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What is the origin of the “clerics can create water” trope?
Where Did the “Pinocchio” trope of Bringing Your Creation To Life Start?What is the origin of D&D's Dragonborn, in fiction?Origin of “giveaway eyes for shapeshifters” tropeOrigin / History of the “Small crew & beat up starship” tropeWhen was the fantasy trope of psychological invisibility first used?Is the origin story told in The Unbroken Circle of Zerthimon true?Was the trident (named Wave) in the AD&D “White Plume Mountain” adventure a reference to anything specific?Sol Ⅲ = Earth: What is the origin of this planetary naming scheme?What is the origin of the “being immortal sucks” trope?
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All Dungeons and Dragons edition I'm familiar with have its Cleric character class. Apparently, D&D Cleric is a trope of its own. However, many D&D "clerical" spells were still inspired by popular fantasy tropes, like priests' blessings and healing hands. However, the Create Water spell seems to stand out, in that it seems less archetypal associated with its class (clerics/priests) than the others.
It is neither a rainmaking ritual, nor a divination ability that helps to find water. It is an ability to make water appear out of nothing, and it's clerical for some reason. I can't remember any fantasy book or movie where clerics actually do that (aside from the ones being inspired by D&D).
Does the idea of priests/clerics having a water-creation ability exist in any earlier source (including mythology and religious texts), or is it an original D&D invention, like the Cleric class itself?
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All Dungeons and Dragons edition I'm familiar with have its Cleric character class. Apparently, D&D Cleric is a trope of its own. However, many D&D "clerical" spells were still inspired by popular fantasy tropes, like priests' blessings and healing hands. However, the Create Water spell seems to stand out, in that it seems less archetypal associated with its class (clerics/priests) than the others.
It is neither a rainmaking ritual, nor a divination ability that helps to find water. It is an ability to make water appear out of nothing, and it's clerical for some reason. I can't remember any fantasy book or movie where clerics actually do that (aside from the ones being inspired by D&D).
Does the idea of priests/clerics having a water-creation ability exist in any earlier source (including mythology and religious texts), or is it an original D&D invention, like the Cleric class itself?
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I think it might be an analogue to how people believe Jesus and other similar prophets used a create food spell. If one can create food, why not then water. Seems like it might be an easier blessing/spell.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
1
I just figured the association was primarily with holy water, secondarily with health. (Originally I think it was a more generic "create food and drink" but I'm not positive about that.) I also remember a "purify water" spell, purification being very priestly, and a "part water" spell with obvious religious connotations.
– DavidW
11 hours ago
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Not exactly the same thing but there are the stories about Moses getting water out of rocks in the Bible: chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3839434/jewish/…
– user14111
11 hours ago
2
I have a bunch of issues with this question. First, it mention a trope but it's not about a trope. If the cleric in D&D in 1960 (random year) could create water, then in the next edition he still has the same power, and then again, and he keeps having the same power in every subsequent edition of the rule, that's not a trope at all. A trope is when an idea is widespread, not when it's just consistent. My motorbike is Yamaha, and it has a logo with 3 diapasons. It had always had a logo with 3 diapasons. How does it make it a trope?
– motoDrizzt
8 hours ago
1
@motoDrizzt D&D is clearly on-topic here, and the trope not being a trope isn't a problem. If you can put up a decent answer challenging that claim, then it is an answer. Voted to leave open.
– Jenayah
8 hours ago
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All Dungeons and Dragons edition I'm familiar with have its Cleric character class. Apparently, D&D Cleric is a trope of its own. However, many D&D "clerical" spells were still inspired by popular fantasy tropes, like priests' blessings and healing hands. However, the Create Water spell seems to stand out, in that it seems less archetypal associated with its class (clerics/priests) than the others.
It is neither a rainmaking ritual, nor a divination ability that helps to find water. It is an ability to make water appear out of nothing, and it's clerical for some reason. I can't remember any fantasy book or movie where clerics actually do that (aside from the ones being inspired by D&D).
Does the idea of priests/clerics having a water-creation ability exist in any earlier source (including mythology and religious texts), or is it an original D&D invention, like the Cleric class itself?
