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I have a European passport which is currently valid (born in Europe) and a US passport (parents are American) which expired a while back (issued before I turned 16). Because of this I don't think I can "renew" as one normally would -- I would need to make a new passport application.
Issue: I need to make a business trip to the US in 7 weeks; I first thought an ESTA would do fine (and I suppose I technically could, if I did not mention during my trip that I am a US citizen), but it seems clear that legally, I need to enter/leave the US with a US passport if I'm a citizen.
What is my best course of action here? If the trip were in 3 months I would obviously get a new passport, but this is a tighter time frame, and I also need to provide my passport details to the agency with which I work for booking travel.
Any help would be appreciated.
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I have a European passport which is currently valid (born in Europe) and a US passport (parents are American) which expired a while back (issued before I turned 16). Because of this I don't think I can "renew" as one normally would -- I would need to make a new passport application.
Issue: I need to make a business trip to the US in 7 weeks; I first thought an ESTA would do fine (and I suppose I technically could, if I did not mention during my trip that I am a US citizen), but it seems clear that legally, I need to enter/leave the US with a US passport if I'm a citizen.
What is my best course of action here? If the trip were in 3 months I would obviously get a new passport, but this is a tighter time frame, and I also need to provide my passport details to the agency with which I work for booking travel.
Any help would be appreciated.
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why bother telling the airline about the US passport, do they care which document you use? then tell the us about the expired passport at customs. does the person at the customs checkpoint know what document the airline used? do they care?
– Sam
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I have a European passport which is currently valid (born in Europe) and a US passport (parents are American) which expired a while back (issued before I turned 16). Because of this I don't think I can "renew" as one normally would -- I would need to make a new passport application.
Issue: I need to make a business trip to the US in 7 weeks; I first thought an ESTA would do fine (and I suppose I technically could, if I did not mention during my trip that I am a US citizen), but it seems clear that legally, I need to enter/leave the US with a US passport if I'm a citizen.
What is my best course of action here? If the trip were in 3 months I would obviously get a new passport, but this is a tighter time frame, and I also need to provide my passport details to the agency with which I work for booking travel.
Any help would be appreciated.
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I have a European passport which is currently valid (born in Europe) and a US passport (parents are American) which expired a while back (issued before I turned 16). Because of this I don't think I can "renew" as one normally would -- I would need to make a new passport application.
Issue: I need to make a business trip to the US in 7 weeks; I first thought an ESTA would do fine (and I suppose I technically could, if I did not mention during my trip that I am a US citizen), but it seems clear that legally, I need to enter/leave the US with a US passport if I'm a citizen.
What is my best course of action here? If the trip were in 3 months I would obviously get a new passport, but this is a tighter time frame, and I also need to provide my passport details to the agency with which I work for booking travel.
Any help would be appreciated.
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why bother telling the airline about the US passport, do they care which document you use? then tell the us about the expired passport at customs. does the person at the customs checkpoint know what document the airline used? do they care?
– Sam
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why bother telling the airline about the US passport, do they care which document you use? then tell the us about the expired passport at customs. does the person at the customs checkpoint know what document the airline used? do they care?
– Sam
31 mins ago
why bother telling the airline about the US passport, do they care which document you use? then tell the us about the expired passport at customs. does the person at the customs checkpoint know what document the airline used? do they care?
– Sam
31 mins ago
why bother telling the airline about the US passport, do they care which document you use? then tell the us about the expired passport at customs. does the person at the customs checkpoint know what document the airline used? do they care?
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7 weeks should be enough time for a new passport. I would suggest you contact your local US consulate immediately and get the process started, letting them know of your time constraint. There are likely to be ways to expedite the process if necessary, but I don't think it will be necessary.
As for the agency, I would just explain to them that you have applied for a new passport and you will give them its number as soon as you get it. There should not be any real need to have this information until you actually check in for your flight.
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I just checked the processing times for a US passport application at a few embassies:
- London, approximately four weeks (faster service at consulates general)
- Warsaw, five to ten business days
- Prague, eight to ten business days
- Rome, approximately three weeks
Wherever you are, seven weeks is more than enough time.
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While indeed there's enough time for a passport, since we are a QA site let's review whether flying with this combo is feasible. The problem is not the border because citizens are let in one way or another and an expired passport is enough to prove citizenship, the problem is at check in. The question is whether airline would let them check in with a valid passport to prove who they are and an expired passport proving citizenship. Airlines are required to fill APIS data for everyone departing to the USA (and AFAIK APIS shows them whether a passport has ESTA or not) and the eAPIS portal does support entering two documents:
There are some rare instances where a traveler may choose to have two travel documents
submitted (most likely an alien registration card number and a passport) on his/her behalf.
