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I would like to submit a part of my master's thesis which is more or less close to an end. I wrote the entire thesis without having much feedback from my advisor as he's in a different city and we had literally no chance to meet except a few times. The feedback he had provided was too little and I want to submit a part of the thesis to a conference on my own. I will give his name of course while submitting but do I have to also inform him?
If I have to, then he might not approve this as he contributed very little and still he doesn't like my research much.
What should I do according to your experiences?



  1. Should I inform him and bare his negative comments about not submitting at all?

  2. Or should I submit as single-author paper as I, from the beginning to the end, was only not the writer (of course it's my thesis) but also the solely contributor to this thesis? (He even said it to me as " you did very much well in fact, on your own", in one of our meeting.)









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    I would be pretty mad if someone submitted my name on a paper and didn't even tell me first. Why not ask your advisor if they want to be a co-author?

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I would like to submit a part of my master's thesis which is more or less close to an end. I wrote the entire thesis without having much feedback from my advisor as he's in a different city and we had literally no chance to meet except a few times. The feedback he had provided was too little and I want to submit a part of the thesis to a conference on my own. I will give his name of course while submitting but do I have to also inform him?
If I have to, then he might not approve this as he contributed very little and still he doesn't like my research much.
What should I do according to your experiences?



  1. Should I inform him and bare his negative comments about not submitting at all?

  2. Or should I submit as single-author paper as I, from the beginning to the end, was only not the writer (of course it's my thesis) but also the solely contributor to this thesis? (He even said it to me as " you did very much well in fact, on your own", in one of our meeting.)









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I would like to submit a part of my master's thesis which is more or less close to an end. I wrote the entire thesis without having much feedback from my advisor as he's in a different city and we had literally no chance to meet except a few times. The feedback he had provided was too little and I want to submit a part of the thesis to a conference on my own. I will give his name of course while submitting but do I have to also inform him?
If I have to, then he might not approve this as he contributed very little and still he doesn't like my research much.
What should I do according to your experiences?



  1. Should I inform him and bare his negative comments about not submitting at all?

  2. Or should I submit as single-author paper as I, from the beginning to the end, was only not the writer (of course it's my thesis) but also the solely contributor to this thesis? (He even said it to me as " you did very much well in fact, on your own", in one of our meeting.)









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I would like to submit a part of my master's thesis which is more or less close to an end. I wrote the entire thesis without having much feedback from my advisor as he's in a different city and we had literally no chance to meet except a few times. The feedback he had provided was too little and I want to submit a part of the thesis to a conference on my own. I will give his name of course while submitting but do I have to also inform him?
If I have to, then he might not approve this as he contributed very little and still he doesn't like my research much.
What should I do according to your experiences?



  1. Should I inform him and bare his negative comments about not submitting at all?

  2. Or should I submit as single-author paper as I, from the beginning to the end, was only not the writer (of course it's my thesis) but also the solely contributor to this thesis? (He even said it to me as " you did very much well in fact, on your own", in one of our meeting.)






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Your first priority should be to finish your degree. Without more information, I don't know whether submitting alone would jeopardize that or not, so find out first. Make sure you understand the rules at your university around theses and publication.



Also consider what is considered appropriate in your field. I assume it is economics, but I have no knowledge whether it is appropriate for a student to publish without his or her advisor. In some fields it would be fine. In others, it would be considered a transgression.



Your advisor probably knows all of this. If personalities don't suggest otherwise it would probably be best to ask him how you should submit your work to the conference and whether that would cause any difficulties.



My best guess is that he would say ok, but if not, consider what else he says in light of the first priority - completion.



At the level of a master's degree, a joint paper with your advisor still has value, so don't rule that out completely if it is the common practice of your field, or if it would help advance your cause.



But you are probably the best judge here to evaluate both the requirements of your university and the relationship with the advisor.






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    Under no circumstances can it be ok to submit with his name on it but without his explicit consent. This wouldnt be ok if he'd be enthusiastic about your research, and if he is not particularly fond of it, this will quite certainly end badly.



    If you are confident that your advisor did not contribute to the planned submission in a meaningful way, the default course of action should be to sent him a message informing him of the planned submission and thanking him for the guidance received. That way, if he disagrees on not having contributed, there is a chance to fix stuff before they blow.






