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Do you pay one or two mana to bounce a transformed Delver of Secrets with Repeal? In total I mean, does x have to be equal to 1 or 0?
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Two mana; even though the Insectile Aberration's side doesn't show a mana cost, that does not mean it doesn't have a converted mana cost:
711.4b While a double-faced permanent’s back face is up, it has only the characteristics of its back face. However, its converted mana cost is calculated using the mana cost of its front face. If a permanent is copying the back face of a double-faced card (even if the card representing that copy is itself a double-faced card), the converted mana cost of that permanent is 0.
Since Delver of Secrets' mana cost is 1, X = 1 and you'll have to pay 2 mana to Repeal it.
Please note that 'flipped' is another (but similar) mechanic where a card is rotated 180 degrees but its front face stays up, e.g. Akki Lavarunner. The same idea applies there too, though (see rule 709.1c).
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Your first sentence seems to imply that Insectile Aberration has a mana cost but it doesn't, its converted mana cost is just calculated using the mana cost on the front face.
– murgatroid99♦
3 hours ago
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I think it's worth noting that the ruling regarding this interaction was changed back in 2016 with the release of Shadows over Innistrad. Prior to that, a transformed DFC's CMC used to be 0.
– J. Sallé
3 hours ago
I learned about this from hearing that Isolate can be used on Adanto (flipped side of Legion's Landing). Feels intuitively bizarre to hit a land, and for me a point in favor of the old way.
– Vandermonde
29 mins ago
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Two mana; even though the Insectile Aberration's side doesn't show a mana cost, that does not mean it doesn't have a converted mana cost:
711.4b While a double-faced permanent’s back face is up, it has only the characteristics of its back face. However, its converted mana cost is calculated using the mana cost of its front face. If a permanent is copying the back face of a double-faced card (even if the card representing that copy is itself a double-faced card), the converted mana cost of that permanent is 0.
Since Delver of Secrets' mana cost is 1, X = 1 and you'll have to pay 2 mana to Repeal it.
Please note that 'flipped' is another (but similar) mechanic where a card is rotated 180 degrees but its front face stays up, e.g. Akki Lavarunner. The same idea applies there too, though (see rule 709.1c).
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Your first sentence seems to imply that Insectile Aberration has a mana cost but it doesn't, its converted mana cost is just calculated using the mana cost on the front face.
– murgatroid99♦
3 hours ago
5
I think it's worth noting that the ruling regarding this interaction was changed back in 2016 with the release of Shadows over Innistrad. Prior to that, a transformed DFC's CMC used to be 0.
– J. Sallé
3 hours ago
I learned about this from hearing that Isolate can be used on Adanto (flipped side of Legion's Landing). Feels intuitively bizarre to hit a land, and for me a point in favor of the old way.
– Vandermonde
29 mins ago
add a comment |
Two mana; even though the Insectile Aberration's side doesn't show a mana cost, that does not mean it doesn't have a converted mana cost:
711.4b While a double-faced permanent’s back face is up, it has only the characteristics of its back face. However, its converted mana cost is calculated using the mana cost of its front face. If a permanent is copying the back face of a double-faced card (even if the card representing that copy is itself a double-faced card), the converted mana cost of that permanent is 0.
Since Delver of Secrets' mana cost is 1, X = 1 and you'll have to pay 2 mana to Repeal it.
Please note that 'flipped' is another (but similar) mechanic where a card is rotated 180 degrees but its front face stays up, e.g. Akki Lavarunner. The same idea applies there too, though (see rule 709.1c).
answered 8 hours ago
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Your first sentence seems to imply that Insectile Aberration has a mana cost but it doesn't, its converted mana cost is just calculated using the mana cost on the front face.
– murgatroid99♦
3 hours ago
5
I think it's worth noting that the ruling regarding this interaction was changed back in 2016 with the release of Shadows over Innistrad. Prior to that, a transformed DFC's CMC used to be 0.
– J. Sallé
3 hours ago
I learned about this from hearing that Isolate can be used on Adanto (flipped side of Legion's Landing). Feels intuitively bizarre to hit a land, and for me a point in favor of the old way.
