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Importance of the current postdoc advisor's letter in TT job search
Pros and cons of not having PhD advisor's letter of recommendation after postdoc?Job search when coming up for tenureLeaving soft-money job for tenure track position that doesn't start until August: when to tell current advisor?How to get rid of unwanted and annoying co-author?Will these “errors” in my advisor's letter raise red flags when I apply for academic faculty positions?Bad recommendation letter from previous postdoc adviserChanging thesis supervisor to avoid bad letter of recommendation from current supervisor?Inform the search committee of another university about your current campus interviewreference letter from current line manager?
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I have strong publication record in my Ph.D. and 1st Postdoc that went for two years. Got 4 TT interview calls before last year.. but not successful in any. Last year did not apply, but this year, after fixing a few shortcomings noticed in my previous interviews, started the search again. In the meantime I published a couple of top journals as the corresponding author. However, I am not in harmonious professional relation with the present postdoc advisor. I am working for a little over one year in this position but did not yield any journal publication. I am sure that this advisor's reference will have negative impact on my search, if at all he agrees to write one. The only best way for me is avoid this advisor's letter, since I can arrange the required number of good letters from my previous affiliations. If I proceed with out my present advisor's reference, will it have any bearing on my chances? Expecting some suggestions from the people having experience in search committees.
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I have strong publication record in my Ph.D. and 1st Postdoc that went for two years. Got 4 TT interview calls before last year.. but not successful in any. Last year did not apply, but this year, after fixing a few shortcomings noticed in my previous interviews, started the search again. In the meantime I published a couple of top journals as the corresponding author. However, I am not in harmonious professional relation with the present postdoc advisor. I am working for a little over one year in this position but did not yield any journal publication. I am sure that this advisor's reference will have negative impact on my search, if at all he agrees to write one. The only best way for me is avoid this advisor's letter, since I can arrange the required number of good letters from my previous affiliations. If I proceed with out my present advisor's reference, will it have any bearing on my chances? Expecting some suggestions from the people having experience in search committees.
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I have strong publication record in my Ph.D. and 1st Postdoc that went for two years. Got 4 TT interview calls before last year.. but not successful in any. Last year did not apply, but this year, after fixing a few shortcomings noticed in my previous interviews, started the search again. In the meantime I published a couple of top journals as the corresponding author. However, I am not in harmonious professional relation with the present postdoc advisor. I am working for a little over one year in this position but did not yield any journal publication. I am sure that this advisor's reference will have negative impact on my search, if at all he agrees to write one. The only best way for me is avoid this advisor's letter, since I can arrange the required number of good letters from my previous affiliations. If I proceed with out my present advisor's reference, will it have any bearing on my chances? Expecting some suggestions from the people having experience in search committees.
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In my view, strong letters are extremely important. You certainly don't want any letters from people interested in sabotaging you in any way. Even poorly written letters can be a setback. So can letters written by non-native speakers who may not grok the nuances of certain phrases.
There is the concept of Damning with Faint Praise that can be absolutely deadly in a letter. It can be intentional or not, actually.
Get letters from people who know your potential and are willing to speak for it. They need to know about your past work, of course, but people will be looking for potential and how it relates to a particular position.
If you have any doubts about what a person might say, ask them about it, or go elsewhere. In certain situations (non-native speakers, say) you might even request that a letter writer check their letter with a neutral third party, such as a department head. This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago.
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Thank you for the suggestion. I can get strong letters from my previous advisors and the other known Profs. Since I am working with the present advisor currently, is it okay to apply without this advisor's letter? How should I defend if it is questioned in the interview?
– arn
7 hours ago
2
If a letter from your current advisor will harm your search, you must apply without a letter from your current advisor. Will that omission have an effect? Of course! But the effect of a negative or weak letter is far worse.
– JeffE
6 hours ago
1
"This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago." Is that a story you can share?
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
1
@darijgrinberg, I had a great advisor who wrote me a great letter if you knew how he meant it. Unfortunately he was Czech (not a native English speaker) and a classically educated mathematician. His description of my essential knowledge (classical real analysis) made it sound like all I knew was Calculus. Of course, both of us knew what he meant, but it was years before another faculty member reviewed that letter and saw the implication. Moreover it was a difficult time to get an academic job in math (70's).
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy: Ah, the classical European humility plus the non-existent separation between calculus and analysis outside of the US :)
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
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There is no problem in asking other people than your postdoc host to provide letters for you. It is you who decide who to ask, and recruitment committees will probably not even notice, nor will care whether your postdoc host is missing (unless there exists a special relation between a committee member and the host, in which case you can still not ask the host for a letter).
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In my view, strong letters are extremely important. You certainly don't want any letters from people interested in sabotaging you in any way. Even poorly written letters can be a setback. So can letters written by non-native speakers who may not grok the nuances of certain phrases.