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All Dungeons and Dragons edition I'm familiar with have its Cleric character class. Apparently, D&D Cleric is a trope of its own. However, many D&D "clerical" spells were still inspired by popular fantasy tropes, like priests' blessings and healing hands. However, the Create Water spell seems to stand out, in that it seems less archetypal associated with its class (clerics/priests) than the others.
It is neither a rainmaking ritual, nor a divination ability that helps to find water. It is an ability to make water appear out of nothing, and it's clerical for some reason. I can't remember any fantasy book or movie where clerics actually do that (aside from the ones being inspired by D&D).
Does the idea of priests/clerics having a water-creation ability exist in any earlier source (including mythology and religious texts), or is it an original D&D invention, like the Cleric class itself?
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I think it might be an analogue to how people believe Jesus and other similar prophets used a create food spell. If one can create food, why not then water. Seems like it might be an easier blessing/spell.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
1
I just figured the association was primarily with holy water, secondarily with health. (Originally I think it was a more generic "create food and drink" but I'm not positive about that.) I also remember a "purify water" spell, purification being very priestly, and a "part water" spell with obvious religious connotations.
– DavidW
11 hours ago
15
Not exactly the same thing but there are the stories about Moses getting water out of rocks in the Bible: chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3839434/jewish/…
– user14111
11 hours ago
2
I have a bunch of issues with this question. First, it mention a trope but it's not about a trope. If the cleric in D&D in 1960 (random year) could create water, then in the next edition he still has the same power, and then again, and he keeps having the same power in every subsequent edition of the rule, that's not a trope at all. A trope is when an idea is widespread, not when it's just consistent. My motorbike is Yamaha, and it has a logo with 3 diapasons. It had always had a logo with 3 diapasons. How does it make it a trope?
– motoDrizzt
8 hours ago
1
@motoDrizzt D&D is clearly on-topic here, and the trope not being a trope isn't a problem. If you can put up a decent answer challenging that claim, then it is an answer. Voted to leave open.
– Jenayah
8 hours ago
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I think it might be an analogue to how people believe Jesus and other similar prophets used a create food spell. If one can create food, why not then water. Seems like it might be an easier blessing/spell.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
1
I just figured the association was primarily with holy water, secondarily with health. (Originally I think it was a more generic "create food and drink" but I'm not positive about that.) I also remember a "purify water" spell, purification being very priestly, and a "part water" spell with obvious religious connotations.
– DavidW
11 hours ago
15
Not exactly the same thing but there are the stories about Moses getting water out of rocks in the Bible: chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3839434/jewish/…
– user14111
11 hours ago
2
I have a bunch of issues with this question. First, it mention a trope but it's not about a trope. If the cleric in D&D in 1960 (random year) could create water, then in the next edition he still has the same power, and then again, and he keeps having the same power in every subsequent edition of the rule, that's not a trope at all. A trope is when an idea is widespread, not when it's just consistent. My motorbike is Yamaha, and it has a logo with 3 diapasons. It had always had a logo with 3 diapasons. How does it make it a trope?
– motoDrizzt
8 hours ago
1
@motoDrizzt D&D is clearly on-topic here, and the trope not being a trope isn't a problem. If you can put up a decent answer challenging that claim, then it is an answer. Voted to leave open.
– Jenayah
8 hours ago
2
2
I think it might be an analogue to how people believe Jesus and other similar prophets used a create food spell. If one can create food, why not then water. Seems like it might be an easier blessing/spell.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
I think it might be an analogue to how people believe Jesus and other similar prophets used a create food spell. If one can create food, why not then water. Seems like it might be an easier blessing/spell.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
1
1
I just figured the association was primarily with holy water, secondarily with health. (Originally I think it was a more generic "create food and drink" but I'm not positive about that.) I also remember a "purify water" spell, purification being very priestly, and a "part water" spell with obvious religious connotations.
– DavidW
11 hours ago
I just figured the association was primarily with holy water, secondarily with health. (Originally I think it was a more generic "create food and drink" but I'm not positive about that.) I also remember a "purify water" spell, purification being very priestly, and a "part water" spell with obvious religious connotations.