– Vandermonde
29 mins ago
add a comment |
Two mana; even though the Insectile Aberration's side doesn't show a mana cost, that does not mean it doesn't have a converted mana cost:
711.4b While a double-faced permanent’s back face is up, it has only the characteristics of its back face. However, its converted mana cost is calculated using the mana cost of its front face. If a permanent is copying the back face of a double-faced card (even if the card representing that copy is itself a double-faced card), the converted mana cost of that permanent is 0.
Since Delver of Secrets' mana cost is 1, X = 1 and you'll have to pay 2 mana to Repeal it.
Please note that 'flipped' is another (but similar) mechanic where a card is rotated 180 degrees but its front face stays up, e.g. Akki Lavarunner. The same idea applies there too, though (see rule 709.1c).
answered 8 hours ago
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Two mana; even though the Insectile Aberration's side doesn't show a mana cost, that does not mean it doesn't have a converted mana cost:
711.4b While a double-faced permanent’s back face is up, it has only the characteristics of its back face. However, its converted mana cost is calculated using the mana cost of its front face. If a permanent is copying the back face of a double-faced card (even if the card representing that copy is itself a double-faced card), the converted mana cost of that permanent is 0.
Since Delver of Secrets' mana cost is 1, X = 1 and you'll have to pay 2 mana to Repeal it.
Please note that 'flipped' is another (but similar) mechanic where a card is rotated 180 degrees but its front face stays up, e.g. Akki Lavarunner. The same idea applies there too, though (see rule 709.1c).
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Your first sentence seems to imply that Insectile Aberration has a mana cost but it doesn't, its converted mana cost is just calculated using the mana cost on the front face.
– murgatroid99♦
3 hours ago
5
I think it's worth noting that the ruling regarding this interaction was changed back in 2016 with the release of Shadows over Innistrad. Prior to that, a transformed DFC's CMC used to be 0.
– J. Sallé
3 hours ago
I learned about this from hearing that Isolate can be used on Adanto (flipped side of Legion's Landing). Feels intuitively bizarre to hit a land, and for me a point in favor of the old way.
– Vandermonde
29 mins ago
add a comment |
Your first sentence seems to imply that Insectile Aberration has a mana cost but it doesn't, its converted mana cost is just calculated using the mana cost on the front face.
– murgatroid99♦
3 hours ago
5
I think it's worth noting that the ruling regarding this interaction was changed back in 2016 with the release of Shadows over Innistrad. Prior to that, a transformed DFC's CMC used to be 0.
– J. Sallé
3 hours ago
I learned about this from hearing that Isolate can be used on Adanto (flipped side of Legion's Landing). Feels intuitively bizarre to hit a land, and for me a point in favor of the old way.
– Vandermonde
29 mins ago
Your first sentence seems to imply that Insectile Aberration has a mana cost but it doesn't, its converted mana cost is just calculated using the mana cost on the front face.
– murgatroid99♦
3 hours ago
Your first sentence seems to imply that Insectile Aberration has a mana cost but it doesn't, its converted mana cost is just calculated using the mana cost on the front face.
– murgatroid99♦
3 hours ago
5
5
I think it's worth noting that the ruling regarding this interaction was changed back in 2016 with the release of Shadows over Innistrad. Prior to that, a transformed DFC's CMC used to be 0.
– J. Sallé
3 hours ago
I think it's worth noting that the ruling regarding this interaction was changed back in 2016 with the release of Shadows over Innistrad. Prior to that, a transformed DFC's CMC used to be 0.
– J. Sallé
3 hours ago
I learned about this from hearing that Isolate can be used on Adanto (flipped side of Legion's Landing). Feels intuitively bizarre to hit a land, and for me a point in favor of the old way.
– Vandermonde
29 mins ago
I learned about this from hearing that Isolate can be used on Adanto (flipped side of Legion's Landing). Feels intuitively bizarre to hit a land, and for me a point in favor of the old way.
– Vandermonde
29 mins ago
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