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What is the probability of a biased coin coming up heads given that a liar is claiming that the coin came up heads?
Applied Probability- Bayes theoremWhat is the probability that the coin drawn is fairFinding probability in the case of a biased coinat least one coin has occured then the probability that coin produced different result = (1)2P1p2p1+p2−2p1p2Probability of exactly one head from two coin toss (biased)Biased coin toss probabilityWhat is the Probability that coin is tossed three times1 Biased Coin and 1 Fair Coin, probability of 3rd Head given first 2 tosses are head?What is p(biased coin given heads) in 2 Fair coin, 1 biased coin experimentOne coin chosen between a biased coin and a fair coin, and is tossed n times. Find probability of having gotten the biased coin.How to find the number of tosses a biased coin goes through until a tail occurs?
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A biased coin is tossed.
Probability of Head - $frac18$
Probability of Tail - $frac78$
A liar watches the coin toss. Probability of his lying is $frac34$ and telling the truth is $frac14$. He says that that the outcome is Head. What is the probability that the coin has truly turned Head?
My Attempt:
I used the formula: $$P(A mid B) = fracP(Acap B)P(B)$$
$ $P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = P(it's head AND liar said it's head) / P(liar said it's head)
or, P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = $frac frac18 frac14 frac78frac34 + frac18frac14 $ [using a probability tree will be helpful here]
or, P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = $frac122$
The Question: Is the method I used wrong in any way? Some others I have talked to are saying the answer will be $frac14$. Their reasoning is this: since the liar lies 3 times out of 4 and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is 1/4. So who is right? What will be the answer?
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A biased coin is tossed.
Probability of Head - $frac18$
Probability of Tail - $frac78$
A liar watches the coin toss. Probability of his lying is $frac34$ and telling the truth is $frac14$. He says that that the outcome is Head. What is the probability that the coin has truly turned Head?
My Attempt:
I used the formula: $$P(A mid B) = fracP(Acap B)P(B)$$
$ $P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = P(it's head AND liar said it's head) / P(liar said it's head)
or, P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = $frac frac18 frac14 frac78frac34 + frac18frac14 $ [using a probability tree will be helpful here]
or, P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = $frac122$
The Question: Is the method I used wrong in any way? Some others I have talked to are saying the answer will be $frac14$. Their reasoning is this: since the liar lies 3 times out of 4 and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is 1/4. So who is right? What will be the answer?
probability conditional-probability
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To continue with your method, you need to add $P(textit is head given liar says tail)$.
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– Toby Mak
13 hours ago
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Is the probability of the liar lying 3/4, or is the probability of the liar lying in this case 3/4? I.e. are the result of the cointoss and the liar's response correlated?
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12 hours ago
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To convince yourself that "others" are wrong let the probability on head be $0$ and on tail $1$. Then again they will argue that the answer is $frac14$ which is evidently wrong.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
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Before the liar spoke, and before we see how the coin actually fell, we should say there is a $frac18$ probability of heads. Now someone says it is heads, and it is known that this person usually lies--does that make it more likely that the coin is heads? All those "others" are saying that it does!
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FYI, your friends who say 1/4 are committing the base rate fallacy.
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A biased coin is tossed.
Probability of Head - $frac18$
Probability of Tail - $frac78$
A liar watches the coin toss. Probability of his lying is $frac34$ and telling the truth is $frac14$. He says that that the outcome is Head. What is the probability that the coin has truly turned Head?
My Attempt:
I used the formula: $$P(A mid B) = fracP(Acap B)P(B)$$
$ $P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = P(it's head AND liar said it's head) / P(liar said it's head)
or, P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = $frac frac18 frac14 frac78frac34 + frac18frac14 $ [using a probability tree will be helpful here]
or, P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = $frac122$
The Question: Is the method I used wrong in any way? Some others I have talked to are saying the answer will be $frac14$. Their reasoning is this: since the liar lies 3 times out of 4 and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is 1/4. So who is right? What will be the answer?
probability conditional-probability
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A biased coin is tossed.
Probability of Head - $frac18$
Probability of Tail - $frac78$
A liar watches the coin toss. Probability of his lying is $frac34$ and telling the truth is $frac14$. He says that that the outcome is Head. What is the probability that the coin has truly turned Head?
