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Does the wording of the Wrathful Smite spell imply that there are other living beings that aren't considered “creatures”?
Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?What is the definition of “creature” and is it used consistently?Do creatures summoned by the Conjure Animals or Conjure Woodland Beings spells act on the round they are summoned?Does Green-Flame Blade damage the caster if no other targets are available?Is there a spell or effect that will summon a living humanoid to you?Will the illusion of a creature, of a given type, trigger a spell contingent upon the creature type?Are there creatures that are resistant/immune to falling damage?Is there any other effect that induces sleep other than the Sleep spell?Are there any issues with creating creatures that can make multi-target melee attacks?Are there any balance-breaking consequences of house-ruling that the Spider Climb spell can be upcast to affect additional creatures?
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I've been playing D&D 5e for about a year, and as I've understood, every living being falls under the "creature" category: humanoids, beasts, monstrosities, monsters, constructs, undead, celestials, fiends, etc.
However, the Paladin spell Wrathful Smite reads as follows:
Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must make a Wisdom saving throw
or be frightened of you until the spell ends
This made me question the meaning of "creature".
Does it imply that there are other living beings, aside from "creatures"?
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I've been playing D&D 5e for about a year, and as I've understood, every living being falls under the "creature" category: humanoids, beasts, monstrosities, monsters, constructs, undead, celestials, fiends, etc.
However, the Paladin spell Wrathful Smite reads as follows:
Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must make a Wisdom saving throw
or be frightened of you until the spell ends
This made me question the meaning of "creature".
Does it imply that there are other living beings, aside from "creatures"?
dnd-5e spells targeting
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@StackLloyd I'm not sure this is a duplicate, since this question seems to be about confusion around the wrathful smite description specifically, rather than the "creature" thing that the other question explores.
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– NathanS
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Welcome to the stack! Please take the tour to learn more about how we operate and glad to have you around! FYI, you don't need to signal edits (the edit history takes care of that.) It's better to just fully edit your question to include newly relevant information but keep the question as a narrative whole.
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I'm not sure we can answer the first part of your last question (that's designer intent, which we hold as off-topic), but we could potentially answer the second. I've deleted the first part, but you can always roll back that edit.
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– NautArch
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If your real question is "are there things which are neither creatures nor objects?" I would change the title of your question to reflect this
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I've been playing D&D 5e for about a year, and as I've understood, every living being falls under the "creature" category: humanoids, beasts, monstrosities, monsters, constructs, undead, celestials, fiends, etc.
However, the Paladin spell Wrathful Smite reads as follows:
Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must make a Wisdom saving throw
or be frightened of you until the spell ends
This made me question the meaning of "creature".
Does it imply that there are other living beings, aside from "creatures"?
dnd-5e spells targeting
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I've been playing D&D 5e for about a year, and as I've understood, every living being falls under the "creature" category: humanoids, beasts, monstrosities, monsters, constructs, undead, celestials, fiends, etc.
However, the Paladin spell Wrathful Smite reads as follows:
Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must make a Wisdom saving throw
or be frightened of you until the spell ends
This made me question the meaning of "creature".
Does it imply that there are other living beings, aside from "creatures"?
dnd-5e spells targeting
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@StackLloyd I'm not sure this is a duplicate, since this question seems to be about confusion around the wrathful smite description specifically, rather than the "creature" thing that the other question explores.
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Welcome to the stack! Please take the tour to learn more about how we operate and glad to have you around! FYI, you don't need to signal edits (the edit history takes care of that.) It's better to just fully edit your question to include newly relevant information but keep the question as a narrative whole.
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– NautArch
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I'm not sure we can answer the first part of your last question (that's designer intent, which we hold as off-topic), but we could potentially answer the second. I've deleted the first part, but you can always roll back that edit.
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– NautArch
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If your real question is "are there things which are neither creatures nor objects?" I would change the title of your question to reflect this
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@StackLloyd I'm not sure this is a duplicate, since this question seems to be about confusion around the wrathful smite description specifically, rather than the "creature" thing that the other question explores.
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– NathanS
16 hours ago
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Welcome to the stack! Please take the tour to learn more about how we operate and glad to have you around! FYI, you don't need to signal edits (the edit history takes care of that.) It's better to just fully edit your question to include newly relevant information but keep the question as a narrative whole.
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– NautArch
16 hours ago
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I'm not sure we can answer the first part of your last question (that's designer intent, which we hold as off-topic), but we could potentially answer the second. I've deleted the first part, but you can always roll back that edit.
