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Say, I pay for a broadcasting service, and lets say due some circumstances I miss it.
Does the original copyright (or the fact that it allowed me to watch it), allow me to source the content elsewhere?
I in no way am sharing the content that was aquired elsewhere. Edit: likely 1 time viewing and being deleted afterwards.
Edit: I know the alternative source is infringing copyright. But does that have any effect on me?
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Say, I pay for a broadcasting service, and lets say due some circumstances I miss it.
Does the original copyright (or the fact that it allowed me to watch it), allow me to source the content elsewhere?
I in no way am sharing the content that was aquired elsewhere. Edit: likely 1 time viewing and being deleted afterwards.
Edit: I know the alternative source is infringing copyright. But does that have any effect on me?
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Say, I pay for a broadcasting service, and lets say due some circumstances I miss it.
Does the original copyright (or the fact that it allowed me to watch it), allow me to source the content elsewhere?
I in no way am sharing the content that was aquired elsewhere. Edit: likely 1 time viewing and being deleted afterwards.
Edit: I know the alternative source is infringing copyright. But does that have any effect on me?
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Say, I pay for a broadcasting service, and lets say due some circumstances I miss it.
Does the original copyright (or the fact that it allowed me to watch it), allow me to source the content elsewhere?
I in no way am sharing the content that was aquired elsewhere. Edit: likely 1 time viewing and being deleted afterwards.
Edit: I know the alternative source is infringing copyright. But does that have any effect on me?
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No, you may not legally get the content elsewhere: that is a violation of copyright law. When I create content that I want money for, I negotiate with a distributor such as TW, and I grant TW a license to make my stuff available. The license can have all sorts of terms in it, for example conditions on where and when it can be distributed, and how much TW must pay me per user. Such content usually has some requirement of keeping track of how many viewers there are. TW gets permission to copy my stuff in exchange for something valuable – we have a contract.
I have no contract with you. You have a contract with TW. Your contract with TW may allow you to watch the stuff once, or any number of times between certain times. TW cannot grant you the right to watch stuff that some other party also happens to make available (be it legally or illegally). Your right to watch at the scheduled time depends on a chain of rightful permissions, where TW can legally distribute because of their contract with me, and you can legally watch
on TW because of your contract with them. The pirate source has no legal right to my stuff, so you cannot gain a legal right to my stuff from them.
Also FYI in the US there is no legal defense "I didn't know that the pirate source was distributing illegally" (known as "innocent infringement").
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I'm not sure this is correct, given the reasoning of the time-shifting cases.
– bdb484
6 hours ago
Thanks. Your last point is moot. I ask exactly the opposite. I am fully aware of the source. In the end I just want to get what I paid for where my service could not provide it.
– leppie
6 hours ago
Honestly, from a copyright point of view, I have the right to watch it as I have paid for it. Again, the issue is not the source whether they have or not broken copyright. The right to watch/consume the content was given given to me from a legitimate copyright holder.
– leppie
5 hours ago
3
You paid for a package of gum from Target but forgot to put it in your bag. So you went to Kmart and took that same type of gum because you paid for it.
– George White
4 hours ago
1
@leppie you did get what you paid for. You were able to watch at the time it was broadcast. They didn't fail to make it available, you failed to watch it, which is your problem, not TWs.
– Andy
1 hour ago
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No
This is not a copyright issue as you are not making a copy (save for a transient one in your cache which is allowed). You are allowed to record it for personal time-shifting as that is fair use/dealing.
The broadcaster either owns the copyright (unlikely) or has a contract with the copyright holder that allows them to broadcast it. Assuming the broadcaster chooses or is not permitted to subsequently stream it, if you miss it, you miss it. Your contract with the broadcaster is over. Their obligation was to make the broadcast available to you, yours was to pay for it - nobody is obliged to watch it.
You can, of course, seek the content from any other legal sources, complying with their terms including payment if necessary.
