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Are there examples in Tanach of 3 or more parties having an ongoing conversation?
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From what I have seen in reading Tanach every conversation is between two parties and two parties only. Sometimes those parties consist of 1 person and other times of several people for example "And his brothers said..." but in all of those latter instances the group of people are speaking as one unified voice.
Even when there are multiple people present the conversations seem to be recorded as a two party conversation. For example with Iyov there is never a time where all of his friends speak together in a single conversation taking turns - ie you don't have Iyov says X, Bildad responds with Y then Eliphaz interjects Z. Instead you have each person sequentially delivering a soliloquy.
I would like to know if there are any examples of dialogue in Tanach where 3 or more parties engaged in a conversation together at the same time.
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From what I have seen in reading Tanach every conversation is between two parties and two parties only. Sometimes those parties consist of 1 person and other times of several people for example "And his brothers said..." but in all of those latter instances the group of people are speaking as one unified voice.
Even when there are multiple people present the conversations seem to be recorded as a two party conversation. For example with Iyov there is never a time where all of his friends speak together in a single conversation taking turns - ie you don't have Iyov says X, Bildad responds with Y then Eliphaz interjects Z. Instead you have each person sequentially delivering a soliloquy.
I would like to know if there are any examples of dialogue in Tanach where 3 or more parties engaged in a conversation together at the same time.
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I would imagine professors Cassuto or Alter have discussed this
– rikitikitembo
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Esther 7 perhaps?
– Double AA♦
8 hours ago
The naar, Yehoshua, and Moshe about Eldad and Meidad?
– Heshy
8 hours ago
I encourage you to post a follow-up question about the significance of this pattern. If you don't want to, let me know, and I'll do it.
– Isaac Moses♦
8 hours ago
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R Yoel Bin Nun thinks nearly all of Kohelet is a conversation of many speakers (hence the name קהלת like קהל)
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From what I have seen in reading Tanach every conversation is between two parties and two parties only. Sometimes those parties consist of 1 person and other times of several people for example "And his brothers said..." but in all of those latter instances the group of people are speaking as one unified voice.
Even when there are multiple people present the conversations seem to be recorded as a two party conversation. For example with Iyov there is never a time where all of his friends speak together in a single conversation taking turns - ie you don't have Iyov says X, Bildad responds with Y then Eliphaz interjects Z. Instead you have each person sequentially delivering a soliloquy.
I would like to know if there are any examples of dialogue in Tanach where 3 or more parties engaged in a conversation together at the same time.
tanach speech-talking job-iyov-book-of literature
asked 9 hours ago
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From what I have seen in reading Tanach every conversation is between two parties and two parties only. Sometimes those parties consist of 1 person and other times of several people for example "And his brothers said..." but in all of those latter instances the group of people are speaking as one unified voice.
Even when there are multiple people present the conversations seem to be recorded as a two party conversation. For example with Iyov there is never a time where all of his friends speak together in a single conversation taking turns - ie you don't have Iyov says X, Bildad responds with Y then Eliphaz interjects Z. Instead you have each person sequentially delivering a soliloquy.
I would like to know if there are any examples of dialogue in Tanach where 3 or more parties engaged in a conversation together at the same time.
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I would imagine professors Cassuto or Alter have discussed this
– rikitikitembo
8 hours ago
2
Esther 7 perhaps?
– Double AA♦
8 hours ago
The naar, Yehoshua, and Moshe about Eldad and Meidad?
– Heshy
8 hours ago
I encourage you to post a follow-up question about the significance of this pattern. If you don't want to, let me know, and I'll do it.
– Isaac Moses♦
8 hours ago
1
R Yoel Bin Nun thinks nearly all of Kohelet is a conversation of many speakers (hence the name קהלת like קהל)
– Double AA♦
8 hours ago
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I would imagine professors Cassuto or Alter have discussed this
– rikitikitembo
8 hours ago
2
Esther 7 perhaps?
– Double AA♦
8 hours ago
The naar, Yehoshua, and Moshe about Eldad and Meidad?
