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In my quantum mechanics notes, my teacher described the complex conjugate and transpose of a linear operator X as "with respect to an orthogonal basis." What does it mean to take a transpose or complex conjugate "with respect to a basis?" I also remember him saying that if you take the complex conjugate or transpose with respect to another basis, the result would be different. Why would that be the case, and can you provide an example in which it is true?










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          In a vector space over the field of complex numbers the notion of complex conjugation is basis dependent. You might say a vector is "real" if its components in some basis are real numbers, but if you change to another basis and the matrix expressing the new basis in terms of the old has complex entries then the "real" vector will have complex components in the new basis. Similarly, the notion of complex conjugation will change. To define "complex conjugation" in a basis independent fashion you need to select a set of basis vectors that you declare to be real. The technical way this is done is by intriducing a real structure on the space. This is an antilinear map $R:Vto V$ such that $R^2=$ Identity. Antilinear means that $R(lambda bf x)= lambda^* R(bf x)$. A "real"" vector is then one that is left unchanged by the map $R$.



          More important is the concept of "hermitian conjugation, that, when the operator $M$ is representated by a matrix
          in an orthonormal basis
          $$
          langle bf e_i, bf e_jrangle= delta_ij
          $$

          by
          $$
          M (bf e_i) = bf e_j M^j_i,
          $$

          then the matrix representing $M^dagger$ is given by tranposing and complex conjugating the entries in $M^i_j$. In a general basis, where
          $$
          langle bf e_i, bf e_jrangle= g_ij, quad g_ij= g_ji^*
          $$



          however,
          you need the full definition
          $$
          langle M^dagger bf x,bf yrangle= langlebf x,Mbf yrangle
          $$

          so
          $$
          (M^dagger)^i_j = (g_jkM^k_l g^li)^*
          $$

          where $g^ijg_jk= delta^i_j$. It is important to to realize that Hermitian conjugation depends on the choice of inner product on your vector space.






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            In my mind, what it means is that, to take the complex conjugate or transpose of a linear operator, it first has to be expressed as a matrix. Expressing it as a matrix means that you have to choose a particular orthogonal basis.



            It seems a bit confusing to me, because any matrix operator (apart from the identity matrix) expressed in (or translated to) a different basis is going to be different anyway, regardless of whether you then choose to take the transpose or complex conjugate.



            So, the transpose/complex conjugate part to me seems irrelevant. Any matrix operator is defined with respect to a particular orthogonal basis, and if it is changed to another basis, the matrix (as in, the grid array of numbers) will be different.






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              When you translate the matrix back to a map, that map will be different, depending on the basis you chose. That is not true if you consider e.g. the dagger operation.
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              @NorbertSchuch sorry, I don't quite follow. What do mean by 'map'?
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              I don't know why this answer is getting upvoted - it is dead wrong. Yes, obviously the matrix representation of a given linear transformation will depend on the basis in which it is represented, but this is not the issue here. The transpose, complex conjugation and hermitian conjugation (the combination of the first two) are all defined in terms of a given matrix representation, but the hermitian conjugate has the property that it commutes with (orthonormal) changes of basis, which means that it doesn't matter what basis you do it in, and (cont)
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              the dagger operation on the 'abstract' transformation can be defined without saying what basis of be taken for the transpose + complex conjugate. This is not the case for the bare transpose or the bare complex conjugation, which is the real issue in this thread. This answer completely misses the point, and it should either be completely overhauled or removed.
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            Here's a simple example, to supplement the good answers that have already been posted.



            Consider a $2$-dimensional Hilbert space $mathcalH$ over the complex numbers. Let $|0rangle$ and $|1rangle$ be two orthonormal elements (vectors) in $mathcalH$, and consider the linear operator $Z$ defined by
            $$
            Z|0rangle = |0rangle
            hskip2cm
            Z|1rangle = -|1rangle.
            tag1
            $$

            In the orthonormal basis
            $$
            |arangle := frac0rangle+isqrt2
            hskip2cm
            |brangle := frac0rangle+sqrt2,
            tag2
            $$

            the same linear operator $Z$ is given by
            $$
            Z|arangle = -i|brangle
            hskip2cm
            Z|brangle = i|arangle.
            tag3
            $$

            Both bases are perfectly legitimate, and indeed there would have been no reason to prefer one over the other before seeing the definition of $Z$. So... what is the complex conjugate of $Z$?



            To define the complex conjugate $Z^*$ of $Z$, we need to specify a basis. In the basis (1), we have $Z^*=Z$. In the basis (3), we have $Z^*=-Z$.



            The adjoint $Z^dagger$ of a linear operator $Z$ is defined so that
            $$
            langle A|Z^dagger|Brangle = big(langle B|Z|Aranglebig)^*
            tag4
            $$

            for all $|Arangle,|BrangleinmathcalH$. The adjoint is defined independently of any specific basis. The adjoint of $Z$ is $Z^dagger = Z$, no matter what basis we use.



            Beware that the adjoint $Z^dagger$ is usually denoted $Z^*$ by mathematicians. That's because the adjoint is the natural (basis-independent) generalization of the concept of complex conjugation. The complex conjugate of a matrix is not natural, because it depends on which matrix representation is used, as illustrated above.






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              Given a matrix $M$ (=written in some basis). Now imagine you want to rewrite it in a different basis. The basis transformation is given by a unitary matrix $U$.



              In the new basis, the matrix reads $M'=UMU^dagger$. The transpose of $M'$ is then
              $$
              (M')^T = (UMU^dagger)^T = U^* M^T U^T .
              $$

              On the other hand, if you first transpose the matrix and then change the basis, you obtain
              $$
              UM^T U^dagger .
              $$

              In general, these will be two different matrices (in fact, they differ by a basis change $U^*U^-1$).



              The situation is different if you for instance consider the hermitian conjugate $M^dagger$, as you can easily check.






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                Consider a linear operator $A$ on a complex Hilbert space, which we can take as two-dimensional for simplicity, and start off by considering its hermitian conjugate $B=A^dagger$, which we define as the complex conjugate of the transpose on a given orthonormal basis $beta$. Thus, if the operator $A$ has a matrix representation
                $$[A]_beta=beginpmatrix a & b \ c & dendpmatrix$$
                on the basis $beta$, we're defining $B$ to have the matrix representation
                $$[B]_beta=beginpmatrix a^* & c^* \ b^* & d^*endpmatrix$$
                on that same basis.



