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How to realistically deal with a shield user?


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Fantastic universe, but not necessarily magic involved in the process. You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?



According to Dark souls, your best option is kick the shield, but realistically speaking it's hard to think of better ways to leave yourself exposed to a counter attack. Other video games taught us that waiting for your opponent to attack and leave an opening is the best way, but if your opponent is worth his salt he'll likely block most of his openings (as shown in this video).



So my question is: how can a skilled fighter (with swords, maces, etc) deal efficiently with shield users, other than tiring him of reducing it to splinters?



FYI: Yes, I do consider a shield a weapon as much as a mean of protection.










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    Is time an issue in that fight? Because, for lighter fighter it may be easier just to wear out the heavier one.
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Fantastic universe, but not necessarily magic involved in the process. You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?



According to Dark souls, your best option is kick the shield, but realistically speaking it's hard to think of better ways to leave yourself exposed to a counter attack. Other video games taught us that waiting for your opponent to attack and leave an opening is the best way, but if your opponent is worth his salt he'll likely block most of his openings (as shown in this video).



So my question is: how can a skilled fighter (with swords, maces, etc) deal efficiently with shield users, other than tiring him of reducing it to splinters?



FYI: Yes, I do consider a shield a weapon as much as a mean of protection.










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Fantastic universe, but not necessarily magic involved in the process. You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?



According to Dark souls, your best option is kick the shield, but realistically speaking it's hard to think of better ways to leave yourself exposed to a counter attack. Other video games taught us that waiting for your opponent to attack and leave an opening is the best way, but if your opponent is worth his salt he'll likely block most of his openings (as shown in this video).



So my question is: how can a skilled fighter (with swords, maces, etc) deal efficiently with shield users, other than tiring him of reducing it to splinters?



FYI: Yes, I do consider a shield a weapon as much as a mean of protection.










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Fantastic universe, but not necessarily magic involved in the process. You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?



According to Dark souls, your best option is kick the shield, but realistically speaking it's hard to think of better ways to leave yourself exposed to a counter attack. Other video games taught us that waiting for your opponent to attack and leave an opening is the best way, but if your opponent is worth his salt he'll likely block most of his openings (as shown in this video).



So my question is: how can a skilled fighter (with swords, maces, etc) deal efficiently with shield users, other than tiring him of reducing it to splinters?



FYI: Yes, I do consider a shield a weapon as much as a mean of protection.







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I practice early medieval (Viking) style semi-contact as a hobby. With blunt steel weapons not with some LARP crap. I can tell you how we deal with an enemy with a shield and then some historical methods I know. Now our fights are not entirely realistic, they don't devolve into fierce unarmed struggles, at the end, where we attempt to scratch out eyes and bite. Additionally, an enemy is "dead" after one hit. This too is unrealistic as there is an important difference between the stopping and killing power of a weapon. Beeing mortally wounded and still fighting on for some time was a common thing and truly problematic. There is an account of a rapier duel where both combatants pierced each other about a dozen times until they both dropped dead. This is bad for obvious reasons. You want to take out the other guy while stopping him from taking out you. You don't want to stab a sword through his belly that he does not notice in his adrenaline rush. It might get stuck and now you are unarmed in close melee distance to a guy who is still armed and combat-capable for a few more seconds. With that out of the way, the following list will go through your weapon setup and detail the options you have. I'll assume the shield-bearer has a round shield and a Viking age sword. Techniques might vary if the defender wears some other kind of shield.



  • one-handed sword Be quicker. A shield has to be used actively. It does not give you a magical defense. If you don't know how to use a shield you are better off in a fight without it. Move in slowly and just smack his head. It sometimes startles even experienced opponents. Grrab his shild with one hand and open it. Alternatively going for the head only to let your sword glide down the side of the shield to get the legs is one of my favorite maneuvers. As for "an opponent worth his salt" I manage this against my trainer, a fighter with 20+ years experience about 10% of the time. Getting lucky is always an option.


  • one-handed sword and ax This is one of the few sensible dual-wielding setups. Why? The ax hooks open the shield and you thrust into the opening. You will usually win the thug of war as your opponent gets slightly startled and you got Archimedes on your side. Though this is much easier against handheld shields than against those bound to the arm.


  • one-handed sword and shield Now you got the same setup as your opponent. The options from the one-handed section still apply. Other options like using your shield to block the enemy's sword between the shields or between your armor and shield are now available. A friend once oven showed me a technique where you either give up the sword or your arm gets broken. Actively using the shield is also an option. Either straight into the face to inflict damage, against the enemy shield to open it or as a feint. Bonus point for style if you throw away your sword, in the end, bash him to death with the side of the shield. It's way bloodier.


  • two-handed sword (longsword) Firstly everything from the one-handed sword applies. Secondly, the ground rule for dealing with two-handed weapons as a lone shieldbearer (battle-line is way different and beyond the scope of the question) is to run them down. The long weapon will have more range, mobility (due to the greater leverage two hand offer) and deal more damage. Thus you "untersschreitest die Mensur", the fancy German way for saying you must move into a distance the enemy weapon is no longer effective and you can bash the crap out of the enemy. They of cause know this and will attempt to retreat and kill you while running backward. It's quite effective and usually, the shield-bearer wins, but not always. If the long weapon-user has a backup short-word or dagger, giving up the long weapon for it can also be very effective. this is true for all the following long weapons.


  • spear High-Low, Low-High is the doctrine. Go for the face and then for the feet. Your spear is faster because of leverage. If he doesn't rush you, you'll eventually find a gap.


  • Dane-axe See spear. Additionally, you can split the shield. This happens even with blunt Dane axes so a sharp one will be even more efficient. Hooking is also an option. Open up the shield, thrust the blunt tip of the axe into his face and kill him while he recovers. Or hook his knee and throw him down.


  • polearm See Dane-axe. Polearms are the best weapons there are. Hence their popularity in the middle-ages.


  • spear and shield Useful combo. You sacrifice the leverage of the spear for a lot of protection. This was the setup of most classical armies for a reason.


  • axe and shield The lone one-handed axe sucks for defense but is amazing for offensive maneuvers. The shield... Well, it is a simple and dangerous combination and will help you deal with the shield-bearer easily.


  • full plate armor I'm gonna get medieval on your arse. This is not quite medieval, but renaissance. Get a set of full plate armor, laugh about how he fails to injure you, grab his shield and sword, give him a headbutt and kill him. Should you doubt the effectiveness of full plate armor, google half-swording a set of sword techniques which was developed as a response to it.


  • dagger You are screwd. This is only slightly better than bringing a knife to a gunfight. A dagger should only ever be your last backup weapon.


  • incendiary grande Throw a Greek fire grenade at him or dirt or stones. Distract him with some sort of projectile and then land your blow while he is distracted. Works ver well.


  • javelin The Romans used special javelins which got stuck in their enemies shields to weight them down and fore the enemy to drop them.






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    I like this answer because it largely works whether or not either of them is armored and has great explanations on strategies for each.
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    The pilum didn't just weigh down the shield, it also got in the way. The lead arrowhead would bend under the weight of the shaft, leading to the shaft hanging below the shield. It would thus get caught up on the terrain if you didn't hold the shield quite high. So you could either put up with your shield constantly getting stuck on things, or drop it entirely; neither prospect is very appealing.
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    finish reading your answer, just want to tell you that the questioner say that "You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?" though. your answer dont really affected by it in my opinion but i just want to remind since look like you dont aware that, i like your range weapon suggestion i was focus and assume the question is melee specific.
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    @LiJun I was aware of that, but since I was sitting on the train writing that I had a lot of time on hand. Thus I decided to go for a full weapon breakdown insted of a sword relared one. Additionally about half of my ponts are applicable to his conditions. One-hand, two-hand, all of the polearms partially since a greatsword is used like a polearm and not like a sword, axe and sword maybe, throwing stuff and plate armor definitely. OP did not specify the avaliable equipment beyond sword and that means a lot of things are possible. Thanks though. Considering range means anti-tank gun is best ;)
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    Speaking as a norman reenactor (again with blunt steels), in my experience someone with one free hand can simply grab hold of the opponents shield and yank them about. You're then pitting arm strength vs arm strength, but even if the shield guy is a bit stronger, you can typically slow his shield down enough to score a hit
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Traditionally one dragged the shield out of alignment using the edge of their own shield, if you're using a sword but have no shield then there are two possibilities:



  • You are using a two-handed weapon, a polearm or a sword like the Zweihänder in which case you have a reach advantage and actually can simply pound your opponent until they give you an opening while trying to get close enough to retaliate.


  • You are using a one-handed weapon you don't have reach advantage but you do have a free hand, you will be wearing gauntlets, grab the shield and pull. FYI you can actually pull the same stunt with your opponent's sword if you're wearing the right kind of gauntlets and you're fast enough (especially if they're using a single edged blade) but it's a good way to lose fingers if you get it wrong.






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    Exactly my thoughts on the matter. The swordfighter must rely on his free hand to grab/inmovilize the opponent shield. Edit: The reach factor is also very important and I did not initially considered it. My thanks.
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    @EricJusteHernandez All good, do note that while you can also block with a vambrace if you lose your shield odds are you'll end up with bruised or broken bones in the process.
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    Your reach advantage may only last long enough for a single strike. If they deflect or block it and step in, you may find it difficult or impossible to wind up for a second strike (depending on your weapon, of course).
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    @StarfishPrime True but always remember that you can hit with more than the blade of a sword, pommel strikes are often used to disable limbs for example.
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There are various relevant old jokes, such as "if you want to get there, don't start from here", or perhaps suggestions to avoid entering into an arse-kicking contest if you only have one leg.



Given that you've got yourself into this mess already, my first thought would be "distract my opponent so my friend can stab him in the side". If you've managed to get into a fight with a better equipped opponent and failed to bring a friend (and seriously, at this point you should be reconsidering your career) the best approach may be just to run away (or "make an expedited retrograde manoever" if you find the idea of running away to be distateful). You're probably less encumbered than your opponent is; put some distance between you and them, find some terrain that you can use to your advantage.



No friends, can't run away? Oh dear, oh dear.



Did you bring a side-arm? Something like a pilum would be ideal, though they are perhaps a little large. A francisca might also go down well, and there have been reports of them being used to break shields. Other smaller and lighter throwing weapons are unlikely to help, especially against larger shields.