– Heshy
8 hours ago
I encourage you to post a follow-up question about the significance of this pattern. If you don't want to, let me know, and I'll do it.
– Isaac Moses♦
8 hours ago
1
R Yoel Bin Nun thinks nearly all of Kohelet is a conversation of many speakers (hence the name קהלת like קהל)
– Double AA♦
8 hours ago
I would imagine professors Cassuto or Alter have discussed this
– rikitikitembo
8 hours ago
I would imagine professors Cassuto or Alter have discussed this
– rikitikitembo
8 hours ago
2
2
Esther 7 perhaps?
– Double AA♦
8 hours ago
Esther 7 perhaps?
– Double AA♦
8 hours ago
The naar, Yehoshua, and Moshe about Eldad and Meidad?
– Heshy
8 hours ago
The naar, Yehoshua, and Moshe about Eldad and Meidad?
– Heshy
8 hours ago
I encourage you to post a follow-up question about the significance of this pattern. If you don't want to, let me know, and I'll do it.
– Isaac Moses♦
8 hours ago
I encourage you to post a follow-up question about the significance of this pattern. If you don't want to, let me know, and I'll do it.
– Isaac Moses♦
8 hours ago
1
1
R Yoel Bin Nun thinks nearly all of Kohelet is a conversation of many speakers (hence the name קהלת like קהל)
– Double AA♦
8 hours ago
R Yoel Bin Nun thinks nearly all of Kohelet is a conversation of many speakers (hence the name קהלת like קהל)
– Double AA♦
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In Jeremiah 26 there is a conversation involving six different named parties:
- Jeremiah speaks to the nation, the priests and the prophets
- The nation, the priests, and the prophets respond
- The princes of Judah hear and come
- The priests and the prophets speak to the princes and the nation
- Jeremiah speaks to the princes and the nation
- The princes and the nation speak to the priests and prophets
- The elders speak to the nation
Song of Songs 8:8-10 is another possible case. Since this is poetry and doesn't identify the speakers, there are multiple possible ways to read these lines, but it's reasonable to read each verse as said by one party (brother #1, brother #2, sister).
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This is very interesting! I can think of many examples in the Torah where you might expect a multilateral conversation, but instead, the narrative fits your pattern.
Gen. 3:9-19 might be taken as one conversation in which God, Adam, and Chava each speak, though you could also say that the verse in which Chava speaks (v. 13) is a sidebar bilateral conversation between God and her.
In Gen. 18:12-15, there appears to be a conversation including Sarah, God, and Avraham, except that Avraham is included as a direct object of God's speech, but not as a speaker himself.
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the way I read it both examples are not 3 way conversations. in Gen. 3 God first speaks with Man. That conversation ends and He speaks with Woman, then He has a monologue. in Gen. 18 its not clear to me who the vayomer in v.15 is referring but in any case there are only 2 parties actively speaking, God and Sarah.
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There's a three-way conversation (Avimelech, Abraham, and Sara) but with only two of the participants (Avimelech and Abraham) speaking in Genesis 20:9–16. I'm not sure whether that meets your criteria.
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I'm looking for all 3 participants to be actively conversing. please let me know if that's not clear enough in the question and I will edit it.
– rikitikitembo
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I think you should, actually. I'll gladly delete this answer once I know you've seen this comment.
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In Jeremiah 26 there is a conversation involving six different named parties:
- Jeremiah speaks to the nation, the priests and the prophets
- The nation, the priests, and the prophets respond
- The princes of Judah hear and come
- The priests and the prophets speak to the princes and the nation
- Jeremiah speaks to the princes and the nation
- The princes and the nation speak to the priests and prophets
- The elders speak to the nation
Song of Songs 8:8-10 is another possible case. Since this is poetry and doesn't identify the speakers, there are multiple possible ways to read these lines, but it's reasonable to read each verse as said by one party (brother #1, brother #2, sister).