– DavidW
11 hours ago
15
15
Not exactly the same thing but there are the stories about Moses getting water out of rocks in the Bible: chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3839434/jewish/…
– user14111
11 hours ago
Not exactly the same thing but there are the stories about Moses getting water out of rocks in the Bible: chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3839434/jewish/…
– user14111
11 hours ago
2
2
I have a bunch of issues with this question. First, it mention a trope but it's not about a trope. If the cleric in D&D in 1960 (random year) could create water, then in the next edition he still has the same power, and then again, and he keeps having the same power in every subsequent edition of the rule, that's not a trope at all. A trope is when an idea is widespread, not when it's just consistent. My motorbike is Yamaha, and it has a logo with 3 diapasons. It had always had a logo with 3 diapasons. How does it make it a trope?
– motoDrizzt
8 hours ago
I have a bunch of issues with this question. First, it mention a trope but it's not about a trope. If the cleric in D&D in 1960 (random year) could create water, then in the next edition he still has the same power, and then again, and he keeps having the same power in every subsequent edition of the rule, that's not a trope at all. A trope is when an idea is widespread, not when it's just consistent. My motorbike is Yamaha, and it has a logo with 3 diapasons. It had always had a logo with 3 diapasons. How does it make it a trope?
– motoDrizzt
8 hours ago
1
1
@motoDrizzt D&D is clearly on-topic here, and the trope not being a trope isn't a problem. If you can put up a decent answer challenging that claim, then it is an answer. Voted to leave open.
– Jenayah
8 hours ago
@motoDrizzt D&D is clearly on-topic here, and the trope not being a trope isn't a problem. If you can put up a decent answer challenging that claim, then it is an answer. Voted to leave open.
– Jenayah
8 hours ago
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It's possible that it originates in the Torah. In Numbers, Moses, who was the people's spiritual leader got water from a rock.
20 In the first month the whole Israelite community arrived at the Desert of Zin, and they stayed at Kadesh. There Miriam died and was buried.
2 Now there was no water for the community, and the people gathered in opposition to Moses and Aaron. 3 They quarreled with Moses and said, “If only we had died when our brothers fell dead before the Lord! 4 Why did you bring the Lord’s community into this wilderness, that we and our livestock should die here? 5 Why did you bring us up out of Egypt to this terrible place? It has no grain or figs, grapevines or pomegranates. And there is no water to drink!”
6 Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the tent of meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the Lord appeared to them. 7 The Lord said to Moses, 8 “Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink.”
9 So Moses took the staff from the Lord’s presence, just as he commanded him. 10 He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, “Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?” 11 Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.
Num 20:1-11
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I was going to find a Moses reference for this answer, but you beat me to it.
– Jack B Nimble
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Hard to come up with a reference older than (at the most skeptical) 1st century CE...
– Zeiss Ikon
7 hours ago
The rock pours out "its water". The implication is that you tap the aquifer, not transmute rock into water, or create water out of nothing.
– einpoklum
1 hour ago
The old testament was inadvertently the first player's handbook
– Mark Rogers
1 hour ago
+1. Note, incidentally, the implication that as long as Miriam was alive, there was water for the community. Opinions vary slightly regarding exactly how Miriam's presence provided water -- she clearly wasn't doing what Moses did -- but she may be an even earlier precedent. (See chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3916196/jewish/… for more information.)
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It's possible that it originates in the Torah. In Numbers, Moses, who was the people's spiritual leader got water from a rock.
20 In the first month the whole Israelite community arrived at the Desert of Zin, and they stayed at Kadesh. There Miriam died and was buried.
2 Now there was no water for the community, and the people gathered in opposition to Moses and Aaron. 3 They quarreled with Moses and said, “If only we had died when our brothers fell dead before the Lord! 4 Why did you bring the Lord’s community into this wilderness, that we and our livestock should die here? 5 Why did you bring us up out of Egypt to this terrible place? It has no grain or figs, grapevines or pomegranates. And there is no water to drink!”
6 Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the tent of meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the Lord appeared to them. 7 The Lord said to Moses, 8 “Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink.”
9 So Moses took the staff from the Lord’s presence, just as he commanded him. 10 He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, “Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?” 11 Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.
Num 20:1-11
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I was going to find a Moses reference for this answer, but you beat me to it.
