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Do any languages mention the top limit of a range first?
Do any languages have clear morpho-syntactic constructions that mark backgrounding and foregrounding?Are there any languages in which verbs are a closed class?Is there a language that begins range expressions with the higher/later datum?What are languages whose name contains the word for “language”?Are there any purely monosyllabic languages in use today?Are there any languages that use rapidly repeated or stammered/stuttered sounds for differentiation?Are there any European languages that read out dates in the order of year, month, day?Are there any languages where the first person cannot be an object?Are there any languages which inflect the noun for morphosyntactic categories normally reserved for verbs (e.g. tense, aspect, etc.)?Languages with a common, productive construction for marking heterogeneous groups
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In many languages we usually say "between min and max" (e.g., grades "between 1 and 10").
Are there any languages where the reverse construction ("between max and min", e.g. grades "between 10 and 1") is used?
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In many languages we usually say "between min and max" (e.g., grades "between 1 and 10").
Are there any languages where the reverse construction ("between max and min", e.g. grades "between 10 and 1") is used?
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There are, presumably in all languages, situations where the top limit is mentioned first. For example, we may talk about "between 10 and 20 metres below sea level".
So this seems to be primarily a matter of which limit is felt 'closer' to the speaker (and that would be the limit that is mentioned first). Because we normally count up, the lower limit is more likely to be the first to be mentioned and would also be the default if not one of the limits is felt 'closer'.
Also in the example of grades "between 1 and 10", you could argue that 1 is the easiest to obtain and therefore 'closer' to the speaker (I would be interested to know whether Americans say "grades from F to A" or "from A to F", because that could falsify this claim).
1
In terms of grades of achievement for public examinations, in England (& Wales), the Edexcel Mathematics GCSE specification states: "The qualification will be graded and certificated on a nine-grade scale from 9 to 1 using the total mark across all three papers where 9 is the highest grade", and then for the tiering states "Foundation tier: grades 1 to 5" and also "Higher tier: grades 4 to 9 (grade 3 allowed)".
– Michaelyus
16 hours ago
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While not really a question of "upper" and "lower" limits, exits on highways in the US are often numbered, and if you're travelling toward the end of the highway where the exit numbers start, traffic reports for that direction will often say things like "congestion from (e.g.,) exit 31 to 15".
– Jeff Zeitlin
15 hours ago
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In “between 10 and 20 metres below sea level”, 20 metres is still the top limit, even if it’s further down below the surface. Of course there can always be some external factor that makes it relevant to specify the upper limit first, but as I understand the question, it is about giving ‘neutral’ ranges; for example, would any language naturally say, “We talked to each for about ten to five minutes” (instead of “five to ten minutes”)? I suspect the ‘proximity’ factor you mention is fairly universal and the answer is no, but I don’t know.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
12 hours ago
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@JeffZeitlin : We similarly have some dates backwards, as ‘Cleopatra (69–30 BCE)’.
– Toby Bartels
10 hours ago
1
@TobyBartels - Indeed; that's a better example than mine; it just never occurred to me.
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In German, I am aware of two instances where the "reverse" order is used:
1) The weather forecast of the newscast "Tagesschau" (and quite possibly many other weather forecasts, but not all) always states the range of lowest expected temperatures with the higest number first. From today's 8pm broadcast:
In der Nacht 19 bis 12 Grad; am Tag 18 Grad im südwestlichen Bergland, 27 in der Niederlausitz.
Translation:
At night, 19 to 12 degrees [celsius]; during the day, 18 degrees in the southwestern uplands, 27 degrees in Lower Lusatia.
I is used very consistently. Here are the archived broadcasts of the last few days.:
- https://youtu.be/kADSW8lqb60?t=882
- https://youtu.be/4kRKGXeYigg?t=972
- https://youtu.be/t8JOLMGEMSw?t=903
- https://youtu.be/yBssC2K_LmY?t=886
- https://youtu.be/6oZLJJC2hts?t=952
If you understand a little bit of German, you can listen out for the numbers and for the word "Grad" (degrees).
Usage of this ordering goes back a long way. See for example this 1983 recording:
Tiefsttemperaturen 5 bis 1, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 7[!] bis 12 Grad
yes, he says 7, even though the thermometer graphic displays 9
However, these even older recordings use "standard ordering":
December 30, 1973
Im Norden Tiefsttemperaturen 1 bis 5 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 4 bis 7 [cut off]
July 30, 1979
Tiefsttemperaturen in der Nacht 11 bis 15 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 20 bis 25 Grad, nur im Norden etwas weniger.