No side arm, no friends, no escape?



The proximal cause of death at this point is likely to be stupidity, but you may yet escape if you're lucky. This is going to rely on your opponent being inept (a dangerous gamble), or being less fit than you (ie. the tiring out that you wanted to avoid) or you levelling the playing field by removing either their weapon or their shield from play without getting killed yourself (challenging, even against less skilled opponents). Frankly, I don't fancy your chances.




But enough changing the subject.



I'd like to go one up on Ash's perfectly good answer and suggest wearing a good suit of armour and wrestling.



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This isn't an unreasonable tactic, after all heavy armour can be pretty difficult to get through with hand weapons. Techniques like half-swording are already important in that situation, and necessarily bring you closer to your opponent, so your poorly-equipped attacker might reasonably already be quite familiar with getting very up-close-and-personal. Parry or bind your opponents sword, and chuck yourself on them before they can bash you out of the way with their shield. Once you've got into a good struggle snuggle, the shield will go from being a useful bit of defensive kit into a serious hinderance.



You might be able to apply the same technique if you were poorly armoured, if you were desparate. Again though, I don't fancy your chances.






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    As established, it is a combat involving two singular adversaries, one armed with a weapon and a shield, and the other one armed without a shield, but with the latter one having a clear expertise/proficiency advantage. Your comment is full of alternatives and variables to keep in mind, but could be simplidied to "no matter how good a swordmaster is, he could never hope beat in a duel an apprentice who has the shield he lacks" (which I believe is false). Still, many thanks for the out-of-the-box ideas.
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    @EricJusteHernandez I never say that it is impossible, but that getting in to such a situation is the height of stupidity, and getting out of it is going to require a certain amount of luck. Yes, even for the swordmaster.
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    Nice to know that :0 I wasn't that conscious of the unproportionate advantage given by a shield (or lack of). For this question, let's assume destiny/circumpstances made it so that the foe had a shield but you do not. I like to clear the fact that the unshielded one is greatly at odds, not just minor annoyed by it.
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Using the same approach used by sports, where the defending team is actuating a solid defense, the key to break the wall is: keep trying and feinting until the defender leaves an opening.



In basketball the attacker keeps moving the ball around, same in soccer. In chess or in box the attacker prepares attacks trying to weaken the defender position. And so on and so forth.



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Just because you have a sword, you have already an advantage: you can feint an attack, but the shield bearer cannot feint a defense. It's either defend or take the blow.



With the proper combination of movements it is possible to force the defender to leave an opening and then strike.



Repeat until necessary.



(if you have anything which can obstacle the defender movement, that is even better: throw a row or a net on the ground, and let he stumble in it while dancing with his shield to block your feints)






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    Feinting also sound a superb technique, related to the "tire the opponent" but with an objective: create an oppening rather than waiting for it. I'll note that too, thanks.
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i suggest use axe its the weapon specifically to break shield it can also hook the shield. (here an image how to hook the shield to the side)



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if the user must use sword this falx sword can deal shield and cut the enemy limb (depend on the shield type since real scutum is thin) or hook the shield too.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falx



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here some example image from quick google (dont know the real source is) it force roman to wear special arm guard just to deal with the dacian falx men.



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also falx and 2H axe like halberd or dane axe can just reach around ignoring the shield to cut or hook the person exposed side directly like head,neck,arm,leg, or other body side not covered by the shield.






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    it wont stuck long it can also just hook or pull the shield out if it stuck while mantaining range unless the enemy use spear or longer weapon, most warrior bring their secondary weapon anyway also dagger to finish off, for falx it can also reach around from the shield to cut the person arm or any exposed body side.
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    Well, but the question was about one-on-one combat. Fighting in a shield wall is way different.
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    yes? i think this is still valid for one on one combat, im pretty sure i dont mention shield wall or troop or multiple people though.
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    My bad, misread flax as phalanx and thought you ment shield wall. From my combat experience I can tell you that you don't casually split a shield, even a thin one we use for our sport, much less a thick historical one. If a shield gets split, usually a daneaxe user ignoring all safety concerns is responsible. You must commit fully to splitting a shield and even then succees ain't guaranteed. Ever tried splitting firewood? The axe gets stuck. And even if it doesn't get stuck, the enemy will twist shield to disarm you. Considering backup-weapons: I need 0.2 second to stab you when in position
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Besides the ideas put forth already, from fighting in the SCA there were three methods of dealing with a shield, besides brute force or lightning speed



1) As has been put forward, kick or strike the outside of the shield of great force, prying open room for an attack on the inner edge (nearest the yielders center line)



2) strike the inner edge of the shield, pushing it in, which causes the outer edge to provide less protection for the side and back. Then attack, using a long weapon, at the backside of exposed side or back. You are reaching around the shield when you do this.



3) Faint and cause the defender to raise the shield to protect their face, and then time the real attack for your backswing or the spin the sword technique in your hand (forget the proper name) when they will lower their shield to get a look at what you are doing.



All attack methods have counters moves. And those counter moves have counter moves.
In the end, between skilled fighters, it's about using combinations of tactics to force the other guy to make that final mistake.






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    I practice early medieval (Viking) style semi-contact as a hobby. With blunt steel weapons not with some LARP crap. I can tell you how we deal with an enemy with a shield and then some historical methods I know. Now our fights are not entirely realistic, they don't devolve into fierce unarmed struggles, at the end, where we attempt to scratch out eyes and bite. Additionally, an enemy is "dead" after one hit. This too is unrealistic as there is an important difference between the stopping and killing power of a weapon. Beeing mortally wounded and still fighting on for some time was a common thing and truly problematic. There is an account of a rapier duel where both combatants pierced each other about a dozen times until they both dropped dead. This is bad for obvious reasons. You want to take out the other guy while stopping him from taking out you. You don't want to stab a sword through his belly that he does not notice in his adrenaline rush. It might get stuck and now you are unarmed in close melee distance to a guy who is still armed and combat-capable for a few more seconds. With that out of the way, the following list will go through your weapon setup and detail the options you have. I'll assume the shield-bearer has a round shield and a Viking age sword. Techniques might vary if the defender wears some other kind of shield.



    • one-handed sword Be quicker. A shield has to be used actively. It does not give you a magical defense. If you don't know how to use a shield you are better off in a fight without it. Move in slowly and just smack his head. It sometimes startles even experienced opponents. Grrab his shild with one hand and open it. Alternatively going for the head only to let your sword glide down the side of the shield to get the legs is one of my favorite maneuvers. As for "an opponent worth his salt" I manage this against my trainer, a fighter with 20+ years experience about 10% of the time. Getting lucky is always an option.


    • one-handed sword and ax This is one of the few sensible dual-wielding setups. Why? The ax hooks open the shield and you thrust into the opening. You will usually win the thug of war as your opponent gets slightly startled and you got Archimedes on your side. Though this is much easier against handheld shields than against those bound to the arm.


    • one-handed sword and shield Now you got the same setup as your opponent. The options from the one-handed section still apply. Other options like using your shield to block the enemy's sword between the shields or between your armor and shield are now available. A friend once oven showed me a technique where you either give up the sword or your arm gets broken. Actively using the shield is also an option. Either straight into the face to inflict damage, against the enemy shield to open it or as a feint. Bonus point for style if you throw away your sword, in the end, bash him to death with the side of the shield. It's way bloodier.


    • two-handed sword (longsword) Firstly everything from the one-handed sword applies. Secondly, the ground rule for dealing with two-handed weapons as a lone shieldbearer (battle-line is way different and beyond the scope of the question) is to run them down. The long weapon will have more range, mobility (due to the greater leverage two hand offer) and deal more damage. Thus you "untersschreitest die Mensur", the fancy German way for saying you must move into a distance the enemy weapon is no longer effective and you can bash the crap out of the enemy. They of cause know this and will attempt to retreat and kill you while running backward. It's quite effective and usually, the shield-bearer wins, but not always. If the long weapon-user has a backup short-word or dagger, giving up the long weapon for it can also be very effective. this is true for all the following long weapons.


    • spear High-Low, Low-High is the doctrine. Go for the face and then for the feet. Your spear is faster because of leverage. If he doesn't rush you, you'll eventually find a gap.


    • Dane-axe See spear. Additionally, you can split the shield. This happens even with blunt Dane axes so a sharp one will be even more efficient. Hooking is also an option. Open up the shield, thrust the blunt tip of the axe into his face and kill him while he recovers. Or hook his knee and throw him down.


    • polearm See Dane-axe. Polearms are the best weapons there are. Hence their popularity in the middle-ages.


    • spear and shield Useful combo. You sacrifice the leverage of the spear for a lot of protection. This was the setup of most classical armies for a reason.


    • axe and shield The lone one-handed axe sucks for defense but is amazing for offensive maneuvers. The shield... Well, it is a simple and dangerous combination and will help you deal with the shield-bearer easily.


    • full plate armor I'm gonna get medieval on your arse. This is not quite medieval, but renaissance. Get a set of full plate armor, laugh about how he fails to injure you, grab his shield and sword, give him a headbutt and kill him. Should you doubt the effectiveness of full plate armor, google half-swording a set of sword techniques which was developed as a response to it.


    • dagger You are screwd. This is only slightly better than bringing a knife to a gunfight. A dagger should only ever be your last backup weapon.


    • incendiary grande Throw a Greek fire grenade at him or dirt or stones. Distract him with some sort of projectile and then land your blow while he is distracted. Works ver well.


    • javelin The Romans used special javelins which got stuck in their enemies shields to weight them down and fore the enemy to drop them.






