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Here's my layout as it stands:



meter
|
200A disconnect, neutral and ground bonded
|
|
|
mobile home main panel (200A main breaker, neutral and ground not bonded)


I would like to run another 100A panel outside, right next to the meter so that it runs like this:



meter -------- 100A Panel
|
200A disconnect
|
|
mobile home panel


My question is, do I need a main breaker for the 100A panel, and does the neutral need to be bonded with the ground?



I bought 1/0 wire to run from the meter to the new panel.



Edit: pictures of the current setup here with the new panel on the same pole https://imgur.com/a/eXDbVQ8










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    Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

    – Harper
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

    – Harper
    6 hours ago







  • 2





    This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

    – Harper
    5 hours ago







  • 1





    Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    4 hours ago


















1















Here's my layout as it stands:



meter
|
200A disconnect, neutral and ground bonded
|
|
|
mobile home main panel (200A main breaker, neutral and ground not bonded)


I would like to run another 100A panel outside, right next to the meter so that it runs like this:



meter -------- 100A Panel
|
200A disconnect
|
|
mobile home panel


My question is, do I need a main breaker for the 100A panel, and does the neutral need to be bonded with the ground?



I bought 1/0 wire to run from the meter to the new panel.



Edit: pictures of the current setup here with the new panel on the same pole https://imgur.com/a/eXDbVQ8










share|improve this question





















  • 1





    Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

    – Harper
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

    – Harper
    6 hours ago







  • 2





    This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

    – Harper
    5 hours ago







  • 1





    Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    4 hours ago














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Here's my layout as it stands:



meter
|
200A disconnect, neutral and ground bonded
|
|
|
mobile home main panel (200A main breaker, neutral and ground not bonded)


I would like to run another 100A panel outside, right next to the meter so that it runs like this:



meter -------- 100A Panel
|
200A disconnect
|
|
mobile home panel


My question is, do I need a main breaker for the 100A panel, and does the neutral need to be bonded with the ground?



I bought 1/0 wire to run from the meter to the new panel.



Edit: pictures of the current setup here with the new panel on the same pole https://imgur.com/a/eXDbVQ8










share|improve this question
















Here's my layout as it stands:



meter
|
200A disconnect, neutral and ground bonded
|
|
|
mobile home main panel (200A main breaker, neutral and ground not bonded)


I would like to run another 100A panel outside, right next to the meter so that it runs like this:



meter -------- 100A Panel
|
200A disconnect
|
|
mobile home panel


My question is, do I need a main breaker for the 100A panel, and does the neutral need to be bonded with the ground?



I bought 1/0 wire to run from the meter to the new panel.



Edit: pictures of the current setup here with the new panel on the same pole https://imgur.com/a/eXDbVQ8







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  • 1





    Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

    – Harper
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

    – Harper
    6 hours ago







  • 2





    This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

    – Harper
    5 hours ago







  • 1





    Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    4 hours ago













  • 1





    Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

    – Harper
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

    – Harper
    6 hours ago







  • 2





    This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

    – Harper
    5 hours ago







  • 1





    Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    4 hours ago








1




1





Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

– ThreePhaseEel
7 hours ago





Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

– ThreePhaseEel
7 hours ago




1




1





Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

– Harper
6 hours ago





Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

– Harper
6 hours ago




1




1





That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

– Harper
6 hours ago






That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

– Harper
6 hours ago





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This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

– Harper
5 hours ago






This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

– Harper
5 hours ago





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Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

– ThreePhaseEel
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You can't double-tap a lug. You can buy "staircase" lugs that are 1-lug width but provide 2 lugs, but you can't torque one without removing the other. And they may not fit on your breaker. In that case, you'd use 3-lug Polaris connectors.



Regardless, these don't come in small-large-large, so you'll have enough for dual 200A connections.



Since you're stuck buying the lugs anyway, it's cost-neutral whether you tap the bottom or top of the main breaker (e.g. Service side or breaker-protected side). Tapping the service side is a) Very Super Mega Bad from a safety and Code POV, because it's sending power to the subpanel totally unfused, and even worse (if that's even possible) b) since the sub is main-lug, it has no protection whatsoever for the buses - another show-stopper. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, c) it will have worse issues with bending radius due to the smaller area there.



So "on the breaker-protected side" is the non-exploding answer.



Given that the cost of wire is not critical when only going a couple of feet, use wire rated for 200A, so the breaker protects this wire. (Failing to do so is a codevio).



