and heels to meet with a potential client while phoning his boyfriend to get ready for the weekend deer hunt.

                                    – Robert Columbia
                                    8 hours ago













                                    But I think it can be done in a normal way. I think you don't need much, to make the reader get on board with your world building element. Your story telling.

                                    – DPT
                                    8 hours ago





                                    But I think it can be done in a normal way. I think you don't need much, to make the reader get on board with your world building element. Your story telling.

                                    – DPT
                                    8 hours ago











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                                    I don't want to answer the question you've asked because I think it's too loaded. If the point is not to be didactic or write an allegory, I think what you're actually asking is.



                                    How do I present a world with radical social norm differences than my own?



                                    And the answer is that you just present it as your characters would interact with it. If it's not the point, then do not make it the point. It's possible its a darling and one you do not wish actually write about (and you'll know this because it will get in the way of whatever narrative you actually want to tell); but if its not in the way than its the typical window-dressing that setting and theme write.



                                    Let's ask the reverse, of your question which is still a derivative of the one I pose above.



                                    How do I present an older version of the world that accepted radical social norms that are not at all acceptable today?



                                    The reality of this isn't that much different. You pick a point of view character. They have to interact in a world where the social norms (say slavery) are what they are. And that changes who has power and who doesn't. That changes who has expectations and who doesn't. It warps the conflict a bit and changes what the character is allowed to do as society sees them.



                                    But, there's another layer. You can write faithfully for the time period and end up with a truly abhorrent character. Sometimes in these situations you have a character who is the window through which your reader identifies. The person who doesn't quite get it or has opinions, but is outside of the normal social structure. Maybe you get to see their inner monologue where they hate slavery, but outwardly they can't say that for reasons. And through that our modern sensibilities are satisfied.



                                    But, there's not really a how other than being faithful to the rules an not violating them. And not making any rules that break the fourth wall or lose your reader.



                                    Back to your question...



                                    How do you do this for gender neutral society? No idea, I can't even really envision one. I'm not sure such a society is practical. But writers have written about utopias, so even if you're in the realm of fiction its possible. You do have to start with world building, so hey do that. And then you just follow the normal rules of fiction writing. Don't break the fourth wall. Keep your eye on the conflict. Build tension. Stick to your POV. Make sure your characters are doing interesting things.



                                    There is no "How To Write a Book" though... never will be. There are ways to write books like books that have existed. But, those are literature studies and acts of replication. Not sure that's what you're asking for.



                                    Was there a point in all of this?



                                    Yes, if the society being gender neutral is not the point and you talk about men in skirts don't be surprised if your reader thinks that actually is the point. Where you dwell, your reader will grant importance. So, if its not the point, do not dwell and go quickly past whatever it happens to be. This is not a special story when considering how to write a compelling story. It's another story. Maybe its more complicated because its more likely to trip up a modern audience. It may be hard to write such a book and have the point be something else.






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                                      I don't want to answer the question you've asked because I think it's too loaded. If the point is not to be didactic or write an allegory, I think what you're actually asking is.



                                      How do I present a world with radical social norm differences than my own?



                                      And the answer is that you just present it as your characters would interact with it. If it's not the point, then do not make it the point. It's possible its a darling and one you do not wish actually write about (and you'll know this because it will get in the way of whatever narrative you actually want to tell); but if its not in the way than its the typical window-dressing that setting and theme write.



                                      Let's ask the reverse, of your question which is still a derivative of the one I pose above.



                                      How do I present an older version of the world that accepted radical social norms that are not at all acceptable today?



                                      The reality of this isn't that much different. You pick a point of view character. They have to interact in a world where the social norms (say slavery) are what they are. And that changes who has power and who doesn't. That changes who has expectations and who doesn't. It warps the conflict a bit and changes what the character is allowed to do as society sees them.



                                      But, there's another layer. You can write faithfully for the time period and end up with a truly abhorrent character. Sometimes in these situations you have a character who is the window through which your reader identifies. The person who doesn't quite get it or has opinions, but is outside of the normal social structure. Maybe you get to see their inner monologue where they hate slavery, but outwardly they can't say that for reasons. And through that our modern sensibilities are satisfied.



                                      But, there's not really a how other than being faithful to the rules an not violating them. And not making any rules that break the fourth wall or lose your reader.



                                      Back to your question...



                                      How do you do this for gender neutral society? No idea, I can't even really envision one. I'm not sure such a society is practical. But writers have written about utopias, so even if you're in the realm of fiction its possible. You do have to start with world building, so hey do that. And then you just follow the normal rules of fiction writing. Don't break the fourth wall. Keep your eye on the conflict. Build tension. Stick to your POV. Make sure your characters are doing interesting things.



                                      There is no "How To Write a Book" though... never will be. There are ways to write books like books that have existed. But, those are literature studies and acts of replication. Not sure that's what you're asking for.



                                      Was there a point in all of this?



                                      Yes, if the society being gender neutral is not the point and you talk about men in skirts don't be surprised if your reader thinks that actually is the point. Where you dwell, your reader will grant importance. So, if its not the point, do not dwell and go quickly past whatever it happens to be. This is not a special story when considering how to write a compelling story. It's another story. Maybe its more complicated because its more likely to trip up a modern audience. It may be hard to write such a book and have the point be something else.






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                                        I don't want to answer the question you've asked because I think it's too loaded. If the point is not to be didactic or write an allegory, I think what you're actually asking is.



                                        How do I present a world with radical social norm differences than my own?



                                        And the answer is that you just present it as your characters would interact with it. If it's not the point, then do not make it the point. It's possible its a darling and one you do not wish actually write about (and you'll know this because it will get in the way of whatever narrative you actually want to tell); but if its not in the way than its the typical window-dressing that setting and theme write.