My Attempt:
I used the formula: $$P(A mid B) = fracP(Acap B)P(B)$$
$ $P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = P(it's head AND liar said it's head) / P(liar said it's head)
or, P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = $frac frac18 frac14 frac78frac34 + frac18frac14 $ [using a probability tree will be helpful here]
or, P(it is head GIVEN liar said it's head) = $frac122$
The Question: Is the method I used wrong in any way? Some others I have talked to are saying the answer will be $frac14$. Their reasoning is this: since the liar lies 3 times out of 4 and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is 1/4. So who is right? What will be the answer?
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To continue with your method, you need to add $P(textit is head given liar says tail)$.
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– Toby Mak
13 hours ago
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Is the probability of the liar lying 3/4, or is the probability of the liar lying in this case 3/4? I.e. are the result of the cointoss and the liar's response correlated?
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– bukwyrm
12 hours ago
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To convince yourself that "others" are wrong let the probability on head be $0$ and on tail $1$. Then again they will argue that the answer is $frac14$ which is evidently wrong.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
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Before the liar spoke, and before we see how the coin actually fell, we should say there is a $frac18$ probability of heads. Now someone says it is heads, and it is known that this person usually lies--does that make it more likely that the coin is heads? All those "others" are saying that it does!
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– David K
11 hours ago
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FYI, your friends who say 1/4 are committing the base rate fallacy.
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– Bridgeburners
2 hours ago
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To continue with your method, you need to add $P(textit is head given liar says tail)$.
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– Toby Mak
13 hours ago
1
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Is the probability of the liar lying 3/4, or is the probability of the liar lying in this case 3/4? I.e. are the result of the cointoss and the liar's response correlated?
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– bukwyrm
12 hours ago
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To convince yourself that "others" are wrong let the probability on head be $0$ and on tail $1$. Then again they will argue that the answer is $frac14$ which is evidently wrong.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
1
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Before the liar spoke, and before we see how the coin actually fell, we should say there is a $frac18$ probability of heads. Now someone says it is heads, and it is known that this person usually lies--does that make it more likely that the coin is heads? All those "others" are saying that it does!
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– David K
11 hours ago
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FYI, your friends who say 1/4 are committing the base rate fallacy.
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– Bridgeburners
2 hours ago
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To continue with your method, you need to add $P(textit is head given liar says tail)$.
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– Toby Mak
13 hours ago
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To continue with your method, you need to add $P(textit is head given liar says tail)$.
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– Toby Mak
13 hours ago
1
1
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Is the probability of the liar lying 3/4, or is the probability of the liar lying in this case 3/4? I.e. are the result of the cointoss and the liar's response correlated?
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– bukwyrm
12 hours ago
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Is the probability of the liar lying 3/4, or is the probability of the liar lying in this case 3/4? I.e. are the result of the cointoss and the liar's response correlated?
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– bukwyrm
12 hours ago
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To convince yourself that "others" are wrong let the probability on head be $0$ and on tail $1$. Then again they will argue that the answer is $frac14$ which is evidently wrong.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
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To convince yourself that "others" are wrong let the probability on head be $0$ and on tail $1$. Then again they will argue that the answer is $frac14$ which is evidently wrong.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
1
1
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Before the liar spoke, and before we see how the coin actually fell, we should say there is a $frac18$ probability of heads. Now someone says it is heads, and it is known that this person usually lies--does that make it more likely that the coin is heads? All those "others" are saying that it does!
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– David K
11 hours ago
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Before the liar spoke, and before we see how the coin actually fell, we should say there is a $frac18$ probability of heads. Now someone says it is heads, and it is known that this person usually lies--does that make it more likely that the coin is heads? All those "others" are saying that it does!
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– David K
11 hours ago
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FYI, your friends who say 1/4 are committing the base rate fallacy.
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– Bridgeburners
2 hours ago
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FYI, your friends who say 1/4 are committing the base rate fallacy.
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You're correct, an easy way to check this is by writing out the possible outcomes. In a perfect world, if we flip the coin 32 times the following will happen:
- 21 times it lands tails and the liar said head.
- 7 times it lands tails and the liar said tails.
- 3 times it lands head and the liar said tails.
- 1 time it lands head and the liar said head.
Since it is given that the liar said head there are 22 options left over, only one of which has the coin actually landing head.
I know this is not the proper way of solving this, but I always found it useful to write things out like this when I was getting confused about conditional probability.
