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I want to create a magic item that would be basically a lute left by the almighty Pun-Pun. I highly doubt that he would lower his standards to use pitiful materials like adamantium or platinum. I am wondering what is the most expensive material in the world of Dungeons and Dragons that could be used instead.



Materials from Dragon and Dungeon magazines are welcome. Previous editions would be fine as well, but their value would require a conversion to 3.5.










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    @ZeissIkon I think it's workable. "Single most expensive possible lute" is more workable than "come up with a lute for me" the same way "help me optimize this character for this purpose" is more workable than "come up with a cool character for me".
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I want to create a magic item that would be basically a lute left by the almighty Pun-Pun. I highly doubt that he would lower his standards to use pitiful materials like adamantium or platinum. I am wondering what is the most expensive material in the world of Dungeons and Dragons that could be used instead.



Materials from Dragon and Dungeon magazines are welcome. Previous editions would be fine as well, but their value would require a conversion to 3.5.










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    @ZeissIkon I think it's workable. "Single most expensive possible lute" is more workable than "come up with a lute for me" the same way "help me optimize this character for this purpose" is more workable than "come up with a cool character for me".
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I want to create a magic item that would be basically a lute left by the almighty Pun-Pun. I highly doubt that he would lower his standards to use pitiful materials like adamantium or platinum. I am wondering what is the most expensive material in the world of Dungeons and Dragons that could be used instead.



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I want to create a magic item that would be basically a lute left by the almighty Pun-Pun. I highly doubt that he would lower his standards to use pitiful materials like adamantium or platinum. I am wondering what is the most expensive material in the world of Dungeons and Dragons that could be used instead.



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Riverine from Stormwrack is water trapped between carefully-shaped walls of force. It’s fantastically expensive (2,000 gp/lb. for non-armor item), would be preposterously difficult to make into a lute, and is basically indestructible. Sounds perfect for Pun-Pun’s lute.



I cannot guarantee that riverine is distinctly the most expensive special material in the game, but I don’t know of any more expensive.






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Star metal at 10,000 gp per pound



Star Metal is the most expensive material I could find. From Forgotten Realms Adventures (2e, p.141):




A typical price was 10,000 gp per pound (22,100 gp/kg)




From Complete Arcane (3e):




Starmetal is extraordinarily hard and is equal to adamantine for all purposes. (...) Creating a weapon of star metal costs 5,000 gp more




For comparison, Mithral is listed as 500 gb per pound under Special Materials. According to Draconomicon (3e) under Trade Goods for calculating dragon hoards, Adamantine is priced the same as Mithral (100 gp for an ore).



So, Star Metal is 20 times more expensive than both materials.






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    @ShadowKras, The page for special materials lists adamantine weapons at an extra 3,000gp. I'm not sure why the Draconomicon lists them at the same price, but from that page we can see that they aren't equal, just based on the differences in the other crafting costs.
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    So it is possible it isn't the material value of adamantine we're seeing in the SRD, but rather the full cost including the labor intensive smithing? If that is the case then that also makes me question how valuable obdurium actually is, given that it has twice adamantine's hardness. Maybe it's so expensive to get goods made out of it because it's such a pain to actually use the stuff.
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Obdurium (from page 35 of the Stronghold Builder’s Guide) is twice as expensive as Adamantine, but it has 60 hp/inch and 30 points of hardness (both values are 1.5 times that of Adamantine). For a legendary artifact, it seems like a good option. An obdurium weapon costs 6,000 gp more than normal.



Besides the base material, it is also important to consider alloys when determining materials and costs. In particular, Dragon magazine issue 351 (page 45) mentions a special material called “oerthblood” which doubles the hardness of the base material and multiplies the hp by 1.5. For a weapon it raises the cost by 6,000gp.



Assuming lutes are priced similar to weapons, this would make Pun Pun’s obdurium-oerthblood instrument cost an additional 12,000gp for the materials alone. And this isn’t taking into account any non-material features he decided to add into the construction, such as dwarvencraft/elvencraft, skill enhancements, making it a magic or intelligent item, or any of the Artisan Craftsman special properties (described in Dragon Magazine 358).



And for those paying attention, this metal has a hardness of 60 and 90hp/inch.






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    You're going to have quite a time pricing it but don't look at metals, look at gems. Pun-Pun would have crafted it out of diamond or something of that caliber. Raw diamond can be worked into the desired shape with Stone Shape, nothing comes to mind to fuse pieces together but at his power level that certainly should be possible.






