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How do native German speakers usually express skepticism (using even) about a premise?
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In English when we express skepticism about a premise we frequently use a phrase that starts with the word "even". For example:
Joe: Do you know the band named Rammstein?
Dietrich: Everyone in Germany loves Rammstein?
Joe: Really? Even your grandparents?
Here Joe is expressing skepticism that people who are much older than Dietrich are familiar with the industrial-metal/nu-metal band Rammstein.
Or another example:
Paul: I love everything about my new job!
Angela: Even the 1 hour drive in rush hour traffic every morning?
Angela has heard Paul express angrily on more than one occasion frustration with his long commute at the new job, and is using a phrase beginning with "even" to remind him that this contradicts his statement.
So what phrase do Germans most commonly use to express skepticism or doubt in a premise, when replying to the person that made that statement?
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In English when we express skepticism about a premise we frequently use a phrase that starts with the word "even". For example:
Joe: Do you know the band named Rammstein?
Dietrich: Everyone in Germany loves Rammstein?
Joe: Really? Even your grandparents?
Here Joe is expressing skepticism that people who are much older than Dietrich are familiar with the industrial-metal/nu-metal band Rammstein.
Or another example:
Paul: I love everything about my new job!
Angela: Even the 1 hour drive in rush hour traffic every morning?
Angela has heard Paul express angrily on more than one occasion frustration with his long commute at the new job, and is using a phrase beginning with "even" to remind him that this contradicts his statement.
So what phrase do Germans most commonly use to express skepticism or doubt in a premise, when replying to the person that made that statement?
colloquial
edited 8 hours ago
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In English when we express skepticism about a premise we frequently use a phrase that starts with the word "even". For example:
Joe: Do you know the band named Rammstein?
Dietrich: Everyone in Germany loves Rammstein?
Joe: Really? Even your grandparents?
Here Joe is expressing skepticism that people who are much older than Dietrich are familiar with the industrial-metal/nu-metal band Rammstein.
Or another example:
Paul: I love everything about my new job!
Angela: Even the 1 hour drive in rush hour traffic every morning?
Angela has heard Paul express angrily on more than one occasion frustration with his long commute at the new job, and is using a phrase beginning with "even" to remind him that this contradicts his statement.
So what phrase do Germans most commonly use to express skepticism or doubt in a premise, when replying to the person that made that statement?
colloquial
edited 8 hours ago
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In English when we express skepticism about a premise we frequently use a phrase that starts with the word "even". For example:
Joe: Do you know the band named Rammstein?
Dietrich: Everyone in Germany loves Rammstein?
Joe: Really? Even your grandparents?
Here Joe is expressing skepticism that people who are much older than Dietrich are familiar with the industrial-metal/nu-metal band Rammstein.
Or another example:
Paul: I love everything about my new job!
Angela: Even the 1 hour drive in rush hour traffic every morning?
Angela has heard Paul express angrily on more than one occasion frustration with his long commute at the new job, and is using a phrase beginning with "even" to remind him that this contradicts his statement.
So what phrase do Germans most commonly use to express skepticism or doubt in a premise, when replying to the person that made that statement?
colloquial
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It's just the same as in English language. Most of the time a rethorical question is asked like in your examples.
Even would be translated simply as auch [wenn] or (with a bit stronger emphasis) sogar [wenn], or selbst [wenn].
For your examples:
Joe: Kennst Du die Band Rammstein?
Dietrich: Jedermann in Deutschland liebt Rammstein?
Joe: Wirklich? Auch Deine Grosseltern?
Paul: Ich liebe Alles an meinem neuen Job!
Angela: Auch die Stunde jeden Morgen im Berufsverkehr?
Or with the slightly stronger emphasis as mentioned:
Joe: Kennst Du die Band Rammstein?
Dietrich: Jedermann in Deutschland liebt Rammstein?
Joe: Wirklich? Sogar/Selbst Deine Grosseltern?
Paul: Ich liebe Alles an meinem neuen Job!
Angela: Sogar/Selbst die Stunde jeden Morgen im Berufsverkehr?
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You could also mention selbst.
– Carsten S
8 hours ago
@CarstenS That's a great finding! Selbst is a synonym as well. I'll try to incorporate that.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@CarstenS Funny enough, first hit at dict.leo.org :-).
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If you want to express a stronger degree of disbelief than with sogar or auch, you could say:
Joe: Wirklich? Deine Eltern etwa auch?
In any case, the expressed degree of your scepticism depends at least as much on the right intonation as on the choice of words..
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In that context I would translate "even" by "sogar". For example
Joe: Wirklich? Sogar Deine Großeltern?
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Auch almost fits equally well.
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@πάνταῥεῖ Certainly "auch" can be auch used. But I think "sogar" is stronger and better expresses skepticism. See for example duden.de/rechtschreibung/sogar.
– Paul Frost
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I mentioned in my answer that sogar expresses a stronger emphasis. In colloquial usage auch will be more frequently used from my experience.
