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I'm making a prototype based on the W7500P reference design, the latest version (updated 6 months ago) specifies the need for a Power over Reset IC.
I do not understand the point of this component over more traditional resets, and I'm questioning wether or not it is necessary to include this.
The WizWiki W7500P developement board (made by the same company) does not include this component.
Here is the reference design :
microcontroller integrated-circuit schematics
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I'm making a prototype based on the W7500P reference design, the latest version (updated 6 months ago) specifies the need for a Power over Reset IC.
I do not understand the point of this component over more traditional resets, and I'm questioning wether or not it is necessary to include this.
The WizWiki W7500P developement board (made by the same company) does not include this component.
Here is the reference design :
microcontroller integrated-circuit schematics
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How do you define "traditional reset", just an RC, or an RC with a schmitt trigger? How well behaved is your power-on ramp? A POR IC will handle slow ramps better and will handle brownouts.
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I'm making a prototype based on the W7500P reference design, the latest version (updated 6 months ago) specifies the need for a Power over Reset IC.
I do not understand the point of this component over more traditional resets, and I'm questioning wether or not it is necessary to include this.
The WizWiki W7500P developement board (made by the same company) does not include this component.
Here is the reference design :
microcontroller integrated-circuit schematics
asked 8 hours ago
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I'm making a prototype based on the W7500P reference design, the latest version (updated 6 months ago) specifies the need for a Power over Reset IC.
I do not understand the point of this component over more traditional resets, and I'm questioning wether or not it is necessary to include this.
The WizWiki W7500P developement board (made by the same company) does not include this component.
Here is the reference design :
microcontroller integrated-circuit schematics
microcontroller integrated-circuit schematics
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How do you define "traditional reset", just an RC, or an RC with a schmitt trigger? How well behaved is your power-on ramp? A POR IC will handle slow ramps better and will handle brownouts.
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How do you define "traditional reset", just an RC, or an RC with a schmitt trigger? How well behaved is your power-on ramp? A POR IC will handle slow ramps better and will handle brownouts.
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How do you define "traditional reset", just an RC, or an RC with a schmitt trigger? How well behaved is your power-on ramp? A POR IC will handle slow ramps better and will handle brownouts.
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How do you define "traditional reset", just an RC, or an RC with a schmitt trigger? How well behaved is your power-on ramp? A POR IC will handle slow ramps better and will handle brownouts.
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Power-on detectors (also: brownout detectors) check whether the supply voltage has been stable within a certain range over a certain amount of time and let go of the reset line only when that happened.
The problem with unstable power is complex ICs fail partly, so while e.g. an internal EEPROM holding calibration data may only return garbage, the CPU already or still runs with that, now garbage, data.
Whether you need something like this depends on how reliable your device needs to be. If it's interactive so the user can check for unintended behaviour, you probably don't need it. If the device is expected to run unattended, you certainly need such a detector.
Some µCs have this function already built-in.
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A POR chip usually contains a voltage reference, precision comparator, threshold-setting resistors, and an output pulse former (monostable). It is designed to operate on very low voltages, even though the trip point might be up around 3 v or 5 V. The one on your schematic includes an input for a manual reset switch.
The idea here is that as the system power rail ramps up from 0 V to 3.3 V or whatever, the POR chip wakes up first and holds the uC reset input in the reset state until after the power rail is up to full voltage and has stabilized. Also, if the system power dips below the threshold value it forces a reset.
It is up to you to decide if you need all of these features or protection.
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The W7500P reference design is a standalone implementation. As such it is unknown what will be driving the board (MCU choice). In this case it is prudent to provide a good level detector for Power On Reset to ensure the reset state of the device when power is applied or during power failure/return.
The WiZWiki-7600P development board has a MANUAL reset switch (Sheet2-D1) which assumes human presence to reset the device should it fail to initialize.
While perhaps acceptable for a development board this is not adequate for a finished product expected to reset gracefully and predictably for power on or power failure.
If you have an MCU with POR detection built in, or added to it, you can use this to reset your WizNet 7500, but you should ensure predictable reset conditions for you product.
There are a plethora of PMIC power supervisors to chose from, do yourself a favor and put one on your board. Many of these POR supervisors are SOT23 packages, so at the very minimum you should layout one on your board even if it's a DNP placeholder.
Be careful during part selection that some are active pullup and some are open Collector/Drain outputs.
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Power-on detectors (also: brownout detectors) check whether the supply voltage has been stable within a certain range over a certain amount of time and let go of the reset line only when that happened.