                Now consider what happens if we look at the matrix representations of these two operators on some different basis $gamma$: then we know that the transformed representation of $B$ is given by a matrix-equivalence relationship of the form
                $$ [B]_gamma = U^-1 [B]_beta U,$$
                where $U$ is the basis-change matrix, and we also know that if $gamma$ is also orthonormal then $U^-1 = U^dagger$, so that
                $$ [B]_gamma = U^dagger [B]_beta U = U^dagger [A]_beta^dagger U.$$
                since we know that $[B]_beta = [A]_beta^dagger$, by definition. Now consider what happens when we take the matrix representation of $A$ on the basis $gamma$, $[A]_gamma = U^dagger [A]_beta U$, and we take its matrix hermitian conjugate, using the known behaviour of the matrix transpose for matrix products and the trivial behaviour of the complex conjugate:
                $$
                [A]_gamma^dagger = left(U^dagger [A]_beta Uright)^dagger = U^dagger [A]_beta^dagger U = [B]_gamma.
                $$

                See what happened? The definition of $boldsymbolB = A^dagger$, initially made in a given orthonormal basis, holds in any orthonormal basis we care to take, or in other words the relationship $B = A^dagger$ is basis independent: it holds at an operator level, and we don't need to specify what basis should be taken for the conjugate-transpose to be calculated.



                (Moreover: the fact that this operation, which we defined in terms of a matrix representation in a given basis, does not actually depend on the basis chosen, tells us that there is likely to be a nicer, basis-independent way to define the hermitian conjugate of any abstract linear operator. This is indeed the case $-$ it's the inner-product-based definition which uses the relationship $langle A^dagger u, v rangle = langle u, Avrangle$ for arbitrary $u,v$.)




                The point that your instructor is making about the matrix transpose and the complex conjugate is that this basis independence property is not true for either of them.



                To show that this is the case, a single counter-example is sufficient, so take
                $$[A]_beta=beginpmatrix 0 & i \ -i & 0endpmatrix$$
                as the matrix representation of your operator, and
                $$
                U = frac1sqrt2beginpmatrix 1 & i \ 1 & -iendpmatrix
                $$

                as your basis-change matrix. Then it is trivial to verify that
                $$
                [A]_gamma = U^dagger [A]_beta U = beginpmatrix -1 & 0 \ 0 & 1endpmatrix
                $$

                is the matrix representation of $A$ in the new basis, and while both the transpose and the complex conjugate leave the matrix representation $[A]_gamma$ untouched in the new basis,
                $$
                [A]_gamma ^T = [A]_gamma ^* = [A]_gamma,
                $$

                they both change its sign in the old matrix,
                $$
                [A]_beta^T = [A]_beta^* = -[A]_beta,
                $$

                so neither operation can be performed without specifying what basis it should be done in.



                (Also, this bears emphasizing: the example above is completely generic, and there is only a thin sliver of examples of operators $A$ and basis transformations $U$ which preserve the matrix transpose. Basically any example you take, so long as you're careful not to make it too simple, will show the behaviour above.)






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                  In a vector space over the field of complex numbers the notion of complex conjugation is basis dependent. You might say a vector is "real" if its components in some basis are real numbers, but if you change to another basis and the matrix expressing the new basis in terms of the old has complex entries then the "real" vector will have complex components in the new basis. Similarly, the notion of complex conjugation will change. To define "complex conjugation" in a basis independent fashion you need to select a set of basis vectors that you declare to be real. The technical way this is done is by intriducing a real structure on the space. This is an antilinear map $R:Vto V$ such that $R^2=$ Identity. Antilinear means that $R(lambda bf x)= lambda^* R(bf x)$. A "real"" vector is then one that is left unchanged by the map $R$.



                  More important is the concept of "hermitian conjugation, that, when the operator $M$ is representated by a matrix
                  in an orthonormal basis
                  $$
                  langle bf e_i, bf e_jrangle= delta_ij
                  $$

                  by
                  $$
                  M (bf e_i) = bf e_j M^j_i,
                  $$

                  then the matrix representing $M^dagger$ is given by tranposing and complex conjugating the entries in $M^i_j$. In a general basis, where
                  $$
                  langle bf e_i, bf e_jrangle= g_ij, quad g_ij= g_ji^*
                  $$



                  however,
                  you need the full definition
                  $$
                  langle M^dagger bf x,bf yrangle= langlebf x,Mbf yrangle
                  $$

                  so
                  $$
                  (M^dagger)^i_j = (g_jkM^k_l g^li)^*
                  $$

                  where $g^ijg_jk= delta^i_j$. It is important to to realize that Hermitian conjugation depends on the choice of inner product on your vector space.






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                    In a vector space over the field of complex numbers the notion of complex conjugation is basis dependent. You might say a vector is "real" if its components in some basis are real numbers, but if you change to another basis and the matrix expressing the new basis in terms of the old has complex entries then the "real" vector will have complex components in the new basis. Similarly, the notion of complex conjugation will change. To define "complex conjugation" in a basis independent fashion you need to select a set of basis vectors that you declare to be real. The technical way this is done is by intriducing a real structure on the space. This is an antilinear map $R:Vto V$ such that $R^2=$ Identity. Antilinear means that $R(lambda bf x)= lambda^* R(bf x)$. A "real"" vector is then one that is left unchanged by the map $R$.



                    More important is the concept of "hermitian conjugation, that, when the operator $M$ is representated by a matrix
                    in an orthonormal basis
                    $$
                    langle bf e_i, bf e_jrangle= delta_ij
                    $$

                    by
                    $$
                    M (bf e_i) = bf e_j M^j_i,
                    $$

                    then the matrix representing $M^dagger$ is given by tranposing and complex conjugating the entries in $M^i_j$. In a general basis, where
                    $$
                    langle bf e_i, bf e_jrangle= g_ij, quad g_ij= g_ji^*
                    $$



                    however,
                    you need the full definition
                    $$
                    langle M^dagger bf x,bf yrangle= langlebf x,Mbf yrangle
                    $$

                    so
                    $$
                    (M^dagger)^i_j = (g_jkM^k_l g^li)^*
                    $$

                    where $g^ijg_jk= delta^i_j$. It is important to to realize that Hermitian conjugation depends on the choice of inner product on your vector space.