2) Some cities (particularly those with inconsistent numbering schemes) add house number range information to all or some of their street name signs. The house number that is closest to the location of the sign is stated first, followed by the last house number before the next (major) intersection, which often results in the larger number coming first. This Berlin-style sign shows for example "56 – 48".
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There are, presumably in all languages, situations where the top limit is mentioned first. For example, we may talk about "between 10 and 20 metres below sea level".
So this seems to be primarily a matter of which limit is felt 'closer' to the speaker (and that would be the limit that is mentioned first). Because we normally count up, the lower limit is more likely to be the first to be mentioned and would also be the default if not one of the limits is felt 'closer'.
Also in the example of grades "between 1 and 10", you could argue that 1 is the easiest to obtain and therefore 'closer' to the speaker (I would be interested to know whether Americans say "grades from F to A" or "from A to F", because that could falsify this claim).
1
In terms of grades of achievement for public examinations, in England (& Wales), the Edexcel Mathematics GCSE specification states: "The qualification will be graded and certificated on a nine-grade scale from 9 to 1 using the total mark across all three papers where 9 is the highest grade", and then for the tiering states "Foundation tier: grades 1 to 5" and also "Higher tier: grades 4 to 9 (grade 3 allowed)".
– Michaelyus
16 hours ago
3
While not really a question of "upper" and "lower" limits, exits on highways in the US are often numbered, and if you're travelling toward the end of the highway where the exit numbers start, traffic reports for that direction will often say things like "congestion from (e.g.,) exit 31 to 15".
– Jeff Zeitlin
15 hours ago
1
In “between 10 and 20 metres below sea level”, 20 metres is still the top limit, even if it’s further down below the surface. Of course there can always be some external factor that makes it relevant to specify the upper limit first, but as I understand the question, it is about giving ‘neutral’ ranges; for example, would any language naturally say, “We talked to each for about ten to five minutes” (instead of “five to ten minutes”)? I suspect the ‘proximity’ factor you mention is fairly universal and the answer is no, but I don’t know.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
12 hours ago
5
@JeffZeitlin : We similarly have some dates backwards, as ‘Cleopatra (69–30 BCE)’.
– Toby Bartels
10 hours ago
1
@TobyBartels - Indeed; that's a better example than mine; it just never occurred to me.
– Jeff Zeitlin
10 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
There are, presumably in all languages, situations where the top limit is mentioned first. For example, we may talk about "between 10 and 20 metres below sea level".
So this seems to be primarily a matter of which limit is felt 'closer' to the speaker (and that would be the limit that is mentioned first). Because we normally count up, the lower limit is more likely to be the first to be mentioned and would also be the default if not one of the limits is felt 'closer'.
Also in the example of grades "between 1 and 10", you could argue that 1 is the easiest to obtain and therefore 'closer' to the speaker (I would be interested to know whether Americans say "grades from F to A" or "from A to F", because that could falsify this claim).
1
In terms of grades of achievement for public examinations, in England (& Wales), the Edexcel Mathematics GCSE specification states: "The qualification will be graded and certificated on a nine-grade scale from 9 to 1 using the total mark across all three papers where 9 is the highest grade", and then for the tiering states "Foundation tier: grades 1 to 5" and also "Higher tier: grades 4 to 9 (grade 3 allowed)".
– Michaelyus
16 hours ago
3
While not really a question of "upper" and "lower" limits, exits on highways in the US are often numbered, and if you're travelling toward the end of the highway where the exit numbers start, traffic reports for that direction will often say things like "congestion from (e.g.,) exit 31 to 15".
– Jeff Zeitlin
15 hours ago
1
In “between 10 and 20 metres below sea level”, 20 metres is still the top limit, even if it’s further down below the surface. Of course there can always be some external factor that makes it relevant to specify the upper limit first, but as I understand the question, it is about giving ‘neutral’ ranges; for example, would any language naturally say, “We talked to each for about ten to five minutes” (instead of “five to ten minutes”)? I suspect the ‘proximity’ factor you mention is fairly universal and the answer is no, but I don’t know.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
12 hours ago
5
@JeffZeitlin : We similarly have some dates backwards, as ‘Cleopatra (69–30 BCE)’.
– Toby Bartels
10 hours ago
1
@TobyBartels - Indeed; that's a better example than mine; it just never occurred to me.
– Jeff Zeitlin
10 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
There are, presumably in all languages, situations where the top limit is mentioned first. For example, we may talk about "between 10 and 20 metres below sea level".
So this seems to be primarily a matter of which limit is felt 'closer' to the speaker (and that would be the limit that is mentioned first). Because we normally count up, the lower limit is more likely to be the first to be mentioned and would also be the default if not one of the limits is felt 'closer'.