As long as you tap the breakered side, and use 200A wire, the subpanel doesn't need a main breaker if it has 200A+ busing. Your baby panel doesn't, so it will need a 100A main breaker, plus likely another pair of 2-lug Polaris to step the 200A wire down to something that will fit on a 100A lug. Therefore, for this and so many other reasons, I recommend this baby panel go back to the store, and spend a few dollars more on a 200A-bused panel - main lug is fine.



Not least, you won't be back here going "My panel is full, what do I do now?" Spaces are cheap; regrets are expensive.



There's one other wrinkle.



Right now, all your service's wiring goes onto the mobile home via those wires. That qualifies you for an 83% friendly "De-rate" based on NEC 310.15(B)7, since NEC is basically calling this an extension of your service drop, and letting you use service-drop sized wires.



Once you split it to two different destinations, you lose your 310.15(B)7 discount. That means adding this subpanel may make your long-existing cabling to the RV too small.



First, check if that is so. If it is, this is where you'd want to throw yourself on the mercy of the local permitting authority, and ask them to "grandfather" it.



And if they won't, then you could pull the meter, replace that 200A main breaker box with a 200A main-breaker service panel (as small as you can get it), add a 150A? 175A? breaker feeding the mobile home on its existing wires. Then, this "main" panel will have gobs of extra spaces for whatever you're trying to do here.



Heck, a wise choice of panel might even make a generator interlock both feasible and affordable.






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    One bond. That's already in your meter/disconnect. Everything else is a subpanel, ground & neutral separated.



    Slightly debatable whether the main disconnect nearby trumps the "six motions of the hand" to shut everything off rule for this panel, sometimes interpreted as 6 breakers. Wait, you were planning to take off ahead of the main disconnect? No, don't do that...



    Me, I'd choose a panel with a main breaker and remove the bonding screw - they are often no more expensive than those without a main, and sometimes less expensive since they move in volume. And there's no debate...






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    • Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

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    You can't double-tap a lug. You can buy "staircase" lugs that are 1-lug width but provide 2 lugs, but you can't torque one without removing the other. And they may not fit on your breaker. In that case, you'd use 3-lug Polaris connectors.



    Regardless, these don't come in small-large-large, so you'll have enough for dual 200A connections.



    Since you're stuck buying the lugs anyway, it's cost-neutral whether you tap the bottom or top of the main breaker (e.g. Service side or breaker-protected side). Tapping the service side is a) Very Super Mega Bad from a safety and Code POV, because it's sending power to the subpanel totally unfused, and even worse (if that's even possible) b) since the sub is main-lug, it has no protection whatsoever for the buses - another show-stopper. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, c) it will have worse issues with bending radius due to the smaller area there.



    So "on the breaker-protected side" is the non-exploding answer.



    Given that the cost of wire is not critical when only going a couple of feet, use wire rated for 200A, so the breaker protects this wire. (Failing to do so is a codevio).



    As long as you tap the breakered side, and use 200A wire, the subpanel doesn't need a main breaker if it has 200A+ busing. Your baby panel doesn't, so it will need a 100A main breaker, plus likely another pair of 2-lug Polaris to step the 200A wire down to something that will fit on a 100A lug. Therefore, for this and so many other reasons, I recommend this baby panel go back to the store, and spend a few dollars more on a 200A-bused panel - main lug is fine.



    Not least, you won't be back here going "My panel is full, what do I do now?" Spaces are cheap; regrets are expensive.



    There's one other wrinkle.



    Right now, all your service's wiring goes onto the mobile home via those wires. That qualifies you for an 83% friendly "De-rate" based on NEC 310.15(B)7, since NEC is basically calling this an extension of your service drop, and letting you use service-drop sized wires.



    Once you split it to two different destinations, you lose your 310.15(B)7 discount. That means adding this subpanel may make your long-existing cabling to the RV too small.



    First, check if that is so. If it is, this is where you'd want to throw yourself on the mercy of the local permitting authority, and ask them to "grandfather" it.



    And if they won't, then you could pull the meter, replace that 200A main breaker box with a 200A main-breaker service panel (as small as you can get it), add a 150A? 175A? breaker feeding the mobile home on its existing wires. Then, this "main" panel will have gobs of extra spaces for whatever you're trying to do here.



    Heck, a wise choice of panel might even make a generator interlock both feasible and affordable.






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      You can't double-tap a lug. You can buy "staircase" lugs that are 1-lug width but provide 2 lugs, but you can't torque one without removing the other. And they may not fit on your breaker. In that case, you'd use 3-lug Polaris connectors.



      Regardless, these don't come in small-large-large, so you'll have enough for dual 200A connections.



