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Strange interview/application process - bait and switch?
As a Interviewer, how do I keep track of Interview impressions?Contact the Employer after Recruiter lowers the Salary Amount?Should I contact my short-term work recruiter when the client wants to hire me?Recruiter called up twice to tell me what the interview questions are. Suspicious?References Checked Without Candidates KnowledgeApplied for a job, how to reject request to full in an application form?Interview optics: Telling an interviewer that I have already accepted an offer elsewhereWhat to make of recruiters reply after interviewRecruiter says SRE roles all filled, but they're looking for a role for me. What should I do?Interview was just a one hour panel. Got an offer the next day; do I accept or is this a red flag?
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I started an interview process (software) with large corporation and I told the recruiter that I am primarily interested in leadership positions. He said great, but the interview panel will consider you for other roles. In order to get the onsite scheduled, the recruiter was very specific that I fill out a job application for a basic software engineer. Even after I told him that I already filled an application for the leadership position that I am interested in. The recruiter claims this is part of an internal process, but I wonder if this seems like a bait and switch where they will try to rail road me into regular developer position. Has this kind of process ever happened to anyone? In the past, whenever I am asked to fill out a job application prior to on site, it was always for the exact position (including title) that I am interested in.
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I started an interview process (software) with large corporation and I told the recruiter that I am primarily interested in leadership positions. He said great, but the interview panel will consider you for other roles. In order to get the onsite scheduled, the recruiter was very specific that I fill out a job application for a basic software engineer. Even after I told him that I already filled an application for the leadership position that I am interested in. The recruiter claims this is part of an internal process, but I wonder if this seems like a bait and switch where they will try to rail road me into regular developer position. Has this kind of process ever happened to anyone? In the past, whenever I am asked to fill out a job application prior to on site, it was always for the exact position (including title) that I am interested in.
interviewing recruitment
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When you say "recruiter" are you talking about an independent third party recruiter? Or a recruiter who works for the HR department of this employer?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
Is there a leadership position open at this company?
– sf02
5 hours ago
Never hurts to interview. Always good to get practice, as well as to make contacts in a company. I'd absolutely go for the interview. If they don't offer you the position you want, you decline it.
– Keith
5 hours ago
This is an internal recruiter - employed by the company. There are multiple openings at the company from leadership to senior dev to junior devs.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
A similar thing happened to me. I showed up to an interview for a leadership position. I was given a highly technical interview (when I was told I would not be given one). In the end, the position was given to a non-technical woman who didn't have to pass a technical interview.
– Stephan Branczyk
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I started an interview process (software) with large corporation and I told the recruiter that I am primarily interested in leadership positions. He said great, but the interview panel will consider you for other roles. In order to get the onsite scheduled, the recruiter was very specific that I fill out a job application for a basic software engineer. Even after I told him that I already filled an application for the leadership position that I am interested in. The recruiter claims this is part of an internal process, but I wonder if this seems like a bait and switch where they will try to rail road me into regular developer position. Has this kind of process ever happened to anyone? In the past, whenever I am asked to fill out a job application prior to on site, it was always for the exact position (including title) that I am interested in.
interviewing recruitment
edited 18 mins ago
Joe Strazzere
265k142 gold badges803 silver badges1094 bronze badges
asked 5 hours ago
laconicdevlaconicdev
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I started an interview process (software) with large corporation and I told the recruiter that I am primarily interested in leadership positions. He said great, but the interview panel will consider you for other roles. In order to get the onsite scheduled, the recruiter was very specific that I fill out a job application for a basic software engineer. Even after I told him that I already filled an application for the leadership position that I am interested in. The recruiter claims this is part of an internal process, but I wonder if this seems like a bait and switch where they will try to rail road me into regular developer position. Has this kind of process ever happened to anyone? In the past, whenever I am asked to fill out a job application prior to on site, it was always for the exact position (including title) that I am interested in.
interviewing recruitment
interviewing recruitment
edited 18 mins ago
Joe Strazzere
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asked 5 hours ago
laconicdevlaconicdev
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edited 18 mins ago
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edited 18 mins ago
Joe Strazzere
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When you say "recruiter" are you talking about an independent third party recruiter? Or a recruiter who works for the HR department of this employer?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
Is there a leadership position open at this company?
