How are mathematicians paid to do research?What happens to unproductive professors?Question regarding how to slow down and enjoy academic lifeHow could one best go about research in Pure Mathematics, whilst holding a full/part-time job?How do mathematicians conduct research?How often do mathematics professors move up from mediocre schools to good ones?What points should I consider when applying for/accepting a position at another department?Does it look bad if I put a variety of interests in my research statement?Are pure mathematicians at U.S. universities expected to win research grants?First research proposal for a postdoc applicationDoing Math Research in a “non-mathematical” environmentObtaining academic positions after doing research in logic
Does a wizard need their hands free in order to cause their familiar from the Find Familiar spell to reappear?
What's it called when the bad guy gets eaten?
Number of short hairs coming out of the base of the head Tefillin
Can I play a mimic PC?
Party going through airport security at separate times?
How often does the spell Sleet Storm require concentration checks?
LMOP: what beasts live in Neverwinter Wood?
LED glows slightly during soldering
OR-backed serious games
Received a dinner invitation through my employer's email, is it ok to attend?
Should I include code in my research paper?
Why did people still chant "Lock her up" at Trump rallies in 2019?
Why archangel Michael didn't save Jesus when he was crucified?
Is it OK to leave real names & info visible in business card portfolio?
Frustrated with university's intro proof book
The three greedy pirates
How to know if blackberries are safe to eat
Graduate student with abysmal English writing skills, how to help
What happens to unproductive professors?
[Future]Historical experience as a guide to warship design?
How do native German speakers usually express skepticism (using even) about a premise?
Why did Old English lose both thorn and eth?
Could you brine steak?
Would a carnivorous diet be able to support a giant worm?
How are mathematicians paid to do research?
What happens to unproductive professors?Question regarding how to slow down and enjoy academic lifeHow could one best go about research in Pure Mathematics, whilst holding a full/part-time job?How do mathematicians conduct research?How often do mathematics professors move up from mediocre schools to good ones?What points should I consider when applying for/accepting a position at another department?Does it look bad if I put a variety of interests in my research statement?Are pure mathematicians at U.S. universities expected to win research grants?First research proposal for a postdoc applicationDoing Math Research in a “non-mathematical” environmentObtaining academic positions after doing research in logic
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;
How are (pure) mathematicians paid to do research? Let's say my interests lie in the foundations of mathematics and I want to do research in that area. How am I going to get paid for that in the traditional context of academia?
research-process mathematics
New contributor
add a comment |
How are (pure) mathematicians paid to do research? Let's say my interests lie in the foundations of mathematics and I want to do research in that area. How am I going to get paid for that in the traditional context of academia?
research-process mathematics
New contributor
5
Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
1
You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?
– Aleksandr
8 hours ago
2
Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
add a comment |
How are (pure) mathematicians paid to do research? Let's say my interests lie in the foundations of mathematics and I want to do research in that area. How am I going to get paid for that in the traditional context of academia?
research-process mathematics
New contributor
How are (pure) mathematicians paid to do research? Let's say my interests lie in the foundations of mathematics and I want to do research in that area. How am I going to get paid for that in the traditional context of academia?
research-process mathematics
research-process mathematics
New contributor
New contributor
New contributor
asked 8 hours ago
AleksandrAleksandr
211 bronze badge
211 bronze badge
New contributor
New contributor
5
Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
1
You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?
– Aleksandr
8 hours ago
2
Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
add a comment |
5
Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
1
You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?
– Aleksandr
8 hours ago
2
Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
5
5
Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
1
1
You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?
– Aleksandr
8 hours ago
So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?
– Aleksandr
8 hours ago
2
2
Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
add a comment |
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
99% of long-term positions that involve being paid to do research in pure math are tenure track faculty positions, colloquially known as professorships (in the US, they follow the progression Assistant Professor -> Associate Professor -> Professor). A professor is paid to teach, do research, and to a lesser extent, to do a variety of other vaguely related things that are discussed in many places on this website and elsewhere.
Professors teach and do research. It is not true that (quoting from one of the comments) “mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living”. It is also not true that (quoting from another comment) “at some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct”. Perhaps some professors have the mindset that their job is “mainly” about one or the other thing, but that’s simply a matter of personal perception rather than an objective truth. The objective truth is that professors teach and do research, and are paid to do those two things. Nothing is “on the side” or is “the main job”.
