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How are (pure) mathematicians paid to do research? Let's say my interests lie in the foundations of mathematics and I want to do research in that area. How am I going to get paid for that in the traditional context of academia?










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    Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.

    – Jon Custer
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    You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...

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  • So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?

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    Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.

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    You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...

    – Solar Mike
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  • So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?

    – Aleksandr
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    Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.

    – Buffy
    6 hours ago














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  • 5





    Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.

    – Jon Custer
    8 hours ago






  • 1





    You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...

    – Solar Mike
    8 hours ago











  • So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?

    – Aleksandr
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.

    – Buffy
    6 hours ago













  • 5





    Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.

    – Jon Custer
    8 hours ago






  • 1





    You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...

    – Solar Mike
    8 hours ago











  • So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?

    – Aleksandr
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.

    – Buffy
    6 hours ago








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Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.

– Jon Custer
8 hours ago





Become a professor and perhaps find some grant money if needed.

– Jon Custer
8 hours ago




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You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...

– Solar Mike
8 hours ago





You have to find funding... the research is the easy bit...

– Solar Mike
8 hours ago













So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?

– Aleksandr
8 hours ago





So, usually mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living?

– Aleksandr
8 hours ago




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Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.

– Buffy
6 hours ago






Not exactly "research on the side". At some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct in some sense.

– Buffy
6 hours ago











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99% of long-term positions that involve being paid to do research in pure math are tenure track faculty positions, colloquially known as professorships (in the US, they follow the progression Assistant Professor -> Associate Professor -> Professor). A professor is paid to teach, do research, and to a lesser extent, to do a variety of other vaguely related things that are discussed in many places on this website and elsewhere.



Professors teach and do research. It is not true that (quoting from one of the comments) “mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living”. It is also not true that (quoting from another comment) “at some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct”. Perhaps some professors have the mindset that their job is “mainly” about one or the other thing, but that’s simply a matter of personal perception rather than an objective truth. The objective truth is that professors teach and do research, and are paid to do those two things. Nothing is “on the side” or is “the main job”.



It is also not the case that (as seems to be implied by another answer) all math professors have, or need, grant funding to do their work. Grant funding is good to have, and getting it is both a catalyst for and a side-effect of career success. It can also give your salary a modest boost. But most of the funding doesn’t go directly into your pocket, and there are plenty of math professors who have steady employment and do quite well in their research without having it.



Finally, there is a very small number of mathematicians who have permanent, full time positions doing only research. Examples of places where such positions exist are the Institute of Advanced Study, and Microsoft Research. Those positions are very prestigious and rare, so hoping to land one of them is not a viable career plan.






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    This funding comes from two main sources:



    1. Employment, e.g. by getting a professorship somewhere. This means a steady salary. Note professorships aren't just teaching duties - professors are also expected to output research, mentor PhD students who output research, and so on (see this recent question for what happens to "unproductive" professors).

    2. Grant funding. You write proposals to whoever is funding mathematics research (e.g. the NSA if you're in the US). You tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to do it, how much money you'll need, etc. If they approve of your proposal then they send you money to do the research.





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      With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.

      – Buffy
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      Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...

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    • @zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.

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    I will argue that research is the primary job that most salaried professors get paid to do. From Wikipedia: Professor:




    Professors often conduct original research and commonly teach
    undergraduate, professional and postgraduate courses in their fields
    of expertise.




    Note that "research" is listed first. From an excellent page by Mark Tomforde, University of Houston, "Job Responsibilities of Professors":




    In the UH math department, the responsibilities of a typical tenured
    or tenure-track faculty member are usually allocated as 40% Research,
    40% Teaching, and 20% Service.




    Note that research is again listed first. (The approximate allocation matches what I've heard expressed many times, in many places.) Steven Krantz in How to Teach Mathematics (Ch. 6) quotes the Chair of the University of Chicago Mathematics Department, welcoming a new faculty member in the 1960s:




    Remember: Our job is proving theorems.