– sf02
5 hours ago
Never hurts to interview. Always good to get practice, as well as to make contacts in a company. I'd absolutely go for the interview. If they don't offer you the position you want, you decline it.
– Keith
5 hours ago
This is an internal recruiter - employed by the company. There are multiple openings at the company from leadership to senior dev to junior devs.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
A similar thing happened to me. I showed up to an interview for a leadership position. I was given a highly technical interview (when I was told I would not be given one). In the end, the position was given to a non-technical woman who didn't have to pass a technical interview.
– Stephan Branczyk
1 hour ago
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3
When you say "recruiter" are you talking about an independent third party recruiter? Or a recruiter who works for the HR department of this employer?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
Is there a leadership position open at this company?
– sf02
5 hours ago
Never hurts to interview. Always good to get practice, as well as to make contacts in a company. I'd absolutely go for the interview. If they don't offer you the position you want, you decline it.
– Keith
5 hours ago
This is an internal recruiter - employed by the company. There are multiple openings at the company from leadership to senior dev to junior devs.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
A similar thing happened to me. I showed up to an interview for a leadership position. I was given a highly technical interview (when I was told I would not be given one). In the end, the position was given to a non-technical woman who didn't have to pass a technical interview.
– Stephan Branczyk
1 hour ago
3
3
When you say "recruiter" are you talking about an independent third party recruiter? Or a recruiter who works for the HR department of this employer?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
When you say "recruiter" are you talking about an independent third party recruiter? Or a recruiter who works for the HR department of this employer?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
Is there a leadership position open at this company?
– sf02
5 hours ago
Is there a leadership position open at this company?
– sf02
5 hours ago
Never hurts to interview. Always good to get practice, as well as to make contacts in a company. I'd absolutely go for the interview. If they don't offer you the position you want, you decline it.
– Keith
5 hours ago
Never hurts to interview. Always good to get practice, as well as to make contacts in a company. I'd absolutely go for the interview. If they don't offer you the position you want, you decline it.
– Keith
5 hours ago
This is an internal recruiter - employed by the company. There are multiple openings at the company from leadership to senior dev to junior devs.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
This is an internal recruiter - employed by the company. There are multiple openings at the company from leadership to senior dev to junior devs.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
A similar thing happened to me. I showed up to an interview for a leadership position. I was given a highly technical interview (when I was told I would not be given one). In the end, the position was given to a non-technical woman who didn't have to pass a technical interview.
– Stephan Branczyk
1 hour ago
A similar thing happened to me. I showed up to an interview for a leadership position. I was given a highly technical interview (when I was told I would not be given one). In the end, the position was given to a non-technical woman who didn't have to pass a technical interview.
– Stephan Branczyk
1 hour ago
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Normally, you would not be formally "baited and switched", but a few word-of-mouth catches are not so rare AFAIK.
Either way, you can refuse whatever proposal you receive that you dislike and I wouldn't think it's a waste of time to go through the process even if you are not interested in the job. I would strongly suggest to give the same desired salary in both applications.
Recruiters are mindful not to give you shitty offers (i.e. much lower salary than your current/expected compensation) since they look bad when a candidate refuses an offer.
However, some companies have processes where at least three candidates need to be appointed by a recruiter/prospective manager and the list sent to upper management for approval. The recruiter might be asking you to apply for a position you don't want just because he needs to complete the list. If it is a very long hiring process with group dynamics or whatever and you can't waste that much time, you may consider asking the recruiter if that's the case before you need to take days off your current job for a useless interview. Even then, consider that the recruiter might be in a tough spot to find applicants and may remember you in the future if you help him out and keep it cool.