      Since you're stuck buying the lugs anyway, it's cost-neutral whether you tap the bottom or top of the main breaker (e.g. Service side or breaker-protected side). Tapping the service side is a) Very Super Mega Bad from a safety and Code POV, because it's sending power to the subpanel totally unfused, and even worse (if that's even possible) b) since the sub is main-lug, it has no protection whatsoever for the buses - another show-stopper. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, c) it will have worse issues with bending radius due to the smaller area there.



      So "on the breaker-protected side" is the non-exploding answer.



      Given that the cost of wire is not critical when only going a couple of feet, use wire rated for 200A, so the breaker protects this wire. (Failing to do so is a codevio).



      As long as you tap the breakered side, and use 200A wire, the subpanel doesn't need a main breaker if it has 200A+ busing. Your baby panel doesn't, so it will need a 100A main breaker, plus likely another pair of 2-lug Polaris to step the 200A wire down to something that will fit on a 100A lug. Therefore, for this and so many other reasons, I recommend this baby panel go back to the store, and spend a few dollars more on a 200A-bused panel - main lug is fine.



      Not least, you won't be back here going "My panel is full, what do I do now?" Spaces are cheap; regrets are expensive.



      There's one other wrinkle.



      Right now, all your service's wiring goes onto the mobile home via those wires. That qualifies you for an 83% friendly "De-rate" based on NEC 310.15(B)7, since NEC is basically calling this an extension of your service drop, and letting you use service-drop sized wires.



      Once you split it to two different destinations, you lose your 310.15(B)7 discount. That means adding this subpanel may make your long-existing cabling to the RV too small.



      First, check if that is so. If it is, this is where you'd want to throw yourself on the mercy of the local permitting authority, and ask them to "grandfather" it.



      And if they won't, then you could pull the meter, replace that 200A main breaker box with a 200A main-breaker service panel (as small as you can get it), add a 150A? 175A? breaker feeding the mobile home on its existing wires. Then, this "main" panel will have gobs of extra spaces for whatever you're trying to do here.



      Heck, a wise choice of panel might even make a generator interlock both feasible and affordable.






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        You can't double-tap a lug. You can buy "staircase" lugs that are 1-lug width but provide 2 lugs, but you can't torque one without removing the other. And they may not fit on your breaker. In that case, you'd use 3-lug Polaris connectors.



        Regardless, these don't come in small-large-large, so you'll have enough for dual 200A connections.



        Since you're stuck buying the lugs anyway, it's cost-neutral whether you tap the bottom or top of the main breaker (e.g. Service side or breaker-protected side). Tapping the service side is a) Very Super Mega Bad from a safety and Code POV, because it's sending power to the subpanel totally unfused, and even worse (if that's even possible) b) since the sub is main-lug, it has no protection whatsoever for the buses - another show-stopper. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, c) it will have worse issues with bending radius due to the smaller area there.



        So "on the breaker-protected side" is the non-exploding answer.



        Given that the cost of wire is not critical when only going a couple of feet, use wire rated for 200A, so the breaker protects this wire. (Failing to do so is a codevio).



        As long as you tap the breakered side, and use 200A wire, the subpanel doesn't need a main breaker if it has 200A+ busing. Your baby panel doesn't, so it will need a 100A main breaker, plus likely another pair of 2-lug Polaris to step the 200A wire down to something that will fit on a 100A lug. Therefore, for this and so many other reasons, I recommend this baby panel go back to the store, and spend a few dollars more on a 200A-bused panel - main lug is fine.



        Not least, you won't be back here going "My panel is full, what do I do now?" Spaces are cheap; regrets are expensive.



        There's one other wrinkle.



        Right now, all your service's wiring goes onto the mobile home via those wires. That qualifies you for an 83% friendly "De-rate" based on NEC 310.15(B)7, since NEC is basically calling this an extension of your service drop, and letting you use service-drop sized wires.



        Once you split it to two different destinations, you lose your 310.15(B)7 discount. That means adding this subpanel may make your long-existing cabling to the RV too small.



        First, check if that is so. If it is, this is where you'd want to throw yourself on the mercy of the local permitting authority, and ask them to "grandfather" it.



        And if they won't, then you could pull the meter, replace that 200A main breaker box with a 200A main-breaker service panel (as small as you can get it), add a 150A? 175A? breaker feeding the mobile home on its existing wires. Then, this "main" panel will have gobs of extra spaces for whatever you're trying to do here.



        Heck, a wise choice of panel might even make a generator interlock both feasible and affordable.






