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The computers at work take around 5-10 minutes to boot up and have all of the necessary applications for my job to be up and ready to use. I work 9am-530pm. But the other day my boss told me to come in 10-15 minutes earlier to make sure that my environment is ready by 9. Which would be fine, but I am not allowed to clock in when I come in early to make sure everything is set up which means I am not getting paid for those 10-15min. They don't leave the computers on and we have to shut them off at the end of the day too. Is this even legal in the state of Ohio, and what would be the most professional way to go about changing this?
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The computers at work take around 5-10 minutes to boot up and have all of the necessary applications for my job to be up and ready to use. I work 9am-530pm. But the other day my boss told me to come in 10-15 minutes earlier to make sure that my environment is ready by 9. Which would be fine, but I am not allowed to clock in when I come in early to make sure everything is set up which means I am not getting paid for those 10-15min. They don't leave the computers on and we have to shut them off at the end of the day too. Is this even legal in the state of Ohio, and what would be the most professional way to go about changing this?
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Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?
– sf02
25 mins ago
Assuming since you clock in that you are paid hourly, could you confirm?
– cdkMoose
25 mins ago
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Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.
– IamAPerson
21 mins ago
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The computers at work take around 5-10 minutes to boot up and have all of the necessary applications for my job to be up and ready to use. I work 9am-530pm. But the other day my boss told me to come in 10-15 minutes earlier to make sure that my environment is ready by 9. Which would be fine, but I am not allowed to clock in when I come in early to make sure everything is set up which means I am not getting paid for those 10-15min. They don't leave the computers on and we have to shut them off at the end of the day too. Is this even legal in the state of Ohio, and what would be the most professional way to go about changing this?
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The computers at work take around 5-10 minutes to boot up and have all of the necessary applications for my job to be up and ready to use. I work 9am-530pm. But the other day my boss told me to come in 10-15 minutes earlier to make sure that my environment is ready by 9. Which would be fine, but I am not allowed to clock in when I come in early to make sure everything is set up which means I am not getting paid for those 10-15min. They don't leave the computers on and we have to shut them off at the end of the day too. Is this even legal in the state of Ohio, and what would be the most professional way to go about changing this?
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Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?
– sf02
25 mins ago
Assuming since you clock in that you are paid hourly, could you confirm?
– cdkMoose
25 mins ago
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Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.
– IamAPerson
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Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?
– sf02
25 mins ago
Assuming since you clock in that you are paid hourly, could you confirm?
– cdkMoose
25 mins ago
1
Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.
– IamAPerson
21 mins ago
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2
Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?
– sf02
25 mins ago
Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?
– sf02
25 mins ago
Assuming since you clock in that you are paid hourly, could you confirm?
– cdkMoose
25 mins ago
Assuming since you clock in that you are paid hourly, could you confirm?
– cdkMoose
25 mins ago
1
1
Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.
– IamAPerson
21 mins ago
Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.
– IamAPerson
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Assuming you are paid by the hour...
The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.
Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.
If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.
If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.
He may not have a time card, but have to punch a clock that may not allow him to clock in. In that case, I'd simply ask him "How do I charge my time for that?"
– Keith
18 mins ago
no he specifically said to come in early to boot computers to be ready, but that I am not allowed to clock in until 9am.
– IamAPerson
17 mins ago
1
Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.
– Edwin Buck
15 mins ago
1
I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"
– Keith
8 mins ago
@IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.
– Edwin Buck
7 mins ago
|
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Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.
I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.
I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.
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IANAL
My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.
The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.
I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.
You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.
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Assuming you are paid by the hour...
The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.
Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.
If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.
If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.
He may not have a time card, but have to punch a clock that may not allow him to clock in. In that case, I'd simply ask him "How do I charge my time for that?"
– Keith
18 mins ago
no he specifically said to come in early to boot computers to be ready, but that I am not allowed to clock in until 9am.
– IamAPerson
17 mins ago
1
Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.
– Edwin Buck
15 mins ago
1
I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"
– Keith
8 mins ago
@IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.
– Edwin Buck
7 mins ago
|
show 2 more comments
Assuming you are paid by the hour...
The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.
Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.
If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.
If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.
He may not have a time card, but have to punch a clock that may not allow him to clock in. In that case, I'd simply ask him "How do I charge my time for that?"
– Keith
18 mins ago
no he specifically said to come in early to boot computers to be ready, but that I am not allowed to clock in until 9am.
– IamAPerson
17 mins ago
1
Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.
– Edwin Buck
15 mins ago
1
I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"
– Keith
8 mins ago
@IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.
– Edwin Buck
7 mins ago
|
show 2 more comments
Assuming you are paid by the hour...
The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.
Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.
If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.
If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.
Assuming you are paid by the hour...
The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.
Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.
If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.
If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.
answered 20 mins ago
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He may not have a time card, but have to punch a clock that may not allow him to clock in. In that case, I'd simply ask him "How do I charge my time for that?"
– Keith
18 mins ago
no he specifically said to come in early to boot computers to be ready, but that I am not allowed to clock in until 9am.
– IamAPerson
17 mins ago
1
Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.
– Edwin Buck
15 mins ago
1
I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"
– Keith
8 mins ago
@IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.
– Edwin Buck
7 mins ago
|
show 2 more comments
He may not have a time card, but have to punch a clock that may not allow him to clock in. In that case, I'd simply ask him "How do I charge my time for that?"
– Keith
18 mins ago
no he specifically said to come in early to boot computers to be ready, but that I am not allowed to clock in until 9am.
– IamAPerson
17 mins ago
1
Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.
– Edwin Buck
15 mins ago
1
I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"
– Keith
8 mins ago
@IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.
– Edwin Buck
7 mins ago
He may not have a time card, but have to punch a clock that may not allow him to clock in. In that case, I'd simply ask him "How do I charge my time for that?"
– Keith
18 mins ago
He may not have a time card, but have to punch a clock that may not allow him to clock in. In that case, I'd simply ask him "How do I charge my time for that?"
– Keith
18 mins ago
no he specifically said to come in early to boot computers to be ready, but that I am not allowed to clock in until 9am.
– IamAPerson
17 mins ago
no he specifically said to come in early to boot computers to be ready, but that I am not allowed to clock in until 9am.
– IamAPerson
17 mins ago
1
1
Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.
– Edwin Buck
15 mins ago
Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.
– Edwin Buck
15 mins ago
1
1
I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"
– Keith
8 mins ago
I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"
– Keith
8 mins ago
@IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.
– Edwin Buck
7 mins ago
@IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.
– Edwin Buck
7 mins ago
|
show 2 more comments
Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.
I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.
I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.
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Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.
I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.
I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.
add a comment |
Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.
I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.
I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.
Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.
I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.
I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.
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IANAL
My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.
The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.
I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.
You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.
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My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.
The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.
I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.
You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.
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My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.
The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.
I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.
You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.
IANAL
My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.
The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.
I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.
You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.
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Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?
– sf02
25 mins ago
Assuming since you clock in that you are paid hourly, could you confirm?
– cdkMoose
25 mins ago
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Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.
– IamAPerson
21 mins ago