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                      In a vector space over the field of complex numbers the notion of complex conjugation is basis dependent. You might say a vector is "real" if its components in some basis are real numbers, but if you change to another basis and the matrix expressing the new basis in terms of the old has complex entries then the "real" vector will have complex components in the new basis. Similarly, the notion of complex conjugation will change. To define "complex conjugation" in a basis independent fashion you need to select a set of basis vectors that you declare to be real. The technical way this is done is by intriducing a real structure on the space. This is an antilinear map $R:Vto V$ such that $R^2=$ Identity. Antilinear means that $R(lambda bf x)= lambda^* R(bf x)$. A "real"" vector is then one that is left unchanged by the map $R$.



                      More important is the concept of "hermitian conjugation, that, when the operator $M$ is representated by a matrix
                      in an orthonormal basis
                      $$
                      langle bf e_i, bf e_jrangle= delta_ij
                      $$

                      by
                      $$
                      M (bf e_i) = bf e_j M^j_i,
                      $$

                      then the matrix representing $M^dagger$ is given by tranposing and complex conjugating the entries in $M^i_j$. In a general basis, where
                      $$
                      langle bf e_i, bf e_jrangle= g_ij, quad g_ij= g_ji^*
                      $$



                      however,
                      you need the full definition
                      $$
                      langle M^dagger bf x,bf yrangle= langlebf x,Mbf yrangle
                      $$

                      so
                      $$
                      (M^dagger)^i_j = (g_jkM^k_l g^li)^*
                      $$

                      where $g^ijg_jk= delta^i_j$. It is important to to realize that Hermitian conjugation depends on the choice of inner product on your vector space.






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                      In a vector space over the field of complex numbers the notion of complex conjugation is basis dependent. You might say a vector is "real" if its components in some basis are real numbers, but if you change to another basis and the matrix expressing the new basis in terms of the old has complex entries then the "real" vector will have complex components in the new basis. Similarly, the notion of complex conjugation will change. To define "complex conjugation" in a basis independent fashion you need to select a set of basis vectors that you declare to be real. The technical way this is done is by intriducing a real structure on the space. This is an antilinear map $R:Vto V$ such that $R^2=$ Identity. Antilinear means that $R(lambda bf x)= lambda^* R(bf x)$. A "real"" vector is then one that is left unchanged by the map $R$.



                      More important is the concept of "hermitian conjugation, that, when the operator $M$ is representated by a matrix
                      in an orthonormal basis
                      $$
                      langle bf e_i, bf e_jrangle= delta_ij
                      $$

                      by
                      $$
                      M (bf e_i) = bf e_j M^j_i,
                      $$

                      then the matrix representing $M^dagger$ is given by tranposing and complex conjugating the entries in $M^i_j$. In a general basis, where
                      $$
                      langle bf e_i, bf e_jrangle= g_ij, quad g_ij= g_ji^*
                      $$



                      however,
                      you need the full definition
                      $$
                      langle M^dagger bf x,bf yrangle= langlebf x,Mbf yrangle
                      $$

                      so
                      $$
                      (M^dagger)^i_j = (g_jkM^k_l g^li)^*
                      $$

                      where $g^ijg_jk= delta^i_j$. It is important to to realize that Hermitian conjugation depends on the choice of inner product on your vector space.







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                          In my mind, what it means is that, to take the complex conjugate or transpose of a linear operator, it first has to be expressed as a matrix. Expressing it as a matrix means that you have to choose a particular orthogonal basis.



                          It seems a bit confusing to me, because any matrix operator (apart from the identity matrix) expressed in (or translated to) a different basis is going to be different anyway, regardless of whether you then choose to take the transpose or complex conjugate.



                          So, the transpose/complex conjugate part to me seems irrelevant. Any matrix operator is defined with respect to a particular orthogonal basis, and if it is changed to another basis, the matrix (as in, the grid array of numbers) will be different.






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                            When you translate the matrix back to a map, that map will be different, depending on the basis you chose. That is not true if you consider e.g. the dagger operation.
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                            @NorbertSchuch sorry, I don't quite follow. What do mean by 'map'?
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                            I don't know why this answer is getting upvoted - it is dead wrong. Yes, obviously the matrix representation of a given linear transformation will depend on the basis in which it is represented, but this is not the issue here. The transpose, complex conjugation and hermitian conjugation (the combination of the first two) are all defined in terms of a given matrix representation, but the hermitian conjugate has the property that it commutes with (orthonormal) changes of basis, which means that it doesn't matter what basis you do it in, and (cont)
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                            the dagger operation on the 'abstract' transformation can be defined without saying what basis of be taken for the transpose + complex conjugate. This is not the case for the bare transpose or the bare complex conjugation, which is the real issue in this thread. This answer completely misses the point, and it should either be completely overhauled or removed.
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                          In my mind, what it means is that, to take the complex conjugate or transpose of a linear operator, it first has to be expressed as a matrix. Expressing it as a matrix means that you have to choose a particular orthogonal basis.



                          It seems a bit confusing to me, because any matrix operator (apart from the identity matrix) expressed in (or translated to) a different basis is going to be different anyway, regardless of whether you then choose to take the transpose or complex conjugate.



                          So, the transpose/complex conjugate part to me seems irrelevant. Any matrix operator is defined with respect to a particular orthogonal basis, and if it is changed to another basis, the matrix (as in, the grid array of numbers) will be different.






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                            When you translate the matrix back to a map, that map will be different, depending on the basis you chose. That is not true if you consider e.g. the dagger operation.
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                            @NorbertSchuch sorry, I don't quite follow. What do mean by 'map'?
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                            3 hours ago










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                            "Map" = "Linear Operator". For a map $M$, the map $M^dagger$ is basis-independent, but the map $M^T$ depends on the basis in which you define the transpose.
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                            I don't know why this answer is getting upvoted - it is dead wrong. Yes, obviously the matrix representation of a given linear transformation will depend on the basis in which it is represented, but this is not the issue here. The transpose, complex conjugation and hermitian conjugation (the combination of the first two) are all defined in terms of a given matrix representation, but the hermitian conjugate has the property that it commutes with (orthonormal) changes of basis, which means that it doesn't matter what basis you do it in, and (cont)
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                            the dagger operation on the 'abstract' transformation can be defined without saying what basis of be taken for the transpose + complex conjugate. This is not the case for the bare transpose or the bare complex conjugation, which is the real issue in this thread. This answer completely misses the point, and it should either be completely overhauled or removed.
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                          In my mind, what it means is that, to take the complex conjugate or transpose of a linear operator, it first has to be expressed as a matrix. Expressing it as a matrix means that you have to choose a particular orthogonal basis.



