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I define a command test that does nothing but define a control sequence c[count], where [count] is the current text value of the counter count at the time test is executed. I want c[count] to output the text "Number thecount", where thecount should be the value of count at time of execution.



documentclass[12pt]article

newcountercount

newcommandtestexpandafterdefcsname cthecountendcsnameNumber thecount~

begindocument

setcountercount1
test
setcountercount2
test
setcountercount3
test

csname c1endcsname
csname c2endcsname
csname c3endcsname

enddocument


This outputs: "Number 3 Number 3 Number 3". I believe this means that thecount in the output of test was not expanded during each test.



How can I fix this to display "Number 1 Number 2 Number 3" as intended? I'm unsure how to use expandafter for this, my attempts keep breaking everything. I relatively new to this sort of LaTeX, so I'd appreciate any help on this matter.










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    Replace the def by edef. You want the thecount to be expanded at the time it's defined, otherwise thecount will take the value of the counter at the time it's used

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I define a command test that does nothing but define a control sequence c[count], where [count] is the current text value of the counter count at the time test is executed. I want c[count] to output the text "Number thecount", where thecount should be the value of count at time of execution.



documentclass[12pt]article

newcountercount

newcommandtestexpandafterdefcsname cthecountendcsnameNumber thecount~

begindocument

setcountercount1
test
setcountercount2
test
setcountercount3
test

csname c1endcsname
csname c2endcsname
csname c3endcsname

enddocument


This outputs: "Number 3 Number 3 Number 3". I believe this means that thecount in the output of test was not expanded during each test.



How can I fix this to display "Number 1 Number 2 Number 3" as intended? I'm unsure how to use expandafter for this, my attempts keep breaking everything. I relatively new to this sort of LaTeX, so I'd appreciate any help on this matter.










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    Replace the def by edef. You want the thecount to be expanded at the time it's defined, otherwise thecount will take the value of the counter at the time it's used

    – Phelype Oleinik
    9 hours ago











  • @PhelypeOleinik Thank you!

    – greenturtle3141
    9 hours ago













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I define a command test that does nothing but define a control sequence c[count], where [count] is the current text value of the counter count at the time test is executed. I want c[count] to output the text "Number thecount", where thecount should be the value of count at time of execution.



documentclass[12pt]article

newcountercount

newcommandtestexpandafterdefcsname cthecountendcsnameNumber thecount~

begindocument

setcountercount1
test
setcountercount2
test
setcountercount3
test

csname c1endcsname
csname c2endcsname
csname c3endcsname

enddocument


This outputs: "Number 3 Number 3 Number 3". I believe this means that thecount in the output of test was not expanded during each test.



How can I fix this to display "Number 1 Number 2 Number 3" as intended? I'm unsure how to use expandafter for this, my attempts keep breaking everything. I relatively new to this sort of LaTeX, so I'd appreciate any help on this matter.










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I define a command test that does nothing but define a control sequence c[count], where [count] is the current text value of the counter count at the time test is executed. I want c[count] to output the text "Number thecount", where thecount should be the value of count at time of execution.



documentclass[12pt]article

newcountercount

newcommandtestexpandafterdefcsname cthecountendcsnameNumber thecount~

begindocument

setcountercount1
test
setcountercount2
test
setcountercount3
test

csname c1endcsname
csname c2endcsname
csname c3endcsname

enddocument


This outputs: "Number 3 Number 3 Number 3". I believe this means that thecount in the output of test was not expanded during each test.



How can I fix this to display "Number 1 Number 2 Number 3" as intended? I'm unsure how to use expandafter for this, my attempts keep breaking everything. I relatively new to this sort of LaTeX, so I'd appreciate any help on this matter.







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  • 3





    Replace the def by edef. You want the thecount to be expanded at the time it's defined, otherwise thecount will take the value of the counter at the time it's used

    – Phelype Oleinik
    9 hours ago











  • @PhelypeOleinik Thank you!

    – greenturtle3141
    9 hours ago












  • 3





    Replace the def by edef. You want the thecount to be expanded at the time it's defined, otherwise thecount will take the value of the counter at the time it's used

    – Phelype Oleinik
    9 hours ago











  • @PhelypeOleinik Thank you!