It is also not the case that (as seems to be implied by another answer) all math professors have, or need, grant funding to do their work. Grant funding is good to have, and getting it is both a catalyst for and a side-effect of career success. It can also give your salary a modest boost. But most of the funding doesn’t go directly into your pocket, and there are plenty of math professors who have steady employment and do quite well in their research without having it.
Finally, there is a very small number of mathematicians who have permanent, full time positions doing only research. Examples of places where such positions exist are the Institute of Advanced Study, and Microsoft Research. Those positions are very prestigious and rare, so hoping to land one of them is not a viable career plan.
add a comment |
This funding comes from two main sources:
- Employment, e.g. by getting a professorship somewhere. This means a steady salary. Note professorships aren't just teaching duties - professors are also expected to output research, mentor PhD students who output research, and so on (see this recent question for what happens to "unproductive" professors).
- Grant funding. You write proposals to whoever is funding mathematics research (e.g. the NSA if you're in the US). You tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to do it, how much money you'll need, etc. If they approve of your proposal then they send you money to do the research.
1
With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
4
Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...
– zibadawa timmy
6 hours ago
@zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
add a comment |
I will argue that research is the primary job that most salaried professors get paid to do. From Wikipedia: Professor:
Professors often conduct original research and commonly teach
undergraduate, professional and postgraduate courses in their fields
of expertise.
Note that "research" is listed first. From an excellent page by Mark Tomforde, University of Houston, "Job Responsibilities of Professors":
In the UH math department, the responsibilities of a typical tenured
or tenure-track faculty member are usually allocated as 40% Research,
40% Teaching, and 20% Service.
Note that research is again listed first. (The approximate allocation matches what I've heard expressed many times, in many places.) Steven Krantz in How to Teach Mathematics (Ch. 6) quotes the Chair of the University of Chicago Mathematics Department, welcoming a new faculty member in the 1960s:
Remember: Our job is proving theorems.
At my institution, faculty promotion is officially based on the standard triad (research, teaching, and service); but I've been told by those involved that in practice, it really just boils down to number of research publications (justified by the fact that research publications are easier to identify and count than quality teaching or service).
One might argue philosophically that the "emphasis" of faculty work derives from the funding source. Traditionally most funding in the U.S. came from state governments (arguing in favor of a research focus); over time state support has shrunk, and student tuition increased, such that today it approaches a 50/50 ratio (arguing in favor of parity emphasis with teaching). See Figure 8 here.
Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.
– Dan Romik
1 hour ago
@DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.
– Daniel R. Collins
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "415"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Aleksandr is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2facademia.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f133089%2fhow-are-mathematicians-paid-to-do-research%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
99% of long-term positions that involve being paid to do research in pure math are tenure track faculty positions, colloquially known as professorships (in the US, they follow the progression Assistant Professor -> Associate Professor -> Professor). A professor is paid to teach, do research, and to a lesser extent, to do a variety of other vaguely related things that are discussed in many places on this website and elsewhere.
Professors teach and do research. It is not true that (quoting from one of the comments) “mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living”. It is also not true that (quoting from another comment) “at some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct”. Perhaps some professors have the mindset that their job is “mainly” about one or the other thing, but that’s simply a matter of personal perception rather than an objective truth. The objective truth is that professors teach and do research, and are paid to do those two things. Nothing is “on the side” or is “the main job”.
It is also not the case that (as seems to be implied by another answer) all math professors have, or need, grant funding to do their work. Grant funding is good to have, and getting it is both a catalyst for and a side-effect of career success. It can also give your salary a modest boost. But most of the funding doesn’t go directly into your pocket, and there are plenty of math professors who have steady employment and do quite well in their research without having it.
Finally, there is a very small number of mathematicians who have permanent, full time positions doing only research. Examples of places where such positions exist are the Institute of Advanced Study, and Microsoft Research. Those positions are very prestigious and rare, so hoping to land one of them is not a viable career plan.
add a comment |
99% of long-term positions that involve being paid to do research in pure math are tenure track faculty positions, colloquially known as professorships (in the US, they follow the progression Assistant Professor -> Associate Professor -> Professor). A professor is paid to teach, do research, and to a lesser extent, to do a variety of other vaguely related things that are discussed in many places on this website and elsewhere.