Also in the example of grades "between 1 and 10", you could argue that 1 is the easiest to obtain and therefore 'closer' to the speaker (I would be interested to know whether Americans say "grades from F to A" or "from A to F", because that could falsify this claim).
There are, presumably in all languages, situations where the top limit is mentioned first. For example, we may talk about "between 10 and 20 metres below sea level".
So this seems to be primarily a matter of which limit is felt 'closer' to the speaker (and that would be the limit that is mentioned first). Because we normally count up, the lower limit is more likely to be the first to be mentioned and would also be the default if not one of the limits is felt 'closer'.
Also in the example of grades "between 1 and 10", you could argue that 1 is the easiest to obtain and therefore 'closer' to the speaker (I would be interested to know whether Americans say "grades from F to A" or "from A to F", because that could falsify this claim).
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In terms of grades of achievement for public examinations, in England (& Wales), the Edexcel Mathematics GCSE specification states: "The qualification will be graded and certificated on a nine-grade scale from 9 to 1 using the total mark across all three papers where 9 is the highest grade", and then for the tiering states "Foundation tier: grades 1 to 5" and also "Higher tier: grades 4 to 9 (grade 3 allowed)".
– Michaelyus
16 hours ago
3
While not really a question of "upper" and "lower" limits, exits on highways in the US are often numbered, and if you're travelling toward the end of the highway where the exit numbers start, traffic reports for that direction will often say things like "congestion from (e.g.,) exit 31 to 15".
– Jeff Zeitlin
15 hours ago
1
In “between 10 and 20 metres below sea level”, 20 metres is still the top limit, even if it’s further down below the surface. Of course there can always be some external factor that makes it relevant to specify the upper limit first, but as I understand the question, it is about giving ‘neutral’ ranges; for example, would any language naturally say, “We talked to each for about ten to five minutes” (instead of “five to ten minutes”)? I suspect the ‘proximity’ factor you mention is fairly universal and the answer is no, but I don’t know.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
12 hours ago
5
@JeffZeitlin : We similarly have some dates backwards, as ‘Cleopatra (69–30 BCE)’.
– Toby Bartels
10 hours ago
1
@TobyBartels - Indeed; that's a better example than mine; it just never occurred to me.
– Jeff Zeitlin
10 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
1
In terms of grades of achievement for public examinations, in England (& Wales), the Edexcel Mathematics GCSE specification states: "The qualification will be graded and certificated on a nine-grade scale from 9 to 1 using the total mark across all three papers where 9 is the highest grade", and then for the tiering states "Foundation tier: grades 1 to 5" and also "Higher tier: grades 4 to 9 (grade 3 allowed)".
– Michaelyus
16 hours ago
3
While not really a question of "upper" and "lower" limits, exits on highways in the US are often numbered, and if you're travelling toward the end of the highway where the exit numbers start, traffic reports for that direction will often say things like "congestion from (e.g.,) exit 31 to 15".
– Jeff Zeitlin
15 hours ago
1
In “between 10 and 20 metres below sea level”, 20 metres is still the top limit, even if it’s further down below the surface. Of course there can always be some external factor that makes it relevant to specify the upper limit first, but as I understand the question, it is about giving ‘neutral’ ranges; for example, would any language naturally say, “We talked to each for about ten to five minutes” (instead of “five to ten minutes”)? I suspect the ‘proximity’ factor you mention is fairly universal and the answer is no, but I don’t know.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
12 hours ago
5
@JeffZeitlin : We similarly have some dates backwards, as ‘Cleopatra (69–30 BCE)’.
– Toby Bartels
10 hours ago
1
@TobyBartels - Indeed; that's a better example than mine; it just never occurred to me.
– Jeff Zeitlin
10 hours ago
1
1
In terms of grades of achievement for public examinations, in England (& Wales), the Edexcel Mathematics GCSE specification states: "The qualification will be graded and certificated on a nine-grade scale from 9 to 1 using the total mark across all three papers where 9 is the highest grade", and then for the tiering states "Foundation tier: grades 1 to 5" and also "Higher tier: grades 4 to 9 (grade 3 allowed)".
– Michaelyus
16 hours ago
In terms of grades of achievement for public examinations, in England (& Wales), the Edexcel Mathematics GCSE specification states: "The qualification will be graded and certificated on a nine-grade scale from 9 to 1 using the total mark across all three papers where 9 is the highest grade", and then for the tiering states "Foundation tier: grades 1 to 5" and also "Higher tier: grades 4 to 9 (grade 3 allowed)".