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It's just the same as in English language. Most of the time a rethorical question is asked like in your examples.
Even would be translated simply as auch [wenn] or (with a bit stronger emphasis) sogar [wenn], or selbst [wenn].
For your examples:
Joe: Kennst Du die Band Rammstein?
Dietrich: Jedermann in Deutschland liebt Rammstein?
Joe: Wirklich? Auch Deine Grosseltern?
Paul: Ich liebe Alles an meinem neuen Job!
Angela: Auch die Stunde jeden Morgen im Berufsverkehr?
Or with the slightly stronger emphasis as mentioned:
Joe: Kennst Du die Band Rammstein?
Dietrich: Jedermann in Deutschland liebt Rammstein?
Joe: Wirklich? Sogar/Selbst Deine Grosseltern?
Paul: Ich liebe Alles an meinem neuen Job!
Angela: Sogar/Selbst die Stunde jeden Morgen im Berufsverkehr?
answered 8 hours ago
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You could also mention selbst.
– Carsten S
8 hours ago
@CarstenS That's a great finding! Selbst is a synonym as well. I'll try to incorporate that.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@CarstenS Funny enough, first hit at dict.leo.org :-).
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
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It's just the same as in English language. Most of the time a rethorical question is asked like in your examples.
Even would be translated simply as auch [wenn] or (with a bit stronger emphasis) sogar [wenn], or selbst [wenn].
For your examples:
Joe: Kennst Du die Band Rammstein?
Dietrich: Jedermann in Deutschland liebt Rammstein?
Joe: Wirklich? Auch Deine Grosseltern?
Paul: Ich liebe Alles an meinem neuen Job!
Angela: Auch die Stunde jeden Morgen im Berufsverkehr?
Or with the slightly stronger emphasis as mentioned:
Joe: Kennst Du die Band Rammstein?
Dietrich: Jedermann in Deutschland liebt Rammstein?
Joe: Wirklich? Sogar/Selbst Deine Grosseltern?
Paul: Ich liebe Alles an meinem neuen Job!
Angela: Sogar/Selbst die Stunde jeden Morgen im Berufsverkehr?
answered 8 hours ago
πάντα ῥεῖπάντα ῥεῖ
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You could also mention selbst.
– Carsten S
8 hours ago
@CarstenS That's a great finding! Selbst is a synonym as well. I'll try to incorporate that.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@CarstenS Funny enough, first hit at dict.leo.org :-).
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
add a comment |
It's just the same as in English language. Most of the time a rethorical question is asked like in your examples.
Even would be translated simply as auch [wenn] or (with a bit stronger emphasis) sogar [wenn], or selbst [wenn].
For your examples:
Joe: Kennst Du die Band Rammstein?
Dietrich: Jedermann in Deutschland liebt Rammstein?
Joe: Wirklich? Auch Deine Grosseltern?
Paul: Ich liebe Alles an meinem neuen Job!
Angela: Auch die Stunde jeden Morgen im Berufsverkehr?
Or with the slightly stronger emphasis as mentioned:
Joe: Kennst Du die Band Rammstein?
Dietrich: Jedermann in Deutschland liebt Rammstein?
Joe: Wirklich? Sogar/Selbst Deine Grosseltern?
Paul: Ich liebe Alles an meinem neuen Job!
Angela: Sogar/Selbst die Stunde jeden Morgen im Berufsverkehr?
answered 8 hours ago
πάντα ῥεῖπάντα ῥεῖ
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It's just the same as in English language. Most of the time a rethorical question is asked like in your examples.
Even would be translated simply as auch [wenn] or (with a bit stronger emphasis) sogar [wenn], or selbst [wenn].
For your examples:
Joe: Kennst Du die Band Rammstein?
Dietrich: Jedermann in Deutschland liebt Rammstein?
Joe: Wirklich? Auch Deine Grosseltern?
Paul: Ich liebe Alles an meinem neuen Job!
Angela: Auch die Stunde jeden Morgen im Berufsverkehr?
Or with the slightly stronger emphasis as mentioned:
Joe: Kennst Du die Band Rammstein?
Dietrich: Jedermann in Deutschland liebt Rammstein?
Joe: Wirklich? Sogar/Selbst Deine Grosseltern?
Paul: Ich liebe Alles an meinem neuen Job!
Angela: Sogar/Selbst die Stunde jeden Morgen im Berufsverkehr?
answered 8 hours ago
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You could also mention selbst.
– Carsten S
8 hours ago
@CarstenS That's a great finding! Selbst is a synonym as well. I'll try to incorporate that.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@CarstenS Funny enough, first hit at dict.leo.org :-).
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
add a comment |
1
You could also mention selbst.
– Carsten S
8 hours ago
@CarstenS That's a great finding! Selbst is a synonym as well. I'll try to incorporate that.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@CarstenS Funny enough, first hit at dict.leo.org :-).
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
1
1
You could also mention selbst.
