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Does every locally compact connected homogeneous metric space admit a vertex-transitive 'grid'?


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This is a followup to this easier version of this question on MSE, which Lee Mosher answered in the positive in the special case that $X$ is a hyperbolic space. It's also vaguely related to this question.



Suppose that $(X,d)$ is a locally compact connected homogeneous metric space, where by homogeneous I mean that for any $x_0,x_1 in X$ there exists an isometry $f:Xrightarrow X$ such that $f(x_0)=x_1$. Does there always exist a set $Ysubseteq X$ with the following properties?




  • $Y$ is uniformly discrete, i.e. there is an $varepsilon > 0$ such that for any distinct $x,yin Y$, $d(x,y) > varepsilon$.


  • $Y$ uniformly compactly covers $X$, i.e. for some $x in Y$ there is a compact set $K ni x$ such that translates of $K$ under $f in mathrmAut(X) : f(Y) = Y$ cover all of $X$.


  • $Y$ is vertex-transitive, i.e. for any $x,yin Y$ there is a isometry $f:X rightarrow X$ such that $y=f(x)$ and $f(Y)=Y$.

EDIT: I realized I hadn't captured what I wanted with the second bullet point.










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    Your assumptions are equivalent to that there exists a cocompact lattice in the isometry group of $X$. (The setwise-stabilizer of $Y$ in $Isom(X)$.) This is already false for some 3-dimensional homogeneous manifolds (solvable simply connected Lie groups).
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This is a followup to this easier version of this question on MSE, which Lee Mosher answered in the positive in the special case that $X$ is a hyperbolic space. It's also vaguely related to this question.



Suppose that $(X,d)$ is a locally compact connected homogeneous metric space, where by homogeneous I mean that for any $x_0,x_1 in X$ there exists an isometry $f:Xrightarrow X$ such that $f(x_0)=x_1$. Does there always exist a set $Ysubseteq X$ with the following properties?




  • $Y$ is uniformly discrete, i.e. there is an $varepsilon > 0$ such that for any distinct $x,yin Y$, $d(x,y) > varepsilon$.


  • $Y$ uniformly compactly covers $X$, i.e. for some $x in Y$ there is a compact set $K ni x$ such that translates of $K$ under $f in mathrmAut(X) : f(Y) = Y$ cover all of $X$.


  • $Y$ is vertex-transitive, i.e. for any $x,yin Y$ there is a isometry $f:X rightarrow X$ such that $y=f(x)$ and $f(Y)=Y$.

EDIT: I realized I hadn't captured what I wanted with the second bullet point.










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    Your assumptions are equivalent to that there exists a cocompact lattice in the isometry group of $X$. (The setwise-stabilizer of $Y$ in $Isom(X)$.) This is already false for some 3-dimensional homogeneous manifolds (solvable simply connected Lie groups).
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$begingroup$


This is a followup to this easier version of this question on MSE, which Lee Mosher answered in the positive in the special case that $X$ is a hyperbolic space. It's also vaguely related to this question.



Suppose that $(X,d)$ is a locally compact connected homogeneous metric space, where by homogeneous I mean that for any $x_0,x_1 in X$ there exists an isometry $f:Xrightarrow X$ such that $f(x_0)=x_1$. Does there always exist a set $Ysubseteq X$ with the following properties?




  • $Y$ is uniformly discrete, i.e. there is an $varepsilon > 0$ such that for any distinct $x,yin Y$, $d(x,y) > varepsilon$.


  • $Y$ uniformly compactly covers $X$, i.e. for some $x in Y$ there is a compact set $K ni x$ such that translates of $K$ under $f in mathrmAut(X) : f(Y) = Y$ cover all of $X$.


  • $Y$ is vertex-transitive, i.e. for any $x,yin Y$ there is a isometry $f:X rightarrow X$ such that $y=f(x)$ and $f(Y)=Y$.

EDIT: I realized I hadn't captured what I wanted with the second bullet point.










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This is a followup to this easier version of this question on MSE, which Lee Mosher answered in the positive in the special case that $X$ is a hyperbolic space. It's also vaguely related to this question.



Suppose that $(X,d)$ is a locally compact connected homogeneous metric space, where by homogeneous I mean that for any $x_0,x_1 in X$ there exists an isometry $f:Xrightarrow X$ such that $f(x_0)=x_1$. Does there always exist a set $Ysubseteq X$ with the following properties?




