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Is the use of umgeben in the passive unusual?
Usage of “zwar”How to recognise *when* to use a passive construction?Using doch to emphasize a negative replyHow to use the adverb “nämlich”Are “nie” and “niemals” always interchangeable?Are there any other phrases in German like “der wievielte ist heute”?The use of “dementsprechend”Use of the word “clever”The different ways to “approach” somebody in GermanDo people actually use the word “kaputt” in conversation?
Phrases like: "he is surrounded by..." always seem to be translated as: "er ist von .... umgeben". Does a passive construction like : "Er wird von Bäumen umgeben" sound strange (Or wrong) to native speakers?
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Phrases like: "he is surrounded by..." always seem to be translated as: "er ist von .... umgeben". Does a passive construction like : "Er wird von Bäumen umgeben" sound strange (Or wrong) to native speakers?
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Phrases like: "he is surrounded by..." always seem to be translated as: "er ist von .... umgeben". Does a passive construction like : "Er wird von Bäumen umgeben" sound strange (Or wrong) to native speakers?
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Phrases like: "he is surrounded by..." always seem to be translated as: "er ist von .... umgeben". Does a passive construction like : "Er wird von Bäumen umgeben" sound strange (Or wrong) to native speakers?
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A sentence like
Das Haus ist von Bäumen umgeben.
is passive, but Zustandspassiv.
Zustandspassiv is used to describe a state, whereas Vorgangspassiv (with werden) is used to describe an action.
Because umgeben describes a state rather than an action, Vorgangspassiv doesn't fit well, so Zustandspassiv is preferred.
answered 8 hours ago
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How about 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten von einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'?
– Ralf Joerres
7 hours ago
This sentence sounds strange to me. I think it should be 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten mit einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'. With umgeben mit the Vorgangspassiv makes sense.
– RHa
5 hours ago
In my opinion, "von" is more fitting than "mit" in your examples. For me "mit" would emphasize some sort of activity here (e.g. the moment when people plant them instead of the persued state). And there is the reason why "umgeben" is rarely used in "Vorgangspassiv": It just isn't natural for something to actively surround (at least as in "umgeben") something else. "Umzingeln", "einkreisen" and so on have similar meanings but unlike "umgeben", it is possible to actively do these things. Even if the river surrounds an island, it is more of a state than an action (, though this might still work).
– hajef
4 hours ago
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A sentence like
Das Haus ist von Bäumen umgeben.
is passive, but Zustandspassiv.
Zustandspassiv is used to describe a state, whereas Vorgangspassiv (with werden) is used to describe an action.
Because umgeben describes a state rather than an action, Vorgangspassiv doesn't fit well, so Zustandspassiv is preferred.
answered 8 hours ago
RHaRHa
7,4051628
How about 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten von einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'?
– Ralf Joerres
7 hours ago
This sentence sounds strange to me. I think it should be 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten mit einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'. With umgeben mit the Vorgangspassiv makes sense.
– RHa
5 hours ago
In my opinion, "von" is more fitting than "mit" in your examples. For me "mit" would emphasize some sort of activity here (e.g. the moment when people plant them instead of the persued state). And there is the reason why "umgeben" is rarely used in "Vorgangspassiv": It just isn't natural for something to actively surround (at least as in "umgeben") something else. "Umzingeln", "einkreisen" and so on have similar meanings but unlike "umgeben", it is possible to actively do these things. Even if the river surrounds an island, it is more of a state than an action (, though this might still work).
– hajef
4 hours ago
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A sentence like
Das Haus ist von Bäumen umgeben.
is passive, but Zustandspassiv.
Zustandspassiv is used to describe a state, whereas Vorgangspassiv (with werden) is used to describe an action.
Because umgeben describes a state rather than an action, Vorgangspassiv doesn't fit well, so Zustandspassiv is preferred.
answered 8 hours ago
RHaRHa
7,4051628
How about 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten von einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'?
– Ralf Joerres
7 hours ago
This sentence sounds strange to me. I think it should be 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten mit einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'. With umgeben mit the Vorgangspassiv makes sense.
– RHa
5 hours ago
In my opinion, "von" is more fitting than "mit" in your examples. For me "mit" would emphasize some sort of activity here (e.g. the moment when people plant them instead of the persued state). And there is the reason why "umgeben" is rarely used in "Vorgangspassiv": It just isn't natural for something to actively surround (at least as in "umgeben") something else. "Umzingeln", "einkreisen" and so on have similar meanings but unlike "umgeben", it is possible to actively do these things. Even if the river surrounds an island, it is more of a state than an action (, though this might still work).