The problem with unstable power is complex ICs fail partly, so while e.g. an internal EEPROM holding calibration data may only return garbage, the CPU already or still runs with that, now garbage, data.
Whether you need something like this depends on how reliable your device needs to be. If it's interactive so the user can check for unintended behaviour, you probably don't need it. If the device is expected to run unattended, you certainly need such a detector.
Some µCs have this function already built-in.
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Power-on detectors (also: brownout detectors) check whether the supply voltage has been stable within a certain range over a certain amount of time and let go of the reset line only when that happened.
The problem with unstable power is complex ICs fail partly, so while e.g. an internal EEPROM holding calibration data may only return garbage, the CPU already or still runs with that, now garbage, data.
Whether you need something like this depends on how reliable your device needs to be. If it's interactive so the user can check for unintended behaviour, you probably don't need it. If the device is expected to run unattended, you certainly need such a detector.
Some µCs have this function already built-in.
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Power-on detectors (also: brownout detectors) check whether the supply voltage has been stable within a certain range over a certain amount of time and let go of the reset line only when that happened.
The problem with unstable power is complex ICs fail partly, so while e.g. an internal EEPROM holding calibration data may only return garbage, the CPU already or still runs with that, now garbage, data.
Whether you need something like this depends on how reliable your device needs to be. If it's interactive so the user can check for unintended behaviour, you probably don't need it. If the device is expected to run unattended, you certainly need such a detector.
Some µCs have this function already built-in.
answered 8 hours ago
JankaJanka
9,0701921
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Power-on detectors (also: brownout detectors) check whether the supply voltage has been stable within a certain range over a certain amount of time and let go of the reset line only when that happened.
The problem with unstable power is complex ICs fail partly, so while e.g. an internal EEPROM holding calibration data may only return garbage, the CPU already or still runs with that, now garbage, data.
Whether you need something like this depends on how reliable your device needs to be. If it's interactive so the user can check for unintended behaviour, you probably don't need it. If the device is expected to run unattended, you certainly need such a detector.
Some µCs have this function already built-in.
answered 8 hours ago
JankaJanka
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answered 8 hours ago
JankaJanka
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answered 8 hours ago
JankaJanka
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A POR chip usually contains a voltage reference, precision comparator, threshold-setting resistors, and an output pulse former (monostable). It is designed to operate on very low voltages, even though the trip point might be up around 3 v or 5 V. The one on your schematic includes an input for a manual reset switch.
The idea here is that as the system power rail ramps up from 0 V to 3.3 V or whatever, the POR chip wakes up first and holds the uC reset input in the reset state until after the power rail is up to full voltage and has stabilized. Also, if the system power dips below the threshold value it forces a reset.
It is up to you to decide if you need all of these features or protection.
answered 8 hours ago
AnalogKidAnalogKid
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A POR chip usually contains a voltage reference, precision comparator, threshold-setting resistors, and an output pulse former (monostable). It is designed to operate on very low voltages, even though the trip point might be up around 3 v or 5 V. The one on your schematic includes an input for a manual reset switch.
The idea here is that as the system power rail ramps up from 0 V to 3.3 V or whatever, the POR chip wakes up first and holds the uC reset input in the reset state until after the power rail is up to full voltage and has stabilized. Also, if the system power dips below the threshold value it forces a reset.
It is up to you to decide if you need all of these features or protection.
answered 8 hours ago
AnalogKidAnalogKid
3,09337
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
A POR chip usually contains a voltage reference, precision comparator, threshold-setting resistors, and an output pulse former (monostable). It is designed to operate on very low voltages, even though the trip point might be up around 3 v or 5 V. The one on your schematic includes an input for a manual reset switch.
The idea here is that as the system power rail ramps up from 0 V to 3.3 V or whatever, the POR chip wakes up first and holds the uC reset input in the reset state until after the power rail is up to full voltage and has stabilized. Also, if the system power dips below the threshold value it forces a reset.
It is up to you to decide if you need all of these features or protection.
answered 8 hours ago
AnalogKidAnalogKid
3,09337
$endgroup$
A POR chip usually contains a voltage reference, precision comparator, threshold-setting resistors, and an output pulse former (monostable). It is designed to operate on very low voltages, even though the trip point might be up around 3 v or 5 V. The one on your schematic includes an input for a manual reset switch.