                          It seems a bit confusing to me, because any matrix operator (apart from the identity matrix) expressed in (or translated to) a different basis is going to be different anyway, regardless of whether you then choose to take the transpose or complex conjugate.



                          So, the transpose/complex conjugate part to me seems irrelevant. Any matrix operator is defined with respect to a particular orthogonal basis, and if it is changed to another basis, the matrix (as in, the grid array of numbers) will be different.






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                          In my mind, what it means is that, to take the complex conjugate or transpose of a linear operator, it first has to be expressed as a matrix. Expressing it as a matrix means that you have to choose a particular orthogonal basis.



                          It seems a bit confusing to me, because any matrix operator (apart from the identity matrix) expressed in (or translated to) a different basis is going to be different anyway, regardless of whether you then choose to take the transpose or complex conjugate.



                          So, the transpose/complex conjugate part to me seems irrelevant. Any matrix operator is defined with respect to a particular orthogonal basis, and if it is changed to another basis, the matrix (as in, the grid array of numbers) will be different.







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                            When you translate the matrix back to a map, that map will be different, depending on the basis you chose. That is not true if you consider e.g. the dagger operation.
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                            – Norbert Schuch
                            5 hours ago










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                            @NorbertSchuch sorry, I don't quite follow. What do mean by 'map'?
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                            3 hours ago










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                            "Map" = "Linear Operator". For a map $M$, the map $M^dagger$ is basis-independent, but the map $M^T$ depends on the basis in which you define the transpose.
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                            I don't know why this answer is getting upvoted - it is dead wrong. Yes, obviously the matrix representation of a given linear transformation will depend on the basis in which it is represented, but this is not the issue here. The transpose, complex conjugation and hermitian conjugation (the combination of the first two) are all defined in terms of a given matrix representation, but the hermitian conjugate has the property that it commutes with (orthonormal) changes of basis, which means that it doesn't matter what basis you do it in, and (cont)
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                            the dagger operation on the 'abstract' transformation can be defined without saying what basis of be taken for the transpose + complex conjugate. This is not the case for the bare transpose or the bare complex conjugation, which is the real issue in this thread. This answer completely misses the point, and it should either be completely overhauled or removed.
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                            When you translate the matrix back to a map, that map will be different, depending on the basis you chose. That is not true if you consider e.g. the dagger operation.
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                            – Norbert Schuch
                            5 hours ago










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                            @NorbertSchuch sorry, I don't quite follow. What do mean by 'map'?
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                            – Time4Tea
                            3 hours ago










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                            "Map" = "Linear Operator". For a map $M$, the map $M^dagger$ is basis-independent, but the map $M^T$ depends on the basis in which you define the transpose.
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                            I don't know why this answer is getting upvoted - it is dead wrong. Yes, obviously the matrix representation of a given linear transformation will depend on the basis in which it is represented, but this is not the issue here. The transpose, complex conjugation and hermitian conjugation (the combination of the first two) are all defined in terms of a given matrix representation, but the hermitian conjugate has the property that it commutes with (orthonormal) changes of basis, which means that it doesn't matter what basis you do it in, and (cont)
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                            – Emilio Pisanty
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                            the dagger operation on the 'abstract' transformation can be defined without saying what basis of be taken for the transpose + complex conjugate. This is not the case for the bare transpose or the bare complex conjugation, which is the real issue in this thread. This answer completely misses the point, and it should either be completely overhauled or removed.
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                            – Emilio Pisanty
                            1 hour ago















                          $begingroup$
                          When you translate the matrix back to a map, that map will be different, depending on the basis you chose. That is not true if you consider e.g. the dagger operation.
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                          – Norbert Schuch
                          5 hours ago




                          $begingroup$
                          When you translate the matrix back to a map, that map will be different, depending on the basis you chose. That is not true if you consider e.g. the dagger operation.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Norbert Schuch
                          5 hours ago












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                          @NorbertSchuch sorry, I don't quite follow. What do mean by 'map'?
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                          – Time4Tea
                          3 hours ago




                          $begingroup$
                          @NorbertSchuch sorry, I don't quite follow. What do mean by 'map'?
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                          – Time4Tea
                          3 hours ago












                          $begingroup$
                          "Map" = "Linear Operator". For a map $M$, the map $M^dagger$ is basis-independent, but the map $M^T$ depends on the basis in which you define the transpose.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Norbert Schuch
                          3 hours ago




                          $begingroup$
                          "Map" = "Linear Operator". For a map $M$, the map $M^dagger$ is basis-independent, but the map $M^T$ depends on the basis in which you define the transpose.
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                          3 hours ago












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                          I don't know why this answer is getting upvoted - it is dead wrong. Yes, obviously the matrix representation of a given linear transformation will depend on the basis in which it is represented, but this is not the issue here. The transpose, complex conjugation and hermitian conjugation (the combination of the first two) are all defined in terms of a given matrix representation, but the hermitian conjugate has the property that it commutes with (orthonormal) changes of basis, which means that it doesn't matter what basis you do it in, and (cont)
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                          – Emilio Pisanty
                          1 hour ago




                          $begingroup$
                          I don't know why this answer is getting upvoted - it is dead wrong. Yes, obviously the matrix representation of a given linear transformation will depend on the basis in which it is represented, but this is not the issue here. The transpose, complex conjugation and hermitian conjugation (the combination of the first two) are all defined in terms of a given matrix representation, but the hermitian conjugate has the property that it commutes with (orthonormal) changes of basis, which means that it doesn't matter what basis you do it in, and (cont)
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                          – Emilio Pisanty
                          1 hour ago












                          $begingroup$
                          the dagger operation on the 'abstract' transformation can be defined without saying what basis of be taken for the transpose + complex conjugate. This is not the case for the bare transpose or the bare complex conjugation, which is the real issue in this thread. This answer completely misses the point, and it should either be completely overhauled or removed.
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                          – Emilio Pisanty
                          1 hour ago




                          $begingroup$
                          the dagger operation on the 'abstract' transformation can be defined without saying what basis of be taken for the transpose + complex conjugate. This is not the case for the bare transpose or the bare complex conjugation, which is the real issue in this thread. This answer completely misses the point, and it should either be completely overhauled or removed.
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                          – Emilio Pisanty
                          1 hour ago











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                          Here's a simple example, to supplement the good answers that have already been posted.