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This is not improper. It is absolutely the right thing to do, before trying to remember which "magic probability formula" should be applied to the question.
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– Martin Kochanski
13 hours ago
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+1) Nice answer! Yes, I am praising myself too ;-). I will delete my answer though because it is exactly the same.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
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+1 As someone new to probability, I also find this useful.
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– Toby Mak
12 hours ago
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+1 Your method even has a name. You are using a contingency table built with natural frequencies. math.stackexchange.com/questions/2279851/…
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The Question: Is the method I used wrong in any way?
Nope, your solution is accurate. The coin is rarely heads and truthfully said to be so. The coin is much more often tails yet said to be heads. So when the result is said to be heads, the coin is quite unlikely to truly be heads.$$tfractfrac 18tfrac 14tfrac 18tfrac 14+tfrac 78tfrac 34=dfrac 122$$
Some others I have talked to are saying the answer will be $1/4$. Their reasoning is this: since the liar lies $3$ times out of $4$ and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is $1/4$. So who is right? What will be the answer?
Consider using another coin, one with two tails - so the result cannot truly be heads - while the reporter lies with the same probability as above. So if this coin is flipped and said to be heads, what is the (conditional) probability that the result is truly heads?
Your method says: $0$, while their method says $1/4$.
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I see now that in my comment I repeated what you already said here.
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12 hours ago
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I find a nice way to think about the problem is a table. First let's declare probabilities
P(Heads) = 1/8
P(Tails) = 7/8
P(Lie) = 3/4
P(Truth) = 1/4
With this information we can make the following table
+-------+------------+------------+
| | Says Heads | Says Tails |
+-------+------------+------------+
| Heads | (1/8)(1/4) | (1/8)(3/4) |
+-------+------------+------------+
| Tails | (7/8)(3/4) | (7/8)(1/4) |
+-------+------------+------------+
Since the liar already told us heads we can ignore the right column. So the Probability of P(Heads)P(Truth) would be P(Heads)P(Truth) over the sum of all other possibilities where the liar says heads, or
Your approach is correct but this is another way to justify the number you arrive to
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Your application of the conditional probability is correct.
since the liar lies 3 times out of 4 and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is 1/4.
One must remember he can say a truth or a lie. If it were indeed heads, then the probability of him telling the truth is 1/4 according to the given condition. But there is 3/4 probability he is lying, that is, it was tails and he is calling it heads.
In fact, with the information "he said it is head", the sample space consists of the two outcomes: (it was heads and he told truth) or (it was tails and he lied). The question is asking the probability of the first outcome happening. Hence, it is the probability of the first out of total probability of the two outcomes, which you calculated correctly.
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You're correct, an easy way to check this is by writing out the possible outcomes. In a perfect world, if we flip the coin 32 times the following will happen:
- 21 times it lands tails and the liar said head.
- 7 times it lands tails and the liar said tails.
- 3 times it lands head and the liar said tails.
- 1 time it lands head and the liar said head.
Since it is given that the liar said head there are 22 options left over, only one of which has the coin actually landing head.
I know this is not the proper way of solving this, but I always found it useful to write things out like this when I was getting confused about conditional probability.
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This is not improper. It is absolutely the right thing to do, before trying to remember which "magic probability formula" should be applied to the question.
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– Martin Kochanski
13 hours ago
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+1) Nice answer! Yes, I am praising myself too ;-). I will delete my answer though because it is exactly the same.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
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+1 As someone new to probability, I also find this useful.
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– Toby Mak
12 hours ago
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+1 Your method even has a name. You are using a contingency table built with natural frequencies. math.stackexchange.com/questions/2279851/…
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– Ethan Bolker
2 hours ago
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You're correct, an easy way to check this is by writing out the possible outcomes. In a perfect world, if we flip the coin 32 times the following will happen:
- 21 times it lands tails and the liar said head.
- 7 times it lands tails and the liar said tails.
- 3 times it lands head and the liar said tails.
- 1 time it lands head and the liar said head.
Since it is given that the liar said head there are 22 options left over, only one of which has the coin actually landing head.
I know this is not the proper way of solving this, but I always found it useful to write things out like this when I was getting confused about conditional probability.
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This is not improper. It is absolutely the right thing to do, before trying to remember which "magic probability formula" should be applied to the question.