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      I like this answer because it largely works whether or not either of them is armored and has great explanations on strategies for each.
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      The pilum didn't just weigh down the shield, it also got in the way. The lead arrowhead would bend under the weight of the shaft, leading to the shaft hanging below the shield. It would thus get caught up on the terrain if you didn't hold the shield quite high. So you could either put up with your shield constantly getting stuck on things, or drop it entirely; neither prospect is very appealing.
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      finish reading your answer, just want to tell you that the questioner say that "You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?" though. your answer dont really affected by it in my opinion but i just want to remind since look like you dont aware that, i like your range weapon suggestion i was focus and assume the question is melee specific.
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      – Li Jun
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      @LiJun I was aware of that, but since I was sitting on the train writing that I had a lot of time on hand. Thus I decided to go for a full weapon breakdown insted of a sword relared one. Additionally about half of my ponts are applicable to his conditions. One-hand, two-hand, all of the polearms partially since a greatsword is used like a polearm and not like a sword, axe and sword maybe, throwing stuff and plate armor definitely. OP did not specify the avaliable equipment beyond sword and that means a lot of things are possible. Thanks though. Considering range means anti-tank gun is best ;)
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      Speaking as a norman reenactor (again with blunt steels), in my experience someone with one free hand can simply grab hold of the opponents shield and yank them about. You're then pitting arm strength vs arm strength, but even if the shield guy is a bit stronger, you can typically slow his shield down enough to score a hit
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      – Kyyshak
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    I practice early medieval (Viking) style semi-contact as a hobby. With blunt steel weapons not with some LARP crap. I can tell you how we deal with an enemy with a shield and then some historical methods I know. Now our fights are not entirely realistic, they don't devolve into fierce unarmed struggles, at the end, where we attempt to scratch out eyes and bite. Additionally, an enemy is "dead" after one hit. This too is unrealistic as there is an important difference between the stopping and killing power of a weapon. Beeing mortally wounded and still fighting on for some time was a common thing and truly problematic. There is an account of a rapier duel where both combatants pierced each other about a dozen times until they both dropped dead. This is bad for obvious reasons. You want to take out the other guy while stopping him from taking out you. You don't want to stab a sword through his belly that he does not notice in his adrenaline rush. It might get stuck and now you are unarmed in close melee distance to a guy who is still armed and combat-capable for a few more seconds. With that out of the way, the following list will go through your weapon setup and detail the options you have. I'll assume the shield-bearer has a round shield and a Viking age sword. Techniques might vary if the defender wears some other kind of shield.



    • one-handed sword Be quicker. A shield has to be used actively. It does not give you a magical defense. If you don't know how to use a shield you are better off in a fight without it. Move in slowly and just smack his head. It sometimes startles even experienced opponents. Grrab his shild with one hand and open it. Alternatively going for the head only to let your sword glide down the side of the shield to get the legs is one of my favorite maneuvers. As for "an opponent worth his salt" I manage this against my trainer, a fighter with 20+ years experience about 10% of the time. Getting lucky is always an option.


    • one-handed sword and ax This is one of the few sensible dual-wielding setups. Why? The ax hooks open the shield and you thrust into the opening. You will usually win the thug of war as your opponent gets slightly startled and you got Archimedes on your side. Though this is much easier against handheld shields than against those bound to the arm.


    • one-handed sword and shield Now you got the same setup as your opponent. The options from the one-handed section still apply. Other options like using your shield to block the enemy's sword between the shields or between your armor and shield are now available. A friend once oven showed me a technique where you either give up the sword or your arm gets broken. Actively using the shield is also an option. Either straight into the face to inflict damage, against the enemy shield to open it or as a feint. Bonus point for style if you throw away your sword, in the end, bash him to death with the side of the shield. It's way bloodier.


    • two-handed sword (longsword) Firstly everything from the one-handed sword applies. Secondly, the ground rule for dealing with two-handed weapons as a lone shieldbearer (battle-line is way different and beyond the scope of the question) is to run them down. The long weapon will have more range, mobility (due to the greater leverage two hand offer) and deal more damage. Thus you "untersschreitest die Mensur", the fancy German way for saying you must move into a distance the enemy weapon is no longer effective and you can bash the crap out of the enemy. They of cause know this and will attempt to retreat and kill you while running backward. It's quite effective and usually, the shield-bearer wins, but not always. If the long weapon-user has a backup short-word or dagger, giving up the long weapon for it can also be very effective. this is true for all the following long weapons.


    • spear High-Low, Low-High is the doctrine. Go for the face and then for the feet. Your spear is faster because of leverage. If he doesn't rush you, you'll eventually find a gap.


    • Dane-axe See spear. Additionally, you can split the shield. This happens even with blunt Dane axes so a sharp one will be even more efficient. Hooking is also an option. Open up the shield, thrust the blunt tip of the axe into his face and kill him while he recovers. Or hook his knee and throw him down.


    • polearm See Dane-axe. Polearms are the best weapons there are. Hence their popularity in the middle-ages.


    • spear and shield Useful combo. You sacrifice the leverage of the spear for a lot of protection. This was the setup of most classical armies for a reason.


    • axe and shield The lone one-handed axe sucks for defense but is amazing for offensive maneuvers. The shield... Well, it is a simple and dangerous combination and will help you deal with the shield-bearer easily.


    • full plate armor I'm gonna get medieval on your arse. This is not quite medieval, but renaissance. Get a set of full plate armor, laugh about how he fails to injure you, grab his shield and sword, give him a headbutt and kill him. Should you doubt the effectiveness of full plate armor, google half-swording a set of sword techniques which was developed as a response to it.


    • dagger You are screwd. This is only slightly better than bringing a knife to a gunfight. A dagger should only ever be your last backup weapon.


    • incendiary grande Throw a Greek fire grenade at him or dirt or stones. Distract him with some sort of projectile and then land your blow while he is distracted. Works ver well.


    • javelin The Romans used special javelins which got stuck in their enemies shields to weight them down and fore the enemy to drop them.






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      I like this answer because it largely works whether or not either of them is armored and has great explanations on strategies for each.
      $endgroup$
      – Trevor D
      6 hours ago







    • 2




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      The pilum didn't just weigh down the shield, it also got in the way. The lead arrowhead would bend under the weight of the shaft, leading to the shaft hanging below the shield. It would thus get caught up on the terrain if you didn't hold the shield quite high. So you could either put up with your shield constantly getting stuck on things, or drop it entirely; neither prospect is very appealing.
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      finish reading your answer, just want to tell you that the questioner say that "You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?" though. your answer dont really affected by it in my opinion but i just want to remind since look like you dont aware that, i like your range weapon suggestion i was focus and assume the question is melee specific.
      $endgroup$
      – Li Jun
      4 hours ago






    • 1




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      @LiJun I was aware of that, but since I was sitting on the train writing that I had a lot of time on hand. Thus I decided to go for a full weapon breakdown insted of a sword relared one. Additionally about half of my ponts are applicable to his conditions. One-hand, two-hand, all of the polearms partially since a greatsword is used like a polearm and not like a sword, axe and sword maybe, throwing stuff and plate armor definitely. OP did not specify the avaliable equipment beyond sword and that means a lot of things are possible. Thanks though. Considering range means anti-tank gun is best ;)
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      – TheDyingOfLight
      4 hours ago










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      Speaking as a norman reenactor (again with blunt steels), in my experience someone with one free hand can simply grab hold of the opponents shield and yank them about. You're then pitting arm strength vs arm strength, but even if the shield guy is a bit stronger, you can typically slow his shield down enough to score a hit
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    I practice early medieval (Viking) style semi-contact as a hobby. With blunt steel weapons not with some LARP crap. I can tell you how we deal with an enemy with a shield and then some historical methods I know. Now our fights are not entirely realistic, they don't devolve into fierce unarmed struggles, at the end, where we attempt to scratch out eyes and bite. Additionally, an enemy is "dead" after one hit. This too is unrealistic as there is an important difference between the stopping and killing power of a weapon. Beeing mortally wounded and still fighting on for some time was a common thing and truly problematic. There is an account of a rapier duel where both combatants pierced each other about a dozen times until they both dropped dead. This is bad for obvious reasons. You want to take out the other guy while stopping him from taking out you. You don't want to stab a sword through his belly that he does not notice in his adrenaline rush. It might get stuck and now you are unarmed in close melee distance to a guy who is still armed and combat-capable for a few more seconds. With that out of the way, the following list will go through your weapon setup and detail the options you have. I'll assume the shield-bearer has a round shield and a Viking age sword. Techniques might vary if the defender wears some other kind of shield.



    • one-handed sword Be quicker. A shield has to be used actively. It does not give you a magical defense. If you don't know how to use a shield you are better off in a fight without it. Move in slowly and just smack his head. It sometimes startles even experienced opponents. Grrab his shild with one hand and open it. Alternatively going for the head only to let your sword glide down the side of the shield to get the legs is one of my favorite maneuvers. As for "an opponent worth his salt" I manage this against my trainer, a fighter with 20+ years experience about 10% of the time. Getting lucky is always an option.


    • one-handed sword and ax This is one of the few sensible dual-wielding setups. Why? The ax hooks open the shield and you thrust into the opening. You will usually win the thug of war as your opponent gets slightly startled and you got Archimedes on your side. Though this is much easier against handheld shields than against those bound to the arm.


    • one-handed sword and shield Now you got the same setup as your opponent. The options from the one-handed section still apply. Other options like using your shield to block the enemy's sword between the shields or between your armor and shield are now available. A friend once oven showed me a technique where you either give up the sword or your arm gets broken. Actively using the shield is also an option. Either straight into the face to inflict damage, against the enemy shield to open it or as a feint. Bonus point for style if you throw away your sword, in the end, bash him to death with the side of the shield. It's way bloodier.


    • two-handed sword (longsword) Firstly everything from the one-handed sword applies. Secondly, the ground rule for dealing with two-handed weapons as a lone shieldbearer (battle-line is way different and beyond the scope of the question) is to run them down. The long weapon will have more range, mobility (due to the greater leverage two hand offer) and deal more damage. Thus you "untersschreitest die Mensur", the fancy German way for saying you must move into a distance the enemy weapon is no longer effective and you can bash the crap out of the enemy. They of cause know this and will attempt to retreat and kill you while running backward. It's quite effective and usually, the shield-bearer wins, but not always. If the long weapon-user has a backup short-word or dagger, giving up the long weapon for it can also be very effective. this is true for all the following long weapons.


    • spear High-Low, Low-High is the doctrine. Go for the face and then for the feet. Your spear is faster because of leverage. If he doesn't rush you, you'll eventually find a gap.


    • Dane-axe See spear. Additionally, you can split the shield. This happens even with blunt Dane axes so a sharp one will be even more efficient. Hooking is also an option. Open up the shield, thrust the blunt tip of the axe into his face and kill him while he recovers. Or hook his knee and throw him down.


