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I've been practicing concentration for a while, trying to reach access concentrataion. In the beginning of my practice my mind was very noisy (as I guess anyone else), after a while I began to calm down and thoughts began to slow down enough for me to see the way to concentration. I experienced how tracking the breath and taking in all the texture really changes the state of my consciousness and feels like plunging to a deep water. It seems that this is a window to a wide world I really want to explore.
In recent sittings I've been finding myself calming down very much to the point of not focusing on anything at all. No thoughts, no breath. I guess there's still thoughts and activity but my mind is not in tune to any of them in particular. While this can fell quite good, I think its retarding my practice.
I notice that its now hard to track the breath in the same way, its like the mind is being lazy and wants to slip into the comfort of being dull. There's no texture to the breath and it now feels more distant.
What can I do to overcome this state of torpor and inject some clarity into the practice?
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I've been practicing concentration for a while, trying to reach access concentrataion. In the beginning of my practice my mind was very noisy (as I guess anyone else), after a while I began to calm down and thoughts began to slow down enough for me to see the way to concentration. I experienced how tracking the breath and taking in all the texture really changes the state of my consciousness and feels like plunging to a deep water. It seems that this is a window to a wide world I really want to explore.
In recent sittings I've been finding myself calming down very much to the point of not focusing on anything at all. No thoughts, no breath. I guess there's still thoughts and activity but my mind is not in tune to any of them in particular. While this can fell quite good, I think its retarding my practice.
I notice that its now hard to track the breath in the same way, its like the mind is being lazy and wants to slip into the comfort of being dull. There's no texture to the breath and it now feels more distant.
What can I do to overcome this state of torpor and inject some clarity into the practice?
access-concentration
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I've been practicing concentration for a while, trying to reach access concentrataion. In the beginning of my practice my mind was very noisy (as I guess anyone else), after a while I began to calm down and thoughts began to slow down enough for me to see the way to concentration. I experienced how tracking the breath and taking in all the texture really changes the state of my consciousness and feels like plunging to a deep water. It seems that this is a window to a wide world I really want to explore.
In recent sittings I've been finding myself calming down very much to the point of not focusing on anything at all. No thoughts, no breath. I guess there's still thoughts and activity but my mind is not in tune to any of them in particular. While this can fell quite good, I think its retarding my practice.
I notice that its now hard to track the breath in the same way, its like the mind is being lazy and wants to slip into the comfort of being dull. There's no texture to the breath and it now feels more distant.
What can I do to overcome this state of torpor and inject some clarity into the practice?
access-concentration
asked 9 hours ago
Matan TsuberiMatan Tsuberi
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I've been practicing concentration for a while, trying to reach access concentrataion. In the beginning of my practice my mind was very noisy (as I guess anyone else), after a while I began to calm down and thoughts began to slow down enough for me to see the way to concentration. I experienced how tracking the breath and taking in all the texture really changes the state of my consciousness and feels like plunging to a deep water. It seems that this is a window to a wide world I really want to explore.
In recent sittings I've been finding myself calming down very much to the point of not focusing on anything at all. No thoughts, no breath. I guess there's still thoughts and activity but my mind is not in tune to any of them in particular. While this can fell quite good, I think its retarding my practice.
I notice that its now hard to track the breath in the same way, its like the mind is being lazy and wants to slip into the comfort of being dull. There's no texture to the breath and it now feels more distant.
What can I do to overcome this state of torpor and inject some clarity into the practice?
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Take your finger off the trigger. Take your foot off the accelerator.
Just sit but with a quiet still silent mind.
Don't attempt to watch the breathing.
The Buddha did not teach to watch breathing.
The Buddha taught to abandon craving.
Every impulse to watch breathing is craving. When this impulse arises, abandon it, realise it, drop it, let it go.
When you stop trying or craving to watch breath and have a silent mind, Anapanasati (which means 'mindfulness with breathing' rather than 'mindfulness of breathing') can naturally take its natural course. 'Mindfulness' means 'to remember to keep the mind' free from craving.
When the mind stops trying to watch breathing, the mind will be free from the thought of 'trying'. Not trying actually makes the silent mind more clear, more sensitive.
Do we need to make an effort to hear a sound, to smell a smell or to see an object? if not, why does an effort need to be made to know/feel the breathing, when the mind is naturally silent?
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Well, without effort attention will not stay with the breath. It will wander away or in my case disappear.
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I find standing while meditating to be helpful
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Six things are conducive to the abandonment of sloth and torpor:
Knowing that overeating is a cause of it;
Changing the bodily posture;
Thinking of the perception of light;
Staying in the open air;
Noble friendship;
Suitable conversation.
For detailed discussion please read.https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/nyanaponika/wheel026.html#sloth
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Take your finger off the trigger. Take your foot off the accelerator.
Just sit but with a quiet still silent mind.
Don't attempt to watch the breathing.
The Buddha did not teach to watch breathing.
The Buddha taught to abandon craving.
Every impulse to watch breathing is craving. When this impulse arises, abandon it, realise it, drop it, let it go.
When you stop trying or craving to watch breath and have a silent mind, Anapanasati (which means 'mindfulness with breathing' rather than 'mindfulness of breathing') can naturally take its natural course. 'Mindfulness' means 'to remember to keep the mind' free from craving.