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– NautArch
14 hours ago
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If your real question is "are there things which are neither creatures nor objects?" I would change the title of your question to reflect this
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– Medix2
13 hours ago
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2
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@StackLloyd I'm not sure this is a duplicate, since this question seems to be about confusion around the wrathful smite description specifically, rather than the "creature" thing that the other question explores.
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– NathanS
16 hours ago
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@StackLloyd I'm not sure this is a duplicate, since this question seems to be about confusion around the wrathful smite description specifically, rather than the "creature" thing that the other question explores.
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– NathanS
16 hours ago
2
2
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Welcome to the stack! Please take the tour to learn more about how we operate and glad to have you around! FYI, you don't need to signal edits (the edit history takes care of that.) It's better to just fully edit your question to include newly relevant information but keep the question as a narrative whole.
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– NautArch
16 hours ago
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Welcome to the stack! Please take the tour to learn more about how we operate and glad to have you around! FYI, you don't need to signal edits (the edit history takes care of that.) It's better to just fully edit your question to include newly relevant information but keep the question as a narrative whole.
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– NautArch
16 hours ago
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I'm not sure we can answer the first part of your last question (that's designer intent, which we hold as off-topic), but we could potentially answer the second. I've deleted the first part, but you can always roll back that edit.
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– NautArch
14 hours ago
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I'm not sure we can answer the first part of your last question (that's designer intent, which we hold as off-topic), but we could potentially answer the second. I've deleted the first part, but you can always roll back that edit.
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– NautArch
14 hours ago
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If your real question is "are there things which are neither creatures nor objects?" I would change the title of your question to reflect this
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– Medix2
13 hours ago
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If your real question is "are there things which are neither creatures nor objects?" I would change the title of your question to reflect this
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The term "creature" does not include objects.
In other words, if you use Wrathful Smite to break down a door, the door does not need to make a wisdom saving throw.
answered 16 hours ago
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@NautArch OP's edit suggests otherwise, that it was in fact confusion around the wrathful smite description. The question should perhaps be cleaned up to better reflect the OP's "true" query...
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– NathanS
16 hours ago
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@NathanS After the clarification, this answer doesn't really address the OP's concerns.
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– StackLloyd
15 hours ago
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You may want to mention this question: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?"
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The effects of the wrathful smite spell can apply to anything, including objects; the phrase in question makes it so that only creatures make the Wisdom saving throw
Most of the smite spells (all but thunderous smite and wrathful smite) begin with the following:
The next time you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack...
The wrathful smite spell, however, states:
The next time you hit with a melee weapon attack during this spell's duration, your attack deals an extra 1d6 psychic damage. Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must make a Wisdom saving throw or be frightened of you until the spell ends...
Most smite spells only have effects against creatures, however, the effects of wrathful smite are not restricted in this way so they can apply to anything you hit, including objects.
The additional 1d6 psychic damage applies no matter what you hit; however, the wording in question is there so that the Wisdom saving throw is only made if the target is a creature.
Of note, there are things which are neither creatures nor objects and they are explicitly called out as such. The only one I know of is the Shepherd Druid's Spirit Totem which states:
The spirit creates an aura in a 30-foot radius around that point. It counts as neither a creature nor an object, though it has the spectral appearance of the creature it represents.
Whether this being counts as "living" would be up to a GM (though I don't know any game-effect where it would matter). However, you can't actually hit the spirit totem, it has no stats. If you could then it would take the additional 1d6 psychic damage but it would not make the Wisdom saving throw as it is not a creature.
The fact that there are extremely few things which are neither creature nor object is supported by the rules constant use of the phrase "creatures and objects" such as in the see invisibility spell which states:
For the duration, you see invisible creatures and objects as if they were visible
This (and many other instances of this phrase throughout the rules) help show that unless stated otherwise something must be either a creature or an object (or both, potentially, see this question for that discussion: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?")
answered 14 hours ago
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I think you fell into the same trap as AceCalhoon. WIth the most recent edit, OP seems to understand Objects are separate. They're asking if there are other non-objects that would be removed from this effect as "not creatures". I think.
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@NautArch I'm not sure what you mean, the phrase is there to explain that only a creature makes the saving throw. I honestly don't understand how this implies the existence of non-creature living beings
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– Medix2
14 hours ago
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And with OP's final question, they're asking if it is simply object v. creature dichotomy, or if there is something else that qualifies as not-object, but not-creature.
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– NautArch
13 hours ago
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@NautArch Added that in now
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The term "creature" does not include objects.
In other words, if you use Wrathful Smite to break down a door, the door does not need to make a wisdom saving throw.
answered 16 hours ago
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@NautArch OP's edit suggests otherwise, that it was in fact confusion around the wrathful smite description. The question should perhaps be cleaned up to better reflect the OP's "true" query...