Professors teach and do research. It is not true that (quoting from one of the comments) “mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living”. It is also not true that (quoting from another comment) “at some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct”. Perhaps some professors have the mindset that their job is “mainly” about one or the other thing, but that’s simply a matter of personal perception rather than an objective truth. The objective truth is that professors teach and do research, and are paid to do those two things. Nothing is “on the side” or is “the main job”.
It is also not the case that (as seems to be implied by another answer) all math professors have, or need, grant funding to do their work. Grant funding is good to have, and getting it is both a catalyst for and a side-effect of career success. It can also give your salary a modest boost. But most of the funding doesn’t go directly into your pocket, and there are plenty of math professors who have steady employment and do quite well in their research without having it.
Finally, there is a very small number of mathematicians who have permanent, full time positions doing only research. Examples of places where such positions exist are the Institute of Advanced Study, and Microsoft Research. Those positions are very prestigious and rare, so hoping to land one of them is not a viable career plan.
add a comment |
99% of long-term positions that involve being paid to do research in pure math are tenure track faculty positions, colloquially known as professorships (in the US, they follow the progression Assistant Professor -> Associate Professor -> Professor). A professor is paid to teach, do research, and to a lesser extent, to do a variety of other vaguely related things that are discussed in many places on this website and elsewhere.
Professors teach and do research. It is not true that (quoting from one of the comments) “mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living”. It is also not true that (quoting from another comment) “at some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct”. Perhaps some professors have the mindset that their job is “mainly” about one or the other thing, but that’s simply a matter of personal perception rather than an objective truth. The objective truth is that professors teach and do research, and are paid to do those two things. Nothing is “on the side” or is “the main job”.
It is also not the case that (as seems to be implied by another answer) all math professors have, or need, grant funding to do their work. Grant funding is good to have, and getting it is both a catalyst for and a side-effect of career success. It can also give your salary a modest boost. But most of the funding doesn’t go directly into your pocket, and there are plenty of math professors who have steady employment and do quite well in their research without having it.
Finally, there is a very small number of mathematicians who have permanent, full time positions doing only research. Examples of places where such positions exist are the Institute of Advanced Study, and Microsoft Research. Those positions are very prestigious and rare, so hoping to land one of them is not a viable career plan.
99% of long-term positions that involve being paid to do research in pure math are tenure track faculty positions, colloquially known as professorships (in the US, they follow the progression Assistant Professor -> Associate Professor -> Professor). A professor is paid to teach, do research, and to a lesser extent, to do a variety of other vaguely related things that are discussed in many places on this website and elsewhere.
Professors teach and do research. It is not true that (quoting from one of the comments) “mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living”. It is also not true that (quoting from another comment) “at some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct”. Perhaps some professors have the mindset that their job is “mainly” about one or the other thing, but that’s simply a matter of personal perception rather than an objective truth. The objective truth is that professors teach and do research, and are paid to do those two things. Nothing is “on the side” or is “the main job”.
It is also not the case that (as seems to be implied by another answer) all math professors have, or need, grant funding to do their work. Grant funding is good to have, and getting it is both a catalyst for and a side-effect of career success. It can also give your salary a modest boost. But most of the funding doesn’t go directly into your pocket, and there are plenty of math professors who have steady employment and do quite well in their research without having it.
Finally, there is a very small number of mathematicians who have permanent, full time positions doing only research. Examples of places where such positions exist are the Institute of Advanced Study, and Microsoft Research. Those positions are very prestigious and rare, so hoping to land one of them is not a viable career plan.
edited 4 hours ago
answered 4 hours ago
Dan RomikDan Romik
88.7k22 gold badges192 silver badges294 bronze badges
88.7k22 gold badges192 silver badges294 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
This funding comes from two main sources:
- Employment, e.g. by getting a professorship somewhere. This means a steady salary. Note professorships aren't just teaching duties - professors are also expected to output research, mentor PhD students who output research, and so on (see this recent question for what happens to "unproductive" professors).
- Grant funding. You write proposals to whoever is funding mathematics research (e.g. the NSA if you're in the US). You tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to do it, how much money you'll need, etc. If they approve of your proposal then they send you money to do the research.