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        You can't double-tap a lug. You can buy "staircase" lugs that are 1-lug width but provide 2 lugs, but you can't torque one without removing the other. And they may not fit on your breaker. In that case, you'd use 3-lug Polaris connectors.



        Regardless, these don't come in small-large-large, so you'll have enough for dual 200A connections.



        Since you're stuck buying the lugs anyway, it's cost-neutral whether you tap the bottom or top of the main breaker (e.g. Service side or breaker-protected side). Tapping the service side is a) Very Super Mega Bad from a safety and Code POV, because it's sending power to the subpanel totally unfused, and even worse (if that's even possible) b) since the sub is main-lug, it has no protection whatsoever for the buses - another show-stopper. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, c) it will have worse issues with bending radius due to the smaller area there.



        So "on the breaker-protected side" is the non-exploding answer.



        Given that the cost of wire is not critical when only going a couple of feet, use wire rated for 200A, so the breaker protects this wire. (Failing to do so is a codevio).



        As long as you tap the breakered side, and use 200A wire, the subpanel doesn't need a main breaker if it has 200A+ busing. Your baby panel doesn't, so it will need a 100A main breaker, plus likely another pair of 2-lug Polaris to step the 200A wire down to something that will fit on a 100A lug. Therefore, for this and so many other reasons, I recommend this baby panel go back to the store, and spend a few dollars more on a 200A-bused panel - main lug is fine.



        Not least, you won't be back here going "My panel is full, what do I do now?" Spaces are cheap; regrets are expensive.



        There's one other wrinkle.



        Right now, all your service's wiring goes onto the mobile home via those wires. That qualifies you for an 83% friendly "De-rate" based on NEC 310.15(B)7, since NEC is basically calling this an extension of your service drop, and letting you use service-drop sized wires.



        Once you split it to two different destinations, you lose your 310.15(B)7 discount. That means adding this subpanel may make your long-existing cabling to the RV too small.



        First, check if that is so. If it is, this is where you'd want to throw yourself on the mercy of the local permitting authority, and ask them to "grandfather" it.



        And if they won't, then you could pull the meter, replace that 200A main breaker box with a 200A main-breaker service panel (as small as you can get it), add a 150A? 175A? breaker feeding the mobile home on its existing wires. Then, this "main" panel will have gobs of extra spaces for whatever you're trying to do here.



        Heck, a wise choice of panel might even make a generator interlock both feasible and affordable.







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            One bond. That's already in your meter/disconnect. Everything else is a subpanel, ground & neutral separated.



            Slightly debatable whether the main disconnect nearby trumps the "six motions of the hand" to shut everything off rule for this panel, sometimes interpreted as 6 breakers. Wait, you were planning to take off ahead of the main disconnect? No, don't do that...



            Me, I'd choose a panel with a main breaker and remove the bonding screw - they are often no more expensive than those without a main, and sometimes less expensive since they move in volume. And there's no debate...






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            • Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

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            One bond. That's already in your meter/disconnect. Everything else is a subpanel, ground & neutral separated.



            Slightly debatable whether the main disconnect nearby trumps the "six motions of the hand" to shut everything off rule for this panel, sometimes interpreted as 6 breakers. Wait, you were planning to take off ahead of the main disconnect? No, don't do that...



            Me, I'd choose a panel with a main breaker and remove the bonding screw - they are often no more expensive than those without a main, and sometimes less expensive since they move in volume. And there's no debate...






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            • Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

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            One bond. That's already in your meter/disconnect. Everything else is a subpanel, ground & neutral separated.



            Slightly debatable whether the main disconnect nearby trumps the "six motions of the hand" to shut everything off rule for this panel, sometimes interpreted as 6 breakers. Wait, you were planning to take off ahead of the main disconnect? No, don't do that...



            Me, I'd choose a panel with a main breaker and remove the bonding screw - they are often no more expensive than those without a main, and sometimes less expensive since they move in volume. And there's no debate...






            share|improve this answer















            One bond. That's already in your meter/disconnect. Everything else is a subpanel, ground & neutral separated.



            Slightly debatable whether the main disconnect nearby trumps the "six motions of the hand" to shut everything off rule for this panel, sometimes interpreted as 6 breakers. Wait, you were planning to take off ahead of the main disconnect? No, don't do that...



            Me, I'd choose a panel with a main breaker and remove the bonding screw - they are often no more expensive than those without a main, and sometimes less expensive since they move in volume. And there's no debate...







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            • Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

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            • Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

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            Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

            – Krimo
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            Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

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