When a traveler has an alien registration card number, it must be submitted as the primary
travel document.
source and the same PDF details validation elements and it would seem it's possible to enter an expired document, only the well formedness of the data is validated. I do not know whether the version used by airlines support the same. Contacting the CBP is in order, I will do so and report back.
Here's a worksheet from that PDF showing two documents:
answered 9 hours ago
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You had me at "the problem is at check-in".
– Harper
9 hours ago
I doubt the system would authorize boarding a passenger with an expired US passport because that would violate 8 USC 1185(b). Also I've read the APIS documentation and if I recall correctly the secondary document cannot be another passport; it has to be a visa or green card or the like. I well check later if I have time.
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7 weeks should be enough time for a new passport. I would suggest you contact your local US consulate immediately and get the process started, letting them know of your time constraint. There are likely to be ways to expedite the process if necessary, but I don't think it will be necessary.
As for the agency, I would just explain to them that you have applied for a new passport and you will give them its number as soon as you get it. There should not be any real need to have this information until you actually check in for your flight.
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7 weeks should be enough time for a new passport. I would suggest you contact your local US consulate immediately and get the process started, letting them know of your time constraint. There are likely to be ways to expedite the process if necessary, but I don't think it will be necessary.
As for the agency, I would just explain to them that you have applied for a new passport and you will give them its number as soon as you get it. There should not be any real need to have this information until you actually check in for your flight.
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7 weeks should be enough time for a new passport. I would suggest you contact your local US consulate immediately and get the process started, letting them know of your time constraint. There are likely to be ways to expedite the process if necessary, but I don't think it will be necessary.
As for the agency, I would just explain to them that you have applied for a new passport and you will give them its number as soon as you get it. There should not be any real need to have this information until you actually check in for your flight.
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7 weeks should be enough time for a new passport. I would suggest you contact your local US consulate immediately and get the process started, letting them know of your time constraint. There are likely to be ways to expedite the process if necessary, but I don't think it will be necessary.
As for the agency, I would just explain to them that you have applied for a new passport and you will give them its number as soon as you get it. There should not be any real need to have this information until you actually check in for your flight.
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I just checked the processing times for a US passport application at a few embassies:
- London, approximately four weeks (faster service at consulates general)
- Warsaw, five to ten business days
- Prague, eight to ten business days
- Rome, approximately three weeks
Wherever you are, seven weeks is more than enough time.
answered 9 hours ago
phoogphoog
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I just checked the processing times for a US passport application at a few embassies:
- London, approximately four weeks (faster service at consulates general)
- Warsaw, five to ten business days
- Prague, eight to ten business days
- Rome, approximately three weeks
Wherever you are, seven weeks is more than enough time.
answered 9 hours ago
phoogphoog
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I just checked the processing times for a US passport application at a few embassies:
- London, approximately four weeks (faster service at consulates general)
- Warsaw, five to ten business days
- Prague, eight to ten business days
- Rome, approximately three weeks
Wherever you are, seven weeks is more than enough time.
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I just checked the processing times for a US passport application at a few embassies:
- London, approximately four weeks (faster service at consulates general)
- Warsaw, five to ten business days
- Prague, eight to ten business days
- Rome, approximately three weeks
Wherever you are, seven weeks is more than enough time.
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While indeed there's enough time for a passport, since we are a QA site let's review whether flying with this combo is feasible. The problem is not the border because citizens are let in one way or another and an expired passport is enough to prove citizenship, the problem is at check in. The question is whether airline would let them check in with a valid passport to prove who they are and an expired passport proving citizenship. Airlines are required to fill APIS data for everyone departing to the USA (and AFAIK APIS shows them whether a passport has ESTA or not) and the eAPIS portal does support entering two documents:
There are some rare instances where a traveler may choose to have two travel documents
submitted (most likely an alien registration card number and a passport) on his/her behalf.
When a traveler has an alien registration card number, it must be submitted as the primary
travel document.
source and the same PDF details validation elements and it would seem it's possible to enter an expired document, only the well formedness of the data is validated. I do not know whether the version used by airlines support the same. Contacting the CBP is in order, I will do so and report back.
Here's a worksheet from that PDF showing two documents:
answered 9 hours ago
chxchx
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You had me at "the problem is at check-in".
– Harper
9 hours ago
I doubt the system would authorize boarding a passenger with an expired US passport because that would violate 8 USC 1185(b). Also I've read the APIS documentation and if I recall correctly the secondary document cannot be another passport; it has to be a visa or green card or the like. I well check later if I have time.
