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Went on a velowagen with over 300 cyclists on a narrow countryside road. As cars began piling behind us, one of them started trying to pass in an incrasingly aggressive manner. At some point the left part of the road was free for a few meters and he started accelerating with the intent of klaxxonning his way into getting a free road as fast as he was moving.
To avoid a potential accident, my hotblooded reaction was to get in front of him and brake to force him to stop. After that and me nearly being runned over, the driver got out, almost started a fistight, and a shouting match in french and deutch followed between the two very angry of us, which very slowly allowed for a deescalation and a safe distance to the convoy.
In a similar situation, where a cyclist mass is blocking the road and drivers getting violent, how can the motorists be handled in a way that minimizes the risks ?
safety traffic bike-vs-car group-rides
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Went on a velowagen with over 300 cyclists on a narrow countryside road. As cars began piling behind us, one of them started trying to pass in an incrasingly aggressive manner. At some point the left part of the road was free for a few meters and he started accelerating with the intent of klaxxonning his way into getting a free road as fast as he was moving.
To avoid a potential accident, my hotblooded reaction was to get in front of him and brake to force him to stop. After that and me nearly being runned over, the driver got out, almost started a fistight, and a shouting match in french and deutch followed between the two very angry of us, which very slowly allowed for a deescalation and a safe distance to the convoy.
In a similar situation, where a cyclist mass is blocking the road and drivers getting violent, how can the motorists be handled in a way that minimizes the risks ?
safety traffic bike-vs-car group-rides
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In many European countries large groups of vehicles, or cyclists for that matter, have special rights. For example, overtaking traffic has to wait until they are permitted to pass by the rear guard.
– gschenk
7 hours ago
1
When I've been in large groups we always took care to separate the large group into smaller segments with room for a car or two in-between.
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
1
@gschenk - Who says they're not permitted into the gap?
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
2
I may be looking at this from a skewed perspective. I always thought the idea was to "share" the road. Would your perspective be different if you were driving an auto an came upon a farm vehicle going at a slow pace while taking up an entire lane? Then refusing to pull over while several dozen autos lined up behind.
– mikes
1 hour ago
1
@mikes A better example would be if you were a cyclist and a few hundred pedestrians were walking in the roadway.
– David Richerby
59 mins ago
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Went on a velowagen with over 300 cyclists on a narrow countryside road. As cars began piling behind us, one of them started trying to pass in an incrasingly aggressive manner. At some point the left part of the road was free for a few meters and he started accelerating with the intent of klaxxonning his way into getting a free road as fast as he was moving.
To avoid a potential accident, my hotblooded reaction was to get in front of him and brake to force him to stop. After that and me nearly being runned over, the driver got out, almost started a fistight, and a shouting match in french and deutch followed between the two very angry of us, which very slowly allowed for a deescalation and a safe distance to the convoy.
In a similar situation, where a cyclist mass is blocking the road and drivers getting violent, how can the motorists be handled in a way that minimizes the risks ?
safety traffic bike-vs-car group-rides
asked 8 hours ago
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Went on a velowagen with over 300 cyclists on a narrow countryside road. As cars began piling behind us, one of them started trying to pass in an incrasingly aggressive manner. At some point the left part of the road was free for a few meters and he started accelerating with the intent of klaxxonning his way into getting a free road as fast as he was moving.
To avoid a potential accident, my hotblooded reaction was to get in front of him and brake to force him to stop. After that and me nearly being runned over, the driver got out, almost started a fistight, and a shouting match in french and deutch followed between the two very angry of us, which very slowly allowed for a deescalation and a safe distance to the convoy.
In a similar situation, where a cyclist mass is blocking the road and drivers getting violent, how can the motorists be handled in a way that minimizes the risks ?
safety traffic bike-vs-car group-rides
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In many European countries large groups of vehicles, or cyclists for that matter, have special rights. For example, overtaking traffic has to wait until they are permitted to pass by the rear guard.
– gschenk
7 hours ago
1
When I've been in large groups we always took care to separate the large group into smaller segments with room for a car or two in-between.
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
1
@gschenk - Who says they're not permitted into the gap?