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      This is what I was thinking, too. With the spell soul bind having set a precedent for black sapphires of any value being available somewhere and sizes for gems not being standardized, a black sapphire (or whatever) lute that's worth as much as Pun-pun wants it to be worth seems like the way to go.
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    Thinaun




    Thinaun is a dark, glittering metal with the strength and weight of steel. It is extremely rare, being found almost exclusively in the Outer Planes, but its true value comes from its unusual property to attract souls. A creature who dies while in physical contact with a piece of thinuan, or a weapon or object crafted from it, will have their soul trapped within it.




    Since star metal is only used for improving weapons and armor and is technically to scarce to be made into a weapon, it is very difficult to find a source that could be accurate. Thinaun, however, costs 10,000+ gp at the absolute minimum for a light weapon. I could not find the page, but it is found in the Complete Warrior supplemental rulebook.






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    Riverine from Stormwrack is water trapped between carefully-shaped walls of force. It’s fantastically expensive (2,000 gp/lb. for non-armor item), would be preposterously difficult to make into a lute, and is basically indestructible. Sounds perfect for Pun-Pun’s lute.



    I cannot guarantee that riverine is distinctly the most expensive special material in the game, but I don’t know of any more expensive.






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      How about Riverine, but with a copper coin floating around inside? Would that be more expensive?
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      @PinkSweetener It might not be any good as Riverine at that point, the same way your boot but with a copper coin stuck in it wouldn't be as valuable a boot as a coinless boot (despite ostensibly costing an extra copper coin).
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    Riverine from Stormwrack is water trapped between carefully-shaped walls of force. It’s fantastically expensive (2,000 gp/lb. for non-armor item), would be preposterously difficult to make into a lute, and is basically indestructible. Sounds perfect for Pun-Pun’s lute.



    I cannot guarantee that riverine is distinctly the most expensive special material in the game, but I don’t know of any more expensive.






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    Riverine from Stormwrack is water trapped between carefully-shaped walls of force. It’s fantastically expensive (2,000 gp/lb. for non-armor item), would be preposterously difficult to make into a lute, and is basically indestructible. Sounds perfect for Pun-Pun’s lute.



    I cannot guarantee that riverine is distinctly the most expensive special material in the game, but I don’t know of any more expensive.






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    Riverine from Stormwrack is water trapped between carefully-shaped walls of force. It’s fantastically expensive (2,000 gp/lb. for non-armor item), would be preposterously difficult to make into a lute, and is basically indestructible. Sounds perfect for Pun-Pun’s lute.



    I cannot guarantee that riverine is distinctly the most expensive special material in the game, but I don’t know of any more expensive.







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      @PinkSweetener It might not be any good as Riverine at that point, the same way your boot but with a copper coin stuck in it wouldn't be as valuable a boot as a coinless boot (despite ostensibly costing an extra copper coin).
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      @PinkSweetener It might not be any good as Riverine at that point, the same way your boot but with a copper coin stuck in it wouldn't be as valuable a boot as a coinless boot (despite ostensibly costing an extra copper coin).
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    Star metal at 10,000 gp per pound



    Star Metal is the most expensive material I could find. From Forgotten Realms Adventures (2e, p.141):




    A typical price was 10,000 gp per pound (22,100 gp/kg)




    From Complete Arcane (3e):




    Starmetal is extraordinarily hard and is equal to adamantine for all purposes. (...) Creating a weapon of star metal costs 5,000 gp more




    For comparison, Mithral is listed as 500 gb per pound under Special Materials. According to Draconomicon (3e) under Trade Goods for calculating dragon hoards, Adamantine is priced the same as Mithral (100 gp for an ore).



    So, Star Metal is 20 times more expensive than both materials.






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      switched from "star metal" to "sky metal". One quote referred to it as "starmetal" but that might be the quoted text.
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      @ShadowKras, The page for special materials lists adamantine weapons at an extra 3,000gp. I'm not sure why the Draconomicon lists them at the same price, but from that page we can see that they aren't equal, just based on the differences in the other crafting costs.
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      The draconomicon lists the cost of the Ore of each of those materials, not the cost to craft a weapon using those materials. We don't know the price of a pound of adamantine, so that's the closest guess.
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      So it is possible it isn't the material value of adamantine we're seeing in the SRD, but rather the full cost including the labor intensive smithing? If that is the case then that also makes me question how valuable obdurium actually is, given that it has twice adamantine's hardness. Maybe it's so expensive to get goods made out of it because it's such a pain to actually use the stuff.
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    Star metal at 10,000 gp per pound



    Star Metal is the most expensive material I could find. From Forgotten Realms Adventures (2e, p.141):




    A typical price was 10,000 gp per pound (22,100 gp/kg)




    From Complete Arcane (3e):




    Starmetal is extraordinarily hard and is equal to adamantine for all purposes. (...) Creating a weapon of star metal costs 5,000 gp more




    For comparison, Mithral is listed as 500 gb per pound under Special Materials. According to Draconomicon (3e) under Trade Goods for calculating dragon hoards, Adamantine is priced the same as Mithral (100 gp for an ore).