  • $Y$ is uniformly discrete, i.e. there is an $varepsilon > 0$ such that for any distinct $x,yin Y$, $d(x,y) > varepsilon$.


  • $Y$ uniformly compactly covers $X$, i.e. for some $x in Y$ there is a compact set $K ni x$ such that translates of $K$ under $f in mathrmAut(X) : f(Y) = Y$ cover all of $X$.


  • $Y$ is vertex-transitive, i.e. for any $x,yin Y$ there is a isometry $f:X rightarrow X$ such that $y=f(x)$ and $f(Y)=Y$.

EDIT: I realized I hadn't captured what I wanted with the second bullet point.







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    Your assumptions are equivalent to that there exists a cocompact lattice in the isometry group of $X$. (The setwise-stabilizer of $Y$ in $Isom(X)$.) This is already false for some 3-dimensional homogeneous manifolds (solvable simply connected Lie groups).
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    Your assumptions are equivalent to that there exists a cocompact lattice in the isometry group of $X$. (The setwise-stabilizer of $Y$ in $Isom(X)$.) This is already false for some 3-dimensional homogeneous manifolds (solvable simply connected Lie groups).
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Your assumptions are equivalent to that there exists a cocompact lattice in the isometry group of $X$. (The setwise-stabilizer of $Y$ in $Isom(X)$.) This is already false for some 3-dimensional homogeneous manifolds (solvable simply connected Lie groups).
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Your assumptions are equivalent to that there exists a cocompact lattice in the isometry group of $X$. (The setwise-stabilizer of $Y$ in $Isom(X)$.) This is already false for some 3-dimensional homogeneous manifolds (solvable simply connected Lie groups).
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The answer is no. A quick answer can be done as follows:



(1) Pansu proved (1989) that two Carnot Lie groups are quasi-isometric if and only if they are isomorphic.



(2) There exists continuum many non-isomorphic 7-dimensional Carnot Lie groups.



If $Y$ is a proper, uniformly discrete and isometry-transitive metric space, then $Y$ is QI to its isometry group $G$, which is locally compact. Assuming it QI to a nilpotent Lie group in addition implies (by results of Gromov/Losert/Trofimov) that $G$, modulo a compact normal subgroup, is discrete and virtually nilpotent. There are only countably many QI classes. Hence at least one of the examples in (2) yields (for every choice of left-invariant Riemannian metric) a negative answer to your question.



There is an alternative using hyperbolicity rather polynomial growth, consisting of a continuum family of negatively curved homogeneous 3-folds. That they're not QI is also a result of Pansu. That a totally locally compact group QI to it has to be compact-by-discrete is an immediate consequence of the 2-dimensional Hilbert-Smith conjecture (which is an old theorem).






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    I have a question regarding the sentence"If $Y$ is proper, uniformly discrete...". Is this a fact about Carnot Lie groups, Lie groups in general, homogeneous manifolds in general, or locally compact homogeneous metric spaces in general?
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The answer is no. A quick answer can be done as follows:



(1) Pansu proved (1989) that two Carnot Lie groups are quasi-isometric if and only if they are isomorphic.



(2) There exists continuum many non-isomorphic 7-dimensional Carnot Lie groups.



If $Y$ is a proper, uniformly discrete and isometry-transitive metric space, then $Y$ is QI to its isometry group $G$, which is locally compact. Assuming it QI to a nilpotent Lie group in addition implies (by results of Gromov/Losert/Trofimov) that $G$, modulo a compact normal subgroup, is discrete and virtually nilpotent. There are only countably many QI classes. Hence at least one of the examples in (2) yields (for every choice of left-invariant Riemannian metric) a negative answer to your question.



There is an alternative using hyperbolicity rather polynomial growth, consisting of a continuum family of negatively curved homogeneous 3-folds. That they're not QI is also a result of Pansu. That a totally locally compact group QI to it has to be compact-by-discrete is an immediate consequence of the 2-dimensional Hilbert-Smith conjecture (which is an old theorem).






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    I have a question regarding the sentence"If $Y$ is proper, uniformly discrete...". Is this a fact about Carnot Lie groups, Lie groups in general, homogeneous manifolds in general, or locally compact homogeneous metric spaces in general?
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The answer is no. A quick answer can be done as follows:



(1) Pansu proved (1989) that two Carnot Lie groups are quasi-isometric if and only if they are isomorphic.