Consider as well: Why do you want a leadership role? Is it just because of the higher salary? Do you have experience in leadership positions? It is not uncommon to avoid hiring people directly into management (and leadership may not necessarily be management) positions, especially if the candidate has no true experience in such a role. Then, after a trial period, the candidate may be promoted. Could you wait 1-2 years before being given your desired leadership role?
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I wonder if this seems like a bait and switch where they will try to
rail road me into regular developer position.
They can't "railroad" you into anything. If they don't offer you an interview for the position you desire than don't interview with them. You're in control of which types of positions you interview for. If it seems like a bait-and-switch then simply walk away from it.
answered 4 hours ago
joeqwertyjoeqwerty
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Perhaps "railroad" was a bit of a strong term. I meant that since the recruiter knows I want to interview for the leadership, but can structure the interview/application so it's for line developer.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
add a comment |
This would be my answer:
I'm sorry. I can't fill out this second application.
I've been interviewed for the wrong position before.
It wasn't a good feeling.
I understand if this hurts my chances of being considered for the leadership position.
Whatever you decide. I wish you well.
I'm not expecting many people to agree with this answer, but honestly, this is what I would respond.
answered 44 mins ago
Stephan BranczykStephan Branczyk
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Normally, you would not be formally "baited and switched", but a few word-of-mouth catches are not so rare AFAIK.
Either way, you can refuse whatever proposal you receive that you dislike and I wouldn't think it's a waste of time to go through the process even if you are not interested in the job. I would strongly suggest to give the same desired salary in both applications.
Recruiters are mindful not to give you shitty offers (i.e. much lower salary than your current/expected compensation) since they look bad when a candidate refuses an offer.
However, some companies have processes where at least three candidates need to be appointed by a recruiter/prospective manager and the list sent to upper management for approval. The recruiter might be asking you to apply for a position you don't want just because he needs to complete the list. If it is a very long hiring process with group dynamics or whatever and you can't waste that much time, you may consider asking the recruiter if that's the case before you need to take days off your current job for a useless interview. Even then, consider that the recruiter might be in a tough spot to find applicants and may remember you in the future if you help him out and keep it cool.
Consider as well: Why do you want a leadership role? Is it just because of the higher salary? Do you have experience in leadership positions? It is not uncommon to avoid hiring people directly into management (and leadership may not necessarily be management) positions, especially if the candidate has no true experience in such a role. Then, after a trial period, the candidate may be promoted. Could you wait 1-2 years before being given your desired leadership role?
edited 37 mins ago
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Normally, you would not be formally "baited and switched", but a few word-of-mouth catches are not so rare AFAIK.
Either way, you can refuse whatever proposal you receive that you dislike and I wouldn't think it's a waste of time to go through the process even if you are not interested in the job. I would strongly suggest to give the same desired salary in both applications.
Recruiters are mindful not to give you shitty offers (i.e. much lower salary than your current/expected compensation) since they look bad when a candidate refuses an offer.
However, some companies have processes where at least three candidates need to be appointed by a recruiter/prospective manager and the list sent to upper management for approval. The recruiter might be asking you to apply for a position you don't want just because he needs to complete the list. If it is a very long hiring process with group dynamics or whatever and you can't waste that much time, you may consider asking the recruiter if that's the case before you need to take days off your current job for a useless interview. Even then, consider that the recruiter might be in a tough spot to find applicants and may remember you in the future if you help him out and keep it cool.
Consider as well: Why do you want a leadership role? Is it just because of the higher salary? Do you have experience in leadership positions? It is not uncommon to avoid hiring people directly into management (and leadership may not necessarily be management) positions, especially if the candidate has no true experience in such a role. Then, after a trial period, the candidate may be promoted. Could you wait 1-2 years before being given your desired leadership role?
edited 37 mins ago
Grant
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answered 4 hours ago
MefiticoMefitico
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add a comment |
Normally, you would not be formally "baited and switched", but a few word-of-mouth catches are not so rare AFAIK.