– Michaelyus
16 hours ago
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While not really a question of "upper" and "lower" limits, exits on highways in the US are often numbered, and if you're travelling toward the end of the highway where the exit numbers start, traffic reports for that direction will often say things like "congestion from (e.g.,) exit 31 to 15".
– Jeff Zeitlin
15 hours ago
While not really a question of "upper" and "lower" limits, exits on highways in the US are often numbered, and if you're travelling toward the end of the highway where the exit numbers start, traffic reports for that direction will often say things like "congestion from (e.g.,) exit 31 to 15".
– Jeff Zeitlin
15 hours ago
1
1
In “between 10 and 20 metres below sea level”, 20 metres is still the top limit, even if it’s further down below the surface. Of course there can always be some external factor that makes it relevant to specify the upper limit first, but as I understand the question, it is about giving ‘neutral’ ranges; for example, would any language naturally say, “We talked to each for about ten to five minutes” (instead of “five to ten minutes”)? I suspect the ‘proximity’ factor you mention is fairly universal and the answer is no, but I don’t know.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
12 hours ago
In “between 10 and 20 metres below sea level”, 20 metres is still the top limit, even if it’s further down below the surface. Of course there can always be some external factor that makes it relevant to specify the upper limit first, but as I understand the question, it is about giving ‘neutral’ ranges; for example, would any language naturally say, “We talked to each for about ten to five minutes” (instead of “five to ten minutes”)? I suspect the ‘proximity’ factor you mention is fairly universal and the answer is no, but I don’t know.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
12 hours ago
5
5
@JeffZeitlin : We similarly have some dates backwards, as ‘Cleopatra (69–30 BCE)’.
– Toby Bartels
10 hours ago
@JeffZeitlin : We similarly have some dates backwards, as ‘Cleopatra (69–30 BCE)’.
– Toby Bartels
10 hours ago
1
1
@TobyBartels - Indeed; that's a better example than mine; it just never occurred to me.
– Jeff Zeitlin
10 hours ago
@TobyBartels - Indeed; that's a better example than mine; it just never occurred to me.
– Jeff Zeitlin
10 hours ago
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In German, I am aware of two instances where the "reverse" order is used:
1) The weather forecast of the newscast "Tagesschau" (and quite possibly many other weather forecasts, but not all) always states the range of lowest expected temperatures with the higest number first. From today's 8pm broadcast:
In der Nacht 19 bis 12 Grad; am Tag 18 Grad im südwestlichen Bergland, 27 in der Niederlausitz.
Translation:
At night, 19 to 12 degrees [celsius]; during the day, 18 degrees in the southwestern uplands, 27 degrees in Lower Lusatia.
I is used very consistently. Here are the archived broadcasts of the last few days.:
- https://youtu.be/kADSW8lqb60?t=882
- https://youtu.be/4kRKGXeYigg?t=972
- https://youtu.be/t8JOLMGEMSw?t=903
- https://youtu.be/yBssC2K_LmY?t=886
- https://youtu.be/6oZLJJC2hts?t=952
If you understand a little bit of German, you can listen out for the numbers and for the word "Grad" (degrees).
Usage of this ordering goes back a long way. See for example this 1983 recording:
Tiefsttemperaturen 5 bis 1, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 7[!] bis 12 Grad
yes, he says 7, even though the thermometer graphic displays 9
However, these even older recordings use "standard ordering":
December 30, 1973
Im Norden Tiefsttemperaturen 1 bis 5 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 4 bis 7 [cut off]
July 30, 1979
Tiefsttemperaturen in der Nacht 11 bis 15 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 20 bis 25 Grad, nur im Norden etwas weniger.
2) Some cities (particularly those with inconsistent numbering schemes) add house number range information to all or some of their street name signs. The house number that is closest to the location of the sign is stated first, followed by the last house number before the next (major) intersection, which often results in the larger number coming first. This Berlin-style sign shows for example "56 – 48".
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In German, I am aware of two instances where the "reverse" order is used:
1) The weather forecast of the newscast "Tagesschau" (and quite possibly many other weather forecasts, but not all) always states the range of lowest expected temperatures with the higest number first. From today's 8pm broadcast:
In der Nacht 19 bis 12 Grad; am Tag 18 Grad im südwestlichen Bergland, 27 in der Niederlausitz.
Translation:
At night, 19 to 12 degrees [celsius]; during the day, 18 degrees in the southwestern uplands, 27 degrees in Lower Lusatia.
I is used very consistently. Here are the archived broadcasts of the last few days.:
- https://youtu.be/kADSW8lqb60?t=882
- https://youtu.be/4kRKGXeYigg?t=972
- https://youtu.be/t8JOLMGEMSw?t=903
- https://youtu.be/yBssC2K_LmY?t=886
- https://youtu.be/6oZLJJC2hts?t=952
If you understand a little bit of German, you can listen out for the numbers and for the word "Grad" (degrees).