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– Martin Kochanski
13 hours ago
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+1) Nice answer! Yes, I am praising myself too ;-). I will delete my answer though because it is exactly the same.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
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+1 As someone new to probability, I also find this useful.
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– Toby Mak
12 hours ago
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+1 Your method even has a name. You are using a contingency table built with natural frequencies. math.stackexchange.com/questions/2279851/…
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– Ethan Bolker
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You're correct, an easy way to check this is by writing out the possible outcomes. In a perfect world, if we flip the coin 32 times the following will happen:
- 21 times it lands tails and the liar said head.
- 7 times it lands tails and the liar said tails.
- 3 times it lands head and the liar said tails.
- 1 time it lands head and the liar said head.
Since it is given that the liar said head there are 22 options left over, only one of which has the coin actually landing head.
I know this is not the proper way of solving this, but I always found it useful to write things out like this when I was getting confused about conditional probability.
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You're correct, an easy way to check this is by writing out the possible outcomes. In a perfect world, if we flip the coin 32 times the following will happen:
- 21 times it lands tails and the liar said head.
- 7 times it lands tails and the liar said tails.
- 3 times it lands head and the liar said tails.
- 1 time it lands head and the liar said head.
Since it is given that the liar said head there are 22 options left over, only one of which has the coin actually landing head.
I know this is not the proper way of solving this, but I always found it useful to write things out like this when I was getting confused about conditional probability.
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This is not improper. It is absolutely the right thing to do, before trying to remember which "magic probability formula" should be applied to the question.
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– Martin Kochanski
13 hours ago
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+1) Nice answer! Yes, I am praising myself too ;-). I will delete my answer though because it is exactly the same.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
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+1 As someone new to probability, I also find this useful.
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– Toby Mak
12 hours ago
1
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+1 Your method even has a name. You are using a contingency table built with natural frequencies. math.stackexchange.com/questions/2279851/…
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– Ethan Bolker
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This is not improper. It is absolutely the right thing to do, before trying to remember which "magic probability formula" should be applied to the question.
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– Martin Kochanski
13 hours ago
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+1) Nice answer! Yes, I am praising myself too ;-). I will delete my answer though because it is exactly the same.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
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+1 As someone new to probability, I also find this useful.
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– Toby Mak
12 hours ago
1
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+1 Your method even has a name. You are using a contingency table built with natural frequencies. math.stackexchange.com/questions/2279851/…
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– Ethan Bolker
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This is not improper. It is absolutely the right thing to do, before trying to remember which "magic probability formula" should be applied to the question.
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– Martin Kochanski
13 hours ago
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This is not improper. It is absolutely the right thing to do, before trying to remember which "magic probability formula" should be applied to the question.
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– Martin Kochanski
13 hours ago
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+1) Nice answer! Yes, I am praising myself too ;-). I will delete my answer though because it is exactly the same.
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– drhab
12 hours ago
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+1) Nice answer! Yes, I am praising myself too ;-). I will delete my answer though because it is exactly the same.
$endgroup$
– drhab
12 hours ago
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+1 As someone new to probability, I also find this useful.
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– Toby Mak
12 hours ago
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+1 As someone new to probability, I also find this useful.
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– Toby Mak
12 hours ago
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+1 Your method even has a name. You are using a contingency table built with natural frequencies. math.stackexchange.com/questions/2279851/…
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– Ethan Bolker
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+1 Your method even has a name. You are using a contingency table built with natural frequencies. math.stackexchange.com/questions/2279851/…
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– Ethan Bolker
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The Question: Is the method I used wrong in any way?
Nope, your solution is accurate. The coin is rarely heads and truthfully said to be so. The coin is much more often tails yet said to be heads. So when the result is said to be heads, the coin is quite unlikely to truly be heads.$$tfractfrac 18tfrac 14tfrac 18tfrac 14+tfrac 78tfrac 34=dfrac 122$$
Some others I have talked to are saying the answer will be $1/4$. Their reasoning is this: since the liar lies $3$ times out of $4$ and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is $1/4$. So who is right? What will be the answer?
Consider using another coin, one with two tails - so the result cannot truly be heads - while the reporter lies with the same probability as above. So if this coin is flipped and said to be heads, what is the (conditional) probability that the result is truly heads?
Your method says: $0$, while their method says $1/4$.
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I see now that in my comment I repeated what you already said here.
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– drhab
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The Question: Is the method I used wrong in any way?