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      I interpreted it as an ack, not as co-authorship, but even that requires permission in some places.

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    I am based in Germany and had a similar problem recently. As it turns out, my university had a guideline which explicitly says that you are the sole author of you bachelor's / master's thesis, since everything else (e.g. co-authorship of your advisor) would be in conflict with the fact that the thesis should be an assessment of ONLY the student's capabilities. I suggest that you find out if your university has a guideline for such issues.



    Having your advisor on board might have advantages later, i.e. when it comes to writing rebuttals or preparing the presentation.






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      Authorship on the thesis itself is not the same as authorship on a paper derived from the thesis. Distilling a say 100 page thesis to a good 6 - 10 page paper is a non-trivial task, and if the advisor had a role in that by for example proposing which aspects from the thesis to put in the paper and how to build it up overall, that would certainly have deserved co-authorship.

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    • @silvado really? I give and get advice to/from colleagues about that all the time, even editing/correcting papers. We've never asked for or even considered coauthorship.

      – guifa
      10 hours ago






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      @guifa I agree that editing/correcting is usually not a sufficient contribution for authorship. But what I refer to here is essentially planning the structure of the paper and making a compelling line of argumentation to come to the conclusions.

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    Your first priority should be to finish your degree. Without more information, I don't know whether submitting alone would jeopardize that or not, so find out first. Make sure you understand the rules at your university around theses and publication.



    Also consider what is considered appropriate in your field. I assume it is economics, but I have no knowledge whether it is appropriate for a student to publish without his or her advisor. In some fields it would be fine. In others, it would be considered a transgression.



    Your advisor probably knows all of this. If personalities don't suggest otherwise it would probably be best to ask him how you should submit your work to the conference and whether that would cause any difficulties.



    My best guess is that he would say ok, but if not, consider what else he says in light of the first priority - completion.



    At the level of a master's degree, a joint paper with your advisor still has value, so don't rule that out completely if it is the common practice of your field, or if it would help advance your cause.



    But you are probably the best judge here to evaluate both the requirements of your university and the relationship with the advisor.






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      Your first priority should be to finish your degree. Without more information, I don't know whether submitting alone would jeopardize that or not, so find out first. Make sure you understand the rules at your university around theses and publication.



      Also consider what is considered appropriate in your field. I assume it is economics, but I have no knowledge whether it is appropriate for a student to publish without his or her advisor. In some fields it would be fine. In others, it would be considered a transgression.



      Your advisor probably knows all of this. If personalities don't suggest otherwise it would probably be best to ask him how you should submit your work to the conference and whether that would cause any difficulties.



      My best guess is that he would say ok, but if not, consider what else he says in light of the first priority - completion.



      At the level of a master's degree, a joint paper with your advisor still has value, so don't rule that out completely if it is the common practice of your field, or if it would help advance your cause.



      But you are probably the best judge here to evaluate both the requirements of your university and the relationship with the advisor.






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        Your first priority should be to finish your degree. Without more information, I don't know whether submitting alone would jeopardize that or not, so find out first. Make sure you understand the rules at your university around theses and publication.



        Also consider what is considered appropriate in your field. I assume it is economics, but I have no knowledge whether it is appropriate for a student to publish without his or her advisor. In some fields it would be fine. In others, it would be considered a transgression.



        Your advisor probably knows all of this. If personalities don't suggest otherwise it would probably be best to ask him how you should submit your work to the conference and whether that would cause any difficulties.



        My best guess is that he would say ok, but if not, consider what else he says in light of the first priority - completion.



        At the level of a master's degree, a joint paper with your advisor still has value, so don't rule that out completely if it is the common practice of your field, or if it would help advance your cause.



        But you are probably the best judge here to evaluate both the requirements of your university and the relationship with the advisor.






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        Your first priority should be to finish your degree. Without more information, I don't know whether submitting alone would jeopardize that or not, so find out first. Make sure you understand the rules at your university around theses and publication.



        Also consider what is considered appropriate in your field. I assume it is economics, but I have no knowledge whether it is appropriate for a student to publish without his or her advisor. In some fields it would be fine. In others, it would be considered a transgression.



        Your advisor probably knows all of this. If personalities don't suggest otherwise it would probably be best to ask him how you should submit your work to the conference and whether that would cause any difficulties.