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
2
I may be looking at this from a skewed perspective. I always thought the idea was to "share" the road. Would your perspective be different if you were driving an auto an came upon a farm vehicle going at a slow pace while taking up an entire lane? Then refusing to pull over while several dozen autos lined up behind.
– mikes
1 hour ago
1
@mikes A better example would be if you were a cyclist and a few hundred pedestrians were walking in the roadway.
– David Richerby
59 mins ago
|
show 5 more comments
In many European countries large groups of vehicles, or cyclists for that matter, have special rights. For example, overtaking traffic has to wait until they are permitted to pass by the rear guard.
– gschenk
7 hours ago
1
When I've been in large groups we always took care to separate the large group into smaller segments with room for a car or two in-between.
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
1
@gschenk - Who says they're not permitted into the gap?
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
2
I may be looking at this from a skewed perspective. I always thought the idea was to "share" the road. Would your perspective be different if you were driving an auto an came upon a farm vehicle going at a slow pace while taking up an entire lane? Then refusing to pull over while several dozen autos lined up behind.
– mikes
1 hour ago
1
@mikes A better example would be if you were a cyclist and a few hundred pedestrians were walking in the roadway.
– David Richerby
59 mins ago
In many European countries large groups of vehicles, or cyclists for that matter, have special rights. For example, overtaking traffic has to wait until they are permitted to pass by the rear guard.
– gschenk
7 hours ago
In many European countries large groups of vehicles, or cyclists for that matter, have special rights. For example, overtaking traffic has to wait until they are permitted to pass by the rear guard.
– gschenk
7 hours ago
1
1
When I've been in large groups we always took care to separate the large group into smaller segments with room for a car or two in-between.
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
When I've been in large groups we always took care to separate the large group into smaller segments with room for a car or two in-between.
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
1
1
@gschenk - Who says they're not permitted into the gap?
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
@gschenk - Who says they're not permitted into the gap?
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
2
2
I may be looking at this from a skewed perspective. I always thought the idea was to "share" the road. Would your perspective be different if you were driving an auto an came upon a farm vehicle going at a slow pace while taking up an entire lane? Then refusing to pull over while several dozen autos lined up behind.
– mikes
1 hour ago
I may be looking at this from a skewed perspective. I always thought the idea was to "share" the road. Would your perspective be different if you were driving an auto an came upon a farm vehicle going at a slow pace while taking up an entire lane? Then refusing to pull over while several dozen autos lined up behind.
– mikes
1 hour ago
1
1
@mikes A better example would be if you were a cyclist and a few hundred pedestrians were walking in the roadway.
– David Richerby
59 mins ago
@mikes A better example would be if you were a cyclist and a few hundred pedestrians were walking in the roadway.
– David Richerby
59 mins ago
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Don't create the situation in the first place. Every large event I've ever been on would either have the roads closed down, or send the riders out in waves so as not to create a situation where a car would have to pass so many cyclists at once.
Obviously the guy in the car was in the wrong, but there are still things that can be done to prevent the situation in the first place. Forming a defacto blockade on the road isn't really in anybody's best interest.
answered 6 hours ago
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On some roads all you need it 4-5 riders to create a group too large to allow partial passing. There are many places on roads where it's completely unsafe for a single rider to allow a car to try to pass.
– Andrew Henle
5 hours ago
1
@AndrewHenle On some parts of some roads, yes. However, a small group can periodically pull to the side of the road to allow traffic to pass, something which is essentially impossible for a large group. Especially a group that's twice the size (and probably a half to a quarter of the speed) of a grand tour peloton.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
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To avoid a potential accident, my hotblooded reaction was to get in front of him and brake to force him to stop
There's nothing hotblooded at all about that reaction, even if you were angry or otherwise agitated by the driver's actions.
You acted in a perfectly rational manner to prevent an accident that would be life-threatening for any cyclist hit.
You prevented a !()%#! from being a deadly dangerous @!&(%$&!.
Your best option is to get an HD camera and video such interactions - and make clear in some manner that the motorist is being filmed.
Aggressive, angry (!*&@$&s tend to start behaving once they know their actions are being recorded for replay on YouTube and for law enforcement.
answered 7 hours ago
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Don't create the situation in the first place. Every large event I've ever been on would either have the roads closed down, or send the riders out in waves so as not to create a situation where a car would have to pass so many cyclists at once.