    • polearm See Dane-axe. Polearms are the best weapons there are. Hence their popularity in the middle-ages.


    • spear and shield Useful combo. You sacrifice the leverage of the spear for a lot of protection. This was the setup of most classical armies for a reason.


    • axe and shield The lone one-handed axe sucks for defense but is amazing for offensive maneuvers. The shield... Well, it is a simple and dangerous combination and will help you deal with the shield-bearer easily.


    • full plate armor I'm gonna get medieval on your arse. This is not quite medieval, but renaissance. Get a set of full plate armor, laugh about how he fails to injure you, grab his shield and sword, give him a headbutt and kill him. Should you doubt the effectiveness of full plate armor, google half-swording a set of sword techniques which was developed as a response to it.


    • dagger You are screwd. This is only slightly better than bringing a knife to a gunfight. A dagger should only ever be your last backup weapon.


    • incendiary grande Throw a Greek fire grenade at him or dirt or stones. Distract him with some sort of projectile and then land your blow while he is distracted. Works ver well.


    • javelin The Romans used special javelins which got stuck in their enemies shields to weight them down and fore the enemy to drop them.






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    I practice early medieval (Viking) style semi-contact as a hobby. With blunt steel weapons not with some LARP crap. I can tell you how we deal with an enemy with a shield and then some historical methods I know. Now our fights are not entirely realistic, they don't devolve into fierce unarmed struggles, at the end, where we attempt to scratch out eyes and bite. Additionally, an enemy is "dead" after one hit. This too is unrealistic as there is an important difference between the stopping and killing power of a weapon. Beeing mortally wounded and still fighting on for some time was a common thing and truly problematic. There is an account of a rapier duel where both combatants pierced each other about a dozen times until they both dropped dead. This is bad for obvious reasons. You want to take out the other guy while stopping him from taking out you. You don't want to stab a sword through his belly that he does not notice in his adrenaline rush. It might get stuck and now you are unarmed in close melee distance to a guy who is still armed and combat-capable for a few more seconds. With that out of the way, the following list will go through your weapon setup and detail the options you have. I'll assume the shield-bearer has a round shield and a Viking age sword. Techniques might vary if the defender wears some other kind of shield.



    • one-handed sword Be quicker. A shield has to be used actively. It does not give you a magical defense. If you don't know how to use a shield you are better off in a fight without it. Move in slowly and just smack his head. It sometimes startles even experienced opponents. Grrab his shild with one hand and open it. Alternatively going for the head only to let your sword glide down the side of the shield to get the legs is one of my favorite maneuvers. As for "an opponent worth his salt" I manage this against my trainer, a fighter with 20+ years experience about 10% of the time. Getting lucky is always an option.


    • one-handed sword and ax This is one of the few sensible dual-wielding setups. Why? The ax hooks open the shield and you thrust into the opening. You will usually win the thug of war as your opponent gets slightly startled and you got Archimedes on your side. Though this is much easier against handheld shields than against those bound to the arm.


    • one-handed sword and shield Now you got the same setup as your opponent. The options from the one-handed section still apply. Other options like using your shield to block the enemy's sword between the shields or between your armor and shield are now available. A friend once oven showed me a technique where you either give up the sword or your arm gets broken. Actively using the shield is also an option. Either straight into the face to inflict damage, against the enemy shield to open it or as a feint. Bonus point for style if you throw away your sword, in the end, bash him to death with the side of the shield. It's way bloodier.


    • two-handed sword (longsword) Firstly everything from the one-handed sword applies. Secondly, the ground rule for dealing with two-handed weapons as a lone shieldbearer (battle-line is way different and beyond the scope of the question) is to run them down. The long weapon will have more range, mobility (due to the greater leverage two hand offer) and deal more damage. Thus you "untersschreitest die Mensur", the fancy German way for saying you must move into a distance the enemy weapon is no longer effective and you can bash the crap out of the enemy. They of cause know this and will attempt to retreat and kill you while running backward. It's quite effective and usually, the shield-bearer wins, but not always. If the long weapon-user has a backup short-word or dagger, giving up the long weapon for it can also be very effective. this is true for all the following long weapons.


    • spear High-Low, Low-High is the doctrine. Go for the face and then for the feet. Your spear is faster because of leverage. If he doesn't rush you, you'll eventually find a gap.


    • Dane-axe See spear. Additionally, you can split the shield. This happens even with blunt Dane axes so a sharp one will be even more efficient. Hooking is also an option. Open up the shield, thrust the blunt tip of the axe into his face and kill him while he recovers. Or hook his knee and throw him down.


    • polearm See Dane-axe. Polearms are the best weapons there are. Hence their popularity in the middle-ages.


    • spear and shield Useful combo. You sacrifice the leverage of the spear for a lot of protection. This was the setup of most classical armies for a reason.


    • axe and shield The lone one-handed axe sucks for defense but is amazing for offensive maneuvers. The shield... Well, it is a simple and dangerous combination and will help you deal with the shield-bearer easily.


    • full plate armor I'm gonna get medieval on your arse. This is not quite medieval, but renaissance. Get a set of full plate armor, laugh about how he fails to injure you, grab his shield and sword, give him a headbutt and kill him. Should you doubt the effectiveness of full plate armor, google half-swording a set of sword techniques which was developed as a response to it.


    • dagger You are screwd. This is only slightly better than bringing a knife to a gunfight. A dagger should only ever be your last backup weapon.


    • incendiary grande Throw a Greek fire grenade at him or dirt or stones. Distract him with some sort of projectile and then land your blow while he is distracted. Works ver well.


    • javelin The Romans used special javelins which got stuck in their enemies shields to weight them down and fore the enemy to drop them.







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      I like this answer because it largely works whether or not either of them is armored and has great explanations on strategies for each.
      $endgroup$
      – Trevor D
      6 hours ago







    • 2




      $begingroup$
      The pilum didn't just weigh down the shield, it also got in the way. The lead arrowhead would bend under the weight of the shaft, leading to the shaft hanging below the shield. It would thus get caught up on the terrain if you didn't hold the shield quite high. So you could either put up with your shield constantly getting stuck on things, or drop it entirely; neither prospect is very appealing.
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      finish reading your answer, just want to tell you that the questioner say that "You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?" though. your answer dont really affected by it in my opinion but i just want to remind since look like you dont aware that, i like your range weapon suggestion i was focus and assume the question is melee specific.
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      – Li Jun
      4 hours ago






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      @LiJun I was aware of that, but since I was sitting on the train writing that I had a lot of time on hand. Thus I decided to go for a full weapon breakdown insted of a sword relared one. Additionally about half of my ponts are applicable to his conditions. One-hand, two-hand, all of the polearms partially since a greatsword is used like a polearm and not like a sword, axe and sword maybe, throwing stuff and plate armor definitely. OP did not specify the avaliable equipment beyond sword and that means a lot of things are possible. Thanks though. Considering range means anti-tank gun is best ;)
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      – TheDyingOfLight
      4 hours ago










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      Speaking as a norman reenactor (again with blunt steels), in my experience someone with one free hand can simply grab hold of the opponents shield and yank them about. You're then pitting arm strength vs arm strength, but even if the shield guy is a bit stronger, you can typically slow his shield down enough to score a hit
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      – Kyyshak
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      I like this answer because it largely works whether or not either of them is armored and has great explanations on strategies for each.
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      – Trevor D
      6 hours ago







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      The pilum didn't just weigh down the shield, it also got in the way. The lead arrowhead would bend under the weight of the shaft, leading to the shaft hanging below the shield. It would thus get caught up on the terrain if you didn't hold the shield quite high. So you could either put up with your shield constantly getting stuck on things, or drop it entirely; neither prospect is very appealing.
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      – Ryan_L
      5 hours ago










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      finish reading your answer, just want to tell you that the questioner say that "You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?" though. your answer dont really affected by it in my opinion but i just want to remind since look like you dont aware that, i like your range weapon suggestion i was focus and assume the question is melee specific.
      $endgroup$
      – Li Jun
      4 hours ago






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      @LiJun I was aware of that, but since I was sitting on the train writing that I had a lot of time on hand. Thus I decided to go for a full weapon breakdown insted of a sword relared one. Additionally about half of my ponts are applicable to his conditions. One-hand, two-hand, all of the polearms partially since a greatsword is used like a polearm and not like a sword, axe and sword maybe, throwing stuff and plate armor definitely. OP did not specify the avaliable equipment beyond sword and that means a lot of things are possible. Thanks though. Considering range means anti-tank gun is best ;)
      $endgroup$
      – TheDyingOfLight
      4 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Speaking as a norman reenactor (again with blunt steels), in my experience someone with one free hand can simply grab hold of the opponents shield and yank them about. You're then pitting arm strength vs arm strength, but even if the shield guy is a bit stronger, you can typically slow his shield down enough to score a hit
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      – Kyyshak
      3 hours ago















    $begingroup$
    I like this answer because it largely works whether or not either of them is armored and has great explanations on strategies for each.
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    – Trevor D
    6 hours ago





    $begingroup$
    I like this answer because it largely works whether or not either of them is armored and has great explanations on strategies for each.
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    – Trevor D
    6 hours ago





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    The pilum didn't just weigh down the shield, it also got in the way. The lead arrowhead would bend under the weight of the shaft, leading to the shaft hanging below the shield. It would thus get caught up on the terrain if you didn't hold the shield quite high. So you could either put up with your shield constantly getting stuck on things, or drop it entirely; neither prospect is very appealing.
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    – Ryan_L
    5 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    The pilum didn't just weigh down the shield, it also got in the way. The lead arrowhead would bend under the weight of the shaft, leading to the shaft hanging below the shield. It would thus get caught up on the terrain if you didn't hold the shield quite high. So you could either put up with your shield constantly getting stuck on things, or drop it entirely; neither prospect is very appealing.
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    – Ryan_L
    5 hours ago












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    finish reading your answer, just want to tell you that the questioner say that "You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?" though. your answer dont really affected by it in my opinion but i just want to remind since look like you dont aware that, i like your range weapon suggestion i was focus and assume the question is melee specific.
    $endgroup$
    – Li Jun
    4 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    finish reading your answer, just want to tell you that the questioner say that "You face a guy who has a shield (tower shield of not). You don't have a shield, but you're a better sword. How do you win?" though. your answer dont really affected by it in my opinion but i just want to remind since look like you dont aware that, i like your range weapon suggestion i was focus and assume the question is melee specific.
    $endgroup$
    – Li Jun
    4 hours ago