1
With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
4
Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...
– zibadawa timmy
6 hours ago
@zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
add a comment |
This funding comes from two main sources:
- Employment, e.g. by getting a professorship somewhere. This means a steady salary. Note professorships aren't just teaching duties - professors are also expected to output research, mentor PhD students who output research, and so on (see this recent question for what happens to "unproductive" professors).
- Grant funding. You write proposals to whoever is funding mathematics research (e.g. the NSA if you're in the US). You tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to do it, how much money you'll need, etc. If they approve of your proposal then they send you money to do the research.
1
With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
4
Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...
– zibadawa timmy
6 hours ago
@zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
add a comment |
This funding comes from two main sources:
- Employment, e.g. by getting a professorship somewhere. This means a steady salary. Note professorships aren't just teaching duties - professors are also expected to output research, mentor PhD students who output research, and so on (see this recent question for what happens to "unproductive" professors).
- Grant funding. You write proposals to whoever is funding mathematics research (e.g. the NSA if you're in the US). You tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to do it, how much money you'll need, etc. If they approve of your proposal then they send you money to do the research.
This funding comes from two main sources:
- Employment, e.g. by getting a professorship somewhere. This means a steady salary. Note professorships aren't just teaching duties - professors are also expected to output research, mentor PhD students who output research, and so on (see this recent question for what happens to "unproductive" professors).
- Grant funding. You write proposals to whoever is funding mathematics research (e.g. the NSA if you're in the US). You tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to do it, how much money you'll need, etc. If they approve of your proposal then they send you money to do the research.
answered 8 hours ago
AllureAllure
40.9k20 gold badges123 silver badges182 bronze badges
40.9k20 gold badges123 silver badges182 bronze badges
1
With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
4
Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...
– zibadawa timmy
6 hours ago
@zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
add a comment |
1
With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
4
Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...
– zibadawa timmy
6 hours ago
@zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
1
1
With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
4
4
Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...
– zibadawa timmy
6 hours ago
Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...
– zibadawa timmy
6 hours ago
@zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
@zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.
– A Simple Algorithm
3 hours ago
add a comment |
I will argue that research is the primary job that most salaried professors get paid to do. From Wikipedia: Professor:
Professors often conduct original research and commonly teach
undergraduate, professional and postgraduate courses in their fields
of expertise.
Note that "research" is listed first. From an excellent page by Mark Tomforde, University of Houston, "Job Responsibilities of Professors":
In the UH math department, the responsibilities of a typical tenured
or tenure-track faculty member are usually allocated as 40% Research,
40% Teaching, and 20% Service.
Note that research is again listed first. (The approximate allocation matches what I've heard expressed many times, in many places.) Steven Krantz in How to Teach Mathematics (Ch. 6) quotes the Chair of the University of Chicago Mathematics Department, welcoming a new faculty member in the 1960s:
Remember: Our job is proving theorems.
At my institution, faculty promotion is officially based on the standard triad (research, teaching, and service); but I've been told by those involved that in practice, it really just boils down to number of research publications (justified by the fact that research publications are easier to identify and count than quality teaching or service).
One might argue philosophically that the "emphasis" of faculty work derives from the funding source. Traditionally most funding in the U.S. came from state governments (arguing in favor of a research focus); over time state support has shrunk, and student tuition increased, such that today it approaches a 50/50 ratio (arguing in favor of parity emphasis with teaching). See Figure 8 here.
Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.
– Dan Romik
1 hour ago
@DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.
– Daniel R. Collins
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I will argue that research is the primary job that most salaried professors get paid to do. From Wikipedia: Professor:
Professors often conduct original research and commonly teach
undergraduate, professional and postgraduate courses in their fields
of expertise.
Note that "research" is listed first. From an excellent page by Mark Tomforde, University of Houston, "Job Responsibilities of Professors":
In the UH math department, the responsibilities of a typical tenured
or tenure-track faculty member are usually allocated as 40% Research,
40% Teaching, and 20% Service.
Note that research is again listed first. (The approximate allocation matches what I've heard expressed many times, in many places.) Steven Krantz in How to Teach Mathematics (Ch. 6) quotes the Chair of the University of Chicago Mathematics Department, welcoming a new faculty member in the 1960s:
Remember: Our job is proving theorems.