Either way, you can refuse whatever proposal you receive that you dislike and I wouldn't think it's a waste of time to go through the process even if you are not interested in the job. I would strongly suggest to give the same desired salary in both applications.
Recruiters are mindful not to give you shitty offers (i.e. much lower salary than your current/expected compensation) since they look bad when a candidate refuses an offer.
However, some companies have processes where at least three candidates need to be appointed by a recruiter/prospective manager and the list sent to upper management for approval. The recruiter might be asking you to apply for a position you don't want just because he needs to complete the list. If it is a very long hiring process with group dynamics or whatever and you can't waste that much time, you may consider asking the recruiter if that's the case before you need to take days off your current job for a useless interview. Even then, consider that the recruiter might be in a tough spot to find applicants and may remember you in the future if you help him out and keep it cool.
Consider as well: Why do you want a leadership role? Is it just because of the higher salary? Do you have experience in leadership positions? It is not uncommon to avoid hiring people directly into management (and leadership may not necessarily be management) positions, especially if the candidate has no true experience in such a role. Then, after a trial period, the candidate may be promoted. Could you wait 1-2 years before being given your desired leadership role?
edited 37 mins ago
Grant
31 bronze badge
answered 4 hours ago
MefiticoMefitico
1,1901 gold badge4 silver badges16 bronze badges
Normally, you would not be formally "baited and switched", but a few word-of-mouth catches are not so rare AFAIK.
Either way, you can refuse whatever proposal you receive that you dislike and I wouldn't think it's a waste of time to go through the process even if you are not interested in the job. I would strongly suggest to give the same desired salary in both applications.
Recruiters are mindful not to give you shitty offers (i.e. much lower salary than your current/expected compensation) since they look bad when a candidate refuses an offer.
However, some companies have processes where at least three candidates need to be appointed by a recruiter/prospective manager and the list sent to upper management for approval. The recruiter might be asking you to apply for a position you don't want just because he needs to complete the list. If it is a very long hiring process with group dynamics or whatever and you can't waste that much time, you may consider asking the recruiter if that's the case before you need to take days off your current job for a useless interview. Even then, consider that the recruiter might be in a tough spot to find applicants and may remember you in the future if you help him out and keep it cool.
Consider as well: Why do you want a leadership role? Is it just because of the higher salary? Do you have experience in leadership positions? It is not uncommon to avoid hiring people directly into management (and leadership may not necessarily be management) positions, especially if the candidate has no true experience in such a role. Then, after a trial period, the candidate may be promoted. Could you wait 1-2 years before being given your desired leadership role?
edited 37 mins ago
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answered 4 hours ago
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I wonder if this seems like a bait and switch where they will try to
rail road me into regular developer position.
They can't "railroad" you into anything. If they don't offer you an interview for the position you desire than don't interview with them. You're in control of which types of positions you interview for. If it seems like a bait-and-switch then simply walk away from it.
answered 4 hours ago
joeqwertyjoeqwerty
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Perhaps "railroad" was a bit of a strong term. I meant that since the recruiter knows I want to interview for the leadership, but can structure the interview/application so it's for line developer.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I wonder if this seems like a bait and switch where they will try to
rail road me into regular developer position.
They can't "railroad" you into anything. If they don't offer you an interview for the position you desire than don't interview with them. You're in control of which types of positions you interview for. If it seems like a bait-and-switch then simply walk away from it.
answered 4 hours ago
joeqwertyjoeqwerty
6,9253 gold badges10 silver badges32 bronze badges
Perhaps "railroad" was a bit of a strong term. I meant that since the recruiter knows I want to interview for the leadership, but can structure the interview/application so it's for line developer.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I wonder if this seems like a bait and switch where they will try to
rail road me into regular developer position.