– hajef
4 hours ago
add a comment |
A sentence like
Das Haus ist von Bäumen umgeben.
is passive, but Zustandspassiv.
Zustandspassiv is used to describe a state, whereas Vorgangspassiv (with werden) is used to describe an action.
Because umgeben describes a state rather than an action, Vorgangspassiv doesn't fit well, so Zustandspassiv is preferred.
answered 8 hours ago
RHaRHa
7,4051628
A sentence like
Das Haus ist von Bäumen umgeben.
is passive, but Zustandspassiv.
Zustandspassiv is used to describe a state, whereas Vorgangspassiv (with werden) is used to describe an action.
Because umgeben describes a state rather than an action, Vorgangspassiv doesn't fit well, so Zustandspassiv is preferred.
answered 8 hours ago
RHaRHa
7,4051628
answered 8 hours ago
RHaRHa
7,4051628
answered 8 hours ago
RHaRHa
7,4051628
answered 8 hours ago
RHaRHa
7,4051628
7,4051628
How about 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten von einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'?
– Ralf Joerres
7 hours ago
This sentence sounds strange to me. I think it should be 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten mit einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'. With umgeben mit the Vorgangspassiv makes sense.
– RHa
5 hours ago
In my opinion, "von" is more fitting than "mit" in your examples. For me "mit" would emphasize some sort of activity here (e.g. the moment when people plant them instead of the persued state). And there is the reason why "umgeben" is rarely used in "Vorgangspassiv": It just isn't natural for something to actively surround (at least as in "umgeben") something else. "Umzingeln", "einkreisen" and so on have similar meanings but unlike "umgeben", it is possible to actively do these things. Even if the river surrounds an island, it is more of a state than an action (, though this might still work).
– hajef
4 hours ago
add a comment |
How about 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten von einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'?
– Ralf Joerres
7 hours ago
This sentence sounds strange to me. I think it should be 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten mit einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'. With umgeben mit the Vorgangspassiv makes sense.
– RHa
5 hours ago
In my opinion, "von" is more fitting than "mit" in your examples. For me "mit" would emphasize some sort of activity here (e.g. the moment when people plant them instead of the persued state). And there is the reason why "umgeben" is rarely used in "Vorgangspassiv": It just isn't natural for something to actively surround (at least as in "umgeben") something else. "Umzingeln", "einkreisen" and so on have similar meanings but unlike "umgeben", it is possible to actively do these things. Even if the river surrounds an island, it is more of a state than an action (, though this might still work).
– hajef
4 hours ago
How about 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten von einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'?
– Ralf Joerres
7 hours ago
How about 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten von einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'?
– Ralf Joerres
7 hours ago
This sentence sounds strange to me. I think it should be 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten mit einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'. With umgeben mit the Vorgangspassiv makes sense.
– RHa
5 hours ago
This sentence sounds strange to me. I think it should be 'Nach den Vorstelllungen des Architekten sollen Haus und Garten mit einer Hainbuchenhecke umgeben werden'. With umgeben mit the Vorgangspassiv makes sense.
– RHa
5 hours ago
In my opinion, "von" is more fitting than "mit" in your examples. For me "mit" would emphasize some sort of activity here (e.g. the moment when people plant them instead of the persued state). And there is the reason why "umgeben" is rarely used in "Vorgangspassiv": It just isn't natural for something to actively surround (at least as in "umgeben") something else. "Umzingeln", "einkreisen" and so on have similar meanings but unlike "umgeben", it is possible to actively do these things. Even if the river surrounds an island, it is more of a state than an action (, though this might still work).
– hajef
4 hours ago
In my opinion, "von" is more fitting than "mit" in your examples. For me "mit" would emphasize some sort of activity here (e.g. the moment when people plant them instead of the persued state). And there is the reason why "umgeben" is rarely used in "Vorgangspassiv": It just isn't natural for something to actively surround (at least as in "umgeben") something else. "Umzingeln", "einkreisen" and so on have similar meanings but unlike "umgeben", it is possible to actively do these things. Even if the river surrounds an island, it is more of a state than an action (, though this might still work).
– hajef
4 hours ago
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