    – greenturtle3141
    9 hours ago







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Replace the def by edef. You want the thecount to be expanded at the time it's defined, otherwise thecount will take the value of the counter at the time it's used

– Phelype Oleinik
9 hours ago





Replace the def by edef. You want the thecount to be expanded at the time it's defined, otherwise thecount will take the value of the counter at the time it's used

– Phelype Oleinik
9 hours ago













@PhelypeOleinik Thank you!

– greenturtle3141
9 hours ago





@PhelypeOleinik Thank you!

– greenturtle3141
9 hours ago










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Let's see what happens.



  1. The replacement text of a macro is absorbed with no interpretation or macro expansion during def, except for the fact that explicit braces must be balanced, which is necessary for determining where the replacement text ends.


  2. When csname is being expanded, tokens are fully expanded until only unexpandable tokens remain, up to the matching endcsname.


So, if you do deffooNumber thecount, the replacement text will contain thecount which will be expanded after the expansion of foo upon usage. What's the macro name is completely irrelevant.



To the contrary, if the value of count is 1, expandafterdefcsname foothecountendcsnamewhatever will define the macro with name “foo1” (that cannot be accessed unless using csname or changing the category code of 1).



Note that a single expansion step on thecount will not produce 1, but just



@arabicc@count


because LaTeX by default will do defthecount@arabicc@count, so a single expandafter would not be sufficient: three expansion steps are necessary, because @arabic is defined as



> @arabic=macro:
#1->number #1.


and so another step is necessary to get the value in Arabic numerals.



However, @arabic is fully expandable, so you can use edef:



newcommandtestexpandafteredefcsname cthecountendcsnameNumber thecount~


because edef is the same as def, but the replacement text consists of the full expansion of the <balanced text> in the body of the definition.



Also



newcommandtest%
expandafterdefcsname cthecountexpandafterendcsnameexpandafter%
expandedNumber thecount~%
%



would work, because the trailing expandafter in csname is expanded, triggering the expansion of expandafter before {, which triggers the expansion of expanded. Of course edef is much simpler, but expanded can be useful in other cases.



Be careful with edef or expanded, because “dangerous” tokens might need noexpand.






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Let's see what happens.



  1. The replacement text of a macro is absorbed with no interpretation or macro expansion during def, except for the fact that explicit braces must be balanced, which is necessary for determining where the replacement text ends.


  2. When csname is being expanded, tokens are fully expanded until only unexpandable tokens remain, up to the matching endcsname.


So, if you do deffooNumber thecount, the replacement text will contain thecount which will be expanded after the expansion of foo upon usage. What's the macro name is completely irrelevant.



To the contrary, if the value of count is 1, expandafterdefcsname foothecountendcsnamewhatever will define the macro with name “foo1” (that cannot be accessed unless using csname or changing the category code of 1).



Note that a single expansion step on thecount will not produce 1, but just



@arabicc@count


because LaTeX by default will do defthecount@arabicc@count, so a single expandafter would not be sufficient: three expansion steps are necessary, because @arabic is defined as



> @arabic=macro:
#1->number #1.


and so another step is necessary to get the value in Arabic numerals.



However, @arabic is fully expandable, so you can use edef:



newcommandtestexpandafteredefcsname cthecountendcsnameNumber thecount~


because edef is the same as def, but the replacement text consists of the full expansion of the <balanced text> in the body of the definition.



Also



newcommandtest%
expandafterdefcsname cthecountexpandafterendcsnameexpandafter%
expandedNumber thecount~%
%



would work, because the trailing expandafter in csname is expanded, triggering the expansion of expandafter before {, which triggers the expansion of expanded. Of course edef is much simpler, but expanded can be useful in other cases.



Be careful with edef or expanded, because “dangerous” tokens might need noexpand.






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    – greenturtle3141
    47 mins ago















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Let's see what happens.



  1. The replacement text of a macro is absorbed with no interpretation or macro expansion during def, except for the fact that explicit braces must be balanced, which is necessary for determining where the replacement text ends.


  2. When csname is being expanded, tokens are fully expanded until only unexpandable tokens remain, up to the matching endcsname.


So, if you do deffooNumber thecount, the replacement text will contain thecount which will be expanded after the expansion of foo upon usage. What's the macro name is completely irrelevant.



To the contrary, if the value of count is 1, expandafterdefcsname foothecountendcsnamewhatever will define the macro with name “foo1” (that cannot be accessed unless using csname or changing the category code of 1).