At my institution, faculty promotion is officially based on the standard triad (research, teaching, and service); but I've been told by those involved that in practice, it really just boils down to number of research publications (justified by the fact that research publications are easier to identify and count than quality teaching or service).
One might argue philosophically that the "emphasis" of faculty work derives from the funding source. Traditionally most funding in the U.S. came from state governments (arguing in favor of a research focus); over time state support has shrunk, and student tuition increased, such that today it approaches a 50/50 ratio (arguing in favor of parity emphasis with teaching). See Figure 8 here.
Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.
– Dan Romik
1 hour ago
@DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.
– Daniel R. Collins
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I will argue that research is the primary job that most salaried professors get paid to do. From Wikipedia: Professor:
Professors often conduct original research and commonly teach
undergraduate, professional and postgraduate courses in their fields
of expertise.
Note that "research" is listed first. From an excellent page by Mark Tomforde, University of Houston, "Job Responsibilities of Professors":
In the UH math department, the responsibilities of a typical tenured
or tenure-track faculty member are usually allocated as 40% Research,
40% Teaching, and 20% Service.
Note that research is again listed first. (The approximate allocation matches what I've heard expressed many times, in many places.) Steven Krantz in How to Teach Mathematics (Ch. 6) quotes the Chair of the University of Chicago Mathematics Department, welcoming a new faculty member in the 1960s:
Remember: Our job is proving theorems.
At my institution, faculty promotion is officially based on the standard triad (research, teaching, and service); but I've been told by those involved that in practice, it really just boils down to number of research publications (justified by the fact that research publications are easier to identify and count than quality teaching or service).
One might argue philosophically that the "emphasis" of faculty work derives from the funding source. Traditionally most funding in the U.S. came from state governments (arguing in favor of a research focus); over time state support has shrunk, and student tuition increased, such that today it approaches a 50/50 ratio (arguing in favor of parity emphasis with teaching). See Figure 8 here.
I will argue that research is the primary job that most salaried professors get paid to do. From Wikipedia: Professor:
Professors often conduct original research and commonly teach
undergraduate, professional and postgraduate courses in their fields
of expertise.
Note that "research" is listed first. From an excellent page by Mark Tomforde, University of Houston, "Job Responsibilities of Professors":
In the UH math department, the responsibilities of a typical tenured
or tenure-track faculty member are usually allocated as 40% Research,
40% Teaching, and 20% Service.
Note that research is again listed first. (The approximate allocation matches what I've heard expressed many times, in many places.) Steven Krantz in How to Teach Mathematics (Ch. 6) quotes the Chair of the University of Chicago Mathematics Department, welcoming a new faculty member in the 1960s:
Remember: Our job is proving theorems.
At my institution, faculty promotion is officially based on the standard triad (research, teaching, and service); but I've been told by those involved that in practice, it really just boils down to number of research publications (justified by the fact that research publications are easier to identify and count than quality teaching or service).
One might argue philosophically that the "emphasis" of faculty work derives from the funding source. Traditionally most funding in the U.S. came from state governments (arguing in favor of a research focus); over time state support has shrunk, and student tuition increased, such that today it approaches a 50/50 ratio (arguing in favor of parity emphasis with teaching). See Figure 8 here.
answered 3 hours ago
Daniel R. CollinsDaniel R. Collins
18.8k6 gold badges49 silver badges78 bronze badges
18.8k6 gold badges49 silver badges78 bronze badges
Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.
– Dan Romik
1 hour ago
@DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.
– Daniel R. Collins
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.
– Dan Romik
1 hour ago
@DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.
– Daniel R. Collins
1 hour ago
Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.
– Dan Romik
1 hour ago
Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.
– Dan Romik
1 hour ago
@DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.
– Daniel R. Collins
1 hour ago
@DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.
– Daniel R. Collins
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Aleksandr is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Aleksandr is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Aleksandr is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Aleksandr is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks for contributing an answer to Academia Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2facademia.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f133089%2fhow-are-mathematicians-paid-to-do-research%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
5
Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.
– Jon Custer
8 hours ago
1
You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?
– Aleksandr
8 hours ago
2
Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.
– Buffy
6 hours ago