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– NathanS
16 hours ago
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@NathanS After the clarification, this answer doesn't really address the OP's concerns.
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– StackLloyd
15 hours ago
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You may want to mention this question: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?"
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– Medix2
17 mins ago
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The term "creature" does not include objects.
In other words, if you use Wrathful Smite to break down a door, the door does not need to make a wisdom saving throw.
answered 16 hours ago
AceCalhoonAceCalhoon
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@NautArch OP's edit suggests otherwise, that it was in fact confusion around the wrathful smite description. The question should perhaps be cleaned up to better reflect the OP's "true" query...
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– NathanS
16 hours ago
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@NathanS After the clarification, this answer doesn't really address the OP's concerns.
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– StackLloyd
15 hours ago
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You may want to mention this question: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?"
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– Medix2
17 mins ago
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The term "creature" does not include objects.
In other words, if you use Wrathful Smite to break down a door, the door does not need to make a wisdom saving throw.
answered 16 hours ago
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The term "creature" does not include objects.
In other words, if you use Wrathful Smite to break down a door, the door does not need to make a wisdom saving throw.
answered 16 hours ago
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answered 16 hours ago
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answered 16 hours ago
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@NautArch OP's edit suggests otherwise, that it was in fact confusion around the wrathful smite description. The question should perhaps be cleaned up to better reflect the OP's "true" query...
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– NathanS
16 hours ago
1
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@NathanS After the clarification, this answer doesn't really address the OP's concerns.
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– StackLloyd
15 hours ago
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You may want to mention this question: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?"
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– Medix2
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3
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@NautArch OP's edit suggests otherwise, that it was in fact confusion around the wrathful smite description. The question should perhaps be cleaned up to better reflect the OP's "true" query...
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– NathanS
16 hours ago
1
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@NathanS After the clarification, this answer doesn't really address the OP's concerns.
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– StackLloyd
15 hours ago
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You may want to mention this question: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?"
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– Medix2
17 mins ago
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@NautArch OP's edit suggests otherwise, that it was in fact confusion around the wrathful smite description. The question should perhaps be cleaned up to better reflect the OP's "true" query...
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– NathanS
16 hours ago
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@NautArch OP's edit suggests otherwise, that it was in fact confusion around the wrathful smite description. The question should perhaps be cleaned up to better reflect the OP's "true" query...
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– NathanS
16 hours ago
1
1
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@NathanS After the clarification, this answer doesn't really address the OP's concerns.
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– StackLloyd
15 hours ago
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@NathanS After the clarification, this answer doesn't really address the OP's concerns.
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– StackLloyd
15 hours ago
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You may want to mention this question: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?"
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– Medix2
17 mins ago
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You may want to mention this question: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?"
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– Medix2
17 mins ago
add a comment |
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The effects of the wrathful smite spell can apply to anything, including objects; the phrase in question makes it so that only creatures make the Wisdom saving throw
Most of the smite spells (all but thunderous smite and wrathful smite) begin with the following:
The next time you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack...
The wrathful smite spell, however, states:
The next time you hit with a melee weapon attack during this spell's duration, your attack deals an extra 1d6 psychic damage. Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must make a Wisdom saving throw or be frightened of you until the spell ends...
Most smite spells only have effects against creatures, however, the effects of wrathful smite are not restricted in this way so they can apply to anything you hit, including objects.
The additional 1d6 psychic damage applies no matter what you hit; however, the wording in question is there so that the Wisdom saving throw is only made if the target is a creature.
Of note, there are things which are neither creatures nor objects and they are explicitly called out as such. The only one I know of is the Shepherd Druid's Spirit Totem which states:
The spirit creates an aura in a 30-foot radius around that point. It counts as neither a creature nor an object, though it has the spectral appearance of the creature it represents.
Whether this being counts as "living" would be up to a GM (though I don't know any game-effect where it would matter). However, you can't actually hit the spirit totem, it has no stats. If you could then it would take the additional 1d6 psychic damage but it would not make the Wisdom saving throw as it is not a creature.
The fact that there are extremely few things which are neither creature nor object is supported by the rules constant use of the phrase "creatures and objects" such as in the see invisibility spell which states:
For the duration, you see invisible creatures and objects as if they were visible
This (and many other instances of this phrase throughout the rules) help show that unless stated otherwise something must be either a creature or an object (or both, potentially, see this question for that discussion: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?")
answered 14 hours ago
Medix2Medix2
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I think you fell into the same trap as AceCalhoon. WIth the most recent edit, OP seems to understand Objects are separate. They're asking if there are other non-objects that would be removed from this effect as "not creatures". I think.