There is the concept of Damning with Faint Praise that can be absolutely deadly in a letter. It can be intentional or not, actually.
Get letters from people who know your potential and are willing to speak for it. They need to know about your past work, of course, but people will be looking for potential and how it relates to a particular position.
If you have any doubts about what a person might say, ask them about it, or go elsewhere. In certain situations (non-native speakers, say) you might even request that a letter writer check their letter with a neutral third party, such as a department head. This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago.
answered 8 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
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Thank you for the suggestion. I can get strong letters from my previous advisors and the other known Profs. Since I am working with the present advisor currently, is it okay to apply without this advisor's letter? How should I defend if it is questioned in the interview?
– arn
7 hours ago
2
If a letter from your current advisor will harm your search, you must apply without a letter from your current advisor. Will that omission have an effect? Of course! But the effect of a negative or weak letter is far worse.
– JeffE
6 hours ago
1
"This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago." Is that a story you can share?
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
1
@darijgrinberg, I had a great advisor who wrote me a great letter if you knew how he meant it. Unfortunately he was Czech (not a native English speaker) and a classically educated mathematician. His description of my essential knowledge (classical real analysis) made it sound like all I knew was Calculus. Of course, both of us knew what he meant, but it was years before another faculty member reviewed that letter and saw the implication. Moreover it was a difficult time to get an academic job in math (70's).
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy: Ah, the classical European humility plus the non-existent separation between calculus and analysis outside of the US :)
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
In my view, strong letters are extremely important. You certainly don't want any letters from people interested in sabotaging you in any way. Even poorly written letters can be a setback. So can letters written by non-native speakers who may not grok the nuances of certain phrases.
There is the concept of Damning with Faint Praise that can be absolutely deadly in a letter. It can be intentional or not, actually.
Get letters from people who know your potential and are willing to speak for it. They need to know about your past work, of course, but people will be looking for potential and how it relates to a particular position.
If you have any doubts about what a person might say, ask them about it, or go elsewhere. In certain situations (non-native speakers, say) you might even request that a letter writer check their letter with a neutral third party, such as a department head. This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago.
answered 8 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
82.9k21 gold badges253 silver badges363 bronze badges
Thank you for the suggestion. I can get strong letters from my previous advisors and the other known Profs. Since I am working with the present advisor currently, is it okay to apply without this advisor's letter? How should I defend if it is questioned in the interview?
– arn
7 hours ago
2
If a letter from your current advisor will harm your search, you must apply without a letter from your current advisor. Will that omission have an effect? Of course! But the effect of a negative or weak letter is far worse.
– JeffE
6 hours ago
1
"This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago." Is that a story you can share?
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
1
@darijgrinberg, I had a great advisor who wrote me a great letter if you knew how he meant it. Unfortunately he was Czech (not a native English speaker) and a classically educated mathematician. His description of my essential knowledge (classical real analysis) made it sound like all I knew was Calculus. Of course, both of us knew what he meant, but it was years before another faculty member reviewed that letter and saw the implication. Moreover it was a difficult time to get an academic job in math (70's).
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy: Ah, the classical European humility plus the non-existent separation between calculus and analysis outside of the US :)
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
In my view, strong letters are extremely important. You certainly don't want any letters from people interested in sabotaging you in any way. Even poorly written letters can be a setback. So can letters written by non-native speakers who may not grok the nuances of certain phrases.
There is the concept of Damning with Faint Praise that can be absolutely deadly in a letter. It can be intentional or not, actually.
Get letters from people who know your potential and are willing to speak for it. They need to know about your past work, of course, but people will be looking for potential and how it relates to a particular position.
If you have any doubts about what a person might say, ask them about it, or go elsewhere. In certain situations (non-native speakers, say) you might even request that a letter writer check their letter with a neutral third party, such as a department head. This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago.
answered 8 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
82.9k21 gold badges253 silver badges363 bronze badges
In my view, strong letters are extremely important. You certainly don't want any letters from people interested in sabotaging you in any way. Even poorly written letters can be a setback. So can letters written by non-native speakers who may not grok the nuances of certain phrases.
There is the concept of Damning with Faint Praise that can be absolutely deadly in a letter. It can be intentional or not, actually.
Get letters from people who know your potential and are willing to speak for it. They need to know about your past work, of course, but people will be looking for potential and how it relates to a particular position.
If you have any doubts about what a person might say, ask them about it, or go elsewhere. In certain situations (non-native speakers, say) you might even request that a letter writer check their letter with a neutral third party, such as a department head. This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago.
answered 8 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
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answered 8 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
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answered 8 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
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answered 8 hours ago
BuffyBuffy
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Thank you for the suggestion. I can get strong letters from my previous advisors and the other known Profs. Since I am working with the present advisor currently, is it okay to apply without this advisor's letter? How should I defend if it is questioned in the interview?