    So, Star Metal is 20 times more expensive than both materials.






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      @ShadowKras, The page for special materials lists adamantine weapons at an extra 3,000gp. I'm not sure why the Draconomicon lists them at the same price, but from that page we can see that they aren't equal, just based on the differences in the other crafting costs.
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      The draconomicon lists the cost of the Ore of each of those materials, not the cost to craft a weapon using those materials. We don't know the price of a pound of adamantine, so that's the closest guess.
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      So it is possible it isn't the material value of adamantine we're seeing in the SRD, but rather the full cost including the labor intensive smithing? If that is the case then that also makes me question how valuable obdurium actually is, given that it has twice adamantine's hardness. Maybe it's so expensive to get goods made out of it because it's such a pain to actually use the stuff.
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      – Benjamin
      1 hour ago










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      I believe that is the case, yes.
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      – ShadowKras
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    Star metal at 10,000 gp per pound



    Star Metal is the most expensive material I could find. From Forgotten Realms Adventures (2e, p.141):




    A typical price was 10,000 gp per pound (22,100 gp/kg)




    From Complete Arcane (3e):




    Starmetal is extraordinarily hard and is equal to adamantine for all purposes. (...) Creating a weapon of star metal costs 5,000 gp more




    For comparison, Mithral is listed as 500 gb per pound under Special Materials. According to Draconomicon (3e) under Trade Goods for calculating dragon hoards, Adamantine is priced the same as Mithral (100 gp for an ore).



    So, Star Metal is 20 times more expensive than both materials.






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    Star metal at 10,000 gp per pound



    Star Metal is the most expensive material I could find. From Forgotten Realms Adventures (2e, p.141):




    A typical price was 10,000 gp per pound (22,100 gp/kg)




    From Complete Arcane (3e):




    Starmetal is extraordinarily hard and is equal to adamantine for all purposes. (...) Creating a weapon of star metal costs 5,000 gp more




    For comparison, Mithral is listed as 500 gb per pound under Special Materials. According to Draconomicon (3e) under Trade Goods for calculating dragon hoards, Adamantine is priced the same as Mithral (100 gp for an ore).



    So, Star Metal is 20 times more expensive than both materials.







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    • $begingroup$
      switched from "star metal" to "sky metal". One quote referred to it as "starmetal" but that might be the quoted text.
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      – Ben Barden
      2 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @ShadowKras, The page for special materials lists adamantine weapons at an extra 3,000gp. I'm not sure why the Draconomicon lists them at the same price, but from that page we can see that they aren't equal, just based on the differences in the other crafting costs.
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      – Benjamin
      1 hour ago










    • $begingroup$
      The draconomicon lists the cost of the Ore of each of those materials, not the cost to craft a weapon using those materials. We don't know the price of a pound of adamantine, so that's the closest guess.
      $endgroup$
      – ShadowKras
      1 hour ago











    • $begingroup$
      So it is possible it isn't the material value of adamantine we're seeing in the SRD, but rather the full cost including the labor intensive smithing? If that is the case then that also makes me question how valuable obdurium actually is, given that it has twice adamantine's hardness. Maybe it's so expensive to get goods made out of it because it's such a pain to actually use the stuff.
      $endgroup$
      – Benjamin
      1 hour ago










    • $begingroup$
      I believe that is the case, yes.
      $endgroup$
      – ShadowKras
      1 hour ago
















    • $begingroup$
      switched from "star metal" to "sky metal". One quote referred to it as "starmetal" but that might be the quoted text.
      $endgroup$
      – Ben Barden
      2 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @ShadowKras, The page for special materials lists adamantine weapons at an extra 3,000gp. I'm not sure why the Draconomicon lists them at the same price, but from that page we can see that they aren't equal, just based on the differences in the other crafting costs.
      $endgroup$
      – Benjamin
      1 hour ago