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– NautArch
14 hours ago
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@NautArch I'm not sure what you mean, the phrase is there to explain that only a creature makes the saving throw. I honestly don't understand how this implies the existence of non-creature living beings
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– Medix2
14 hours ago
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And with OP's final question, they're asking if it is simply object v. creature dichotomy, or if there is something else that qualifies as not-object, but not-creature.
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– NautArch
13 hours ago
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@NautArch Added that in now
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– Medix2
13 hours ago
add a comment |
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The effects of the wrathful smite spell can apply to anything, including objects; the phrase in question makes it so that only creatures make the Wisdom saving throw
Most of the smite spells (all but thunderous smite and wrathful smite) begin with the following:
The next time you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack...
The wrathful smite spell, however, states:
The next time you hit with a melee weapon attack during this spell's duration, your attack deals an extra 1d6 psychic damage. Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must make a Wisdom saving throw or be frightened of you until the spell ends...
Most smite spells only have effects against creatures, however, the effects of wrathful smite are not restricted in this way so they can apply to anything you hit, including objects.
The additional 1d6 psychic damage applies no matter what you hit; however, the wording in question is there so that the Wisdom saving throw is only made if the target is a creature.
Of note, there are things which are neither creatures nor objects and they are explicitly called out as such. The only one I know of is the Shepherd Druid's Spirit Totem which states:
The spirit creates an aura in a 30-foot radius around that point. It counts as neither a creature nor an object, though it has the spectral appearance of the creature it represents.
Whether this being counts as "living" would be up to a GM (though I don't know any game-effect where it would matter). However, you can't actually hit the spirit totem, it has no stats. If you could then it would take the additional 1d6 psychic damage but it would not make the Wisdom saving throw as it is not a creature.
The fact that there are extremely few things which are neither creature nor object is supported by the rules constant use of the phrase "creatures and objects" such as in the see invisibility spell which states:
For the duration, you see invisible creatures and objects as if they were visible
This (and many other instances of this phrase throughout the rules) help show that unless stated otherwise something must be either a creature or an object (or both, potentially, see this question for that discussion: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?")
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I think you fell into the same trap as AceCalhoon. WIth the most recent edit, OP seems to understand Objects are separate. They're asking if there are other non-objects that would be removed from this effect as "not creatures". I think.
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@NautArch I'm not sure what you mean, the phrase is there to explain that only a creature makes the saving throw. I honestly don't understand how this implies the existence of non-creature living beings
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– Medix2
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And with OP's final question, they're asking if it is simply object v. creature dichotomy, or if there is something else that qualifies as not-object, but not-creature.
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– NautArch
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@NautArch Added that in now
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The effects of the wrathful smite spell can apply to anything, including objects; the phrase in question makes it so that only creatures make the Wisdom saving throw
Most of the smite spells (all but thunderous smite and wrathful smite) begin with the following:
The next time you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack...
The wrathful smite spell, however, states:
The next time you hit with a melee weapon attack during this spell's duration, your attack deals an extra 1d6 psychic damage. Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must make a Wisdom saving throw or be frightened of you until the spell ends...
Most smite spells only have effects against creatures, however, the effects of wrathful smite are not restricted in this way so they can apply to anything you hit, including objects.
The additional 1d6 psychic damage applies no matter what you hit; however, the wording in question is there so that the Wisdom saving throw is only made if the target is a creature.
Of note, there are things which are neither creatures nor objects and they are explicitly called out as such. The only one I know of is the Shepherd Druid's Spirit Totem which states:
The spirit creates an aura in a 30-foot radius around that point. It counts as neither a creature nor an object, though it has the spectral appearance of the creature it represents.
Whether this being counts as "living" would be up to a GM (though I don't know any game-effect where it would matter). However, you can't actually hit the spirit totem, it has no stats. If you could then it would take the additional 1d6 psychic damage but it would not make the Wisdom saving throw as it is not a creature.
The fact that there are extremely few things which are neither creature nor object is supported by the rules constant use of the phrase "creatures and objects" such as in the see invisibility spell which states:
For the duration, you see invisible creatures and objects as if they were visible
This (and many other instances of this phrase throughout the rules) help show that unless stated otherwise something must be either a creature or an object (or both, potentially, see this question for that discussion: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?")
answered 14 hours ago
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The effects of the wrathful smite spell can apply to anything, including objects; the phrase in question makes it so that only creatures make the Wisdom saving throw
Most of the smite spells (all but thunderous smite and wrathful smite) begin with the following:
The next time you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack...