– arn
7 hours ago
2
If a letter from your current advisor will harm your search, you must apply without a letter from your current advisor. Will that omission have an effect? Of course! But the effect of a negative or weak letter is far worse.
– JeffE
6 hours ago
1
"This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago." Is that a story you can share?
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
1
@darijgrinberg, I had a great advisor who wrote me a great letter if you knew how he meant it. Unfortunately he was Czech (not a native English speaker) and a classically educated mathematician. His description of my essential knowledge (classical real analysis) made it sound like all I knew was Calculus. Of course, both of us knew what he meant, but it was years before another faculty member reviewed that letter and saw the implication. Moreover it was a difficult time to get an academic job in math (70's).
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy: Ah, the classical European humility plus the non-existent separation between calculus and analysis outside of the US :)
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Thank you for the suggestion. I can get strong letters from my previous advisors and the other known Profs. Since I am working with the present advisor currently, is it okay to apply without this advisor's letter? How should I defend if it is questioned in the interview?
– arn
7 hours ago
2
If a letter from your current advisor will harm your search, you must apply without a letter from your current advisor. Will that omission have an effect? Of course! But the effect of a negative or weak letter is far worse.
– JeffE
6 hours ago
1
"This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago." Is that a story you can share?
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
1
@darijgrinberg, I had a great advisor who wrote me a great letter if you knew how he meant it. Unfortunately he was Czech (not a native English speaker) and a classically educated mathematician. His description of my essential knowledge (classical real analysis) made it sound like all I knew was Calculus. Of course, both of us knew what he meant, but it was years before another faculty member reviewed that letter and saw the implication. Moreover it was a difficult time to get an academic job in math (70's).
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy: Ah, the classical European humility plus the non-existent separation between calculus and analysis outside of the US :)
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
Thank you for the suggestion. I can get strong letters from my previous advisors and the other known Profs. Since I am working with the present advisor currently, is it okay to apply without this advisor's letter? How should I defend if it is questioned in the interview?
– arn
7 hours ago
Thank you for the suggestion. I can get strong letters from my previous advisors and the other known Profs. Since I am working with the present advisor currently, is it okay to apply without this advisor's letter? How should I defend if it is questioned in the interview?
– arn
7 hours ago
2
2
If a letter from your current advisor will harm your search, you must apply without a letter from your current advisor. Will that omission have an effect? Of course! But the effect of a negative or weak letter is far worse.
– JeffE
6 hours ago
If a letter from your current advisor will harm your search, you must apply without a letter from your current advisor. Will that omission have an effect? Of course! But the effect of a negative or weak letter is far worse.
– JeffE
6 hours ago
1
1
"This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago." Is that a story you can share?
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
"This would have saved me tremendous grief long ago." Is that a story you can share?
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
1
1
@darijgrinberg, I had a great advisor who wrote me a great letter if you knew how he meant it. Unfortunately he was Czech (not a native English speaker) and a classically educated mathematician. His description of my essential knowledge (classical real analysis) made it sound like all I knew was Calculus. Of course, both of us knew what he meant, but it was years before another faculty member reviewed that letter and saw the implication. Moreover it was a difficult time to get an academic job in math (70's).
– Buffy
2 hours ago
@darijgrinberg, I had a great advisor who wrote me a great letter if you knew how he meant it. Unfortunately he was Czech (not a native English speaker) and a classically educated mathematician. His description of my essential knowledge (classical real analysis) made it sound like all I knew was Calculus. Of course, both of us knew what he meant, but it was years before another faculty member reviewed that letter and saw the implication. Moreover it was a difficult time to get an academic job in math (70's).
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
1
@Buffy: Ah, the classical European humility plus the non-existent separation between calculus and analysis outside of the US :)
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
@Buffy: Ah, the classical European humility plus the non-existent separation between calculus and analysis outside of the US :)
– darij grinberg
2 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
There is no problem in asking other people than your postdoc host to provide letters for you. It is you who decide who to ask, and recruitment committees will probably not even notice, nor will care whether your postdoc host is missing (unless there exists a special relation between a committee member and the host, in which case you can still not ask the host for a letter).
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There is no problem in asking other people than your postdoc host to provide letters for you. It is you who decide who to ask, and recruitment committees will probably not even notice, nor will care whether your postdoc host is missing (unless there exists a special relation between a committee member and the host, in which case you can still not ask the host for a letter).
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There is no problem in asking other people than your postdoc host to provide letters for you. It is you who decide who to ask, and recruitment committees will probably not even notice, nor will care whether your postdoc host is missing (unless there exists a special relation between a committee member and the host, in which case you can still not ask the host for a letter).
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