                                        Let's ask the reverse, of your question which is still a derivative of the one I pose above.



                                        How do I present an older version of the world that accepted radical social norms that are not at all acceptable today?



                                        The reality of this isn't that much different. You pick a point of view character. They have to interact in a world where the social norms (say slavery) are what they are. And that changes who has power and who doesn't. That changes who has expectations and who doesn't. It warps the conflict a bit and changes what the character is allowed to do as society sees them.



                                        But, there's another layer. You can write faithfully for the time period and end up with a truly abhorrent character. Sometimes in these situations you have a character who is the window through which your reader identifies. The person who doesn't quite get it or has opinions, but is outside of the normal social structure. Maybe you get to see their inner monologue where they hate slavery, but outwardly they can't say that for reasons. And through that our modern sensibilities are satisfied.



                                        But, there's not really a how other than being faithful to the rules an not violating them. And not making any rules that break the fourth wall or lose your reader.



                                        Back to your question...



                                        How do you do this for gender neutral society? No idea, I can't even really envision one. I'm not sure such a society is practical. But writers have written about utopias, so even if you're in the realm of fiction its possible. You do have to start with world building, so hey do that. And then you just follow the normal rules of fiction writing. Don't break the fourth wall. Keep your eye on the conflict. Build tension. Stick to your POV. Make sure your characters are doing interesting things.



                                        There is no "How To Write a Book" though... never will be. There are ways to write books like books that have existed. But, those are literature studies and acts of replication. Not sure that's what you're asking for.



                                        Was there a point in all of this?



                                        Yes, if the society being gender neutral is not the point and you talk about men in skirts don't be surprised if your reader thinks that actually is the point. Where you dwell, your reader will grant importance. So, if its not the point, do not dwell and go quickly past whatever it happens to be. This is not a special story when considering how to write a compelling story. It's another story. Maybe its more complicated because its more likely to trip up a modern audience. It may be hard to write such a book and have the point be something else.






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                                        I don't want to answer the question you've asked because I think it's too loaded. If the point is not to be didactic or write an allegory, I think what you're actually asking is.



                                        How do I present a world with radical social norm differences than my own?



                                        And the answer is that you just present it as your characters would interact with it. If it's not the point, then do not make it the point. It's possible its a darling and one you do not wish actually write about (and you'll know this because it will get in the way of whatever narrative you actually want to tell); but if its not in the way than its the typical window-dressing that setting and theme write.



                                        Let's ask the reverse, of your question which is still a derivative of the one I pose above.



                                        How do I present an older version of the world that accepted radical social norms that are not at all acceptable today?



                                        The reality of this isn't that much different. You pick a point of view character. They have to interact in a world where the social norms (say slavery) are what they are. And that changes who has power and who doesn't. That changes who has expectations and who doesn't. It warps the conflict a bit and changes what the character is allowed to do as society sees them.



                                        But, there's another layer. You can write faithfully for the time period and end up with a truly abhorrent character. Sometimes in these situations you have a character who is the window through which your reader identifies. The person who doesn't quite get it or has opinions, but is outside of the normal social structure. Maybe you get to see their inner monologue where they hate slavery, but outwardly they can't say that for reasons. And through that our modern sensibilities are satisfied.



                                        But, there's not really a how other than being faithful to the rules an not violating them. And not making any rules that break the fourth wall or lose your reader.



                                        Back to your question...



                                        How do you do this for gender neutral society? No idea, I can't even really envision one. I'm not sure such a society is practical. But writers have written about utopias, so even if you're in the realm of fiction its possible. You do have to start with world building, so hey do that. And then you just follow the normal rules of fiction writing. Don't break the fourth wall. Keep your eye on the conflict. Build tension. Stick to your POV. Make sure your characters are doing interesting things.



                                        There is no "How To Write a Book" though... never will be. There are ways to write books like books that have existed. But, those are literature studies and acts of replication. Not sure that's what you're asking for.



                                        Was there a point in all of this?



                                        Yes, if the society being gender neutral is not the point and you talk about men in skirts don't be surprised if your reader thinks that actually is the point. Where you dwell, your reader will grant importance. So, if its not the point, do not dwell and go quickly past whatever it happens to be. This is not a special story when considering how to write a compelling story. It's another story. Maybe its more complicated because its more likely to trip up a modern audience. It may be hard to write such a book and have the point be something else.







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                                            Present a world like that of the Culture series, where radical transhumanism is the norm, and everyone can swap their gender or sexuality to be whatever they want it to be trivially easily. As a result, discrimination based on gender or sexuality no longer exists, since whenever there were inequalities between the genders, people just tended to switch to whichever gender was socially advantaged until things swung back the other way.






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                                              Present a world like that of the Culture series, where radical transhumanism is the norm, and everyone can swap their gender or sexuality to be whatever they want it to be trivially easily. As a result, discrimination based on gender or sexuality no longer exists, since whenever there were inequalities between the genders, people just tended to switch to whichever gender was socially advantaged until things swung back the other way.






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                                                Present a world like that of the Culture series, where radical transhumanism is the norm, and everyone can swap their gender or sexuality to be whatever they want it to be trivially easily. As a result, discrimination based on gender or sexuality no longer exists, since whenever there were inequalities between the genders, people just tended to switch to whichever gender was socially advantaged until things swung back the other way.






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                                                Present a world like that of the Culture series, where radical transhumanism is the norm, and everyone can swap their gender or sexuality to be whatever they want it to be trivially easily. As a result, discrimination based on gender or sexuality no longer exists, since whenever there were inequalities between the genders, people just tended to switch to whichever gender was socially advantaged until things swung back the other way.







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