    At my institution, faculty promotion is officially based on the standard triad (research, teaching, and service); but I've been told by those involved that in practice, it really just boils down to number of research publications (justified by the fact that research publications are easier to identify and count than quality teaching or service).



    One might argue philosophically that the "emphasis" of faculty work derives from the funding source. Traditionally most funding in the U.S. came from state governments (arguing in favor of a research focus); over time state support has shrunk, and student tuition increased, such that today it approaches a 50/50 ratio (arguing in favor of parity emphasis with teaching). See Figure 8 here.






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    • Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.

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    • @DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.

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    99% of long-term positions that involve being paid to do research in pure math are tenure track faculty positions, colloquially known as professorships (in the US, they follow the progression Assistant Professor -> Associate Professor -> Professor). A professor is paid to teach, do research, and to a lesser extent, to do a variety of other vaguely related things that are discussed in many places on this website and elsewhere.



    Professors teach and do research. It is not true that (quoting from one of the comments) “mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living”. It is also not true that (quoting from another comment) “at some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct”. Perhaps some professors have the mindset that their job is “mainly” about one or the other thing, but that’s simply a matter of personal perception rather than an objective truth. The objective truth is that professors teach and do research, and are paid to do those two things. Nothing is “on the side” or is “the main job”.



    It is also not the case that (as seems to be implied by another answer) all math professors have, or need, grant funding to do their work. Grant funding is good to have, and getting it is both a catalyst for and a side-effect of career success. It can also give your salary a modest boost. But most of the funding doesn’t go directly into your pocket, and there are plenty of math professors who have steady employment and do quite well in their research without having it.



    Finally, there is a very small number of mathematicians who have permanent, full time positions doing only research. Examples of places where such positions exist are the Institute of Advanced Study, and Microsoft Research. Those positions are very prestigious and rare, so hoping to land one of them is not a viable career plan.






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      99% of long-term positions that involve being paid to do research in pure math are tenure track faculty positions, colloquially known as professorships (in the US, they follow the progression Assistant Professor -> Associate Professor -> Professor). A professor is paid to teach, do research, and to a lesser extent, to do a variety of other vaguely related things that are discussed in many places on this website and elsewhere.



      Professors teach and do research. It is not true that (quoting from one of the comments) “mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living”. It is also not true that (quoting from another comment) “at some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct”. Perhaps some professors have the mindset that their job is “mainly” about one or the other thing, but that’s simply a matter of personal perception rather than an objective truth. The objective truth is that professors teach and do research, and are paid to do those two things. Nothing is “on the side” or is “the main job”.



      It is also not the case that (as seems to be implied by another answer) all math professors have, or need, grant funding to do their work. Grant funding is good to have, and getting it is both a catalyst for and a side-effect of career success. It can also give your salary a modest boost. But most of the funding doesn’t go directly into your pocket, and there are plenty of math professors who have steady employment and do quite well in their research without having it.



      Finally, there is a very small number of mathematicians who have permanent, full time positions doing only research. Examples of places where such positions exist are the Institute of Advanced Study, and Microsoft Research. Those positions are very prestigious and rare, so hoping to land one of them is not a viable career plan.






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        99% of long-term positions that involve being paid to do research in pure math are tenure track faculty positions, colloquially known as professorships (in the US, they follow the progression Assistant Professor -> Associate Professor -> Professor). A professor is paid to teach, do research, and to a lesser extent, to do a variety of other vaguely related things that are discussed in many places on this website and elsewhere.



        Professors teach and do research. It is not true that (quoting from one of the comments) “mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living”. It is also not true that (quoting from another comment) “at some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct”. Perhaps some professors have the mindset that their job is “mainly” about one or the other thing, but that’s simply a matter of personal perception rather than an objective truth. The objective truth is that professors teach and do research, and are paid to do those two things. Nothing is “on the side” or is “the main job”.



        It is also not the case that (as seems to be implied by another answer) all math professors have, or need, grant funding to do their work. Grant funding is good to have, and getting it is both a catalyst for and a side-effect of career success. It can also give your salary a modest boost. But most of the funding doesn’t go directly into your pocket, and there are plenty of math professors who have steady employment and do quite well in their research without having it.