                          Consider a $2$-dimensional Hilbert space $mathcalH$ over the complex numbers. Let $|0rangle$ and $|1rangle$ be two orthonormal elements (vectors) in $mathcalH$, and consider the linear operator $Z$ defined by
                          $$
                          Z|0rangle = |0rangle
                          hskip2cm
                          Z|1rangle = -|1rangle.
                          tag1
                          $$

                          In the orthonormal basis
                          $$
                          |arangle := frac0rangle+isqrt2
                          hskip2cm
                          |brangle := frac0rangle+sqrt2,
                          tag2
                          $$

                          the same linear operator $Z$ is given by
                          $$
                          Z|arangle = -i|brangle
                          hskip2cm
                          Z|brangle = i|arangle.
                          tag3
                          $$

                          Both bases are perfectly legitimate, and indeed there would have been no reason to prefer one over the other before seeing the definition of $Z$. So... what is the complex conjugate of $Z$?



                          To define the complex conjugate $Z^*$ of $Z$, we need to specify a basis. In the basis (1), we have $Z^*=Z$. In the basis (3), we have $Z^*=-Z$.



                          The adjoint $Z^dagger$ of a linear operator $Z$ is defined so that
                          $$
                          langle A|Z^dagger|Brangle = big(langle B|Z|Aranglebig)^*
                          tag4
                          $$

                          for all $|Arangle,|BrangleinmathcalH$. The adjoint is defined independently of any specific basis. The adjoint of $Z$ is $Z^dagger = Z$, no matter what basis we use.



                          Beware that the adjoint $Z^dagger$ is usually denoted $Z^*$ by mathematicians. That's because the adjoint is the natural (basis-independent) generalization of the concept of complex conjugation. The complex conjugate of a matrix is not natural, because it depends on which matrix representation is used, as illustrated above.






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                            Here's a simple example, to supplement the good answers that have already been posted.



                            Consider a $2$-dimensional Hilbert space $mathcalH$ over the complex numbers. Let $|0rangle$ and $|1rangle$ be two orthonormal elements (vectors) in $mathcalH$, and consider the linear operator $Z$ defined by
                            $$
                            Z|0rangle = |0rangle
                            hskip2cm
                            Z|1rangle = -|1rangle.
                            tag1
                            $$

                            In the orthonormal basis
                            $$
                            |arangle := frac0rangle+isqrt2
                            hskip2cm
                            |brangle := frac0rangle+sqrt2,
                            tag2
                            $$

                            the same linear operator $Z$ is given by
                            $$
                            Z|arangle = -i|brangle
                            hskip2cm
                            Z|brangle = i|arangle.
                            tag3
                            $$

                            Both bases are perfectly legitimate, and indeed there would have been no reason to prefer one over the other before seeing the definition of $Z$. So... what is the complex conjugate of $Z$?



                            To define the complex conjugate $Z^*$ of $Z$, we need to specify a basis. In the basis (1), we have $Z^*=Z$. In the basis (3), we have $Z^*=-Z$.



                            The adjoint $Z^dagger$ of a linear operator $Z$ is defined so that
                            $$
                            langle A|Z^dagger|Brangle = big(langle B|Z|Aranglebig)^*
                            tag4
                            $$

                            for all $|Arangle,|BrangleinmathcalH$. The adjoint is defined independently of any specific basis. The adjoint of $Z$ is $Z^dagger = Z$, no matter what basis we use.



                            Beware that the adjoint $Z^dagger$ is usually denoted $Z^*$ by mathematicians. That's because the adjoint is the natural (basis-independent) generalization of the concept of complex conjugation. The complex conjugate of a matrix is not natural, because it depends on which matrix representation is used, as illustrated above.






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                              Here's a simple example, to supplement the good answers that have already been posted.



                              Consider a $2$-dimensional Hilbert space $mathcalH$ over the complex numbers. Let $|0rangle$ and $|1rangle$ be two orthonormal elements (vectors) in $mathcalH$, and consider the linear operator $Z$ defined by
                              $$
                              Z|0rangle = |0rangle
                              hskip2cm
                              Z|1rangle = -|1rangle.
                              tag1
                              $$

                              In the orthonormal basis
                              $$
                              |arangle := frac0rangle+isqrt2
                              hskip2cm
                              |brangle := frac0rangle+sqrt2,
                              tag2
                              $$

                              the same linear operator $Z$ is given by
                              $$
                              Z|arangle = -i|brangle
                              hskip2cm
                              Z|brangle = i|arangle.
                              tag3
                              $$

                              Both bases are perfectly legitimate, and indeed there would have been no reason to prefer one over the other before seeing the definition of $Z$. So... what is the complex conjugate of $Z$?



                              To define the complex conjugate $Z^*$ of $Z$, we need to specify a basis. In the basis (1), we have $Z^*=Z$. In the basis (3), we have $Z^*=-Z$.



                              The adjoint $Z^dagger$ of a linear operator $Z$ is defined so that
                              $$
                              langle A|Z^dagger|Brangle = big(langle B|Z|Aranglebig)^*
                              tag4
                              $$

                              for all $|Arangle,|BrangleinmathcalH$. The adjoint is defined independently of any specific basis. The adjoint of $Z$ is $Z^dagger = Z$, no matter what basis we use.



                              Beware that the adjoint $Z^dagger$ is usually denoted $Z^*$ by mathematicians. That's because the adjoint is the natural (basis-independent) generalization of the concept of complex conjugation. The complex conjugate of a matrix is not natural, because it depends on which matrix representation is used, as illustrated above.






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                              Here's a simple example, to supplement the good answers that have already been posted.



                              Consider a $2$-dimensional Hilbert space $mathcalH$ over the complex numbers. Let $|0rangle$ and $|1rangle$ be two orthonormal elements (vectors) in $mathcalH$, and consider the linear operator $Z$ defined by
                              $$
                              Z|0rangle = |0rangle
                              hskip2cm
                              Z|1rangle = -|1rangle.
                              tag1
                              $$

                              In the orthonormal basis
                              $$
                              |arangle := frac0rangle+isqrt2
                              hskip2cm
                              |brangle := frac0rangle+sqrt2,
                              tag2
                              $$

                              the same linear operator $Z$ is given by
                              $$
                              Z|arangle = -i|brangle
                              hskip2cm
                              Z|brangle = i|arangle.
                              tag3
                              $$

                              Both bases are perfectly legitimate, and indeed there would have been no reason to prefer one over the other before seeing the definition of $Z$. So... what is the complex conjugate of $Z$?