– Jack B Nimble
10 hours ago
Hard to come up with a reference older than (at the most skeptical) 1st century CE...
– Zeiss Ikon
7 hours ago
The rock pours out "its water". The implication is that you tap the aquifer, not transmute rock into water, or create water out of nothing.
– einpoklum
1 hour ago
The old testament was inadvertently the first player's handbook
– Mark Rogers
1 hour ago
+1. Note, incidentally, the implication that as long as Miriam was alive, there was water for the community. Opinions vary slightly regarding exactly how Miriam's presence provided water -- she clearly wasn't doing what Moses did -- but she may be an even earlier precedent. (See chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3916196/jewish/… for more information.)
– ruakh
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It's possible that it originates in the Torah. In Numbers, Moses, who was the people's spiritual leader got water from a rock.
20 In the first month the whole Israelite community arrived at the Desert of Zin, and they stayed at Kadesh. There Miriam died and was buried.
2 Now there was no water for the community, and the people gathered in opposition to Moses and Aaron. 3 They quarreled with Moses and said, “If only we had died when our brothers fell dead before the Lord! 4 Why did you bring the Lord’s community into this wilderness, that we and our livestock should die here? 5 Why did you bring us up out of Egypt to this terrible place? It has no grain or figs, grapevines or pomegranates. And there is no water to drink!”
6 Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the tent of meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the Lord appeared to them. 7 The Lord said to Moses, 8 “Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink.”
9 So Moses took the staff from the Lord’s presence, just as he commanded him. 10 He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, “Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?” 11 Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.
Num 20:1-11
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I was going to find a Moses reference for this answer, but you beat me to it.
– Jack B Nimble
10 hours ago
Hard to come up with a reference older than (at the most skeptical) 1st century CE...
– Zeiss Ikon
7 hours ago
The rock pours out "its water". The implication is that you tap the aquifer, not transmute rock into water, or create water out of nothing.
– einpoklum
1 hour ago
The old testament was inadvertently the first player's handbook
– Mark Rogers
1 hour ago
+1. Note, incidentally, the implication that as long as Miriam was alive, there was water for the community. Opinions vary slightly regarding exactly how Miriam's presence provided water -- she clearly wasn't doing what Moses did -- but she may be an even earlier precedent. (See chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3916196/jewish/… for more information.)
– ruakh
45 mins ago
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It's possible that it originates in the Torah. In Numbers, Moses, who was the people's spiritual leader got water from a rock.
20 In the first month the whole Israelite community arrived at the Desert of Zin, and they stayed at Kadesh. There Miriam died and was buried.
2 Now there was no water for the community, and the people gathered in opposition to Moses and Aaron. 3 They quarreled with Moses and said, “If only we had died when our brothers fell dead before the Lord! 4 Why did you bring the Lord’s community into this wilderness, that we and our livestock should die here? 5 Why did you bring us up out of Egypt to this terrible place? It has no grain or figs, grapevines or pomegranates. And there is no water to drink!”
6 Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the tent of meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the Lord appeared to them. 7 The Lord said to Moses, 8 “Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink.”
9 So Moses took the staff from the Lord’s presence, just as he commanded him. 10 He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, “Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?” 11 Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.
Num 20:1-11
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It's possible that it originates in the Torah. In Numbers, Moses, who was the people's spiritual leader got water from a rock.
20 In the first month the whole Israelite community arrived at the Desert of Zin, and they stayed at Kadesh. There Miriam died and was buried.
2 Now there was no water for the community, and the people gathered in opposition to Moses and Aaron. 3 They quarreled with Moses and said, “If only we had died when our brothers fell dead before the Lord! 4 Why did you bring the Lord’s community into this wilderness, that we and our livestock should die here? 5 Why did you bring us up out of Egypt to this terrible place? It has no grain or figs, grapevines or pomegranates. And there is no water to drink!”
6 Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the tent of meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the Lord appeared to them. 7 The Lord said to Moses, 8 “Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink.”
9 So Moses took the staff from the Lord’s presence, just as he commanded him. 10 He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, “Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?” 11 Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.
Num 20:1-11
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I was going to find a Moses reference for this answer, but you beat me to it.
– Jack B Nimble
10 hours ago
Hard to come up with a reference older than (at the most skeptical) 1st century CE...