The wrathful smite spell, however, states:
The next time you hit with a melee weapon attack during this spell's duration, your attack deals an extra 1d6 psychic damage. Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must make a Wisdom saving throw or be frightened of you until the spell ends...
Most smite spells only have effects against creatures, however, the effects of wrathful smite are not restricted in this way so they can apply to anything you hit, including objects.
The additional 1d6 psychic damage applies no matter what you hit; however, the wording in question is there so that the Wisdom saving throw is only made if the target is a creature.
Of note, there are things which are neither creatures nor objects and they are explicitly called out as such. The only one I know of is the Shepherd Druid's Spirit Totem which states:
The spirit creates an aura in a 30-foot radius around that point. It counts as neither a creature nor an object, though it has the spectral appearance of the creature it represents.
Whether this being counts as "living" would be up to a GM (though I don't know any game-effect where it would matter). However, you can't actually hit the spirit totem, it has no stats. If you could then it would take the additional 1d6 psychic damage but it would not make the Wisdom saving throw as it is not a creature.
The fact that there are extremely few things which are neither creature nor object is supported by the rules constant use of the phrase "creatures and objects" such as in the see invisibility spell which states:
For the duration, you see invisible creatures and objects as if they were visible
This (and many other instances of this phrase throughout the rules) help show that unless stated otherwise something must be either a creature or an object (or both, potentially, see this question for that discussion: "Is there anything that is simultaneously a creature and an object?")
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I think you fell into the same trap as AceCalhoon. WIth the most recent edit, OP seems to understand Objects are separate. They're asking if there are other non-objects that would be removed from this effect as "not creatures". I think.
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– NautArch
14 hours ago
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@NautArch I'm not sure what you mean, the phrase is there to explain that only a creature makes the saving throw. I honestly don't understand how this implies the existence of non-creature living beings
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– Medix2
14 hours ago
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And with OP's final question, they're asking if it is simply object v. creature dichotomy, or if there is something else that qualifies as not-object, but not-creature.
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– NautArch
13 hours ago
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@NautArch Added that in now
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– Medix2
13 hours ago
add a comment |
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I think you fell into the same trap as AceCalhoon. WIth the most recent edit, OP seems to understand Objects are separate. They're asking if there are other non-objects that would be removed from this effect as "not creatures". I think.
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– NautArch
14 hours ago
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@NautArch I'm not sure what you mean, the phrase is there to explain that only a creature makes the saving throw. I honestly don't understand how this implies the existence of non-creature living beings
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– Medix2
14 hours ago
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And with OP's final question, they're asking if it is simply object v. creature dichotomy, or if there is something else that qualifies as not-object, but not-creature.
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– NautArch
13 hours ago
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@NautArch Added that in now
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– Medix2
13 hours ago
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I think you fell into the same trap as AceCalhoon. WIth the most recent edit, OP seems to understand Objects are separate. They're asking if there are other non-objects that would be removed from this effect as "not creatures". I think.
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– NautArch
14 hours ago
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I think you fell into the same trap as AceCalhoon. WIth the most recent edit, OP seems to understand Objects are separate. They're asking if there are other non-objects that would be removed from this effect as "not creatures". I think.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
14 hours ago
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@NautArch I'm not sure what you mean, the phrase is there to explain that only a creature makes the saving throw. I honestly don't understand how this implies the existence of non-creature living beings
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– Medix2
14 hours ago
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@NautArch I'm not sure what you mean, the phrase is there to explain that only a creature makes the saving throw. I honestly don't understand how this implies the existence of non-creature living beings
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– Medix2
14 hours ago
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And with OP's final question, they're asking if it is simply object v. creature dichotomy, or if there is something else that qualifies as not-object, but not-creature.
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– NautArch
13 hours ago
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And with OP's final question, they're asking if it is simply object v. creature dichotomy, or if there is something else that qualifies as not-object, but not-creature.
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– NautArch
13 hours ago
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@NautArch Added that in now
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– Medix2
13 hours ago
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@NautArch Added that in now
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– Medix2
13 hours ago
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@StackLloyd I'm not sure this is a duplicate, since this question seems to be about confusion around the wrathful smite description specifically, rather than the "creature" thing that the other question explores.
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I'm not sure we can answer the first part of your last question (that's designer intent, which we hold as off-topic), but we could potentially answer the second. I've deleted the first part, but you can always roll back that edit.
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If your real question is "are there things which are neither creatures nor objects?" I would change the title of your question to reflect this
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