                              To define the complex conjugate $Z^*$ of $Z$, we need to specify a basis. In the basis (1), we have $Z^*=Z$. In the basis (3), we have $Z^*=-Z$.



                              The adjoint $Z^dagger$ of a linear operator $Z$ is defined so that
                              $$
                              langle A|Z^dagger|Brangle = big(langle B|Z|Aranglebig)^*
                              tag4
                              $$

                              for all $|Arangle,|BrangleinmathcalH$. The adjoint is defined independently of any specific basis. The adjoint of $Z$ is $Z^dagger = Z$, no matter what basis we use.



                              Beware that the adjoint $Z^dagger$ is usually denoted $Z^*$ by mathematicians. That's because the adjoint is the natural (basis-independent) generalization of the concept of complex conjugation. The complex conjugate of a matrix is not natural, because it depends on which matrix representation is used, as illustrated above.







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                                  Given a matrix $M$ (=written in some basis). Now imagine you want to rewrite it in a different basis. The basis transformation is given by a unitary matrix $U$.



                                  In the new basis, the matrix reads $M'=UMU^dagger$. The transpose of $M'$ is then
                                  $$
                                  (M')^T = (UMU^dagger)^T = U^* M^T U^T .
                                  $$

                                  On the other hand, if you first transpose the matrix and then change the basis, you obtain
                                  $$
                                  UM^T U^dagger .
                                  $$

                                  In general, these will be two different matrices (in fact, they differ by a basis change $U^*U^-1$).



                                  The situation is different if you for instance consider the hermitian conjugate $M^dagger$, as you can easily check.






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                                    Given a matrix $M$ (=written in some basis). Now imagine you want to rewrite it in a different basis. The basis transformation is given by a unitary matrix $U$.



                                    In the new basis, the matrix reads $M'=UMU^dagger$. The transpose of $M'$ is then
                                    $$
                                    (M')^T = (UMU^dagger)^T = U^* M^T U^T .
                                    $$

                                    On the other hand, if you first transpose the matrix and then change the basis, you obtain
                                    $$
                                    UM^T U^dagger .
                                    $$

                                    In general, these will be two different matrices (in fact, they differ by a basis change $U^*U^-1$).



                                    The situation is different if you for instance consider the hermitian conjugate $M^dagger$, as you can easily check.






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                                      Given a matrix $M$ (=written in some basis). Now imagine you want to rewrite it in a different basis. The basis transformation is given by a unitary matrix $U$.



                                      In the new basis, the matrix reads $M'=UMU^dagger$. The transpose of $M'$ is then
                                      $$
                                      (M')^T = (UMU^dagger)^T = U^* M^T U^T .
                                      $$

                                      On the other hand, if you first transpose the matrix and then change the basis, you obtain
                                      $$
                                      UM^T U^dagger .
                                      $$

                                      In general, these will be two different matrices (in fact, they differ by a basis change $U^*U^-1$).



                                      The situation is different if you for instance consider the hermitian conjugate $M^dagger$, as you can easily check.






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                                      Given a matrix $M$ (=written in some basis). Now imagine you want to rewrite it in a different basis. The basis transformation is given by a unitary matrix $U$.



                                      In the new basis, the matrix reads $M'=UMU^dagger$. The transpose of $M'$ is then
                                      $$
                                      (M')^T = (UMU^dagger)^T = U^* M^T U^T .
                                      $$

                                      On the other hand, if you first transpose the matrix and then change the basis, you obtain
                                      $$
                                      UM^T U^dagger .
                                      $$

                                      In general, these will be two different matrices (in fact, they differ by a basis change $U^*U^-1$).



                                      The situation is different if you for instance consider the hermitian conjugate $M^dagger$, as you can easily check.







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                                          Consider a linear operator $A$ on a complex Hilbert space, which we can take as two-dimensional for simplicity, and start off by considering its hermitian conjugate $B=A^dagger$, which we define as the complex conjugate of the transpose on a given orthonormal basis $beta$. Thus, if the operator $A$ has a matrix representation
                                          $$[A]_beta=beginpmatrix a & b \ c & dendpmatrix$$
                                          on the basis $beta$, we're defining $B$ to have the matrix representation
                                          $$[B]_beta=beginpmatrix a^* & c^* \ b^* & d^*endpmatrix$$
                                          on that same basis.



                                          Now consider what happens if we look at the matrix representations of these two operators on some different basis $gamma$: then we know that the transformed representation of $B$ is given by a matrix-equivalence relationship of the form
                                          $$ [B]_gamma = U^-1 [B]_beta U,$$
                                          where $U$ is the basis-change matrix, and we also know that if $gamma$ is also orthonormal then $U^-1 = U^dagger$, so that
                                          $$ [B]_gamma = U^dagger [B]_beta U = U^dagger [A]_beta^dagger U.$$
                                          since we know that $[B]_beta = [A]_beta^dagger$, by definition. Now consider what happens when we take the matrix representation of $A$ on the basis $gamma$, $[A]_gamma = U^dagger [A]_beta U$, and we take its matrix hermitian conjugate, using the known behaviour of the matrix transpose for matrix products and the trivial behaviour of the complex conjugate:
                                          $$
                                          [A]_gamma^dagger = left(U^dagger [A]_beta Uright)^dagger = U^dagger [A]_beta^dagger U = [B]_gamma.
                                          $$

                                          See what happened? The definition of $boldsymbolB = A^dagger$, initially made in a given orthonormal basis, holds in any orthonormal basis we care to take, or in other words the relationship $B = A^dagger$ is basis independent: it holds at an operator level, and we don't need to specify what basis should be taken for the conjugate-transpose to be calculated.



                                          (Moreover: the fact that this operation, which we defined in terms of a matrix representation in a given basis, does not actually depend on the basis chosen, tells us that there is likely to be a nicer, basis-independent way to define the hermitian conjugate of any abstract linear operator. This is indeed the case $-$ it's the inner-product-based definition which uses the relationship $langle A^dagger u, v rangle = langle u, Avrangle$ for arbitrary $u,v$.)