They can't "railroad" you into anything. If they don't offer you an interview for the position you desire than don't interview with them. You're in control of which types of positions you interview for. If it seems like a bait-and-switch then simply walk away from it.
answered 4 hours ago
joeqwertyjoeqwerty
6,9253 gold badges10 silver badges32 bronze badges
I wonder if this seems like a bait and switch where they will try to
rail road me into regular developer position.
They can't "railroad" you into anything. If they don't offer you an interview for the position you desire than don't interview with them. You're in control of which types of positions you interview for. If it seems like a bait-and-switch then simply walk away from it.
answered 4 hours ago
joeqwertyjoeqwerty
6,9253 gold badges10 silver badges32 bronze badges
answered 4 hours ago
joeqwertyjoeqwerty
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answered 4 hours ago
joeqwertyjoeqwerty
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answered 4 hours ago
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Perhaps "railroad" was a bit of a strong term. I meant that since the recruiter knows I want to interview for the leadership, but can structure the interview/application so it's for line developer.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Perhaps "railroad" was a bit of a strong term. I meant that since the recruiter knows I want to interview for the leadership, but can structure the interview/application so it's for line developer.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
Perhaps "railroad" was a bit of a strong term. I meant that since the recruiter knows I want to interview for the leadership, but can structure the interview/application so it's for line developer.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
Perhaps "railroad" was a bit of a strong term. I meant that since the recruiter knows I want to interview for the leadership, but can structure the interview/application so it's for line developer.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
add a comment |
This would be my answer:
I'm sorry. I can't fill out this second application.
I've been interviewed for the wrong position before.
It wasn't a good feeling.
I understand if this hurts my chances of being considered for the leadership position.
Whatever you decide. I wish you well.
I'm not expecting many people to agree with this answer, but honestly, this is what I would respond.
answered 44 mins ago
Stephan BranczykStephan Branczyk
13k7 gold badges28 silver badges54 bronze badges
add a comment |
This would be my answer:
I'm sorry. I can't fill out this second application.
I've been interviewed for the wrong position before.
It wasn't a good feeling.
I understand if this hurts my chances of being considered for the leadership position.
Whatever you decide. I wish you well.
I'm not expecting many people to agree with this answer, but honestly, this is what I would respond.
answered 44 mins ago
Stephan BranczykStephan Branczyk
13k7 gold badges28 silver badges54 bronze badges
add a comment |
This would be my answer:
I'm sorry. I can't fill out this second application.
I've been interviewed for the wrong position before.
It wasn't a good feeling.
I understand if this hurts my chances of being considered for the leadership position.
Whatever you decide. I wish you well.
I'm not expecting many people to agree with this answer, but honestly, this is what I would respond.
answered 44 mins ago
Stephan BranczykStephan Branczyk
13k7 gold badges28 silver badges54 bronze badges
This would be my answer:
I'm sorry. I can't fill out this second application.
I've been interviewed for the wrong position before.
It wasn't a good feeling.
I understand if this hurts my chances of being considered for the leadership position.
Whatever you decide. I wish you well.
I'm not expecting many people to agree with this answer, but honestly, this is what I would respond.
answered 44 mins ago
Stephan BranczykStephan Branczyk
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When you say "recruiter" are you talking about an independent third party recruiter? Or a recruiter who works for the HR department of this employer?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
Is there a leadership position open at this company?
– sf02
5 hours ago
Never hurts to interview. Always good to get practice, as well as to make contacts in a company. I'd absolutely go for the interview. If they don't offer you the position you want, you decline it.
– Keith
5 hours ago
This is an internal recruiter - employed by the company. There are multiple openings at the company from leadership to senior dev to junior devs.
– laconicdev
1 hour ago
A similar thing happened to me. I showed up to an interview for a leadership position. I was given a highly technical interview (when I was told I would not be given one). In the end, the position was given to a non-technical woman who didn't have to pass a technical interview.
– Stephan Branczyk
1 hour ago