(2) There exists continuum many non-isomorphic 7-dimensional Carnot Lie groups.



If $Y$ is a proper, uniformly discrete and isometry-transitive metric space, then $Y$ is QI to its isometry group $G$, which is locally compact. Assuming it QI to a nilpotent Lie group in addition implies (by results of Gromov/Losert/Trofimov) that $G$, modulo a compact normal subgroup, is discrete and virtually nilpotent. There are only countably many QI classes. Hence at least one of the examples in (2) yields (for every choice of left-invariant Riemannian metric) a negative answer to your question.



There is an alternative using hyperbolicity rather polynomial growth, consisting of a continuum family of negatively curved homogeneous 3-folds. That they're not QI is also a result of Pansu. That a totally locally compact group QI to it has to be compact-by-discrete is an immediate consequence of the 2-dimensional Hilbert-Smith conjecture (which is an old theorem).






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  • $begingroup$
    I have a question regarding the sentence"If $Y$ is proper, uniformly discrete...". Is this a fact about Carnot Lie groups, Lie groups in general, homogeneous manifolds in general, or locally compact homogeneous metric spaces in general?
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The answer is no. A quick answer can be done as follows:



(1) Pansu proved (1989) that two Carnot Lie groups are quasi-isometric if and only if they are isomorphic.



(2) There exists continuum many non-isomorphic 7-dimensional Carnot Lie groups.



If $Y$ is a proper, uniformly discrete and isometry-transitive metric space, then $Y$ is QI to its isometry group $G$, which is locally compact. Assuming it QI to a nilpotent Lie group in addition implies (by results of Gromov/Losert/Trofimov) that $G$, modulo a compact normal subgroup, is discrete and virtually nilpotent. There are only countably many QI classes. Hence at least one of the examples in (2) yields (for every choice of left-invariant Riemannian metric) a negative answer to your question.



There is an alternative using hyperbolicity rather polynomial growth, consisting of a continuum family of negatively curved homogeneous 3-folds. That they're not QI is also a result of Pansu. That a totally locally compact group QI to it has to be compact-by-discrete is an immediate consequence of the 2-dimensional Hilbert-Smith conjecture (which is an old theorem).






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The answer is no. A quick answer can be done as follows:



(1) Pansu proved (1989) that two Carnot Lie groups are quasi-isometric if and only if they are isomorphic.



(2) There exists continuum many non-isomorphic 7-dimensional Carnot Lie groups.



If $Y$ is a proper, uniformly discrete and isometry-transitive metric space, then $Y$ is QI to its isometry group $G$, which is locally compact. Assuming it QI to a nilpotent Lie group in addition implies (by results of Gromov/Losert/Trofimov) that $G$, modulo a compact normal subgroup, is discrete and virtually nilpotent. There are only countably many QI classes. Hence at least one of the examples in (2) yields (for every choice of left-invariant Riemannian metric) a negative answer to your question.



There is an alternative using hyperbolicity rather polynomial growth, consisting of a continuum family of negatively curved homogeneous 3-folds. That they're not QI is also a result of Pansu. That a totally locally compact group QI to it has to be compact-by-discrete is an immediate consequence of the 2-dimensional Hilbert-Smith conjecture (which is an old theorem).







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    I have a question regarding the sentence"If $Y$ is proper, uniformly discrete...". Is this a fact about Carnot Lie groups, Lie groups in general, homogeneous manifolds in general, or locally compact homogeneous metric spaces in general?
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    – James Hanson
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    I have a question regarding the sentence"If $Y$ is proper, uniformly discrete...". Is this a fact about Carnot Lie groups, Lie groups in general, homogeneous manifolds in general, or locally compact homogeneous metric spaces in general?
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    – James Hanson
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    Changed "it's" to "$Y$". It's about arbitrary metric spaces.
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I have a question regarding the sentence"If $Y$ is proper, uniformly discrete...". Is this a fact about Carnot Lie groups, Lie groups in general, homogeneous manifolds in general, or locally compact homogeneous metric spaces in general?
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I have a question regarding the sentence"If $Y$ is proper, uniformly discrete...". Is this a fact about Carnot Lie groups, Lie groups in general, homogeneous manifolds in general, or locally compact homogeneous metric spaces in general?
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Changed "it's" to "$Y$". It's about arbitrary metric spaces.
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