Obviously the guy in the car was in the wrong, but there are still things that can be done to prevent the situation in the first place. Forming a defacto blockade on the road isn't really in anybody's best interest.
answered 6 hours ago
KibbeeKibbee
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On some roads all you need it 4-5 riders to create a group too large to allow partial passing. There are many places on roads where it's completely unsafe for a single rider to allow a car to try to pass.
– Andrew Henle
5 hours ago
1
@AndrewHenle On some parts of some roads, yes. However, a small group can periodically pull to the side of the road to allow traffic to pass, something which is essentially impossible for a large group. Especially a group that's twice the size (and probably a half to a quarter of the speed) of a grand tour peloton.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
add a comment
|
Don't create the situation in the first place. Every large event I've ever been on would either have the roads closed down, or send the riders out in waves so as not to create a situation where a car would have to pass so many cyclists at once.
Obviously the guy in the car was in the wrong, but there are still things that can be done to prevent the situation in the first place. Forming a defacto blockade on the road isn't really in anybody's best interest.
answered 6 hours ago
KibbeeKibbee
17.3k9 gold badges55 silver badges93 bronze badges
On some roads all you need it 4-5 riders to create a group too large to allow partial passing. There are many places on roads where it's completely unsafe for a single rider to allow a car to try to pass.
– Andrew Henle
5 hours ago
1
@AndrewHenle On some parts of some roads, yes. However, a small group can periodically pull to the side of the road to allow traffic to pass, something which is essentially impossible for a large group. Especially a group that's twice the size (and probably a half to a quarter of the speed) of a grand tour peloton.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
add a comment
|
Don't create the situation in the first place. Every large event I've ever been on would either have the roads closed down, or send the riders out in waves so as not to create a situation where a car would have to pass so many cyclists at once.
Obviously the guy in the car was in the wrong, but there are still things that can be done to prevent the situation in the first place. Forming a defacto blockade on the road isn't really in anybody's best interest.
answered 6 hours ago
KibbeeKibbee
17.3k9 gold badges55 silver badges93 bronze badges
Don't create the situation in the first place. Every large event I've ever been on would either have the roads closed down, or send the riders out in waves so as not to create a situation where a car would have to pass so many cyclists at once.
Obviously the guy in the car was in the wrong, but there are still things that can be done to prevent the situation in the first place. Forming a defacto blockade on the road isn't really in anybody's best interest.
answered 6 hours ago
KibbeeKibbee
17.3k9 gold badges55 silver badges93 bronze badges
answered 6 hours ago
KibbeeKibbee
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answered 6 hours ago
KibbeeKibbee
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answered 6 hours ago
KibbeeKibbee
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On some roads all you need it 4-5 riders to create a group too large to allow partial passing. There are many places on roads where it's completely unsafe for a single rider to allow a car to try to pass.
– Andrew Henle
5 hours ago
1
@AndrewHenle On some parts of some roads, yes. However, a small group can periodically pull to the side of the road to allow traffic to pass, something which is essentially impossible for a large group. Especially a group that's twice the size (and probably a half to a quarter of the speed) of a grand tour peloton.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
add a comment
|
On some roads all you need it 4-5 riders to create a group too large to allow partial passing. There are many places on roads where it's completely unsafe for a single rider to allow a car to try to pass.
– Andrew Henle
5 hours ago
1
@AndrewHenle On some parts of some roads, yes. However, a small group can periodically pull to the side of the road to allow traffic to pass, something which is essentially impossible for a large group. Especially a group that's twice the size (and probably a half to a quarter of the speed) of a grand tour peloton.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
On some roads all you need it 4-5 riders to create a group too large to allow partial passing. There are many places on roads where it's completely unsafe for a single rider to allow a car to try to pass.
– Andrew Henle
5 hours ago
On some roads all you need it 4-5 riders to create a group too large to allow partial passing. There are many places on roads where it's completely unsafe for a single rider to allow a car to try to pass.