    • $begingroup$
      The draconomicon lists the cost of the Ore of each of those materials, not the cost to craft a weapon using those materials. We don't know the price of a pound of adamantine, so that's the closest guess.
      $endgroup$
      – ShadowKras
      1 hour ago











    • $begingroup$
      So it is possible it isn't the material value of adamantine we're seeing in the SRD, but rather the full cost including the labor intensive smithing? If that is the case then that also makes me question how valuable obdurium actually is, given that it has twice adamantine's hardness. Maybe it's so expensive to get goods made out of it because it's such a pain to actually use the stuff.
      $endgroup$
      – Benjamin
      1 hour ago










    • $begingroup$
      I believe that is the case, yes.
      $endgroup$
      – ShadowKras
      1 hour ago















    $begingroup$
    switched from "star metal" to "sky metal". One quote referred to it as "starmetal" but that might be the quoted text.
    $endgroup$
    – Ben Barden
    2 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    switched from "star metal" to "sky metal". One quote referred to it as "starmetal" but that might be the quoted text.
    $endgroup$
    – Ben Barden
    2 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    @ShadowKras, The page for special materials lists adamantine weapons at an extra 3,000gp. I'm not sure why the Draconomicon lists them at the same price, but from that page we can see that they aren't equal, just based on the differences in the other crafting costs.
    $endgroup$
    – Benjamin
    1 hour ago




    $begingroup$
    @ShadowKras, The page for special materials lists adamantine weapons at an extra 3,000gp. I'm not sure why the Draconomicon lists them at the same price, but from that page we can see that they aren't equal, just based on the differences in the other crafting costs.
    $endgroup$
    – Benjamin
    1 hour ago












    $begingroup$
    The draconomicon lists the cost of the Ore of each of those materials, not the cost to craft a weapon using those materials. We don't know the price of a pound of adamantine, so that's the closest guess.
    $endgroup$
    – ShadowKras
    1 hour ago





    $begingroup$
    The draconomicon lists the cost of the Ore of each of those materials, not the cost to craft a weapon using those materials. We don't know the price of a pound of adamantine, so that's the closest guess.
    $endgroup$
    – ShadowKras
    1 hour ago













    $begingroup$
    So it is possible it isn't the material value of adamantine we're seeing in the SRD, but rather the full cost including the labor intensive smithing? If that is the case then that also makes me question how valuable obdurium actually is, given that it has twice adamantine's hardness. Maybe it's so expensive to get goods made out of it because it's such a pain to actually use the stuff.
    $endgroup$
    – Benjamin
    1 hour ago




    $begingroup$
    So it is possible it isn't the material value of adamantine we're seeing in the SRD, but rather the full cost including the labor intensive smithing? If that is the case then that also makes me question how valuable obdurium actually is, given that it has twice adamantine's hardness. Maybe it's so expensive to get goods made out of it because it's such a pain to actually use the stuff.
    $endgroup$
    – Benjamin
    1 hour ago












    $begingroup$
    I believe that is the case, yes.
    $endgroup$
    – ShadowKras
    1 hour ago




    $begingroup$
    I believe that is the case, yes.
    $endgroup$
    – ShadowKras
    1 hour ago











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    Obdurium (from page 35 of the Stronghold Builder’s Guide) is twice as expensive as Adamantine, but it has 60 hp/inch and 30 points of hardness (both values are 1.5 times that of Adamantine). For a legendary artifact, it seems like a good option. An obdurium weapon costs 6,000 gp more than normal.



    Besides the base material, it is also important to consider alloys when determining materials and costs. In particular, Dragon magazine issue 351 (page 45) mentions a special material called “oerthblood” which doubles the hardness of the base material and multiplies the hp by 1.5. For a weapon it raises the cost by 6,000gp.



    Assuming lutes are priced similar to weapons, this would make Pun Pun’s obdurium-oerthblood instrument cost an additional 12,000gp for the materials alone. And this isn’t taking into account any non-material features he decided to add into the construction, such as dwarvencraft/elvencraft, skill enhancements, making it a magic or intelligent item, or any of the Artisan Craftsman special properties (described in Dragon Magazine 358).



    And for those paying attention, this metal has a hardness of 60 and 90hp/inch.






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      $begingroup$

      Obdurium (from page 35 of the Stronghold Builder’s Guide) is twice as expensive as Adamantine, but it has 60 hp/inch and 30 points of hardness (both values are 1.5 times that of Adamantine). For a legendary artifact, it seems like a good option. An obdurium weapon costs 6,000 gp more than normal.