Nope, your solution is accurate. The coin is rarely heads and truthfully said to be so. The coin is much more often tails yet said to be heads. So when the result is said to be heads, the coin is quite unlikely to truly be heads.$$tfractfrac 18tfrac 14tfrac 18tfrac 14+tfrac 78tfrac 34=dfrac 122$$
Some others I have talked to are saying the answer will be $1/4$. Their reasoning is this: since the liar lies $3$ times out of $4$ and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is $1/4$. So who is right? What will be the answer?
Consider using another coin, one with two tails - so the result cannot truly be heads - while the reporter lies with the same probability as above. So if this coin is flipped and said to be heads, what is the (conditional) probability that the result is truly heads?
Your method says: $0$, while their method says $1/4$.
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I see now that in my comment I repeated what you already said here.
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The Question: Is the method I used wrong in any way?
Nope, your solution is accurate. The coin is rarely heads and truthfully said to be so. The coin is much more often tails yet said to be heads. So when the result is said to be heads, the coin is quite unlikely to truly be heads.$$tfractfrac 18tfrac 14tfrac 18tfrac 14+tfrac 78tfrac 34=dfrac 122$$
Some others I have talked to are saying the answer will be $1/4$. Their reasoning is this: since the liar lies $3$ times out of $4$ and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is $1/4$. So who is right? What will be the answer?
Consider using another coin, one with two tails - so the result cannot truly be heads - while the reporter lies with the same probability as above. So if this coin is flipped and said to be heads, what is the (conditional) probability that the result is truly heads?
Your method says: $0$, while their method says $1/4$.
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The Question: Is the method I used wrong in any way?
Nope, your solution is accurate. The coin is rarely heads and truthfully said to be so. The coin is much more often tails yet said to be heads. So when the result is said to be heads, the coin is quite unlikely to truly be heads.$$tfractfrac 18tfrac 14tfrac 18tfrac 14+tfrac 78tfrac 34=dfrac 122$$
Some others I have talked to are saying the answer will be $1/4$. Their reasoning is this: since the liar lies $3$ times out of $4$ and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is $1/4$. So who is right? What will be the answer?
Consider using another coin, one with two tails - so the result cannot truly be heads - while the reporter lies with the same probability as above. So if this coin is flipped and said to be heads, what is the (conditional) probability that the result is truly heads?
Your method says: $0$, while their method says $1/4$.
answered 12 hours ago
Graham KempGraham Kemp
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I see now that in my comment I repeated what you already said here.
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I see now that in my comment I repeated what you already said here.
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– drhab
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I see now that in my comment I repeated what you already said here.
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I see now that in my comment I repeated what you already said here.
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I find a nice way to think about the problem is a table. First let's declare probabilities
P(Heads) = 1/8
P(Tails) = 7/8
P(Lie) = 3/4
P(Truth) = 1/4
With this information we can make the following table
+-------+------------+------------+
| | Says Heads | Says Tails |
+-------+------------+------------+
| Heads | (1/8)(1/4) | (1/8)(3/4) |
+-------+------------+------------+
| Tails | (7/8)(3/4) | (7/8)(1/4) |
+-------+------------+------------+
Since the liar already told us heads we can ignore the right column. So the Probability of P(Heads)P(Truth) would be P(Heads)P(Truth) over the sum of all other possibilities where the liar says heads, or
Your approach is correct but this is another way to justify the number you arrive to
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I find a nice way to think about the problem is a table. First let's declare probabilities
P(Heads) = 1/8
P(Tails) = 7/8
P(Lie) = 3/4
P(Truth) = 1/4
With this information we can make the following table
+-------+------------+------------+
| | Says Heads | Says Tails |
+-------+------------+------------+
| Heads | (1/8)(1/4) | (1/8)(3/4) |
+-------+------------+------------+
| Tails | (7/8)(3/4) | (7/8)(1/4) |
+-------+------------+------------+
Since the liar already told us heads we can ignore the right column. So the Probability of P(Heads)P(Truth) would be P(Heads)P(Truth) over the sum of all other possibilities where the liar says heads, or
Your approach is correct but this is another way to justify the number you arrive to
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I find a nice way to think about the problem is a table. First let's declare probabilities
P(Heads) = 1/8
P(Tails) = 7/8
P(Lie) = 3/4
P(Truth) = 1/4
With this information we can make the following table
+-------+------------+------------+
| | Says Heads | Says Tails |
+-------+------------+------------+
| Heads | (1/8)(1/4) | (1/8)(3/4) |
+-------+------------+------------+
| Tails | (7/8)(3/4) | (7/8)(1/4) |
+-------+------------+------------+