Note that a single expansion step on thecount will not produce 1, but just



@arabicc@count


because LaTeX by default will do defthecount@arabicc@count, so a single expandafter would not be sufficient: three expansion steps are necessary, because @arabic is defined as



> @arabic=macro:
#1->number #1.


and so another step is necessary to get the value in Arabic numerals.



However, @arabic is fully expandable, so you can use edef:



newcommandtestexpandafteredefcsname cthecountendcsnameNumber thecount~


because edef is the same as def, but the replacement text consists of the full expansion of the <balanced text> in the body of the definition.



Also



newcommandtest%
expandafterdefcsname cthecountexpandafterendcsnameexpandafter%
expandedNumber thecount~%
%



would work, because the trailing expandafter in csname is expanded, triggering the expansion of expandafter before {, which triggers the expansion of expanded. Of course edef is much simpler, but expanded can be useful in other cases.



Be careful with edef or expanded, because “dangerous” tokens might need noexpand.






share|improve this answer



























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    – greenturtle3141
    47 mins ago













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Let's see what happens.



  1. The replacement text of a macro is absorbed with no interpretation or macro expansion during def, except for the fact that explicit braces must be balanced, which is necessary for determining where the replacement text ends.


  2. When csname is being expanded, tokens are fully expanded until only unexpandable tokens remain, up to the matching endcsname.


So, if you do deffooNumber thecount, the replacement text will contain thecount which will be expanded after the expansion of foo upon usage. What's the macro name is completely irrelevant.



To the contrary, if the value of count is 1, expandafterdefcsname foothecountendcsnamewhatever will define the macro with name “foo1” (that cannot be accessed unless using csname or changing the category code of 1).



Note that a single expansion step on thecount will not produce 1, but just



@arabicc@count


because LaTeX by default will do defthecount@arabicc@count, so a single expandafter would not be sufficient: three expansion steps are necessary, because @arabic is defined as



> @arabic=macro:
#1->number #1.


and so another step is necessary to get the value in Arabic numerals.



However, @arabic is fully expandable, so you can use edef:



newcommandtestexpandafteredefcsname cthecountendcsnameNumber thecount~


because edef is the same as def, but the replacement text consists of the full expansion of the <balanced text> in the body of the definition.



Also



newcommandtest%
expandafterdefcsname cthecountexpandafterendcsnameexpandafter%
expandedNumber thecount~%
%



would work, because the trailing expandafter in csname is expanded, triggering the expansion of expandafter before {, which triggers the expansion of expanded. Of course edef is much simpler, but expanded can be useful in other cases.



Be careful with edef or expanded, because “dangerous” tokens might need noexpand.






share|improve this answer















Let's see what happens.



  1. The replacement text of a macro is absorbed with no interpretation or macro expansion during def, except for the fact that explicit braces must be balanced, which is necessary for determining where the replacement text ends.


  2. When csname is being expanded, tokens are fully expanded until only unexpandable tokens remain, up to the matching endcsname.


So, if you do deffooNumber thecount, the replacement text will contain thecount which will be expanded after the expansion of foo upon usage. What's the macro name is completely irrelevant.



To the contrary, if the value of count is 1, expandafterdefcsname foothecountendcsnamewhatever will define the macro with name “foo1” (that cannot be accessed unless using csname or changing the category code of 1).



Note that a single expansion step on thecount will not produce 1, but just



@arabicc@count


because LaTeX by default will do defthecount@arabicc@count, so a single expandafter would not be sufficient: three expansion steps are necessary, because @arabic is defined as



> @arabic=macro:
#1->number #1.


and so another step is necessary to get the value in Arabic numerals.



However, @arabic is fully expandable, so you can use edef:



newcommandtestexpandafteredefcsname cthecountendcsnameNumber thecount~


because edef is the same as def, but the replacement text consists of the full expansion of the <balanced text> in the body of the definition.



Also



newcommandtest%
expandafterdefcsname cthecountexpandafterendcsnameexpandafter%
expandedNumber thecount~%
%



would work, because the trailing expandafter in csname is expanded, triggering the expansion of expandafter before {, which triggers the expansion of expanded. Of course edef is much simpler, but expanded can be useful in other cases.



Be careful with edef or expanded, because “dangerous” tokens might need noexpand.







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