– Carsten S
8 hours ago
You could also mention selbst.
– Carsten S
8 hours ago
@CarstenS That's a great finding! Selbst is a synonym as well. I'll try to incorporate that.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@CarstenS That's a great finding! Selbst is a synonym as well. I'll try to incorporate that.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@CarstenS Funny enough, first hit at dict.leo.org :-).
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@CarstenS Funny enough, first hit at dict.leo.org :-).
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
add a comment |
If you want to express a stronger degree of disbelief than with sogar or auch, you could say:
Joe: Wirklich? Deine Eltern etwa auch?
In any case, the expressed degree of your scepticism depends at least as much on the right intonation as on the choice of words..
answered 7 hours ago
Frank from FrankfurtFrank from Frankfurt
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If you want to express a stronger degree of disbelief than with sogar or auch, you could say:
Joe: Wirklich? Deine Eltern etwa auch?
In any case, the expressed degree of your scepticism depends at least as much on the right intonation as on the choice of words..
answered 7 hours ago
Frank from FrankfurtFrank from Frankfurt
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If you want to express a stronger degree of disbelief than with sogar or auch, you could say:
Joe: Wirklich? Deine Eltern etwa auch?
In any case, the expressed degree of your scepticism depends at least as much on the right intonation as on the choice of words..
answered 7 hours ago
Frank from FrankfurtFrank from Frankfurt
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If you want to express a stronger degree of disbelief than with sogar or auch, you could say:
Joe: Wirklich? Deine Eltern etwa auch?
In any case, the expressed degree of your scepticism depends at least as much on the right intonation as on the choice of words..
answered 7 hours ago
Frank from FrankfurtFrank from Frankfurt
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answered 7 hours ago
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answered 7 hours ago
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In that context I would translate "even" by "sogar". For example
Joe: Wirklich? Sogar Deine Großeltern?
answered 8 hours ago
Paul FrostPaul Frost
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Auch almost fits equally well.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@πάνταῥεῖ Certainly "auch" can be auch used. But I think "sogar" is stronger and better expresses skepticism. See for example duden.de/rechtschreibung/sogar.
– Paul Frost
8 hours ago
1
I mentioned in my answer that sogar expresses a stronger emphasis. In colloquial usage auch will be more frequently used from my experience.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
add a comment |
In that context I would translate "even" by "sogar". For example
Joe: Wirklich? Sogar Deine Großeltern?
answered 8 hours ago
Paul FrostPaul Frost
1994 bronze badges
1
Auch almost fits equally well.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@πάνταῥεῖ Certainly "auch" can be auch used. But I think "sogar" is stronger and better expresses skepticism. See for example duden.de/rechtschreibung/sogar.
– Paul Frost
8 hours ago
1
I mentioned in my answer that sogar expresses a stronger emphasis. In colloquial usage auch will be more frequently used from my experience.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
add a comment |
In that context I would translate "even" by "sogar". For example
Joe: Wirklich? Sogar Deine Großeltern?
answered 8 hours ago
Paul FrostPaul Frost
1994 bronze badges
In that context I would translate "even" by "sogar". For example
Joe: Wirklich? Sogar Deine Großeltern?
answered 8 hours ago
Paul FrostPaul Frost
1994 bronze badges
answered 8 hours ago
Paul FrostPaul Frost
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answered 8 hours ago
Paul FrostPaul Frost
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Paul FrostPaul Frost
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Auch almost fits equally well.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@πάνταῥεῖ Certainly "auch" can be auch used. But I think "sogar" is stronger and better expresses skepticism. See for example duden.de/rechtschreibung/sogar.
– Paul Frost
8 hours ago
1
I mentioned in my answer that sogar expresses a stronger emphasis. In colloquial usage auch will be more frequently used from my experience.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Auch almost fits equally well.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@πάνταῥεῖ Certainly "auch" can be auch used. But I think "sogar" is stronger and better expresses skepticism. See for example duden.de/rechtschreibung/sogar.
– Paul Frost
8 hours ago
1
I mentioned in my answer that sogar expresses a stronger emphasis. In colloquial usage auch will be more frequently used from my experience.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
1
1
Auch almost fits equally well.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
Auch almost fits equally well.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
@πάνταῥεῖ Certainly "auch" can be auch used. But I think "sogar" is stronger and better expresses skepticism. See for example duden.de/rechtschreibung/sogar.
– Paul Frost
8 hours ago
@πάνταῥεῖ Certainly "auch" can be auch used. But I think "sogar" is stronger and better expresses skepticism. See for example duden.de/rechtschreibung/sogar.
– Paul Frost
8 hours ago
1
1
I mentioned in my answer that sogar expresses a stronger emphasis. In colloquial usage auch will be more frequently used from my experience.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
I mentioned in my answer that sogar expresses a stronger emphasis. In colloquial usage auch will be more frequently used from my experience.
– πάντα ῥεῖ
8 hours ago
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