When the mind stops trying to watch breathing, the mind will be free from the thought of 'trying'. Not trying actually makes the silent mind more clear, more sensitive.
Do we need to make an effort to hear a sound, to smell a smell or to see an object? if not, why does an effort need to be made to know/feel the breathing, when the mind is naturally silent?
answered 6 hours ago
DhammadhatuDhammadhatu
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Well, without effort attention will not stay with the breath. It will wander away or in my case disappear.
– Matan Tsuberi
5 hours ago
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Take your finger off the trigger. Take your foot off the accelerator.
Just sit but with a quiet still silent mind.
Don't attempt to watch the breathing.
The Buddha did not teach to watch breathing.
The Buddha taught to abandon craving.
Every impulse to watch breathing is craving. When this impulse arises, abandon it, realise it, drop it, let it go.
When you stop trying or craving to watch breath and have a silent mind, Anapanasati (which means 'mindfulness with breathing' rather than 'mindfulness of breathing') can naturally take its natural course. 'Mindfulness' means 'to remember to keep the mind' free from craving.
When the mind stops trying to watch breathing, the mind will be free from the thought of 'trying'. Not trying actually makes the silent mind more clear, more sensitive.
Do we need to make an effort to hear a sound, to smell a smell or to see an object? if not, why does an effort need to be made to know/feel the breathing, when the mind is naturally silent?
answered 6 hours ago
DhammadhatuDhammadhatu
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Well, without effort attention will not stay with the breath. It will wander away or in my case disappear.
– Matan Tsuberi
5 hours ago
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Take your finger off the trigger. Take your foot off the accelerator.
Just sit but with a quiet still silent mind.
Don't attempt to watch the breathing.
The Buddha did not teach to watch breathing.
The Buddha taught to abandon craving.
Every impulse to watch breathing is craving. When this impulse arises, abandon it, realise it, drop it, let it go.
When you stop trying or craving to watch breath and have a silent mind, Anapanasati (which means 'mindfulness with breathing' rather than 'mindfulness of breathing') can naturally take its natural course. 'Mindfulness' means 'to remember to keep the mind' free from craving.
When the mind stops trying to watch breathing, the mind will be free from the thought of 'trying'. Not trying actually makes the silent mind more clear, more sensitive.
Do we need to make an effort to hear a sound, to smell a smell or to see an object? if not, why does an effort need to be made to know/feel the breathing, when the mind is naturally silent?
answered 6 hours ago
DhammadhatuDhammadhatu
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Take your finger off the trigger. Take your foot off the accelerator.
Just sit but with a quiet still silent mind.
Don't attempt to watch the breathing.
The Buddha did not teach to watch breathing.
The Buddha taught to abandon craving.
Every impulse to watch breathing is craving. When this impulse arises, abandon it, realise it, drop it, let it go.
When you stop trying or craving to watch breath and have a silent mind, Anapanasati (which means 'mindfulness with breathing' rather than 'mindfulness of breathing') can naturally take its natural course. 'Mindfulness' means 'to remember to keep the mind' free from craving.
When the mind stops trying to watch breathing, the mind will be free from the thought of 'trying'. Not trying actually makes the silent mind more clear, more sensitive.
Do we need to make an effort to hear a sound, to smell a smell or to see an object? if not, why does an effort need to be made to know/feel the breathing, when the mind is naturally silent?
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Well, without effort attention will not stay with the breath. It will wander away or in my case disappear.
– Matan Tsuberi
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Well, without effort attention will not stay with the breath. It will wander away or in my case disappear.
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Well, without effort attention will not stay with the breath. It will wander away or in my case disappear.
– Matan Tsuberi
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Well, without effort attention will not stay with the breath. It will wander away or in my case disappear.
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I find standing while meditating to be helpful
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Six things are conducive to the abandonment of sloth and torpor:
Knowing that overeating is a cause of it;
Changing the bodily posture;
Thinking of the perception of light;
Staying in the open air;
Noble friendship;
Suitable conversation.
For detailed discussion please read.https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/nyanaponika/wheel026.html#sloth
answered 3 hours ago
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Six things are conducive to the abandonment of sloth and torpor:
Knowing that overeating is a cause of it;
Changing the bodily posture;
Thinking of the perception of light;
Staying in the open air;
Noble friendship;
Suitable conversation.
For detailed discussion please read.https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/nyanaponika/wheel026.html#sloth
answered 3 hours ago
SarathWSarathW
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Six things are conducive to the abandonment of sloth and torpor:
Knowing that overeating is a cause of it;
Changing the bodily posture;
Thinking of the perception of light;
Staying in the open air;
Noble friendship;
Suitable conversation.
For detailed discussion please read.https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/nyanaponika/wheel026.html#sloth
answered 3 hours ago
SarathWSarathW
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Six things are conducive to the abandonment of sloth and torpor:
Knowing that overeating is a cause of it;
Changing the bodily posture;
Thinking of the perception of light;
Staying in the open air;
Noble friendship;
Suitable conversation.
For detailed discussion please read.https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/nyanaponika/wheel026.html#sloth
answered 3 hours ago
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