The idea here is that as the system power rail ramps up from 0 V to 3.3 V or whatever, the POR chip wakes up first and holds the uC reset input in the reset state until after the power rail is up to full voltage and has stabilized. Also, if the system power dips below the threshold value it forces a reset.
It is up to you to decide if you need all of these features or protection.
answered 8 hours ago
AnalogKidAnalogKid
3,09337
answered 8 hours ago
AnalogKidAnalogKid
3,09337
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AnalogKidAnalogKid
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The W7500P reference design is a standalone implementation. As such it is unknown what will be driving the board (MCU choice). In this case it is prudent to provide a good level detector for Power On Reset to ensure the reset state of the device when power is applied or during power failure/return.
The WiZWiki-7600P development board has a MANUAL reset switch (Sheet2-D1) which assumes human presence to reset the device should it fail to initialize.
While perhaps acceptable for a development board this is not adequate for a finished product expected to reset gracefully and predictably for power on or power failure.
If you have an MCU with POR detection built in, or added to it, you can use this to reset your WizNet 7500, but you should ensure predictable reset conditions for you product.
There are a plethora of PMIC power supervisors to chose from, do yourself a favor and put one on your board. Many of these POR supervisors are SOT23 packages, so at the very minimum you should layout one on your board even if it's a DNP placeholder.
Be careful during part selection that some are active pullup and some are open Collector/Drain outputs.
answered 8 hours ago
Jack CreaseyJack Creasey
16.1k2824
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The W7500P reference design is a standalone implementation. As such it is unknown what will be driving the board (MCU choice). In this case it is prudent to provide a good level detector for Power On Reset to ensure the reset state of the device when power is applied or during power failure/return.
The WiZWiki-7600P development board has a MANUAL reset switch (Sheet2-D1) which assumes human presence to reset the device should it fail to initialize.
While perhaps acceptable for a development board this is not adequate for a finished product expected to reset gracefully and predictably for power on or power failure.
If you have an MCU with POR detection built in, or added to it, you can use this to reset your WizNet 7500, but you should ensure predictable reset conditions for you product.
There are a plethora of PMIC power supervisors to chose from, do yourself a favor and put one on your board. Many of these POR supervisors are SOT23 packages, so at the very minimum you should layout one on your board even if it's a DNP placeholder.
Be careful during part selection that some are active pullup and some are open Collector/Drain outputs.
answered 8 hours ago
Jack CreaseyJack Creasey
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The W7500P reference design is a standalone implementation. As such it is unknown what will be driving the board (MCU choice). In this case it is prudent to provide a good level detector for Power On Reset to ensure the reset state of the device when power is applied or during power failure/return.
The WiZWiki-7600P development board has a MANUAL reset switch (Sheet2-D1) which assumes human presence to reset the device should it fail to initialize.
While perhaps acceptable for a development board this is not adequate for a finished product expected to reset gracefully and predictably for power on or power failure.
If you have an MCU with POR detection built in, or added to it, you can use this to reset your WizNet 7500, but you should ensure predictable reset conditions for you product.
There are a plethora of PMIC power supervisors to chose from, do yourself a favor and put one on your board. Many of these POR supervisors are SOT23 packages, so at the very minimum you should layout one on your board even if it's a DNP placeholder.
Be careful during part selection that some are active pullup and some are open Collector/Drain outputs.
answered 8 hours ago
Jack CreaseyJack Creasey
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The W7500P reference design is a standalone implementation. As such it is unknown what will be driving the board (MCU choice). In this case it is prudent to provide a good level detector for Power On Reset to ensure the reset state of the device when power is applied or during power failure/return.
The WiZWiki-7600P development board has a MANUAL reset switch (Sheet2-D1) which assumes human presence to reset the device should it fail to initialize.
While perhaps acceptable for a development board this is not adequate for a finished product expected to reset gracefully and predictably for power on or power failure.
If you have an MCU with POR detection built in, or added to it, you can use this to reset your WizNet 7500, but you should ensure predictable reset conditions for you product.
There are a plethora of PMIC power supervisors to chose from, do yourself a favor and put one on your board. Many of these POR supervisors are SOT23 packages, so at the very minimum you should layout one on your board even if it's a DNP placeholder.
Be careful during part selection that some are active pullup and some are open Collector/Drain outputs.
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Jack CreaseyJack Creasey
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How do you define "traditional reset", just an RC, or an RC with a schmitt trigger? How well behaved is your power-on ramp? A POR IC will handle slow ramps better and will handle brownouts.
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