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In Jeremiah 26 there is a conversation involving six different named parties:
- Jeremiah speaks to the nation, the priests and the prophets
- The nation, the priests, and the prophets respond
- The princes of Judah hear and come
- The priests and the prophets speak to the princes and the nation
- Jeremiah speaks to the princes and the nation
- The princes and the nation speak to the priests and prophets
- The elders speak to the nation
Song of Songs 8:8-10 is another possible case. Since this is poetry and doesn't identify the speakers, there are multiple possible ways to read these lines, but it's reasonable to read each verse as said by one party (brother #1, brother #2, sister).
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In Jeremiah 26 there is a conversation involving six different named parties:
- Jeremiah speaks to the nation, the priests and the prophets
- The nation, the priests, and the prophets respond
- The princes of Judah hear and come
- The priests and the prophets speak to the princes and the nation
- Jeremiah speaks to the princes and the nation
- The princes and the nation speak to the priests and prophets
- The elders speak to the nation
Song of Songs 8:8-10 is another possible case. Since this is poetry and doesn't identify the speakers, there are multiple possible ways to read these lines, but it's reasonable to read each verse as said by one party (brother #1, brother #2, sister).
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In Jeremiah 26 there is a conversation involving six different named parties:
- Jeremiah speaks to the nation, the priests and the prophets
- The nation, the priests, and the prophets respond
- The princes of Judah hear and come
- The priests and the prophets speak to the princes and the nation
- Jeremiah speaks to the princes and the nation
- The princes and the nation speak to the priests and prophets
- The elders speak to the nation
Song of Songs 8:8-10 is another possible case. Since this is poetry and doesn't identify the speakers, there are multiple possible ways to read these lines, but it's reasonable to read each verse as said by one party (brother #1, brother #2, sister).
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This is very interesting! I can think of many examples in the Torah where you might expect a multilateral conversation, but instead, the narrative fits your pattern.
Gen. 3:9-19 might be taken as one conversation in which God, Adam, and Chava each speak, though you could also say that the verse in which Chava speaks (v. 13) is a sidebar bilateral conversation between God and her.
In Gen. 18:12-15, there appears to be a conversation including Sarah, God, and Avraham, except that Avraham is included as a direct object of God's speech, but not as a speaker himself.
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the way I read it both examples are not 3 way conversations. in Gen. 3 God first speaks with Man. That conversation ends and He speaks with Woman, then He has a monologue. in Gen. 18 its not clear to me who the vayomer in v.15 is referring but in any case there are only 2 parties actively speaking, God and Sarah.
– rikitikitembo
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This is very interesting! I can think of many examples in the Torah where you might expect a multilateral conversation, but instead, the narrative fits your pattern.
Gen. 3:9-19 might be taken as one conversation in which God, Adam, and Chava each speak, though you could also say that the verse in which Chava speaks (v. 13) is a sidebar bilateral conversation between God and her.
In Gen. 18:12-15, there appears to be a conversation including Sarah, God, and Avraham, except that Avraham is included as a direct object of God's speech, but not as a speaker himself.
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the way I read it both examples are not 3 way conversations. in Gen. 3 God first speaks with Man. That conversation ends and He speaks with Woman, then He has a monologue. in Gen. 18 its not clear to me who the vayomer in v.15 is referring but in any case there are only 2 parties actively speaking, God and Sarah.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
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This is very interesting! I can think of many examples in the Torah where you might expect a multilateral conversation, but instead, the narrative fits your pattern.
Gen. 3:9-19 might be taken as one conversation in which God, Adam, and Chava each speak, though you could also say that the verse in which Chava speaks (v. 13) is a sidebar bilateral conversation between God and her.
In Gen. 18:12-15, there appears to be a conversation including Sarah, God, and Avraham, except that Avraham is included as a direct object of God's speech, but not as a speaker himself.
answered 8 hours ago
Isaac Moses♦Isaac Moses
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This is very interesting! I can think of many examples in the Torah where you might expect a multilateral conversation, but instead, the narrative fits your pattern.
Gen. 3:9-19 might be taken as one conversation in which God, Adam, and Chava each speak, though you could also say that the verse in which Chava speaks (v. 13) is a sidebar bilateral conversation between God and her.