– phoog
9 hours ago
add a comment |
While indeed there's enough time for a passport, since we are a QA site let's review whether flying with this combo is feasible. The problem is not the border because citizens are let in one way or another and an expired passport is enough to prove citizenship, the problem is at check in. The question is whether airline would let them check in with a valid passport to prove who they are and an expired passport proving citizenship. Airlines are required to fill APIS data for everyone departing to the USA (and AFAIK APIS shows them whether a passport has ESTA or not) and the eAPIS portal does support entering two documents:
There are some rare instances where a traveler may choose to have two travel documents
submitted (most likely an alien registration card number and a passport) on his/her behalf.
When a traveler has an alien registration card number, it must be submitted as the primary
travel document.
source and the same PDF details validation elements and it would seem it's possible to enter an expired document, only the well formedness of the data is validated. I do not know whether the version used by airlines support the same. Contacting the CBP is in order, I will do so and report back.
Here's a worksheet from that PDF showing two documents:
answered 9 hours ago
chxchx
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You had me at "the problem is at check-in".
– Harper
9 hours ago
I doubt the system would authorize boarding a passenger with an expired US passport because that would violate 8 USC 1185(b). Also I've read the APIS documentation and if I recall correctly the secondary document cannot be another passport; it has to be a visa or green card or the like. I well check later if I have time.
– phoog
9 hours ago
add a comment |
While indeed there's enough time for a passport, since we are a QA site let's review whether flying with this combo is feasible. The problem is not the border because citizens are let in one way or another and an expired passport is enough to prove citizenship, the problem is at check in. The question is whether airline would let them check in with a valid passport to prove who they are and an expired passport proving citizenship. Airlines are required to fill APIS data for everyone departing to the USA (and AFAIK APIS shows them whether a passport has ESTA or not) and the eAPIS portal does support entering two documents:
There are some rare instances where a traveler may choose to have two travel documents
submitted (most likely an alien registration card number and a passport) on his/her behalf.
When a traveler has an alien registration card number, it must be submitted as the primary
travel document.
source and the same PDF details validation elements and it would seem it's possible to enter an expired document, only the well formedness of the data is validated. I do not know whether the version used by airlines support the same. Contacting the CBP is in order, I will do so and report back.
Here's a worksheet from that PDF showing two documents:
answered 9 hours ago
chxchx
43.1k5 gold badges96 silver badges215 bronze badges
While indeed there's enough time for a passport, since we are a QA site let's review whether flying with this combo is feasible. The problem is not the border because citizens are let in one way or another and an expired passport is enough to prove citizenship, the problem is at check in. The question is whether airline would let them check in with a valid passport to prove who they are and an expired passport proving citizenship. Airlines are required to fill APIS data for everyone departing to the USA (and AFAIK APIS shows them whether a passport has ESTA or not) and the eAPIS portal does support entering two documents:
There are some rare instances where a traveler may choose to have two travel documents
submitted (most likely an alien registration card number and a passport) on his/her behalf.
When a traveler has an alien registration card number, it must be submitted as the primary
travel document.
source and the same PDF details validation elements and it would seem it's possible to enter an expired document, only the well formedness of the data is validated. I do not know whether the version used by airlines support the same. Contacting the CBP is in order, I will do so and report back.
Here's a worksheet from that PDF showing two documents:
answered 9 hours ago
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You had me at "the problem is at check-in".
– Harper
9 hours ago
I doubt the system would authorize boarding a passenger with an expired US passport because that would violate 8 USC 1185(b). Also I've read the APIS documentation and if I recall correctly the secondary document cannot be another passport; it has to be a visa or green card or the like. I well check later if I have time.
– phoog
9 hours ago
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You had me at "the problem is at check-in".
– Harper
9 hours ago
I doubt the system would authorize boarding a passenger with an expired US passport because that would violate 8 USC 1185(b). Also I've read the APIS documentation and if I recall correctly the secondary document cannot be another passport; it has to be a visa or green card or the like. I well check later if I have time.
– phoog
9 hours ago
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You had me at "the problem is at check-in".
– Harper
9 hours ago
You had me at "the problem is at check-in".
– Harper
9 hours ago
I doubt the system would authorize boarding a passenger with an expired US passport because that would violate 8 USC 1185(b). Also I've read the APIS documentation and if I recall correctly the secondary document cannot be another passport; it has to be a visa or green card or the like. I well check later if I have time.
– phoog
9 hours ago
I doubt the system would authorize boarding a passenger with an expired US passport because that would violate 8 USC 1185(b). Also I've read the APIS documentation and if I recall correctly the secondary document cannot be another passport; it has to be a visa or green card or the like. I well check later if I have time.
– phoog
9 hours ago
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why bother telling the airline about the US passport, do they care which document you use? then tell the us about the expired passport at customs. does the person at the customs checkpoint know what document the airline used? do they care?
– Sam
31 mins ago