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No, you may not legally get the content elsewhere: that is a violation of copyright law. When I create content that I want money for, I negotiate with a distributor such as TW, and I grant TW a license to make my stuff available. The license can have all sorts of terms in it, for example conditions on where and when it can be distributed, and how much TW must pay me per user. Such content usually has some requirement of keeping track of how many viewers there are. TW gets permission to copy my stuff in exchange for something valuable – we have a contract.
I have no contract with you. You have a contract with TW. Your contract with TW may allow you to watch the stuff once, or any number of times between certain times. TW cannot grant you the right to watch stuff that some other party also happens to make available (be it legally or illegally). Your right to watch at the scheduled time depends on a chain of rightful permissions, where TW can legally distribute because of their contract with me, and you can legally watch
on TW because of your contract with them. The pirate source has no legal right to my stuff, so you cannot gain a legal right to my stuff from them.
Also FYI in the US there is no legal defense "I didn't know that the pirate source was distributing illegally" (known as "innocent infringement").
answered 7 hours ago
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I'm not sure this is correct, given the reasoning of the time-shifting cases.
– bdb484
6 hours ago
Thanks. Your last point is moot. I ask exactly the opposite. I am fully aware of the source. In the end I just want to get what I paid for where my service could not provide it.
– leppie
6 hours ago
Honestly, from a copyright point of view, I have the right to watch it as I have paid for it. Again, the issue is not the source whether they have or not broken copyright. The right to watch/consume the content was given given to me from a legitimate copyright holder.
– leppie
5 hours ago
3
You paid for a package of gum from Target but forgot to put it in your bag. So you went to Kmart and took that same type of gum because you paid for it.
– George White
4 hours ago
1
@leppie you did get what you paid for. You were able to watch at the time it was broadcast. They didn't fail to make it available, you failed to watch it, which is your problem, not TWs.
– Andy
1 hour ago
|
show 3 more comments
No, you may not legally get the content elsewhere: that is a violation of copyright law. When I create content that I want money for, I negotiate with a distributor such as TW, and I grant TW a license to make my stuff available. The license can have all sorts of terms in it, for example conditions on where and when it can be distributed, and how much TW must pay me per user. Such content usually has some requirement of keeping track of how many viewers there are. TW gets permission to copy my stuff in exchange for something valuable – we have a contract.
I have no contract with you. You have a contract with TW. Your contract with TW may allow you to watch the stuff once, or any number of times between certain times. TW cannot grant you the right to watch stuff that some other party also happens to make available (be it legally or illegally). Your right to watch at the scheduled time depends on a chain of rightful permissions, where TW can legally distribute because of their contract with me, and you can legally watch
on TW because of your contract with them. The pirate source has no legal right to my stuff, so you cannot gain a legal right to my stuff from them.
Also FYI in the US there is no legal defense "I didn't know that the pirate source was distributing illegally" (known as "innocent infringement").
answered 7 hours ago
user6726user6726
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I'm not sure this is correct, given the reasoning of the time-shifting cases.
– bdb484
6 hours ago
Thanks. Your last point is moot. I ask exactly the opposite. I am fully aware of the source. In the end I just want to get what I paid for where my service could not provide it.
– leppie
6 hours ago
Honestly, from a copyright point of view, I have the right to watch it as I have paid for it. Again, the issue is not the source whether they have or not broken copyright. The right to watch/consume the content was given given to me from a legitimate copyright holder.
– leppie
5 hours ago
3
You paid for a package of gum from Target but forgot to put it in your bag. So you went to Kmart and took that same type of gum because you paid for it.
– George White
4 hours ago
1
@leppie you did get what you paid for. You were able to watch at the time it was broadcast. They didn't fail to make it available, you failed to watch it, which is your problem, not TWs.
