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The few instances of clones being used in the Star Trek series have been seen to have usually negative implications. And the artificial heart used to replace Picard's original organ (which was injured in a bar fight while he was in Star Fleet Academy decades before) is a bionic organ which seems to be what he still has been using well into his captaincy.
This raises the question as to why a new biological organ wasn't replicated. It could be that the bionic organs were simply seen as more efficient... but I suspect it may be possible that cloning organs alone may be frowned upon, let alone cloning a whole person. This may at least be the case within the Federation.
Is there any information to confirm this?
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The few instances of clones being used in the Star Trek series have been seen to have usually negative implications. And the artificial heart used to replace Picard's original organ (which was injured in a bar fight while he was in Star Fleet Academy decades before) is a bionic organ which seems to be what he still has been using well into his captaincy.
This raises the question as to why a new biological organ wasn't replicated. It could be that the bionic organs were simply seen as more efficient... but I suspect it may be possible that cloning organs alone may be frowned upon, let alone cloning a whole person. This may at least be the case within the Federation.
Is there any information to confirm this?
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There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
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@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Wikis
14 hours ago
@Valorum That was a transporter accident, though, not really "Cloning". But it does highlight the point: if the Federation has no real issue with it, why don't we see it done for medical procedures or more spoken off? The only civilization I saw that it was heavily used in was the one that tried to steal Riker and Dr. Polasky's DNA. The crew seemed to respect their culture, but it was inferred that this was still seen as a less than ideal form of continuance for a species/people.
– Russ Rainford
14 hours ago
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@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
13 hours ago
@Rebel-Scum That's exactly what I mean, though! Using a tissue or DNA sample to clone or regrow an organ shouldn't be a major issue, but it makes little sense [unless the tech organs are simply better]. So why then [plot contrivance aside] would a mechanical heart be more used, instead of just "growing him" a new one?
– Russ Rainford
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The few instances of clones being used in the Star Trek series have been seen to have usually negative implications. And the artificial heart used to replace Picard's original organ (which was injured in a bar fight while he was in Star Fleet Academy decades before) is a bionic organ which seems to be what he still has been using well into his captaincy.
This raises the question as to why a new biological organ wasn't replicated. It could be that the bionic organs were simply seen as more efficient... but I suspect it may be possible that cloning organs alone may be frowned upon, let alone cloning a whole person. This may at least be the case within the Federation.
Is there any information to confirm this?
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The few instances of clones being used in the Star Trek series have been seen to have usually negative implications. And the artificial heart used to replace Picard's original organ (which was injured in a bar fight while he was in Star Fleet Academy decades before) is a bionic organ which seems to be what he still has been using well into his captaincy.
This raises the question as to why a new biological organ wasn't replicated. It could be that the bionic organs were simply seen as more efficient... but I suspect it may be possible that cloning organs alone may be frowned upon, let alone cloning a whole person. This may at least be the case within the Federation.
Is there any information to confirm this?
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There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
14 hours ago
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@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Wikis
14 hours ago
@Valorum That was a transporter accident, though, not really "Cloning". But it does highlight the point: if the Federation has no real issue with it, why don't we see it done for medical procedures or more spoken off? The only civilization I saw that it was heavily used in was the one that tried to steal Riker and Dr. Polasky's DNA. The crew seemed to respect their culture, but it was inferred that this was still seen as a less than ideal form of continuance for a species/people.
– Russ Rainford
14 hours ago
1
@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
13 hours ago
@Rebel-Scum That's exactly what I mean, though! Using a tissue or DNA sample to clone or regrow an organ shouldn't be a major issue, but it makes little sense [unless the tech organs are simply better]. So why then [plot contrivance aside] would a mechanical heart be more used, instead of just "growing him" a new one?
– Russ Rainford
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There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
14 hours ago
1
@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Wikis
14 hours ago
@Valorum That was a transporter accident, though, not really "Cloning". But it does highlight the point: if the Federation has no real issue with it, why don't we see it done for medical procedures or more spoken off? The only civilization I saw that it was heavily used in was the one that tried to steal Riker and Dr. Polasky's DNA. The crew seemed to respect their culture, but it was inferred that this was still seen as a less than ideal form of continuance for a species/people.
– Russ Rainford
14 hours ago
1
@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
13 hours ago
@Rebel-Scum That's exactly what I mean, though! Using a tissue or DNA sample to clone or regrow an organ shouldn't be a major issue, but it makes little sense [unless the tech organs are simply better]. So why then [plot contrivance aside] would a mechanical heart be more used, instead of just "growing him" a new one?
– Russ Rainford
12 hours ago
1
1
There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
14 hours ago
There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
14 hours ago
1
1
@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Wikis
14 hours ago
@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Wikis
14 hours ago
@Valorum That was a transporter accident, though, not really "Cloning". But it does highlight the point: if the Federation has no real issue with it, why don't we see it done for medical procedures or more spoken off? The only civilization I saw that it was heavily used in was the one that tried to steal Riker and Dr. Polasky's DNA. The crew seemed to respect their culture, but it was inferred that this was still seen as a less than ideal form of continuance for a species/people.
– Russ Rainford
14 hours ago
@Valorum That was a transporter accident, though, not really "Cloning". But it does highlight the point: if the Federation has no real issue with it, why don't we see it done for medical procedures or more spoken off? The only civilization I saw that it was heavily used in was the one that tried to steal Riker and Dr. Polasky's DNA. The crew seemed to respect their culture, but it was inferred that this was still seen as a less than ideal form of continuance for a species/people.