        My best guess is that he would say ok, but if not, consider what else he says in light of the first priority - completion.



        At the level of a master's degree, a joint paper with your advisor still has value, so don't rule that out completely if it is the common practice of your field, or if it would help advance your cause.



        But you are probably the best judge here to evaluate both the requirements of your university and the relationship with the advisor.







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            Under no circumstances can it be ok to submit with his name on it but without his explicit consent. This wouldnt be ok if he'd be enthusiastic about your research, and if he is not particularly fond of it, this will quite certainly end badly.



            If you are confident that your advisor did not contribute to the planned submission in a meaningful way, the default course of action should be to sent him a message informing him of the planned submission and thanking him for the guidance received. That way, if he disagrees on not having contributed, there is a chance to fix stuff before they blow.






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              I interpreted it as an ack, not as co-authorship, but even that requires permission in some places.

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            Under no circumstances can it be ok to submit with his name on it but without his explicit consent. This wouldnt be ok if he'd be enthusiastic about your research, and if he is not particularly fond of it, this will quite certainly end badly.



            If you are confident that your advisor did not contribute to the planned submission in a meaningful way, the default course of action should be to sent him a message informing him of the planned submission and thanking him for the guidance received. That way, if he disagrees on not having contributed, there is a chance to fix stuff before they blow.






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              I interpreted it as an ack, not as co-authorship, but even that requires permission in some places.

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            Under no circumstances can it be ok to submit with his name on it but without his explicit consent. This wouldnt be ok if he'd be enthusiastic about your research, and if he is not particularly fond of it, this will quite certainly end badly.



            If you are confident that your advisor did not contribute to the planned submission in a meaningful way, the default course of action should be to sent him a message informing him of the planned submission and thanking him for the guidance received. That way, if he disagrees on not having contributed, there is a chance to fix stuff before they blow.






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            Under no circumstances can it be ok to submit with his name on it but without his explicit consent. This wouldnt be ok if he'd be enthusiastic about your research, and if he is not particularly fond of it, this will quite certainly end badly.



            If you are confident that your advisor did not contribute to the planned submission in a meaningful way, the default course of action should be to sent him a message informing him of the planned submission and thanking him for the guidance received. That way, if he disagrees on not having contributed, there is a chance to fix stuff before they blow.







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              I interpreted it as an ack, not as co-authorship, but even that requires permission in some places.

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              I interpreted it as an ack, not as co-authorship, but even that requires permission in some places.

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            I interpreted it as an ack, not as co-authorship, but even that requires permission in some places.

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            I interpreted it as an ack, not as co-authorship, but even that requires permission in some places.

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            I am based in Germany and had a similar problem recently. As it turns out, my university had a guideline which explicitly says that you are the sole author of you bachelor's / master's thesis, since everything else (e.g. co-authorship of your advisor) would be in conflict with the fact that the thesis should be an assessment of ONLY the student's capabilities. I suggest that you find out if your university has a guideline for such issues.



            Having your advisor on board might have advantages later, i.e. when it comes to writing rebuttals or preparing the presentation.






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              Authorship on the thesis itself is not the same as authorship on a paper derived from the thesis. Distilling a say 100 page thesis to a good 6 - 10 page paper is a non-trivial task, and if the advisor had a role in that by for example proposing which aspects from the thesis to put in the paper and how to build it up overall, that would certainly have deserved co-authorship.

              – silvado
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            • @silvado really? I give and get advice to/from colleagues about that all the time, even editing/correcting papers. We've never asked for or even considered coauthorship.

              – guifa
              10 hours ago






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              @guifa I agree that editing/correcting is usually not a sufficient contribution for authorship. But what I refer to here is essentially planning the structure of the paper and making a compelling line of argumentation to come to the conclusions.

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            I am based in Germany and had a similar problem recently. As it turns out, my university had a guideline which explicitly says that you are the sole author of you bachelor's / master's thesis, since everything else (e.g. co-authorship of your advisor) would be in conflict with the fact that the thesis should be an assessment of ONLY the student's capabilities. I suggest that you find out if your university has a guideline for such issues.



            Having your advisor on board might have advantages later, i.e. when it comes to writing rebuttals or preparing the presentation.