– Andy
1 hour ago
|
show 3 more comments
No, you may not legally get the content elsewhere: that is a violation of copyright law. When I create content that I want money for, I negotiate with a distributor such as TW, and I grant TW a license to make my stuff available. The license can have all sorts of terms in it, for example conditions on where and when it can be distributed, and how much TW must pay me per user. Such content usually has some requirement of keeping track of how many viewers there are. TW gets permission to copy my stuff in exchange for something valuable – we have a contract.
I have no contract with you. You have a contract with TW. Your contract with TW may allow you to watch the stuff once, or any number of times between certain times. TW cannot grant you the right to watch stuff that some other party also happens to make available (be it legally or illegally). Your right to watch at the scheduled time depends on a chain of rightful permissions, where TW can legally distribute because of their contract with me, and you can legally watch
on TW because of your contract with them. The pirate source has no legal right to my stuff, so you cannot gain a legal right to my stuff from them.
Also FYI in the US there is no legal defense "I didn't know that the pirate source was distributing illegally" (known as "innocent infringement").
answered 7 hours ago
user6726user6726
71.8k4 gold badges84 silver badges140 bronze badges
No, you may not legally get the content elsewhere: that is a violation of copyright law. When I create content that I want money for, I negotiate with a distributor such as TW, and I grant TW a license to make my stuff available. The license can have all sorts of terms in it, for example conditions on where and when it can be distributed, and how much TW must pay me per user. Such content usually has some requirement of keeping track of how many viewers there are. TW gets permission to copy my stuff in exchange for something valuable – we have a contract.
I have no contract with you. You have a contract with TW. Your contract with TW may allow you to watch the stuff once, or any number of times between certain times. TW cannot grant you the right to watch stuff that some other party also happens to make available (be it legally or illegally). Your right to watch at the scheduled time depends on a chain of rightful permissions, where TW can legally distribute because of their contract with me, and you can legally watch
on TW because of your contract with them. The pirate source has no legal right to my stuff, so you cannot gain a legal right to my stuff from them.
Also FYI in the US there is no legal defense "I didn't know that the pirate source was distributing illegally" (known as "innocent infringement").
answered 7 hours ago
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I'm not sure this is correct, given the reasoning of the time-shifting cases.
– bdb484
6 hours ago
Thanks. Your last point is moot. I ask exactly the opposite. I am fully aware of the source. In the end I just want to get what I paid for where my service could not provide it.
– leppie
6 hours ago
Honestly, from a copyright point of view, I have the right to watch it as I have paid for it. Again, the issue is not the source whether they have or not broken copyright. The right to watch/consume the content was given given to me from a legitimate copyright holder.
– leppie
5 hours ago
3
You paid for a package of gum from Target but forgot to put it in your bag. So you went to Kmart and took that same type of gum because you paid for it.
– George White
4 hours ago
1
@leppie you did get what you paid for. You were able to watch at the time it was broadcast. They didn't fail to make it available, you failed to watch it, which is your problem, not TWs.
– Andy
1 hour ago
|
show 3 more comments
1
I'm not sure this is correct, given the reasoning of the time-shifting cases.
– bdb484
6 hours ago
Thanks. Your last point is moot. I ask exactly the opposite. I am fully aware of the source. In the end I just want to get what I paid for where my service could not provide it.
– leppie
6 hours ago
Honestly, from a copyright point of view, I have the right to watch it as I have paid for it. Again, the issue is not the source whether they have or not broken copyright. The right to watch/consume the content was given given to me from a legitimate copyright holder.
– leppie
5 hours ago
3
You paid for a package of gum from Target but forgot to put it in your bag. So you went to Kmart and took that same type of gum because you paid for it.
– George White
4 hours ago
1
@leppie you did get what you paid for. You were able to watch at the time it was broadcast. They didn't fail to make it available, you failed to watch it, which is your problem, not TWs.
– Andy
1 hour ago
1
1
I'm not sure this is correct, given the reasoning of the time-shifting cases.
– bdb484
6 hours ago
I'm not sure this is correct, given the reasoning of the time-shifting cases.