Since the liar already told us heads we can ignore the right column. So the Probability of P(Heads)P(Truth) would be P(Heads)P(Truth) over the sum of all other possibilities where the liar says heads, or
Your approach is correct but this is another way to justify the number you arrive to
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I find a nice way to think about the problem is a table. First let's declare probabilities
P(Heads) = 1/8
P(Tails) = 7/8
P(Lie) = 3/4
P(Truth) = 1/4
With this information we can make the following table
+-------+------------+------------+
| | Says Heads | Says Tails |
+-------+------------+------------+
| Heads | (1/8)(1/4) | (1/8)(3/4) |
+-------+------------+------------+
| Tails | (7/8)(3/4) | (7/8)(1/4) |
+-------+------------+------------+
Since the liar already told us heads we can ignore the right column. So the Probability of P(Heads)P(Truth) would be P(Heads)P(Truth) over the sum of all other possibilities where the liar says heads, or
Your approach is correct but this is another way to justify the number you arrive to
answered 1 hour ago
Mitchel PaulinMitchel Paulin
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Your application of the conditional probability is correct.
since the liar lies 3 times out of 4 and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is 1/4.
One must remember he can say a truth or a lie. If it were indeed heads, then the probability of him telling the truth is 1/4 according to the given condition. But there is 3/4 probability he is lying, that is, it was tails and he is calling it heads.
In fact, with the information "he said it is head", the sample space consists of the two outcomes: (it was heads and he told truth) or (it was tails and he lied). The question is asking the probability of the first outcome happening. Hence, it is the probability of the first out of total probability of the two outcomes, which you calculated correctly.
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Your application of the conditional probability is correct.
since the liar lies 3 times out of 4 and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is 1/4.
One must remember he can say a truth or a lie. If it were indeed heads, then the probability of him telling the truth is 1/4 according to the given condition. But there is 3/4 probability he is lying, that is, it was tails and he is calling it heads.
In fact, with the information "he said it is head", the sample space consists of the two outcomes: (it was heads and he told truth) or (it was tails and he lied). The question is asking the probability of the first outcome happening. Hence, it is the probability of the first out of total probability of the two outcomes, which you calculated correctly.
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Your application of the conditional probability is correct.
since the liar lies 3 times out of 4 and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is 1/4.
One must remember he can say a truth or a lie. If it were indeed heads, then the probability of him telling the truth is 1/4 according to the given condition. But there is 3/4 probability he is lying, that is, it was tails and he is calling it heads.
In fact, with the information "he said it is head", the sample space consists of the two outcomes: (it was heads and he told truth) or (it was tails and he lied). The question is asking the probability of the first outcome happening. Hence, it is the probability of the first out of total probability of the two outcomes, which you calculated correctly.
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Your application of the conditional probability is correct.
since the liar lies 3 times out of 4 and he said it is head, then the probability of it being head is 1/4.
One must remember he can say a truth or a lie. If it were indeed heads, then the probability of him telling the truth is 1/4 according to the given condition. But there is 3/4 probability he is lying, that is, it was tails and he is calling it heads.
In fact, with the information "he said it is head", the sample space consists of the two outcomes: (it was heads and he told truth) or (it was tails and he lied). The question is asking the probability of the first outcome happening. Hence, it is the probability of the first out of total probability of the two outcomes, which you calculated correctly.
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To continue with your method, you need to add $P(textit is head given liar says tail)$.
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– Toby Mak
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Is the probability of the liar lying 3/4, or is the probability of the liar lying in this case 3/4? I.e. are the result of the cointoss and the liar's response correlated?
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– bukwyrm
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To convince yourself that "others" are wrong let the probability on head be $0$ and on tail $1$. Then again they will argue that the answer is $frac14$ which is evidently wrong.
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– drhab
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Before the liar spoke, and before we see how the coin actually fell, we should say there is a $frac18$ probability of heads. Now someone says it is heads, and it is known that this person usually lies--does that make it more likely that the coin is heads? All those "others" are saying that it does!
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– David K
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FYI, your friends who say 1/4 are committing the base rate fallacy.
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