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    @LiJun I was aware of that, but since I was sitting on the train writing that I had a lot of time on hand. Thus I decided to go for a full weapon breakdown insted of a sword relared one. Additionally about half of my ponts are applicable to his conditions. One-hand, two-hand, all of the polearms partially since a greatsword is used like a polearm and not like a sword, axe and sword maybe, throwing stuff and plate armor definitely. OP did not specify the avaliable equipment beyond sword and that means a lot of things are possible. Thanks though. Considering range means anti-tank gun is best ;)
    $endgroup$
    – TheDyingOfLight
    4 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    @LiJun I was aware of that, but since I was sitting on the train writing that I had a lot of time on hand. Thus I decided to go for a full weapon breakdown insted of a sword relared one. Additionally about half of my ponts are applicable to his conditions. One-hand, two-hand, all of the polearms partially since a greatsword is used like a polearm and not like a sword, axe and sword maybe, throwing stuff and plate armor definitely. OP did not specify the avaliable equipment beyond sword and that means a lot of things are possible. Thanks though. Considering range means anti-tank gun is best ;)
    $endgroup$
    – TheDyingOfLight
    4 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    Speaking as a norman reenactor (again with blunt steels), in my experience someone with one free hand can simply grab hold of the opponents shield and yank them about. You're then pitting arm strength vs arm strength, but even if the shield guy is a bit stronger, you can typically slow his shield down enough to score a hit
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    – Kyyshak
    3 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Speaking as a norman reenactor (again with blunt steels), in my experience someone with one free hand can simply grab hold of the opponents shield and yank them about. You're then pitting arm strength vs arm strength, but even if the shield guy is a bit stronger, you can typically slow his shield down enough to score a hit
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    Traditionally one dragged the shield out of alignment using the edge of their own shield, if you're using a sword but have no shield then there are two possibilities:



    • You are using a two-handed weapon, a polearm or a sword like the Zweihänder in which case you have a reach advantage and actually can simply pound your opponent until they give you an opening while trying to get close enough to retaliate.


    • You are using a one-handed weapon you don't have reach advantage but you do have a free hand, you will be wearing gauntlets, grab the shield and pull. FYI you can actually pull the same stunt with your opponent's sword if you're wearing the right kind of gauntlets and you're fast enough (especially if they're using a single edged blade) but it's a good way to lose fingers if you get it wrong.






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      Exactly my thoughts on the matter. The swordfighter must rely on his free hand to grab/inmovilize the opponent shield. Edit: The reach factor is also very important and I did not initially considered it. My thanks.
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      – Eric Juste Hernandez
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      @EricJusteHernandez All good, do note that while you can also block with a vambrace if you lose your shield odds are you'll end up with bruised or broken bones in the process.
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      – Ash
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      Your reach advantage may only last long enough for a single strike. If they deflect or block it and step in, you may find it difficult or impossible to wind up for a second strike (depending on your weapon, of course).
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      – Starfish Prime
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      @StarfishPrime True but always remember that you can hit with more than the blade of a sword, pommel strikes are often used to disable limbs for example.
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      – Ash
      8 hours ago










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      @Ash yes, there is the outside chance that your opponent might not just kill or disable you instantly, but I wouldn't want to rely on it ;-)
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      – Starfish Prime
      7 hours ago















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    $begingroup$

    Traditionally one dragged the shield out of alignment using the edge of their own shield, if you're using a sword but have no shield then there are two possibilities:



    • You are using a two-handed weapon, a polearm or a sword like the Zweihänder in which case you have a reach advantage and actually can simply pound your opponent until they give you an opening while trying to get close enough to retaliate.


    • You are using a one-handed weapon you don't have reach advantage but you do have a free hand, you will be wearing gauntlets, grab the shield and pull. FYI you can actually pull the same stunt with your opponent's sword if you're wearing the right kind of gauntlets and you're fast enough (especially if they're using a single edged blade) but it's a good way to lose fingers if you get it wrong.






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    • $begingroup$
      Exactly my thoughts on the matter. The swordfighter must rely on his free hand to grab/inmovilize the opponent shield. Edit: The reach factor is also very important and I did not initially considered it. My thanks.
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      – Eric Juste Hernandez
      8 hours ago







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      @EricJusteHernandez All good, do note that while you can also block with a vambrace if you lose your shield odds are you'll end up with bruised or broken bones in the process.
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      – Ash
      8 hours ago










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      Your reach advantage may only last long enough for a single strike. If they deflect or block it and step in, you may find it difficult or impossible to wind up for a second strike (depending on your weapon, of course).
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      – Starfish Prime
      8 hours ago










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      @StarfishPrime True but always remember that you can hit with more than the blade of a sword, pommel strikes are often used to disable limbs for example.
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      – Ash
      8 hours ago










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      @Ash yes, there is the outside chance that your opponent might not just kill or disable you instantly, but I wouldn't want to rely on it ;-)
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    Traditionally one dragged the shield out of alignment using the edge of their own shield, if you're using a sword but have no shield then there are two possibilities:



    • You are using a two-handed weapon, a polearm or a sword like the Zweihänder in which case you have a reach advantage and actually can simply pound your opponent until they give you an opening while trying to get close enough to retaliate.


    • You are using a one-handed weapon you don't have reach advantage but you do have a free hand, you will be wearing gauntlets, grab the shield and pull. FYI you can actually pull the same stunt with your opponent's sword if you're wearing the right kind of gauntlets and you're fast enough (especially if they're using a single edged blade) but it's a good way to lose fingers if you get it wrong.






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    Traditionally one dragged the shield out of alignment using the edge of their own shield, if you're using a sword but have no shield then there are two possibilities:



    • You are using a two-handed weapon, a polearm or a sword like the Zweihänder in which case you have a reach advantage and actually can simply pound your opponent until they give you an opening while trying to get close enough to retaliate.


    • You are using a one-handed weapon you don't have reach advantage but you do have a free hand, you will be wearing gauntlets, grab the shield and pull. FYI you can actually pull the same stunt with your opponent's sword if you're wearing the right kind of gauntlets and you're fast enough (especially if they're using a single edged blade) but it's a good way to lose fingers if you get it wrong.







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      Exactly my thoughts on the matter. The swordfighter must rely on his free hand to grab/inmovilize the opponent shield. Edit: The reach factor is also very important and I did not initially considered it. My thanks.
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      – Eric Juste Hernandez
      8 hours ago







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      @EricJusteHernandez All good, do note that while you can also block with a vambrace if you lose your shield odds are you'll end up with bruised or broken bones in the process.
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      – Ash
      8 hours ago










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      Your reach advantage may only last long enough for a single strike. If they deflect or block it and step in, you may find it difficult or impossible to wind up for a second strike (depending on your weapon, of course).
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      – Starfish Prime
      8 hours ago










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      @StarfishPrime True but always remember that you can hit with more than the blade of a sword, pommel strikes are often used to disable limbs for example.
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      – Ash
      8 hours ago










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      @Ash yes, there is the outside chance that your opponent might not just kill or disable you instantly, but I wouldn't want to rely on it ;-)
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      – Starfish Prime
      7 hours ago
















    • $begingroup$
      Exactly my thoughts on the matter. The swordfighter must rely on his free hand to grab/inmovilize the opponent shield. Edit: The reach factor is also very important and I did not initially considered it. My thanks.
      $endgroup$
      – Eric Juste Hernandez
      8 hours ago







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      @EricJusteHernandez All good, do note that while you can also block with a vambrace if you lose your shield odds are you'll end up with bruised or broken bones in the process.
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      – Ash
      8 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Your reach advantage may only last long enough for a single strike. If they deflect or block it and step in, you may find it difficult or impossible to wind up for a second strike (depending on your weapon, of course).
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      – Starfish Prime
      8 hours ago










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      @StarfishPrime True but always remember that you can hit with more than the blade of a sword, pommel strikes are often used to disable limbs for example.
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      – Ash
      8 hours ago










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      @Ash yes, there is the outside chance that your opponent might not just kill or disable you instantly, but I wouldn't want to rely on it ;-)
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      – Starfish Prime
      7 hours ago















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    Exactly my thoughts on the matter. The swordfighter must rely on his free hand to grab/inmovilize the opponent shield. Edit: The reach factor is also very important and I did not initially considered it. My thanks.
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    – Eric Juste Hernandez
    8 hours ago





    $begingroup$
    Exactly my thoughts on the matter. The swordfighter must rely on his free hand to grab/inmovilize the opponent shield. Edit: The reach factor is also very important and I did not initially considered it. My thanks.
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    – Eric Juste Hernandez
    8 hours ago





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    @EricJusteHernandez All good, do note that while you can also block with a vambrace if you lose your shield odds are you'll end up with bruised or broken bones in the process.
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    – Ash
    8 hours ago




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    @EricJusteHernandez All good, do note that while you can also block with a vambrace if you lose your shield odds are you'll end up with bruised or broken bones in the process.
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    – Ash
    8 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    Your reach advantage may only last long enough for a single strike. If they deflect or block it and step in, you may find it difficult or impossible to wind up for a second strike (depending on your weapon, of course).
    $endgroup$
    – Starfish Prime
    8 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Your reach advantage may only last long enough for a single strike. If they deflect or block it and step in, you may find it difficult or impossible to wind up for a second strike (depending on your weapon, of course).
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    – Starfish Prime
    8 hours ago












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    @StarfishPrime True but always remember that you can hit with more than the blade of a sword, pommel strikes are often used to disable limbs for example.
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    – Ash
    8 hours ago




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    @StarfishPrime True but always remember that you can hit with more than the blade of a sword, pommel strikes are often used to disable limbs for example.
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    – Ash
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    @Ash yes, there is the outside chance that your opponent might not just kill or disable you instantly, but I wouldn't want to rely on it ;-)
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    – Starfish Prime
    7 hours ago




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    @Ash yes, there is the outside chance that your opponent might not just kill or disable you instantly, but I wouldn't want to rely on it ;-)
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    – Starfish Prime
    7 hours ago











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    There are various relevant old jokes, such as "if you want to get there, don't start from here", or perhaps suggestions to avoid entering into an arse-kicking contest if you only have one leg.