                                          The point that your instructor is making about the matrix transpose and the complex conjugate is that this basis independence property is not true for either of them.



                                          To show that this is the case, a single counter-example is sufficient, so take
                                          $$[A]_beta=beginpmatrix 0 & i \ -i & 0endpmatrix$$
                                          as the matrix representation of your operator, and
                                          $$
                                          U = frac1sqrt2beginpmatrix 1 & i \ 1 & -iendpmatrix
                                          $$

                                          as your basis-change matrix. Then it is trivial to verify that
                                          $$
                                          [A]_gamma = U^dagger [A]_beta U = beginpmatrix -1 & 0 \ 0 & 1endpmatrix
                                          $$

                                          is the matrix representation of $A$ in the new basis, and while both the transpose and the complex conjugate leave the matrix representation $[A]_gamma$ untouched in the new basis,
                                          $$
                                          [A]_gamma ^T = [A]_gamma ^* = [A]_gamma,
                                          $$

                                          they both change its sign in the old matrix,
                                          $$
                                          [A]_beta^T = [A]_beta^* = -[A]_beta,
                                          $$

                                          so neither operation can be performed without specifying what basis it should be done in.



                                          (Also, this bears emphasizing: the example above is completely generic, and there is only a thin sliver of examples of operators $A$ and basis transformations $U$ which preserve the matrix transpose. Basically any example you take, so long as you're careful not to make it too simple, will show the behaviour above.)






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                                            Consider a linear operator $A$ on a complex Hilbert space, which we can take as two-dimensional for simplicity, and start off by considering its hermitian conjugate $B=A^dagger$, which we define as the complex conjugate of the transpose on a given orthonormal basis $beta$. Thus, if the operator $A$ has a matrix representation
                                            $$[A]_beta=beginpmatrix a & b \ c & dendpmatrix$$
                                            on the basis $beta$, we're defining $B$ to have the matrix representation
                                            $$[B]_beta=beginpmatrix a^* & c^* \ b^* & d^*endpmatrix$$
                                            on that same basis.



                                            Now consider what happens if we look at the matrix representations of these two operators on some different basis $gamma$: then we know that the transformed representation of $B$ is given by a matrix-equivalence relationship of the form
                                            $$ [B]_gamma = U^-1 [B]_beta U,$$
                                            where $U$ is the basis-change matrix, and we also know that if $gamma$ is also orthonormal then $U^-1 = U^dagger$, so that
                                            $$ [B]_gamma = U^dagger [B]_beta U = U^dagger [A]_beta^dagger U.$$
                                            since we know that $[B]_beta = [A]_beta^dagger$, by definition. Now consider what happens when we take the matrix representation of $A$ on the basis $gamma$, $[A]_gamma = U^dagger [A]_beta U$, and we take its matrix hermitian conjugate, using the known behaviour of the matrix transpose for matrix products and the trivial behaviour of the complex conjugate:
                                            $$
                                            [A]_gamma^dagger = left(U^dagger [A]_beta Uright)^dagger = U^dagger [A]_beta^dagger U = [B]_gamma.
                                            $$

                                            See what happened? The definition of $boldsymbolB = A^dagger$, initially made in a given orthonormal basis, holds in any orthonormal basis we care to take, or in other words the relationship $B = A^dagger$ is basis independent: it holds at an operator level, and we don't need to specify what basis should be taken for the conjugate-transpose to be calculated.



                                            (Moreover: the fact that this operation, which we defined in terms of a matrix representation in a given basis, does not actually depend on the basis chosen, tells us that there is likely to be a nicer, basis-independent way to define the hermitian conjugate of any abstract linear operator. This is indeed the case $-$ it's the inner-product-based definition which uses the relationship $langle A^dagger u, v rangle = langle u, Avrangle$ for arbitrary $u,v$.)




                                            The point that your instructor is making about the matrix transpose and the complex conjugate is that this basis independence property is not true for either of them.



                                            To show that this is the case, a single counter-example is sufficient, so take
                                            $$[A]_beta=beginpmatrix 0 & i \ -i & 0endpmatrix$$
                                            as the matrix representation of your operator, and
                                            $$
                                            U = frac1sqrt2beginpmatrix 1 & i \ 1 & -iendpmatrix
                                            $$

                                            as your basis-change matrix. Then it is trivial to verify that
                                            $$
                                            [A]_gamma = U^dagger [A]_beta U = beginpmatrix -1 & 0 \ 0 & 1endpmatrix
                                            $$

                                            is the matrix representation of $A$ in the new basis, and while both the transpose and the complex conjugate leave the matrix representation $[A]_gamma$ untouched in the new basis,
                                            $$
                                            [A]_gamma ^T = [A]_gamma ^* = [A]_gamma,
                                            $$

                                            they both change its sign in the old matrix,
                                            $$
                                            [A]_beta^T = [A]_beta^* = -[A]_beta,
                                            $$

                                            so neither operation can be performed without specifying what basis it should be done in.



                                            (Also, this bears emphasizing: the example above is completely generic, and there is only a thin sliver of examples of operators $A$ and basis transformations $U$ which preserve the matrix transpose. Basically any example you take, so long as you're careful not to make it too simple, will show the behaviour above.)






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                                              Consider a linear operator $A$ on a complex Hilbert space, which we can take as two-dimensional for simplicity, and start off by considering its hermitian conjugate $B=A^dagger$, which we define as the complex conjugate of the transpose on a given orthonormal basis $beta$. Thus, if the operator $A$ has a matrix representation
                                              $$[A]_beta=beginpmatrix a & b \ c & dendpmatrix$$
                                              on the basis $beta$, we're defining $B$ to have the matrix representation
                                              $$[B]_beta=beginpmatrix a^* & c^* \ b^* & d^*endpmatrix$$
                                              on that same basis.



