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Show that there exists an integer that is a power of 5 with the first 4 digits being 2018.


Given $2^x=129$, why is it that I can use the natural logarithm to find $x$?Satisfying equality between logarithmic expressionsDividing logarithms without using a calculatorIf $a=blog b$, how does $b$ grow asymptotically?So many logs with different basesComparing functions that have logs in exponentsHow to show that $- log_b x = log_frac1b x$Taking log of a matrix equationhow to simplify a quadratic logarithmic equation equation?






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I know the problem can be expressed in the following way. Let $a,b in mathbbZ^+$ such that $2018:times:10^b < 5^a < 2019:times:10^b$



Taking logs, I get $b + log 2018 < a log 5< b + log 2019$.



Not quite sure how else to proceed though.










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I know the problem can be expressed in the following way. Let $a,b in mathbbZ^+$ such that $2018:times:10^b < 5^a < 2019:times:10^b$



Taking logs, I get $b + log 2018 < a log 5< b + log 2019$.



Not quite sure how else to proceed though.










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I know the problem can be expressed in the following way. Let $a,b in mathbbZ^+$ such that $2018:times:10^b < 5^a < 2019:times:10^b$



Taking logs, I get $b + log 2018 < a log 5< b + log 2019$.



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I know the problem can be expressed in the following way. Let $a,b in mathbbZ^+$ such that $2018:times:10^b < 5^a < 2019:times:10^b$



Taking logs, I get $b + log 2018 < a log 5< b + log 2019$.



Not quite sure how else to proceed though.







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The set $A = a log_10 5 + b : a,b in mathbb Z $ is an additive subgroup of $mathbb R$, and so is either cyclic or dense.



If $A$ were cyclic, then $1 = n (a_0 log_10 5 + b_0)$. Since $log_10 5$ is irrational, we must have $n a_0 =0$ and $n b_0 = 1$, which cannot happen.



Therefore, $A$ is dense and so there is an element of $A$ in the interval $(log_10(2018), log_10(2019))$.






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Hint Since $log_10(5)$ is irrational, the set $ a log_10(5)-b : a, b in mathbb N$ is dense in $mathbb R$. Therefore, you can find such a number in the interval $(log_10(2018), log_10(2019))$.






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    The set $A = a log_10 5 + b : a,b in mathbb Z $ is an additive subgroup of $mathbb R$, and so is either cyclic or dense.



    If $A$ were cyclic, then $1 = n (a_0 log_10 5 + b_0)$. Since $log_10 5$ is irrational, we must have $n a_0 =0$ and $n b_0 = 1$, which cannot happen.



    Therefore, $A$ is dense and so there is an element of $A$ in the interval $(log_10(2018), log_10(2019))$.






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    The set $A = a log_10 5 + b : a,b in mathbb Z $ is an additive subgroup of $mathbb R$, and so is either cyclic or dense.



    If $A$ were cyclic, then $1 = n (a_0 log_10 5 + b_0)$. Since $log_10 5$ is irrational, we must have $n a_0 =0$ and $n b_0 = 1$, which cannot happen.



    Therefore, $A$ is dense and so there is an element of $A$ in the interval $(log_10(2018), log_10(2019))$.






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    The set $A = a log_10 5 + b : a,b in mathbb Z $ is an additive subgroup of $mathbb R$, and so is either cyclic or dense.



    If $A$ were cyclic, then $1 = n (a_0 log_10 5 + b_0)$. Since $log_10 5$ is irrational, we must have $n a_0 =0$ and $n b_0 = 1$, which cannot happen.



    Therefore, $A$ is dense and so there is an element of $A$ in the interval $(log_10(2018), log_10(2019))$.






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    The set $A = a log_10 5 + b : a,b in mathbb Z $ is an additive subgroup of $mathbb R$, and so is either cyclic or dense.



    If $A$ were cyclic, then $1 = n (a_0 log_10 5 + b_0)$. Since $log_10 5$ is irrational, we must have $n a_0 =0$ and $n b_0 = 1$, which cannot happen.



    Therefore, $A$ is dense and so there is an element of $A$ in the interval $(log_10(2018), log_10(2019))$.







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        Hint Since $log_10(5)$ is irrational, the set $ a log_10(5)-b : a, b in mathbb N$ is dense in $mathbb R$. Therefore, you can find such a number in the interval $(log_10(2018), log_10(2019))$.







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