Usage of this ordering goes back a long way. See for example this 1983 recording:
Tiefsttemperaturen 5 bis 1, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 7[!] bis 12 Grad
yes, he says 7, even though the thermometer graphic displays 9
However, these even older recordings use "standard ordering":
December 30, 1973
Im Norden Tiefsttemperaturen 1 bis 5 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 4 bis 7 [cut off]
July 30, 1979
Tiefsttemperaturen in der Nacht 11 bis 15 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 20 bis 25 Grad, nur im Norden etwas weniger.
2) Some cities (particularly those with inconsistent numbering schemes) add house number range information to all or some of their street name signs. The house number that is closest to the location of the sign is stated first, followed by the last house number before the next (major) intersection, which often results in the larger number coming first. This Berlin-style sign shows for example "56 – 48".
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In German, I am aware of two instances where the "reverse" order is used:
1) The weather forecast of the newscast "Tagesschau" (and quite possibly many other weather forecasts, but not all) always states the range of lowest expected temperatures with the higest number first. From today's 8pm broadcast:
In der Nacht 19 bis 12 Grad; am Tag 18 Grad im südwestlichen Bergland, 27 in der Niederlausitz.
Translation:
At night, 19 to 12 degrees [celsius]; during the day, 18 degrees in the southwestern uplands, 27 degrees in Lower Lusatia.
I is used very consistently. Here are the archived broadcasts of the last few days.:
- https://youtu.be/kADSW8lqb60?t=882
- https://youtu.be/4kRKGXeYigg?t=972
- https://youtu.be/t8JOLMGEMSw?t=903
- https://youtu.be/yBssC2K_LmY?t=886
- https://youtu.be/6oZLJJC2hts?t=952
If you understand a little bit of German, you can listen out for the numbers and for the word "Grad" (degrees).
Usage of this ordering goes back a long way. See for example this 1983 recording:
Tiefsttemperaturen 5 bis 1, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 7[!] bis 12 Grad
yes, he says 7, even though the thermometer graphic displays 9
However, these even older recordings use "standard ordering":
December 30, 1973
Im Norden Tiefsttemperaturen 1 bis 5 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 4 bis 7 [cut off]
July 30, 1979
Tiefsttemperaturen in der Nacht 11 bis 15 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 20 bis 25 Grad, nur im Norden etwas weniger.
2) Some cities (particularly those with inconsistent numbering schemes) add house number range information to all or some of their street name signs. The house number that is closest to the location of the sign is stated first, followed by the last house number before the next (major) intersection, which often results in the larger number coming first. This Berlin-style sign shows for example "56 – 48".
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In German, I am aware of two instances where the "reverse" order is used:
1) The weather forecast of the newscast "Tagesschau" (and quite possibly many other weather forecasts, but not all) always states the range of lowest expected temperatures with the higest number first. From today's 8pm broadcast:
In der Nacht 19 bis 12 Grad; am Tag 18 Grad im südwestlichen Bergland, 27 in der Niederlausitz.
Translation:
At night, 19 to 12 degrees [celsius]; during the day, 18 degrees in the southwestern uplands, 27 degrees in Lower Lusatia.
I is used very consistently. Here are the archived broadcasts of the last few days.:
- https://youtu.be/kADSW8lqb60?t=882
- https://youtu.be/4kRKGXeYigg?t=972
- https://youtu.be/t8JOLMGEMSw?t=903
- https://youtu.be/yBssC2K_LmY?t=886
- https://youtu.be/6oZLJJC2hts?t=952
If you understand a little bit of German, you can listen out for the numbers and for the word "Grad" (degrees).
Usage of this ordering goes back a long way. See for example this 1983 recording:
Tiefsttemperaturen 5 bis 1, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 7[!] bis 12 Grad
yes, he says 7, even though the thermometer graphic displays 9
However, these even older recordings use "standard ordering":
December 30, 1973
Im Norden Tiefsttemperaturen 1 bis 5 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 4 bis 7 [cut off]
July 30, 1979
Tiefsttemperaturen in der Nacht 11 bis 15 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperaturen 20 bis 25 Grad, nur im Norden etwas weniger.
2) Some cities (particularly those with inconsistent numbering schemes) add house number range information to all or some of their street name signs. The house number that is closest to the location of the sign is stated first, followed by the last house number before the next (major) intersection, which often results in the larger number coming first. This Berlin-style sign shows for example "56 – 48".
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