                                              Now consider what happens if we look at the matrix representations of these two operators on some different basis $gamma$: then we know that the transformed representation of $B$ is given by a matrix-equivalence relationship of the form
                                              $$ [B]_gamma = U^-1 [B]_beta U,$$
                                              where $U$ is the basis-change matrix, and we also know that if $gamma$ is also orthonormal then $U^-1 = U^dagger$, so that
                                              $$ [B]_gamma = U^dagger [B]_beta U = U^dagger [A]_beta^dagger U.$$
                                              since we know that $[B]_beta = [A]_beta^dagger$, by definition. Now consider what happens when we take the matrix representation of $A$ on the basis $gamma$, $[A]_gamma = U^dagger [A]_beta U$, and we take its matrix hermitian conjugate, using the known behaviour of the matrix transpose for matrix products and the trivial behaviour of the complex conjugate:
                                              $$
                                              [A]_gamma^dagger = left(U^dagger [A]_beta Uright)^dagger = U^dagger [A]_beta^dagger U = [B]_gamma.
                                              $$

                                              See what happened? The definition of $boldsymbolB = A^dagger$, initially made in a given orthonormal basis, holds in any orthonormal basis we care to take, or in other words the relationship $B = A^dagger$ is basis independent: it holds at an operator level, and we don't need to specify what basis should be taken for the conjugate-transpose to be calculated.



                                              (Moreover: the fact that this operation, which we defined in terms of a matrix representation in a given basis, does not actually depend on the basis chosen, tells us that there is likely to be a nicer, basis-independent way to define the hermitian conjugate of any abstract linear operator. This is indeed the case $-$ it's the inner-product-based definition which uses the relationship $langle A^dagger u, v rangle = langle u, Avrangle$ for arbitrary $u,v$.)




                                              The point that your instructor is making about the matrix transpose and the complex conjugate is that this basis independence property is not true for either of them.



                                              To show that this is the case, a single counter-example is sufficient, so take
                                              $$[A]_beta=beginpmatrix 0 & i \ -i & 0endpmatrix$$
                                              as the matrix representation of your operator, and
                                              $$
                                              U = frac1sqrt2beginpmatrix 1 & i \ 1 & -iendpmatrix
                                              $$

                                              as your basis-change matrix. Then it is trivial to verify that
                                              $$
                                              [A]_gamma = U^dagger [A]_beta U = beginpmatrix -1 & 0 \ 0 & 1endpmatrix
                                              $$

                                              is the matrix representation of $A$ in the new basis, and while both the transpose and the complex conjugate leave the matrix representation $[A]_gamma$ untouched in the new basis,
                                              $$
                                              [A]_gamma ^T = [A]_gamma ^* = [A]_gamma,
                                              $$

                                              they both change its sign in the old matrix,
                                              $$
                                              [A]_beta^T = [A]_beta^* = -[A]_beta,
                                              $$

                                              so neither operation can be performed without specifying what basis it should be done in.



                                              (Also, this bears emphasizing: the example above is completely generic, and there is only a thin sliver of examples of operators $A$ and basis transformations $U$ which preserve the matrix transpose. Basically any example you take, so long as you're careful not to make it too simple, will show the behaviour above.)






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                                              Consider a linear operator $A$ on a complex Hilbert space, which we can take as two-dimensional for simplicity, and start off by considering its hermitian conjugate $B=A^dagger$, which we define as the complex conjugate of the transpose on a given orthonormal basis $beta$. Thus, if the operator $A$ has a matrix representation
                                              $$[A]_beta=beginpmatrix a & b \ c & dendpmatrix$$
                                              on the basis $beta$, we're defining $B$ to have the matrix representation
                                              $$[B]_beta=beginpmatrix a^* & c^* \ b^* & d^*endpmatrix$$
                                              on that same basis.



                                              Now consider what happens if we look at the matrix representations of these two operators on some different basis $gamma$: then we know that the transformed representation of $B$ is given by a matrix-equivalence relationship of the form
                                              $$ [B]_gamma = U^-1 [B]_beta U,$$
                                              where $U$ is the basis-change matrix, and we also know that if $gamma$ is also orthonormal then $U^-1 = U^dagger$, so that
                                              $$ [B]_gamma = U^dagger [B]_beta U = U^dagger [A]_beta^dagger U.$$
                                              since we know that $[B]_beta = [A]_beta^dagger$, by definition. Now consider what happens when we take the matrix representation of $A$ on the basis $gamma$, $[A]_gamma = U^dagger [A]_beta U$, and we take its matrix hermitian conjugate, using the known behaviour of the matrix transpose for matrix products and the trivial behaviour of the complex conjugate:
                                              $$
                                              [A]_gamma^dagger = left(U^dagger [A]_beta Uright)^dagger = U^dagger [A]_beta^dagger U = [B]_gamma.
                                              $$

                                              See what happened? The definition of $boldsymbolB = A^dagger$, initially made in a given orthonormal basis, holds in any orthonormal basis we care to take, or in other words the relationship $B = A^dagger$ is basis independent: it holds at an operator level, and we don't need to specify what basis should be taken for the conjugate-transpose to be calculated.



                                              (Moreover: the fact that this operation, which we defined in terms of a matrix representation in a given basis, does not actually depend on the basis chosen, tells us that there is likely to be a nicer, basis-independent way to define the hermitian conjugate of any abstract linear operator. This is indeed the case $-$ it's the inner-product-based definition which uses the relationship $langle A^dagger u, v rangle = langle u, Avrangle$ for arbitrary $u,v$.)




                                              The point that your instructor is making about the matrix transpose and the complex conjugate is that this basis independence property is not true for either of them.



                                              To show that this is the case, a single counter-example is sufficient, so take
                                              $$[A]_beta=beginpmatrix 0 & i \ -i & 0endpmatrix$$
                                              as the matrix representation of your operator, and
                                              $$
                                              U = frac1sqrt2beginpmatrix 1 & i \ 1 & -iendpmatrix
                                              $$

                                              as your basis-change matrix. Then it is trivial to verify that
                                              $$
                                              [A]_gamma = U^dagger [A]_beta U = beginpmatrix -1 & 0 \ 0 & 1endpmatrix
                                              $$

                                              is the matrix representation of $A$ in the new basis, and while both the transpose and the complex conjugate leave the matrix representation $[A]_gamma$ untouched in the new basis,
                                              $$
                                              [A]_gamma ^T = [A]_gamma ^* = [A]_gamma,
                                              $$

                                              they both change its sign in the old matrix,
                                              $$
                                              [A]_beta^T = [A]_beta^* = -[A]_beta,
                                              $$

                                              so neither operation can be performed without specifying what basis it should be done in.



                                              (Also, this bears emphasizing: the example above is completely generic, and there is only a thin sliver of examples of operators $A$ and basis transformations $U$ which preserve the matrix transpose. Basically any example you take, so long as you're careful not to make it too simple, will show the behaviour above.)







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