      Besides the base material, it is also important to consider alloys when determining materials and costs. In particular, Dragon magazine issue 351 (page 45) mentions a special material called “oerthblood” which doubles the hardness of the base material and multiplies the hp by 1.5. For a weapon it raises the cost by 6,000gp.



      Assuming lutes are priced similar to weapons, this would make Pun Pun’s obdurium-oerthblood instrument cost an additional 12,000gp for the materials alone. And this isn’t taking into account any non-material features he decided to add into the construction, such as dwarvencraft/elvencraft, skill enhancements, making it a magic or intelligent item, or any of the Artisan Craftsman special properties (described in Dragon Magazine 358).



      And for those paying attention, this metal has a hardness of 60 and 90hp/inch.






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        $begingroup$

        Obdurium (from page 35 of the Stronghold Builder’s Guide) is twice as expensive as Adamantine, but it has 60 hp/inch and 30 points of hardness (both values are 1.5 times that of Adamantine). For a legendary artifact, it seems like a good option. An obdurium weapon costs 6,000 gp more than normal.



        Besides the base material, it is also important to consider alloys when determining materials and costs. In particular, Dragon magazine issue 351 (page 45) mentions a special material called “oerthblood” which doubles the hardness of the base material and multiplies the hp by 1.5. For a weapon it raises the cost by 6,000gp.



        Assuming lutes are priced similar to weapons, this would make Pun Pun’s obdurium-oerthblood instrument cost an additional 12,000gp for the materials alone. And this isn’t taking into account any non-material features he decided to add into the construction, such as dwarvencraft/elvencraft, skill enhancements, making it a magic or intelligent item, or any of the Artisan Craftsman special properties (described in Dragon Magazine 358).



        And for those paying attention, this metal has a hardness of 60 and 90hp/inch.






        share|improve this answer









        $endgroup$



        Obdurium (from page 35 of the Stronghold Builder’s Guide) is twice as expensive as Adamantine, but it has 60 hp/inch and 30 points of hardness (both values are 1.5 times that of Adamantine). For a legendary artifact, it seems like a good option. An obdurium weapon costs 6,000 gp more than normal.



        Besides the base material, it is also important to consider alloys when determining materials and costs. In particular, Dragon magazine issue 351 (page 45) mentions a special material called “oerthblood” which doubles the hardness of the base material and multiplies the hp by 1.5. For a weapon it raises the cost by 6,000gp.



        Assuming lutes are priced similar to weapons, this would make Pun Pun’s obdurium-oerthblood instrument cost an additional 12,000gp for the materials alone. And this isn’t taking into account any non-material features he decided to add into the construction, such as dwarvencraft/elvencraft, skill enhancements, making it a magic or intelligent item, or any of the Artisan Craftsman special properties (described in Dragon Magazine 358).



        And for those paying attention, this metal has a hardness of 60 and 90hp/inch.







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            You're going to have quite a time pricing it but don't look at metals, look at gems. Pun-Pun would have crafted it out of diamond or something of that caliber. Raw diamond can be worked into the desired shape with Stone Shape, nothing comes to mind to fuse pieces together but at his power level that certainly should be possible.






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            • $begingroup$
              This is what I was thinking, too. With the spell soul bind having set a precedent for black sapphires of any value being available somewhere and sizes for gems not being standardized, a black sapphire (or whatever) lute that's worth as much as Pun-pun wants it to be worth seems like the way to go.
              $endgroup$
              – Hey I Can Chan
              6 mins ago
















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            $begingroup$

            You're going to have quite a time pricing it but don't look at metals, look at gems. Pun-Pun would have crafted it out of diamond or something of that caliber. Raw diamond can be worked into the desired shape with Stone Shape, nothing comes to mind to fuse pieces together but at his power level that certainly should be possible.






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            $endgroup$












            • $begingroup$
              This is what I was thinking, too. With the spell soul bind having set a precedent for black sapphires of any value being available somewhere and sizes for gems not being standardized, a black sapphire (or whatever) lute that's worth as much as Pun-pun wants it to be worth seems like the way to go.
              $endgroup$
              – Hey I Can Chan
              6 mins ago














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            1





            $begingroup$

            You're going to have quite a time pricing it but don't look at metals, look at gems. Pun-Pun would have crafted it out of diamond or something of that caliber. Raw diamond can be worked into the desired shape with Stone Shape, nothing comes to mind to fuse pieces together but at his power level that certainly should be possible.






            share|improve this answer









            $endgroup$



            You're going to have quite a time pricing it but don't look at metals, look at gems. Pun-Pun would have crafted it out of diamond or something of that caliber. Raw diamond can be worked into the desired shape with Stone Shape, nothing comes to mind to fuse pieces together but at his power level that certainly should be possible.