        Finally, there is a very small number of mathematicians who have permanent, full time positions doing only research. Examples of places where such positions exist are the Institute of Advanced Study, and Microsoft Research. Those positions are very prestigious and rare, so hoping to land one of them is not a viable career plan.






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        99% of long-term positions that involve being paid to do research in pure math are tenure track faculty positions, colloquially known as professorships (in the US, they follow the progression Assistant Professor -> Associate Professor -> Professor). A professor is paid to teach, do research, and to a lesser extent, to do a variety of other vaguely related things that are discussed in many places on this website and elsewhere.



        Professors teach and do research. It is not true that (quoting from one of the comments) “mathematicians are not paid to do research, but instead do research on the side and teach to make a living”. It is also not true that (quoting from another comment) “at some universities, research is the main job and teaching is a necessary byproduct”. Perhaps some professors have the mindset that their job is “mainly” about one or the other thing, but that’s simply a matter of personal perception rather than an objective truth. The objective truth is that professors teach and do research, and are paid to do those two things. Nothing is “on the side” or is “the main job”.



        It is also not the case that (as seems to be implied by another answer) all math professors have, or need, grant funding to do their work. Grant funding is good to have, and getting it is both a catalyst for and a side-effect of career success. It can also give your salary a modest boost. But most of the funding doesn’t go directly into your pocket, and there are plenty of math professors who have steady employment and do quite well in their research without having it.



        Finally, there is a very small number of mathematicians who have permanent, full time positions doing only research. Examples of places where such positions exist are the Institute of Advanced Study, and Microsoft Research. Those positions are very prestigious and rare, so hoping to land one of them is not a viable career plan.







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            This funding comes from two main sources:



            1. Employment, e.g. by getting a professorship somewhere. This means a steady salary. Note professorships aren't just teaching duties - professors are also expected to output research, mentor PhD students who output research, and so on (see this recent question for what happens to "unproductive" professors).

            2. Grant funding. You write proposals to whoever is funding mathematics research (e.g. the NSA if you're in the US). You tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to do it, how much money you'll need, etc. If they approve of your proposal then they send you money to do the research.





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              With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.

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              Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...

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            • @zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.

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            This funding comes from two main sources:



            1. Employment, e.g. by getting a professorship somewhere. This means a steady salary. Note professorships aren't just teaching duties - professors are also expected to output research, mentor PhD students who output research, and so on (see this recent question for what happens to "unproductive" professors).

            2. Grant funding. You write proposals to whoever is funding mathematics research (e.g. the NSA if you're in the US). You tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to do it, how much money you'll need, etc. If they approve of your proposal then they send you money to do the research.





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              With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.

              – Buffy
              6 hours ago






            • 4





              Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...

              – zibadawa timmy
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            • @zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.

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            This funding comes from two main sources:



            1. Employment, e.g. by getting a professorship somewhere. This means a steady salary. Note professorships aren't just teaching duties - professors are also expected to output research, mentor PhD students who output research, and so on (see this recent question for what happens to "unproductive" professors).

            2. Grant funding. You write proposals to whoever is funding mathematics research (e.g. the NSA if you're in the US). You tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to do it, how much money you'll need, etc. If they approve of your proposal then they send you money to do the research.





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            This funding comes from two main sources:



            1. Employment, e.g. by getting a professorship somewhere. This means a steady salary. Note professorships aren't just teaching duties - professors are also expected to output research, mentor PhD students who output research, and so on (see this recent question for what happens to "unproductive" professors).

            2. Grant funding. You write proposals to whoever is funding mathematics research (e.g. the NSA if you're in the US). You tell them what you intend to do, how you intend to do it, how much money you'll need, etc. If they approve of your proposal then they send you money to do the research.






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              With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.

              – Buffy
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              Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...

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            • @zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.

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              With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.

              – Buffy
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            • 4





              Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...