    Given that you've got yourself into this mess already, my first thought would be "distract my opponent so my friend can stab him in the side". If you've managed to get into a fight with a better equipped opponent and failed to bring a friend (and seriously, at this point you should be reconsidering your career) the best approach may be just to run away (or "make an expedited retrograde manoever" if you find the idea of running away to be distateful). You're probably less encumbered than your opponent is; put some distance between you and them, find some terrain that you can use to your advantage.



    No friends, can't run away? Oh dear, oh dear.



    Did you bring a side-arm? Something like a pilum would be ideal, though they are perhaps a little large. A francisca might also go down well, and there have been reports of them being used to break shields. Other smaller and lighter throwing weapons are unlikely to help, especially against larger shields.



    No side arm, no friends, no escape?



    The proximal cause of death at this point is likely to be stupidity, but you may yet escape if you're lucky. This is going to rely on your opponent being inept (a dangerous gamble), or being less fit than you (ie. the tiring out that you wanted to avoid) or you levelling the playing field by removing either their weapon or their shield from play without getting killed yourself (challenging, even against less skilled opponents). Frankly, I don't fancy your chances.




    But enough changing the subject.



    I'd like to go one up on Ash's perfectly good answer and suggest wearing a good suit of armour and wrestling.



    heavily armoured knights wrestling



    This isn't an unreasonable tactic, after all heavy armour can be pretty difficult to get through with hand weapons. Techniques like half-swording are already important in that situation, and necessarily bring you closer to your opponent, so your poorly-equipped attacker might reasonably already be quite familiar with getting very up-close-and-personal. Parry or bind your opponents sword, and chuck yourself on them before they can bash you out of the way with their shield. Once you've got into a good struggle snuggle, the shield will go from being a useful bit of defensive kit into a serious hinderance.



    You might be able to apply the same technique if you were poorly armoured, if you were desparate. Again though, I don't fancy your chances.






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      As established, it is a combat involving two singular adversaries, one armed with a weapon and a shield, and the other one armed without a shield, but with the latter one having a clear expertise/proficiency advantage. Your comment is full of alternatives and variables to keep in mind, but could be simplidied to "no matter how good a swordmaster is, he could never hope beat in a duel an apprentice who has the shield he lacks" (which I believe is false). Still, many thanks for the out-of-the-box ideas.
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      – Eric Juste Hernandez
      7 hours ago











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      @EricJusteHernandez I never say that it is impossible, but that getting in to such a situation is the height of stupidity, and getting out of it is going to require a certain amount of luck. Yes, even for the swordmaster.
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      – Starfish Prime
      5 hours ago










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      Nice to know that :0 I wasn't that conscious of the unproportionate advantage given by a shield (or lack of). For this question, let's assume destiny/circumpstances made it so that the foe had a shield but you do not. I like to clear the fact that the unshielded one is greatly at odds, not just minor annoyed by it.
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      – Eric Juste Hernandez
      3 hours ago










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      @EricJusteHernandez I've fought down my contrarian urges and added an answer slightly more in keeping with the question ;-)
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      – Starfish Prime
      3 hours ago















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    $begingroup$

    There are various relevant old jokes, such as "if you want to get there, don't start from here", or perhaps suggestions to avoid entering into an arse-kicking contest if you only have one leg.



    Given that you've got yourself into this mess already, my first thought would be "distract my opponent so my friend can stab him in the side". If you've managed to get into a fight with a better equipped opponent and failed to bring a friend (and seriously, at this point you should be reconsidering your career) the best approach may be just to run away (or "make an expedited retrograde manoever" if you find the idea of running away to be distateful). You're probably less encumbered than your opponent is; put some distance between you and them, find some terrain that you can use to your advantage.



    No friends, can't run away? Oh dear, oh dear.



    Did you bring a side-arm? Something like a pilum would be ideal, though they are perhaps a little large. A francisca might also go down well, and there have been reports of them being used to break shields. Other smaller and lighter throwing weapons are unlikely to help, especially against larger shields.



    No side arm, no friends, no escape?



    The proximal cause of death at this point is likely to be stupidity, but you may yet escape if you're lucky. This is going to rely on your opponent being inept (a dangerous gamble), or being less fit than you (ie. the tiring out that you wanted to avoid) or you levelling the playing field by removing either their weapon or their shield from play without getting killed yourself (challenging, even against less skilled opponents). Frankly, I don't fancy your chances.




    But enough changing the subject.



    I'd like to go one up on Ash's perfectly good answer and suggest wearing a good suit of armour and wrestling.



    heavily armoured knights wrestling



    This isn't an unreasonable tactic, after all heavy armour can be pretty difficult to get through with hand weapons. Techniques like half-swording are already important in that situation, and necessarily bring you closer to your opponent, so your poorly-equipped attacker might reasonably already be quite familiar with getting very up-close-and-personal. Parry or bind your opponents sword, and chuck yourself on them before they can bash you out of the way with their shield. Once you've got into a good struggle snuggle, the shield will go from being a useful bit of defensive kit into a serious hinderance.



    You might be able to apply the same technique if you were poorly armoured, if you were desparate. Again though, I don't fancy your chances.






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    • $begingroup$
      As established, it is a combat involving two singular adversaries, one armed with a weapon and a shield, and the other one armed without a shield, but with the latter one having a clear expertise/proficiency advantage. Your comment is full of alternatives and variables to keep in mind, but could be simplidied to "no matter how good a swordmaster is, he could never hope beat in a duel an apprentice who has the shield he lacks" (which I believe is false). Still, many thanks for the out-of-the-box ideas.
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      – Eric Juste Hernandez
      7 hours ago











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      @EricJusteHernandez I never say that it is impossible, but that getting in to such a situation is the height of stupidity, and getting out of it is going to require a certain amount of luck. Yes, even for the swordmaster.
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      – Starfish Prime
      5 hours ago










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      Nice to know that :0 I wasn't that conscious of the unproportionate advantage given by a shield (or lack of). For this question, let's assume destiny/circumpstances made it so that the foe had a shield but you do not. I like to clear the fact that the unshielded one is greatly at odds, not just minor annoyed by it.
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      – Eric Juste Hernandez
      3 hours ago










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      @EricJusteHernandez I've fought down my contrarian urges and added an answer slightly more in keeping with the question ;-)
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      – Starfish Prime
      3 hours ago













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    5





    $begingroup$

    There are various relevant old jokes, such as "if you want to get there, don't start from here", or perhaps suggestions to avoid entering into an arse-kicking contest if you only have one leg.



    Given that you've got yourself into this mess already, my first thought would be "distract my opponent so my friend can stab him in the side". If you've managed to get into a fight with a better equipped opponent and failed to bring a friend (and seriously, at this point you should be reconsidering your career) the best approach may be just to run away (or "make an expedited retrograde manoever" if you find the idea of running away to be distateful). You're probably less encumbered than your opponent is; put some distance between you and them, find some terrain that you can use to your advantage.



    No friends, can't run away? Oh dear, oh dear.



    Did you bring a side-arm? Something like a pilum would be ideal, though they are perhaps a little large. A francisca might also go down well, and there have been reports of them being used to break shields. Other smaller and lighter throwing weapons are unlikely to help, especially against larger shields.



    No side arm, no friends, no escape?



    The proximal cause of death at this point is likely to be stupidity, but you may yet escape if you're lucky. This is going to rely on your opponent being inept (a dangerous gamble), or being less fit than you (ie. the tiring out that you wanted to avoid) or you levelling the playing field by removing either their weapon or their shield from play without getting killed yourself (challenging, even against less skilled opponents). Frankly, I don't fancy your chances.




    But enough changing the subject.



    I'd like to go one up on Ash's perfectly good answer and suggest wearing a good suit of armour and wrestling.



    heavily armoured knights wrestling



    This isn't an unreasonable tactic, after all heavy armour can be pretty difficult to get through with hand weapons. Techniques like half-swording are already important in that situation, and necessarily bring you closer to your opponent, so your poorly-equipped attacker might reasonably already be quite familiar with getting very up-close-and-personal. Parry or bind your opponents sword, and chuck yourself on them before they can bash you out of the way with their shield. Once you've got into a good struggle snuggle, the shield will go from being a useful bit of defensive kit into a serious hinderance.



    You might be able to apply the same technique if you were poorly armoured, if you were desparate. Again though, I don't fancy your chances.






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    There are various relevant old jokes, such as "if you want to get there, don't start from here", or perhaps suggestions to avoid entering into an arse-kicking contest if you only have one leg.



    Given that you've got yourself into this mess already, my first thought would be "distract my opponent so my friend can stab him in the side". If you've managed to get into a fight with a better equipped opponent and failed to bring a friend (and seriously, at this point you should be reconsidering your career) the best approach may be just to run away (or "make an expedited retrograde manoever" if you find the idea of running away to be distateful). You're probably less encumbered than your opponent is; put some distance between you and them, find some terrain that you can use to your advantage.



    No friends, can't run away? Oh dear, oh dear.



    Did you bring a side-arm? Something like a pilum would be ideal, though they are perhaps a little large. A francisca might also go down well, and there have been reports of them being used to break shields. Other smaller and lighter throwing weapons are unlikely to help, especially against larger shields.



    No side arm, no friends, no escape?



    The proximal cause of death at this point is likely to be stupidity, but you may yet escape if you're lucky. This is going to rely on your opponent being inept (a dangerous gamble), or being less fit than you (ie. the tiring out that you wanted to avoid) or you levelling the playing field by removing either their weapon or their shield from play without getting killed yourself (challenging, even against less skilled opponents). Frankly, I don't fancy your chances.




    But enough changing the subject.



    I'd like to go one up on Ash's perfectly good answer and suggest wearing a good suit of armour and wrestling.



    heavily armoured knights wrestling



    This isn't an unreasonable tactic, after all heavy armour can be pretty difficult to get through with hand weapons. Techniques like half-swording are already important in that situation, and necessarily bring you closer to your opponent, so your poorly-equipped attacker might reasonably already be quite familiar with getting very up-close-and-personal. Parry or bind your opponents sword, and chuck yourself on them before they can bash you out of the way with their shield. Once you've got into a good struggle snuggle, the shield will go from being a useful bit of defensive kit into a serious hinderance.