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            • $begingroup$
              This is what I was thinking, too. With the spell soul bind having set a precedent for black sapphires of any value being available somewhere and sizes for gems not being standardized, a black sapphire (or whatever) lute that's worth as much as Pun-pun wants it to be worth seems like the way to go.
              $endgroup$
              – Hey I Can Chan
              6 mins ago

















            • $begingroup$
              This is what I was thinking, too. With the spell soul bind having set a precedent for black sapphires of any value being available somewhere and sizes for gems not being standardized, a black sapphire (or whatever) lute that's worth as much as Pun-pun wants it to be worth seems like the way to go.
              $endgroup$
              – Hey I Can Chan
              6 mins ago
















            $begingroup$
            This is what I was thinking, too. With the spell soul bind having set a precedent for black sapphires of any value being available somewhere and sizes for gems not being standardized, a black sapphire (or whatever) lute that's worth as much as Pun-pun wants it to be worth seems like the way to go.
            $endgroup$
            – Hey I Can Chan
            6 mins ago





            $begingroup$
            This is what I was thinking, too. With the spell soul bind having set a precedent for black sapphires of any value being available somewhere and sizes for gems not being standardized, a black sapphire (or whatever) lute that's worth as much as Pun-pun wants it to be worth seems like the way to go.
            $endgroup$
            – Hey I Can Chan
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            Thinaun




            Thinaun is a dark, glittering metal with the strength and weight of steel. It is extremely rare, being found almost exclusively in the Outer Planes, but its true value comes from its unusual property to attract souls. A creature who dies while in physical contact with a piece of thinuan, or a weapon or object crafted from it, will have their soul trapped within it.




            Since star metal is only used for improving weapons and armor and is technically to scarce to be made into a weapon, it is very difficult to find a source that could be accurate. Thinaun, however, costs 10,000+ gp at the absolute minimum for a light weapon. I could not find the page, but it is found in the Complete Warrior supplemental rulebook.






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            • $begingroup$
              Good find. Also, that stuff is absolutely horrid.
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              – Benjamin
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            $begingroup$

            Thinaun




            Thinaun is a dark, glittering metal with the strength and weight of steel. It is extremely rare, being found almost exclusively in the Outer Planes, but its true value comes from its unusual property to attract souls. A creature who dies while in physical contact with a piece of thinuan, or a weapon or object crafted from it, will have their soul trapped within it.




            Since star metal is only used for improving weapons and armor and is technically to scarce to be made into a weapon, it is very difficult to find a source that could be accurate. Thinaun, however, costs 10,000+ gp at the absolute minimum for a light weapon. I could not find the page, but it is found in the Complete Warrior supplemental rulebook.






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            • $begingroup$
              Good find. Also, that stuff is absolutely horrid.
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              – Benjamin
              31 mins ago













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            $begingroup$

            Thinaun




            Thinaun is a dark, glittering metal with the strength and weight of steel. It is extremely rare, being found almost exclusively in the Outer Planes, but its true value comes from its unusual property to attract souls. A creature who dies while in physical contact with a piece of thinuan, or a weapon or object crafted from it, will have their soul trapped within it.




            Since star metal is only used for improving weapons and armor and is technically to scarce to be made into a weapon, it is very difficult to find a source that could be accurate. Thinaun, however, costs 10,000+ gp at the absolute minimum for a light weapon. I could not find the page, but it is found in the Complete Warrior supplemental rulebook.






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            Thinaun




            Thinaun is a dark, glittering metal with the strength and weight of steel. It is extremely rare, being found almost exclusively in the Outer Planes, but its true value comes from its unusual property to attract souls. A creature who dies while in physical contact with a piece of thinuan, or a weapon or object crafted from it, will have their soul trapped within it.




            Since star metal is only used for improving weapons and armor and is technically to scarce to be made into a weapon, it is very difficult to find a source that could be accurate. Thinaun, however, costs 10,000+ gp at the absolute minimum for a light weapon. I could not find the page, but it is found in the Complete Warrior supplemental rulebook.







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            • $begingroup$
              Good find. Also, that stuff is absolutely horrid.
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            • $begingroup$
              Good find. Also, that stuff is absolutely horrid.
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              – Benjamin
              31 mins ago















            $begingroup$
            Good find. Also, that stuff is absolutely horrid.
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