              – zibadawa timmy
              6 hours ago











            • @zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.

              – A Simple Algorithm
              3 hours ago








            1




            1





            With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.

            – Buffy
            6 hours ago





            With #1 by far as the more common option. And if you have such a position you can also (should also) seek grant funding, maybe to support students.

            – Buffy
            6 hours ago




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            Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...

            – zibadawa timmy
            6 hours ago





            Probably worth noting that #2 often requires #1 in the US, since most of the grant agencies must abide by certain federal laws which require you to abide by certain federal laws, and demonstrate compliance with in some fashion. As such most of them won't just hand over funds to an independent researcher, instead requiring there be some sort of office that insures your compliance with the laws and terms who will then handle disbursement of funds. Indeed, I'm not aware of any source of grant funding in the US that doesn't require this. MacArthur Grant maybe? But you don't apply for that...

            – zibadawa timmy
            6 hours ago













            @zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.

            – A Simple Algorithm
            3 hours ago






            @zibadawatimmy It is straightforward in the US for an individual to start a sole proprietorship or corporation and get it registered with the govt then apply for grants such as SBIR's (where phase 2 can be $1M+). I'm not really aware of whether there's barriers for small business for more standard research-oriented grants, but at least registration and compliance regarding funds isn't a problem in principle.

            – A Simple Algorithm
            3 hours ago












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            I will argue that research is the primary job that most salaried professors get paid to do. From Wikipedia: Professor:




            Professors often conduct original research and commonly teach
            undergraduate, professional and postgraduate courses in their fields
            of expertise.




            Note that "research" is listed first. From an excellent page by Mark Tomforde, University of Houston, "Job Responsibilities of Professors":




            In the UH math department, the responsibilities of a typical tenured
            or tenure-track faculty member are usually allocated as 40% Research,
            40% Teaching, and 20% Service.




            Note that research is again listed first. (The approximate allocation matches what I've heard expressed many times, in many places.) Steven Krantz in How to Teach Mathematics (Ch. 6) quotes the Chair of the University of Chicago Mathematics Department, welcoming a new faculty member in the 1960s:




            Remember: Our job is proving theorems.




            At my institution, faculty promotion is officially based on the standard triad (research, teaching, and service); but I've been told by those involved that in practice, it really just boils down to number of research publications (justified by the fact that research publications are easier to identify and count than quality teaching or service).



            One might argue philosophically that the "emphasis" of faculty work derives from the funding source. Traditionally most funding in the U.S. came from state governments (arguing in favor of a research focus); over time state support has shrunk, and student tuition increased, such that today it approaches a 50/50 ratio (arguing in favor of parity emphasis with teaching). See Figure 8 here.






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            • Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.

              – Dan Romik
              1 hour ago











            • @DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.

              – Daniel R. Collins
              1 hour ago















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            I will argue that research is the primary job that most salaried professors get paid to do. From Wikipedia: Professor:




            Professors often conduct original research and commonly teach
            undergraduate, professional and postgraduate courses in their fields
            of expertise.




            Note that "research" is listed first. From an excellent page by Mark Tomforde, University of Houston, "Job Responsibilities of Professors":




            In the UH math department, the responsibilities of a typical tenured
            or tenure-track faculty member are usually allocated as 40% Research,
            40% Teaching, and 20% Service.




            Note that research is again listed first. (The approximate allocation matches what I've heard expressed many times, in many places.) Steven Krantz in How to Teach Mathematics (Ch. 6) quotes the Chair of the University of Chicago Mathematics Department, welcoming a new faculty member in the 1960s:




            Remember: Our job is proving theorems.




            At my institution, faculty promotion is officially based on the standard triad (research, teaching, and service); but I've been told by those involved that in practice, it really just boils down to number of research publications (justified by the fact that research publications are easier to identify and count than quality teaching or service).



            One might argue philosophically that the "emphasis" of faculty work derives from the funding source. Traditionally most funding in the U.S. came from state governments (arguing in favor of a research focus); over time state support has shrunk, and student tuition increased, such that today it approaches a 50/50 ratio (arguing in favor of parity emphasis with teaching). See Figure 8 here.