In Gen. 18:12-15, there appears to be a conversation including Sarah, God, and Avraham, except that Avraham is included as a direct object of God's speech, but not as a speaker himself.
answered 8 hours ago
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the way I read it both examples are not 3 way conversations. in Gen. 3 God first speaks with Man. That conversation ends and He speaks with Woman, then He has a monologue. in Gen. 18 its not clear to me who the vayomer in v.15 is referring but in any case there are only 2 parties actively speaking, God and Sarah.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
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the way I read it both examples are not 3 way conversations. in Gen. 3 God first speaks with Man. That conversation ends and He speaks with Woman, then He has a monologue. in Gen. 18 its not clear to me who the vayomer in v.15 is referring but in any case there are only 2 parties actively speaking, God and Sarah.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
1
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the way I read it both examples are not 3 way conversations. in Gen. 3 God first speaks with Man. That conversation ends and He speaks with Woman, then He has a monologue. in Gen. 18 its not clear to me who the vayomer in v.15 is referring but in any case there are only 2 parties actively speaking, God and Sarah.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
the way I read it both examples are not 3 way conversations. in Gen. 3 God first speaks with Man. That conversation ends and He speaks with Woman, then He has a monologue. in Gen. 18 its not clear to me who the vayomer in v.15 is referring but in any case there are only 2 parties actively speaking, God and Sarah.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
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There's a three-way conversation (Avimelech, Abraham, and Sara) but with only two of the participants (Avimelech and Abraham) speaking in Genesis 20:9–16. I'm not sure whether that meets your criteria.
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I'm looking for all 3 participants to be actively conversing. please let me know if that's not clear enough in the question and I will edit it.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
I think you should, actually. I'll gladly delete this answer once I know you've seen this comment.
– msh210♦
1 hour ago
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There's a three-way conversation (Avimelech, Abraham, and Sara) but with only two of the participants (Avimelech and Abraham) speaking in Genesis 20:9–16. I'm not sure whether that meets your criteria.
answered 5 hours ago
msh210♦msh210
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I'm looking for all 3 participants to be actively conversing. please let me know if that's not clear enough in the question and I will edit it.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
I think you should, actually. I'll gladly delete this answer once I know you've seen this comment.
– msh210♦
1 hour ago
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There's a three-way conversation (Avimelech, Abraham, and Sara) but with only two of the participants (Avimelech and Abraham) speaking in Genesis 20:9–16. I'm not sure whether that meets your criteria.
answered 5 hours ago
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There's a three-way conversation (Avimelech, Abraham, and Sara) but with only two of the participants (Avimelech and Abraham) speaking in Genesis 20:9–16. I'm not sure whether that meets your criteria.
answered 5 hours ago
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I'm looking for all 3 participants to be actively conversing. please let me know if that's not clear enough in the question and I will edit it.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
I think you should, actually. I'll gladly delete this answer once I know you've seen this comment.
– msh210♦
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I'm looking for all 3 participants to be actively conversing. please let me know if that's not clear enough in the question and I will edit it.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
I think you should, actually. I'll gladly delete this answer once I know you've seen this comment.
– msh210♦
1 hour ago
I'm looking for all 3 participants to be actively conversing. please let me know if that's not clear enough in the question and I will edit it.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
I'm looking for all 3 participants to be actively conversing. please let me know if that's not clear enough in the question and I will edit it.
– rikitikitembo
3 hours ago
I think you should, actually. I'll gladly delete this answer once I know you've seen this comment.
– msh210♦
1 hour ago
I think you should, actually. I'll gladly delete this answer once I know you've seen this comment.
– msh210♦
1 hour ago
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I would imagine professors Cassuto or Alter have discussed this
– rikitikitembo
8 hours ago
2
Esther 7 perhaps?
– Double AA♦
8 hours ago
The naar, Yehoshua, and Moshe about Eldad and Meidad?
– Heshy
8 hours ago
I encourage you to post a follow-up question about the significance of this pattern. If you don't want to, let me know, and I'll do it.
– Isaac Moses♦
8 hours ago
1
R Yoel Bin Nun thinks nearly all of Kohelet is a conversation of many speakers (hence the name קהלת like קהל)
– Double AA♦
8 hours ago