    You might be able to apply the same technique if you were poorly armoured, if you were desparate. Again though, I don't fancy your chances.







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      As established, it is a combat involving two singular adversaries, one armed with a weapon and a shield, and the other one armed without a shield, but with the latter one having a clear expertise/proficiency advantage. Your comment is full of alternatives and variables to keep in mind, but could be simplidied to "no matter how good a swordmaster is, he could never hope beat in a duel an apprentice who has the shield he lacks" (which I believe is false). Still, many thanks for the out-of-the-box ideas.
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      @EricJusteHernandez I never say that it is impossible, but that getting in to such a situation is the height of stupidity, and getting out of it is going to require a certain amount of luck. Yes, even for the swordmaster.
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      Nice to know that :0 I wasn't that conscious of the unproportionate advantage given by a shield (or lack of). For this question, let's assume destiny/circumpstances made it so that the foe had a shield but you do not. I like to clear the fact that the unshielded one is greatly at odds, not just minor annoyed by it.
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      @EricJusteHernandez I've fought down my contrarian urges and added an answer slightly more in keeping with the question ;-)
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    • $begingroup$
      As established, it is a combat involving two singular adversaries, one armed with a weapon and a shield, and the other one armed without a shield, but with the latter one having a clear expertise/proficiency advantage. Your comment is full of alternatives and variables to keep in mind, but could be simplidied to "no matter how good a swordmaster is, he could never hope beat in a duel an apprentice who has the shield he lacks" (which I believe is false). Still, many thanks for the out-of-the-box ideas.
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      @EricJusteHernandez I never say that it is impossible, but that getting in to such a situation is the height of stupidity, and getting out of it is going to require a certain amount of luck. Yes, even for the swordmaster.
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    • $begingroup$
      Nice to know that :0 I wasn't that conscious of the unproportionate advantage given by a shield (or lack of). For this question, let's assume destiny/circumpstances made it so that the foe had a shield but you do not. I like to clear the fact that the unshielded one is greatly at odds, not just minor annoyed by it.
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      @EricJusteHernandez I've fought down my contrarian urges and added an answer slightly more in keeping with the question ;-)
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    As established, it is a combat involving two singular adversaries, one armed with a weapon and a shield, and the other one armed without a shield, but with the latter one having a clear expertise/proficiency advantage. Your comment is full of alternatives and variables to keep in mind, but could be simplidied to "no matter how good a swordmaster is, he could never hope beat in a duel an apprentice who has the shield he lacks" (which I believe is false). Still, many thanks for the out-of-the-box ideas.
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    – Eric Juste Hernandez
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    $begingroup$
    As established, it is a combat involving two singular adversaries, one armed with a weapon and a shield, and the other one armed without a shield, but with the latter one having a clear expertise/proficiency advantage. Your comment is full of alternatives and variables to keep in mind, but could be simplidied to "no matter how good a swordmaster is, he could never hope beat in a duel an apprentice who has the shield he lacks" (which I believe is false). Still, many thanks for the out-of-the-box ideas.
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    @EricJusteHernandez I never say that it is impossible, but that getting in to such a situation is the height of stupidity, and getting out of it is going to require a certain amount of luck. Yes, even for the swordmaster.
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    – Starfish Prime
    5 hours ago




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    @EricJusteHernandez I never say that it is impossible, but that getting in to such a situation is the height of stupidity, and getting out of it is going to require a certain amount of luck. Yes, even for the swordmaster.
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    $begingroup$
    Nice to know that :0 I wasn't that conscious of the unproportionate advantage given by a shield (or lack of). For this question, let's assume destiny/circumpstances made it so that the foe had a shield but you do not. I like to clear the fact that the unshielded one is greatly at odds, not just minor annoyed by it.
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    – Eric Juste Hernandez
    3 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Nice to know that :0 I wasn't that conscious of the unproportionate advantage given by a shield (or lack of). For this question, let's assume destiny/circumpstances made it so that the foe had a shield but you do not. I like to clear the fact that the unshielded one is greatly at odds, not just minor annoyed by it.
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    @EricJusteHernandez I've fought down my contrarian urges and added an answer slightly more in keeping with the question ;-)
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    – Starfish Prime
    3 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    @EricJusteHernandez I've fought down my contrarian urges and added an answer slightly more in keeping with the question ;-)
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    Using the same approach used by sports, where the defending team is actuating a solid defense, the key to break the wall is: keep trying and feinting until the defender leaves an opening.



    In basketball the attacker keeps moving the ball around, same in soccer. In chess or in box the attacker prepares attacks trying to weaken the defender position. And so on and so forth.



    Don't forget the saying




    the threat is stronger than the execution




    Just because you have a sword, you have already an advantage: you can feint an attack, but the shield bearer cannot feint a defense. It's either defend or take the blow.



    With the proper combination of movements it is possible to force the defender to leave an opening and then strike.



    Repeat until necessary.



    (if you have anything which can obstacle the defender movement, that is even better: throw a row or a net on the ground, and let he stumble in it while dancing with his shield to block your feints)






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      Feinting also sound a superb technique, related to the "tire the opponent" but with an objective: create an oppening rather than waiting for it. I'll note that too, thanks.
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    Using the same approach used by sports, where the defending team is actuating a solid defense, the key to break the wall is: keep trying and feinting until the defender leaves an opening.



    In basketball the attacker keeps moving the ball around, same in soccer. In chess or in box the attacker prepares attacks trying to weaken the defender position. And so on and so forth.



    Don't forget the saying




    the threat is stronger than the execution




    Just because you have a sword, you have already an advantage: you can feint an attack, but the shield bearer cannot feint a defense. It's either defend or take the blow.



    With the proper combination of movements it is possible to force the defender to leave an opening and then strike.



    Repeat until necessary.



    (if you have anything which can obstacle the defender movement, that is even better: throw a row or a net on the ground, and let he stumble in it while dancing with his shield to block your feints)






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      Feinting also sound a superb technique, related to the "tire the opponent" but with an objective: create an oppening rather than waiting for it. I'll note that too, thanks.
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    $begingroup$

    Using the same approach used by sports, where the defending team is actuating a solid defense, the key to break the wall is: keep trying and feinting until the defender leaves an opening.



    In basketball the attacker keeps moving the ball around, same in soccer. In chess or in box the attacker prepares attacks trying to weaken the defender position. And so on and so forth.



    Don't forget the saying




    the threat is stronger than the execution




    Just because you have a sword, you have already an advantage: you can feint an attack, but the shield bearer cannot feint a defense. It's either defend or take the blow.



    With the proper combination of movements it is possible to force the defender to leave an opening and then strike.



    Repeat until necessary.



    (if you have anything which can obstacle the defender movement, that is even better: throw a row or a net on the ground, and let he stumble in it while dancing with his shield to block your feints)






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    Using the same approach used by sports, where the defending team is actuating a solid defense, the key to break the wall is: keep trying and feinting until the defender leaves an opening.



    In basketball the attacker keeps moving the ball around, same in soccer. In chess or in box the attacker prepares attacks trying to weaken the defender position. And so on and so forth.



    Don't forget the saying




    the threat is stronger than the execution




    Just because you have a sword, you have already an advantage: you can feint an attack, but the shield bearer cannot feint a defense. It's either defend or take the blow.



    With the proper combination of movements it is possible to force the defender to leave an opening and then strike.



    Repeat until necessary.



    (if you have anything which can obstacle the defender movement, that is even better: throw a row or a net on the ground, and let he stumble in it while dancing with his shield to block your feints)







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      Feinting also sound a superb technique, related to the "tire the opponent" but with an objective: create an oppening rather than waiting for it. I'll note that too, thanks.
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      Feinting also sound a superb technique, related to the "tire the opponent" but with an objective: create an oppening rather than waiting for it. I'll note that too, thanks.
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    Feinting also sound a superb technique, related to the "tire the opponent" but with an objective: create an oppening rather than waiting for it. I'll note that too, thanks.
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    – Eric Juste Hernandez
    8 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Feinting also sound a superb technique, related to the "tire the opponent" but with an objective: create an oppening rather than waiting for it. I'll note that too, thanks.
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    i suggest use axe its the weapon specifically to break shield it can also hook the shield. (here an image how to hook the shield to the side)



    enter image description here



    if the user must use sword this falx sword can deal shield and cut the enemy limb (depend on the shield type since real scutum is thin) or hook the shield too.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falx



    enter image description here



    here some example image from quick google (dont know the real source is) it force roman to wear special arm guard just to deal with the dacian falx men.



    enter image description hereenter image description here



    also falx and 2H axe like halberd or dane axe can just reach around ignoring the shield to cut or hook the person exposed side directly like head,neck,arm,leg, or other body side not covered by the shield.






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      And now you got your only melee weapon stuck in the enemy's shield and he still has a sword.
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      it wont stuck long it can also just hook or pull the shield out if it stuck while mantaining range unless the enemy use spear or longer weapon, most warrior bring their secondary weapon anyway also dagger to finish off, for falx it can also reach around from the shield to cut the person arm or any exposed body side.
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      Well, but the question was about one-on-one combat. Fighting in a shield wall is way different.
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      yes? i think this is still valid for one on one combat, im pretty sure i dont mention shield wall or troop or multiple people though.
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      My bad, misread flax as phalanx and thought you ment shield wall. From my combat experience I can tell you that you don't casually split a shield, even a thin one we use for our sport, much less a thick historical one. If a shield gets split, usually a daneaxe user ignoring all safety concerns is responsible. You must commit fully to splitting a shield and even then succees ain't guaranteed. Ever tried splitting firewood? The axe gets stuck. And even if it doesn't get stuck, the enemy will twist shield to disarm you. Considering backup-weapons: I need 0.2 second to stab you when in position
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    i suggest use axe its the weapon specifically to break shield it can also hook the shield. (here an image how to hook the shield to the side)



    enter image description here



    if the user must use sword this falx sword can deal shield and cut the enemy limb (depend on the shield type since real scutum is thin) or hook the shield too.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falx



    enter image description here



    here some example image from quick google (dont know the real source is) it force roman to wear special arm guard just to deal with the dacian falx men.



    enter image description hereenter image description here



    also falx and 2H axe like halberd or dane axe can just reach around ignoring the shield to cut or hook the person exposed side directly like head,neck,arm,leg, or other body side not covered by the shield.