– Zeiss Ikon
7 hours ago
The rock pours out "its water". The implication is that you tap the aquifer, not transmute rock into water, or create water out of nothing.
– einpoklum
1 hour ago
The old testament was inadvertently the first player's handbook
– Mark Rogers
1 hour ago
+1. Note, incidentally, the implication that as long as Miriam was alive, there was water for the community. Opinions vary slightly regarding exactly how Miriam's presence provided water -- she clearly wasn't doing what Moses did -- but she may be an even earlier precedent. (See chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3916196/jewish/… for more information.)
– ruakh
45 mins ago
add a comment
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I was going to find a Moses reference for this answer, but you beat me to it.
– Jack B Nimble
10 hours ago
Hard to come up with a reference older than (at the most skeptical) 1st century CE...
– Zeiss Ikon
7 hours ago
The rock pours out "its water". The implication is that you tap the aquifer, not transmute rock into water, or create water out of nothing.
– einpoklum
1 hour ago
The old testament was inadvertently the first player's handbook
– Mark Rogers
1 hour ago
+1. Note, incidentally, the implication that as long as Miriam was alive, there was water for the community. Opinions vary slightly regarding exactly how Miriam's presence provided water -- she clearly wasn't doing what Moses did -- but she may be an even earlier precedent. (See chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3916196/jewish/… for more information.)
– ruakh
45 mins ago
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I was going to find a Moses reference for this answer, but you beat me to it.
– Jack B Nimble
10 hours ago
I was going to find a Moses reference for this answer, but you beat me to it.
– Jack B Nimble
10 hours ago
Hard to come up with a reference older than (at the most skeptical) 1st century CE...
– Zeiss Ikon
7 hours ago
Hard to come up with a reference older than (at the most skeptical) 1st century CE...
– Zeiss Ikon
7 hours ago
The rock pours out "its water". The implication is that you tap the aquifer, not transmute rock into water, or create water out of nothing.
– einpoklum
1 hour ago
The rock pours out "its water". The implication is that you tap the aquifer, not transmute rock into water, or create water out of nothing.
– einpoklum
1 hour ago
The old testament was inadvertently the first player's handbook
– Mark Rogers
1 hour ago
The old testament was inadvertently the first player's handbook
– Mark Rogers
1 hour ago
+1. Note, incidentally, the implication that as long as Miriam was alive, there was water for the community. Opinions vary slightly regarding exactly how Miriam's presence provided water -- she clearly wasn't doing what Moses did -- but she may be an even earlier precedent. (See chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3916196/jewish/… for more information.)
– ruakh
45 mins ago
+1. Note, incidentally, the implication that as long as Miriam was alive, there was water for the community. Opinions vary slightly regarding exactly how Miriam's presence provided water -- she clearly wasn't doing what Moses did -- but she may be an even earlier precedent. (See chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3916196/jewish/… for more information.)
– ruakh
45 mins ago
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I think it might be an analogue to how people believe Jesus and other similar prophets used a create food spell. If one can create food, why not then water. Seems like it might be an easier blessing/spell.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
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I just figured the association was primarily with holy water, secondarily with health. (Originally I think it was a more generic "create food and drink" but I'm not positive about that.) I also remember a "purify water" spell, purification being very priestly, and a "part water" spell with obvious religious connotations.
– DavidW
11 hours ago
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Not exactly the same thing but there are the stories about Moses getting water out of rocks in the Bible: chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3839434/jewish/…
– user14111
11 hours ago
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I have a bunch of issues with this question. First, it mention a trope but it's not about a trope. If the cleric in D&D in 1960 (random year) could create water, then in the next edition he still has the same power, and then again, and he keeps having the same power in every subsequent edition of the rule, that's not a trope at all. A trope is when an idea is widespread, not when it's just consistent. My motorbike is Yamaha, and it has a logo with 3 diapasons. It had always had a logo with 3 diapasons. How does it make it a trope?
– motoDrizzt
8 hours ago
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@motoDrizzt D&D is clearly on-topic here, and the trope not being a trope isn't a problem. If you can put up a decent answer challenging that claim, then it is an answer. Voted to leave open.
– Jenayah
8 hours ago