– bdb484
6 hours ago
Thanks. Your last point is moot. I ask exactly the opposite. I am fully aware of the source. In the end I just want to get what I paid for where my service could not provide it.
– leppie
6 hours ago
Thanks. Your last point is moot. I ask exactly the opposite. I am fully aware of the source. In the end I just want to get what I paid for where my service could not provide it.
– leppie
6 hours ago
Honestly, from a copyright point of view, I have the right to watch it as I have paid for it. Again, the issue is not the source whether they have or not broken copyright. The right to watch/consume the content was given given to me from a legitimate copyright holder.
– leppie
5 hours ago
Honestly, from a copyright point of view, I have the right to watch it as I have paid for it. Again, the issue is not the source whether they have or not broken copyright. The right to watch/consume the content was given given to me from a legitimate copyright holder.
– leppie
5 hours ago
3
3
You paid for a package of gum from Target but forgot to put it in your bag. So you went to Kmart and took that same type of gum because you paid for it.
– George White
4 hours ago
You paid for a package of gum from Target but forgot to put it in your bag. So you went to Kmart and took that same type of gum because you paid for it.
– George White
4 hours ago
1
1
@leppie you did get what you paid for. You were able to watch at the time it was broadcast. They didn't fail to make it available, you failed to watch it, which is your problem, not TWs.
– Andy
1 hour ago
@leppie you did get what you paid for. You were able to watch at the time it was broadcast. They didn't fail to make it available, you failed to watch it, which is your problem, not TWs.
– Andy
1 hour ago
|
show 3 more comments
No
This is not a copyright issue as you are not making a copy (save for a transient one in your cache which is allowed). You are allowed to record it for personal time-shifting as that is fair use/dealing.
The broadcaster either owns the copyright (unlikely) or has a contract with the copyright holder that allows them to broadcast it. Assuming the broadcaster chooses or is not permitted to subsequently stream it, if you miss it, you miss it. Your contract with the broadcaster is over. Their obligation was to make the broadcast available to you, yours was to pay for it - nobody is obliged to watch it.
You can, of course, seek the content from any other legal sources, complying with their terms including payment if necessary.
answered 3 hours ago
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No
This is not a copyright issue as you are not making a copy (save for a transient one in your cache which is allowed). You are allowed to record it for personal time-shifting as that is fair use/dealing.
The broadcaster either owns the copyright (unlikely) or has a contract with the copyright holder that allows them to broadcast it. Assuming the broadcaster chooses or is not permitted to subsequently stream it, if you miss it, you miss it. Your contract with the broadcaster is over. Their obligation was to make the broadcast available to you, yours was to pay for it - nobody is obliged to watch it.
You can, of course, seek the content from any other legal sources, complying with their terms including payment if necessary.
answered 3 hours ago
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No
This is not a copyright issue as you are not making a copy (save for a transient one in your cache which is allowed). You are allowed to record it for personal time-shifting as that is fair use/dealing.
The broadcaster either owns the copyright (unlikely) or has a contract with the copyright holder that allows them to broadcast it. Assuming the broadcaster chooses or is not permitted to subsequently stream it, if you miss it, you miss it. Your contract with the broadcaster is over. Their obligation was to make the broadcast available to you, yours was to pay for it - nobody is obliged to watch it.
You can, of course, seek the content from any other legal sources, complying with their terms including payment if necessary.
answered 3 hours ago
Dale M♦Dale M
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No
This is not a copyright issue as you are not making a copy (save for a transient one in your cache which is allowed). You are allowed to record it for personal time-shifting as that is fair use/dealing.
The broadcaster either owns the copyright (unlikely) or has a contract with the copyright holder that allows them to broadcast it. Assuming the broadcaster chooses or is not permitted to subsequently stream it, if you miss it, you miss it. Your contract with the broadcaster is over. Their obligation was to make the broadcast available to you, yours was to pay for it - nobody is obliged to watch it.
You can, of course, seek the content from any other legal sources, complying with their terms including payment if necessary.
answered 3 hours ago
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