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      And now you got your only melee weapon stuck in the enemy's shield and he still has a sword.
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      it wont stuck long it can also just hook or pull the shield out if it stuck while mantaining range unless the enemy use spear or longer weapon, most warrior bring their secondary weapon anyway also dagger to finish off, for falx it can also reach around from the shield to cut the person arm or any exposed body side.
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      Well, but the question was about one-on-one combat. Fighting in a shield wall is way different.
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      – TheDyingOfLight
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      yes? i think this is still valid for one on one combat, im pretty sure i dont mention shield wall or troop or multiple people though.
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      – Li Jun
      6 hours ago






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      $begingroup$
      My bad, misread flax as phalanx and thought you ment shield wall. From my combat experience I can tell you that you don't casually split a shield, even a thin one we use for our sport, much less a thick historical one. If a shield gets split, usually a daneaxe user ignoring all safety concerns is responsible. You must commit fully to splitting a shield and even then succees ain't guaranteed. Ever tried splitting firewood? The axe gets stuck. And even if it doesn't get stuck, the enemy will twist shield to disarm you. Considering backup-weapons: I need 0.2 second to stab you when in position
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    $begingroup$

    i suggest use axe its the weapon specifically to break shield it can also hook the shield. (here an image how to hook the shield to the side)



    enter image description here



    if the user must use sword this falx sword can deal shield and cut the enemy limb (depend on the shield type since real scutum is thin) or hook the shield too.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falx



    enter image description here



    here some example image from quick google (dont know the real source is) it force roman to wear special arm guard just to deal with the dacian falx men.



    enter image description hereenter image description here



    also falx and 2H axe like halberd or dane axe can just reach around ignoring the shield to cut or hook the person exposed side directly like head,neck,arm,leg, or other body side not covered by the shield.






    share|improve this answer











    $endgroup$



    i suggest use axe its the weapon specifically to break shield it can also hook the shield. (here an image how to hook the shield to the side)



    enter image description here



    if the user must use sword this falx sword can deal shield and cut the enemy limb (depend on the shield type since real scutum is thin) or hook the shield too.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falx



    enter image description here



    here some example image from quick google (dont know the real source is) it force roman to wear special arm guard just to deal with the dacian falx men.



    enter image description hereenter image description here



    also falx and 2H axe like halberd or dane axe can just reach around ignoring the shield to cut or hook the person exposed side directly like head,neck,arm,leg, or other body side not covered by the shield.







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      And now you got your only melee weapon stuck in the enemy's shield and he still has a sword.
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      it wont stuck long it can also just hook or pull the shield out if it stuck while mantaining range unless the enemy use spear or longer weapon, most warrior bring their secondary weapon anyway also dagger to finish off, for falx it can also reach around from the shield to cut the person arm or any exposed body side.
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      Well, but the question was about one-on-one combat. Fighting in a shield wall is way different.
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      yes? i think this is still valid for one on one combat, im pretty sure i dont mention shield wall or troop or multiple people though.
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      – Li Jun
      6 hours ago






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      My bad, misread flax as phalanx and thought you ment shield wall. From my combat experience I can tell you that you don't casually split a shield, even a thin one we use for our sport, much less a thick historical one. If a shield gets split, usually a daneaxe user ignoring all safety concerns is responsible. You must commit fully to splitting a shield and even then succees ain't guaranteed. Ever tried splitting firewood? The axe gets stuck. And even if it doesn't get stuck, the enemy will twist shield to disarm you. Considering backup-weapons: I need 0.2 second to stab you when in position
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      And now you got your only melee weapon stuck in the enemy's shield and he still has a sword.
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      it wont stuck long it can also just hook or pull the shield out if it stuck while mantaining range unless the enemy use spear or longer weapon, most warrior bring their secondary weapon anyway also dagger to finish off, for falx it can also reach around from the shield to cut the person arm or any exposed body side.
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      Well, but the question was about one-on-one combat. Fighting in a shield wall is way different.
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      yes? i think this is still valid for one on one combat, im pretty sure i dont mention shield wall or troop or multiple people though.
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      – Li Jun
      6 hours ago






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      $begingroup$
      My bad, misread flax as phalanx and thought you ment shield wall. From my combat experience I can tell you that you don't casually split a shield, even a thin one we use for our sport, much less a thick historical one. If a shield gets split, usually a daneaxe user ignoring all safety concerns is responsible. You must commit fully to splitting a shield and even then succees ain't guaranteed. Ever tried splitting firewood? The axe gets stuck. And even if it doesn't get stuck, the enemy will twist shield to disarm you. Considering backup-weapons: I need 0.2 second to stab you when in position
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    And now you got your only melee weapon stuck in the enemy's shield and he still has a sword.
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    And now you got your only melee weapon stuck in the enemy's shield and he still has a sword.
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    it wont stuck long it can also just hook or pull the shield out if it stuck while mantaining range unless the enemy use spear or longer weapon, most warrior bring their secondary weapon anyway also dagger to finish off, for falx it can also reach around from the shield to cut the person arm or any exposed body side.
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    $begingroup$
    it wont stuck long it can also just hook or pull the shield out if it stuck while mantaining range unless the enemy use spear or longer weapon, most warrior bring their secondary weapon anyway also dagger to finish off, for falx it can also reach around from the shield to cut the person arm or any exposed body side.
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    Well, but the question was about one-on-one combat. Fighting in a shield wall is way different.
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    – TheDyingOfLight
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    Well, but the question was about one-on-one combat. Fighting in a shield wall is way different.
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    – TheDyingOfLight
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    yes? i think this is still valid for one on one combat, im pretty sure i dont mention shield wall or troop or multiple people though.
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    – Li Jun
    6 hours ago




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    yes? i think this is still valid for one on one combat, im pretty sure i dont mention shield wall or troop or multiple people though.
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    – Li Jun
    6 hours ago




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    My bad, misread flax as phalanx and thought you ment shield wall. From my combat experience I can tell you that you don't casually split a shield, even a thin one we use for our sport, much less a thick historical one. If a shield gets split, usually a daneaxe user ignoring all safety concerns is responsible. You must commit fully to splitting a shield and even then succees ain't guaranteed. Ever tried splitting firewood? The axe gets stuck. And even if it doesn't get stuck, the enemy will twist shield to disarm you. Considering backup-weapons: I need 0.2 second to stab you when in position
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    – TheDyingOfLight
    5 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    My bad, misread flax as phalanx and thought you ment shield wall. From my combat experience I can tell you that you don't casually split a shield, even a thin one we use for our sport, much less a thick historical one. If a shield gets split, usually a daneaxe user ignoring all safety concerns is responsible. You must commit fully to splitting a shield and even then succees ain't guaranteed. Ever tried splitting firewood? The axe gets stuck. And even if it doesn't get stuck, the enemy will twist shield to disarm you. Considering backup-weapons: I need 0.2 second to stab you when in position
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    Besides the ideas put forth already, from fighting in the SCA there were three methods of dealing with a shield, besides brute force or lightning speed



    1) As has been put forward, kick or strike the outside of the shield of great force, prying open room for an attack on the inner edge (nearest the yielders center line)



    2) strike the inner edge of the shield, pushing it in, which causes the outer edge to provide less protection for the side and back. Then attack, using a long weapon, at the backside of exposed side or back. You are reaching around the shield when you do this.



    3) Faint and cause the defender to raise the shield to protect their face, and then time the real attack for your backswing or the spin the sword technique in your hand (forget the proper name) when they will lower their shield to get a look at what you are doing.



    All attack methods have counters moves. And those counter moves have counter moves.
    In the end, between skilled fighters, it's about using combinations of tactics to force the other guy to make that final mistake.






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      Besides the ideas put forth already, from fighting in the SCA there were three methods of dealing with a shield, besides brute force or lightning speed



      1) As has been put forward, kick or strike the outside of the shield of great force, prying open room for an attack on the inner edge (nearest the yielders center line)



      2) strike the inner edge of the shield, pushing it in, which causes the outer edge to provide less protection for the side and back. Then attack, using a long weapon, at the backside of exposed side or back. You are reaching around the shield when you do this.



      3) Faint and cause the defender to raise the shield to protect their face, and then time the real attack for your backswing or the spin the sword technique in your hand (forget the proper name) when they will lower their shield to get a look at what you are doing.



      All attack methods have counters moves. And those counter moves have counter moves.
      In the end, between skilled fighters, it's about using combinations of tactics to force the other guy to make that final mistake.






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        Besides the ideas put forth already, from fighting in the SCA there were three methods of dealing with a shield, besides brute force or lightning speed



        1) As has been put forward, kick or strike the outside of the shield of great force, prying open room for an attack on the inner edge (nearest the yielders center line)



        2) strike the inner edge of the shield, pushing it in, which causes the outer edge to provide less protection for the side and back. Then attack, using a long weapon, at the backside of exposed side or back. You are reaching around the shield when you do this.



        3) Faint and cause the defender to raise the shield to protect their face, and then time the real attack for your backswing or the spin the sword technique in your hand (forget the proper name) when they will lower their shield to get a look at what you are doing.



        All attack methods have counters moves. And those counter moves have counter moves.
        In the end, between skilled fighters, it's about using combinations of tactics to force the other guy to make that final mistake.






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        Besides the ideas put forth already, from fighting in the SCA there were three methods of dealing with a shield, besides brute force or lightning speed



        1) As has been put forward, kick or strike the outside of the shield of great force, prying open room for an attack on the inner edge (nearest the yielders center line)



        2) strike the inner edge of the shield, pushing it in, which causes the outer edge to provide less protection for the side and back. Then attack, using a long weapon, at the backside of exposed side or back. You are reaching around the shield when you do this.



        3) Faint and cause the defender to raise the shield to protect their face, and then time the real attack for your backswing or the spin the sword technique in your hand (forget the proper name) when they will lower their shield to get a look at what you are doing.



        All attack methods have counters moves. And those counter moves have counter moves.
        In the end, between skilled fighters, it's about using combinations of tactics to force the other guy to make that final mistake.







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