– Andrew Henle
5 hours ago
1
1
@AndrewHenle On some parts of some roads, yes. However, a small group can periodically pull to the side of the road to allow traffic to pass, something which is essentially impossible for a large group. Especially a group that's twice the size (and probably a half to a quarter of the speed) of a grand tour peloton.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
@AndrewHenle On some parts of some roads, yes. However, a small group can periodically pull to the side of the road to allow traffic to pass, something which is essentially impossible for a large group. Especially a group that's twice the size (and probably a half to a quarter of the speed) of a grand tour peloton.
– David Richerby
4 hours ago
add a comment
|
To avoid a potential accident, my hotblooded reaction was to get in front of him and brake to force him to stop
There's nothing hotblooded at all about that reaction, even if you were angry or otherwise agitated by the driver's actions.
You acted in a perfectly rational manner to prevent an accident that would be life-threatening for any cyclist hit.
You prevented a !()%#! from being a deadly dangerous @!&(%$&!.
Your best option is to get an HD camera and video such interactions - and make clear in some manner that the motorist is being filmed.
Aggressive, angry (!*&@$&s tend to start behaving once they know their actions are being recorded for replay on YouTube and for law enforcement.
answered 7 hours ago
Andrew HenleAndrew Henle
4,15310 silver badges17 bronze badges
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To avoid a potential accident, my hotblooded reaction was to get in front of him and brake to force him to stop
There's nothing hotblooded at all about that reaction, even if you were angry or otherwise agitated by the driver's actions.
You acted in a perfectly rational manner to prevent an accident that would be life-threatening for any cyclist hit.
You prevented a !()%#! from being a deadly dangerous @!&(%$&!.
Your best option is to get an HD camera and video such interactions - and make clear in some manner that the motorist is being filmed.
Aggressive, angry (!*&@$&s tend to start behaving once they know their actions are being recorded for replay on YouTube and for law enforcement.
answered 7 hours ago
Andrew HenleAndrew Henle
4,15310 silver badges17 bronze badges
add a comment
|
To avoid a potential accident, my hotblooded reaction was to get in front of him and brake to force him to stop
There's nothing hotblooded at all about that reaction, even if you were angry or otherwise agitated by the driver's actions.
You acted in a perfectly rational manner to prevent an accident that would be life-threatening for any cyclist hit.
You prevented a !()%#! from being a deadly dangerous @!&(%$&!.
Your best option is to get an HD camera and video such interactions - and make clear in some manner that the motorist is being filmed.
Aggressive, angry (!*&@$&s tend to start behaving once they know their actions are being recorded for replay on YouTube and for law enforcement.
answered 7 hours ago
Andrew HenleAndrew Henle
4,15310 silver badges17 bronze badges
To avoid a potential accident, my hotblooded reaction was to get in front of him and brake to force him to stop
There's nothing hotblooded at all about that reaction, even if you were angry or otherwise agitated by the driver's actions.
You acted in a perfectly rational manner to prevent an accident that would be life-threatening for any cyclist hit.
You prevented a !()%#! from being a deadly dangerous @!&(%$&!.
Your best option is to get an HD camera and video such interactions - and make clear in some manner that the motorist is being filmed.
Aggressive, angry (!*&@$&s tend to start behaving once they know their actions are being recorded for replay on YouTube and for law enforcement.
answered 7 hours ago
Andrew HenleAndrew Henle
4,15310 silver badges17 bronze badges
answered 7 hours ago
Andrew HenleAndrew Henle
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answered 7 hours ago
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In many European countries large groups of vehicles, or cyclists for that matter, have special rights. For example, overtaking traffic has to wait until they are permitted to pass by the rear guard.
– gschenk
7 hours ago
1
When I've been in large groups we always took care to separate the large group into smaller segments with room for a car or two in-between.
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
1
@gschenk - Who says they're not permitted into the gap?
– Daniel R Hicks
5 hours ago
2
I may be looking at this from a skewed perspective. I always thought the idea was to "share" the road. Would your perspective be different if you were driving an auto an came upon a farm vehicle going at a slow pace while taking up an entire lane? Then refusing to pull over while several dozen autos lined up behind.
– mikes
1 hour ago
1
@mikes A better example would be if you were a cyclist and a few hundred pedestrians were walking in the roadway.
– David Richerby
59 mins ago