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            • Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.

              – Dan Romik
              1 hour ago











            • @DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.

              – Daniel R. Collins
              1 hour ago













            -1












            -1








            -1







            I will argue that research is the primary job that most salaried professors get paid to do. From Wikipedia: Professor:




            Professors often conduct original research and commonly teach
            undergraduate, professional and postgraduate courses in their fields
            of expertise.




            Note that "research" is listed first. From an excellent page by Mark Tomforde, University of Houston, "Job Responsibilities of Professors":




            In the UH math department, the responsibilities of a typical tenured
            or tenure-track faculty member are usually allocated as 40% Research,
            40% Teaching, and 20% Service.




            Note that research is again listed first. (The approximate allocation matches what I've heard expressed many times, in many places.) Steven Krantz in How to Teach Mathematics (Ch. 6) quotes the Chair of the University of Chicago Mathematics Department, welcoming a new faculty member in the 1960s:




            Remember: Our job is proving theorems.




            At my institution, faculty promotion is officially based on the standard triad (research, teaching, and service); but I've been told by those involved that in practice, it really just boils down to number of research publications (justified by the fact that research publications are easier to identify and count than quality teaching or service).



            One might argue philosophically that the "emphasis" of faculty work derives from the funding source. Traditionally most funding in the U.S. came from state governments (arguing in favor of a research focus); over time state support has shrunk, and student tuition increased, such that today it approaches a 50/50 ratio (arguing in favor of parity emphasis with teaching). See Figure 8 here.






            share|improve this answer













            I will argue that research is the primary job that most salaried professors get paid to do. From Wikipedia: Professor:




            Professors often conduct original research and commonly teach
            undergraduate, professional and postgraduate courses in their fields
            of expertise.




            Note that "research" is listed first. From an excellent page by Mark Tomforde, University of Houston, "Job Responsibilities of Professors":




            In the UH math department, the responsibilities of a typical tenured
            or tenure-track faculty member are usually allocated as 40% Research,
            40% Teaching, and 20% Service.




            Note that research is again listed first. (The approximate allocation matches what I've heard expressed many times, in many places.) Steven Krantz in How to Teach Mathematics (Ch. 6) quotes the Chair of the University of Chicago Mathematics Department, welcoming a new faculty member in the 1960s:




            Remember: Our job is proving theorems.




            At my institution, faculty promotion is officially based on the standard triad (research, teaching, and service); but I've been told by those involved that in practice, it really just boils down to number of research publications (justified by the fact that research publications are easier to identify and count than quality teaching or service).



            One might argue philosophically that the "emphasis" of faculty work derives from the funding source. Traditionally most funding in the U.S. came from state governments (arguing in favor of a research focus); over time state support has shrunk, and student tuition increased, such that today it approaches a 50/50 ratio (arguing in favor of parity emphasis with teaching). See Figure 8 here.







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            • Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.

              – Dan Romik
              1 hour ago











            • @DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.

              – Daniel R. Collins
              1 hour ago

















            • Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.

              – Dan Romik
              1 hour ago











            • @DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.

              – Daniel R. Collins
              1 hour ago
















            Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.

            – Dan Romik
            1 hour ago





            Can you please define what it means for research to be the “primary” job? It seems like a meaningless statement to me. Cherry-picking quotes from some guy in the 1960s has zero supportive value for your argument (I could easily make up a quote by myself saying “our job is teaching” - actually I don’t need to, you can simply quote from my answer above). And the statistically meaningless fact that when two words are mentioned together one of them has to come first isn’t very convincing either.

            – Dan Romik
            1 hour ago













            @DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.

            – Daniel R. Collins
            1 hour ago





            @DanRomik: The quote you're nitpicking on is the keystone of a whole chapter in a major AMS publication. You can't seriously think that a self-made quote would count as a citation for a counter-argument.

            – Daniel R. Collins
            1 hour ago










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