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              Authorship on the thesis itself is not the same as authorship on a paper derived from the thesis. Distilling a say 100 page thesis to a good 6 - 10 page paper is a non-trivial task, and if the advisor had a role in that by for example proposing which aspects from the thesis to put in the paper and how to build it up overall, that would certainly have deserved co-authorship.

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            • @silvado really? I give and get advice to/from colleagues about that all the time, even editing/correcting papers. We've never asked for or even considered coauthorship.

              – guifa
              10 hours ago






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              @guifa I agree that editing/correcting is usually not a sufficient contribution for authorship. But what I refer to here is essentially planning the structure of the paper and making a compelling line of argumentation to come to the conclusions.

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            I am based in Germany and had a similar problem recently. As it turns out, my university had a guideline which explicitly says that you are the sole author of you bachelor's / master's thesis, since everything else (e.g. co-authorship of your advisor) would be in conflict with the fact that the thesis should be an assessment of ONLY the student's capabilities. I suggest that you find out if your university has a guideline for such issues.



            Having your advisor on board might have advantages later, i.e. when it comes to writing rebuttals or preparing the presentation.






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            I am based in Germany and had a similar problem recently. As it turns out, my university had a guideline which explicitly says that you are the sole author of you bachelor's / master's thesis, since everything else (e.g. co-authorship of your advisor) would be in conflict with the fact that the thesis should be an assessment of ONLY the student's capabilities. I suggest that you find out if your university has a guideline for such issues.



            Having your advisor on board might have advantages later, i.e. when it comes to writing rebuttals or preparing the presentation.







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              Authorship on the thesis itself is not the same as authorship on a paper derived from the thesis. Distilling a say 100 page thesis to a good 6 - 10 page paper is a non-trivial task, and if the advisor had a role in that by for example proposing which aspects from the thesis to put in the paper and how to build it up overall, that would certainly have deserved co-authorship.

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            • @silvado really? I give and get advice to/from colleagues about that all the time, even editing/correcting papers. We've never asked for or even considered coauthorship.

              – guifa
              10 hours ago






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              @guifa I agree that editing/correcting is usually not a sufficient contribution for authorship. But what I refer to here is essentially planning the structure of the paper and making a compelling line of argumentation to come to the conclusions.

              – silvado
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              Authorship on the thesis itself is not the same as authorship on a paper derived from the thesis. Distilling a say 100 page thesis to a good 6 - 10 page paper is a non-trivial task, and if the advisor had a role in that by for example proposing which aspects from the thesis to put in the paper and how to build it up overall, that would certainly have deserved co-authorship.

              – silvado
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            • @silvado really? I give and get advice to/from colleagues about that all the time, even editing/correcting papers. We've never asked for or even considered coauthorship.

              – guifa
              10 hours ago






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              @guifa I agree that editing/correcting is usually not a sufficient contribution for authorship. But what I refer to here is essentially planning the structure of the paper and making a compelling line of argumentation to come to the conclusions.

              – silvado
              9 hours ago







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            Authorship on the thesis itself is not the same as authorship on a paper derived from the thesis. Distilling a say 100 page thesis to a good 6 - 10 page paper is a non-trivial task, and if the advisor had a role in that by for example proposing which aspects from the thesis to put in the paper and how to build it up overall, that would certainly have deserved co-authorship.

            – silvado
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            Authorship on the thesis itself is not the same as authorship on a paper derived from the thesis. Distilling a say 100 page thesis to a good 6 - 10 page paper is a non-trivial task, and if the advisor had a role in that by for example proposing which aspects from the thesis to put in the paper and how to build it up overall, that would certainly have deserved co-authorship.

            – silvado
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            @silvado really? I give and get advice to/from colleagues about that all the time, even editing/correcting papers. We've never asked for or even considered coauthorship.

            – guifa
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            @silvado really? I give and get advice to/from colleagues about that all the time, even editing/correcting papers. We've never asked for or even considered coauthorship.

            – guifa
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            @guifa I agree that editing/correcting is usually not a sufficient contribution for authorship. But what I refer to here is essentially planning the structure of the paper and making a compelling line of argumentation to come to the conclusions.

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            @guifa I agree that editing/correcting is usually not a sufficient contribution for authorship. But what I refer to here is essentially planning the structure of the paper and making a compelling line of argumentation to come to the conclusions.

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