– Russ Rainford
14 hours ago
1
1
@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
13 hours ago
@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
13 hours ago
@Rebel-Scum That's exactly what I mean, though! Using a tissue or DNA sample to clone or regrow an organ shouldn't be a major issue, but it makes little sense [unless the tech organs are simply better]. So why then [plot contrivance aside] would a mechanical heart be more used, instead of just "growing him" a new one?
– Russ Rainford
12 hours ago
@Rebel-Scum That's exactly what I mean, though! Using a tissue or DNA sample to clone or regrow an organ shouldn't be a major issue, but it makes little sense [unless the tech organs are simply better]. So why then [plot contrivance aside] would a mechanical heart be more used, instead of just "growing him" a new one?
– Russ Rainford
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Bajor is a (potential) member of the Federation. Ibudan, a Bajora, makes a clone in his quarters. Sisko and Bashir don't seem to have any problem with this whatsoever, nor do they seem intent on charging him with 'Felony Clonemaking' along with his murder rap.
ODO: (re: the new clone) What happens to this one?
BASHIR: In about two days, he becomes a living, breathing member of Bajoran society.
DS9: A Man Alone
The Federation is comprised of lots of planets, all with their own laws. From what I can recall, nobody ever raises a complaint about clones or cloning per se, only that they personally don't want to be cloned (as in TNG: Up the Long Ladder). Similarly, an incomplete clone doesn't appear to have any legal rights until it's activated, but once it gains consciousness it has all the rights of a Federation (or in this case, Bajoran) citizen.
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Bajor is a (potential) member of the Federation. Ibudan, a Bajora, makes a clone in his quarters. Sisko and Bashir don't seem to have any problem with this whatsoever, nor do they seem intent on charging him with 'Felony Clonemaking' along with his murder rap.
ODO: (re: the new clone) What happens to this one?
BASHIR: In about two days, he becomes a living, breathing member of Bajoran society.
DS9: A Man Alone
The Federation is comprised of lots of planets, all with their own laws. From what I can recall, nobody ever raises a complaint about clones or cloning per se, only that they personally don't want to be cloned (as in TNG: Up the Long Ladder). Similarly, an incomplete clone doesn't appear to have any legal rights until it's activated, but once it gains consciousness it has all the rights of a Federation (or in this case, Bajoran) citizen.
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Bajor is a (potential) member of the Federation. Ibudan, a Bajora, makes a clone in his quarters. Sisko and Bashir don't seem to have any problem with this whatsoever, nor do they seem intent on charging him with 'Felony Clonemaking' along with his murder rap.
ODO: (re: the new clone) What happens to this one?
BASHIR: In about two days, he becomes a living, breathing member of Bajoran society.
DS9: A Man Alone
The Federation is comprised of lots of planets, all with their own laws. From what I can recall, nobody ever raises a complaint about clones or cloning per se, only that they personally don't want to be cloned (as in TNG: Up the Long Ladder). Similarly, an incomplete clone doesn't appear to have any legal rights until it's activated, but once it gains consciousness it has all the rights of a Federation (or in this case, Bajoran) citizen.
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Bajor is a (potential) member of the Federation. Ibudan, a Bajora, makes a clone in his quarters. Sisko and Bashir don't seem to have any problem with this whatsoever, nor do they seem intent on charging him with 'Felony Clonemaking' along with his murder rap.
ODO: (re: the new clone) What happens to this one?
BASHIR: In about two days, he becomes a living, breathing member of Bajoran society.
DS9: A Man Alone
The Federation is comprised of lots of planets, all with their own laws. From what I can recall, nobody ever raises a complaint about clones or cloning per se, only that they personally don't want to be cloned (as in TNG: Up the Long Ladder). Similarly, an incomplete clone doesn't appear to have any legal rights until it's activated, but once it gains consciousness it has all the rights of a Federation (or in this case, Bajoran) citizen.
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Bajor is a (potential) member of the Federation. Ibudan, a Bajora, makes a clone in his quarters. Sisko and Bashir don't seem to have any problem with this whatsoever, nor do they seem intent on charging him with 'Felony Clonemaking' along with his murder rap.
ODO: (re: the new clone) What happens to this one?
BASHIR: In about two days, he becomes a living, breathing member of Bajoran society.
DS9: A Man Alone
The Federation is comprised of lots of planets, all with their own laws. From what I can recall, nobody ever raises a complaint about clones or cloning per se, only that they personally don't want to be cloned (as in TNG: Up the Long Ladder). Similarly, an incomplete clone doesn't appear to have any legal rights until it's activated, but once it gains consciousness it has all the rights of a Federation (or in this case, Bajoran) citizen.
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There's really no good evidence that the Federation frown on cloning per se. Individuals like Riker don't seem to like it on a personal basis; memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Clone
– Valorum
14 hours ago
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@Valorum: ironic since he was cloned, kind of.
– Wikis
14 hours ago
@Valorum That was a transporter accident, though, not really "Cloning". But it does highlight the point: if the Federation has no real issue with it, why don't we see it done for medical procedures or more spoken off? The only civilization I saw that it was heavily used in was the one that tried to steal Riker and Dr. Polasky's DNA. The crew seemed to respect their culture, but it was inferred that this was still seen as a less than ideal form of continuance for a species/people.
– Russ Rainford
14 hours ago
1
@RussRainford While cloning per se might be ok, making clones to harvest them for organs probably is ethically reprehensible as the clones will be sentient beings. Cloning organs on the other hand should be ok, but it's never discussed as far as I remember.
– Rebel-Scum
13 hours ago
@Rebel-Scum That's exactly what I mean, though! Using a tissue or DNA sample to clone or regrow an organ shouldn't be a major issue, but it makes little sense [unless the tech organs are simply better]. So why then [plot contrivance aside] would a mechanical heart be more used, instead of just "growing him" a new one?
– Russ Rainford
12 hours ago