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Why do they consider the Ori false gods?
In the Stargate episode 'Secrets', why did they not attempt to take Sha're back to Cimmeria?Children of the Gods plot inconsistency?Did Daniel (briefly) ascend at the end of “Threads”?Why are the Egyptian Gods the top Gods?When Sokar was attacking the Earth using the beam, why didn't they obstruct the gate?Why didn't the Ori invade Pegasus as well as the Milky Way?Why didn't the Ori attack earth in “The Ark of Truth”?Where does the name Ori come from?Have we ever seen a Stargate in the Ori galaxy or isn't there one at all?Pro-mortal mythological gods = Tau'ri allies?
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Throughout Stargate seasons 9 and 10 they spend the time fighting the crusade of the Ori. They mention several times that 'the Ori are not gods.' I think that Dr Daniel Jackson mentions several times something to the effect that they are just 'beings with a higher understanding of the universe' who 'live on a higher plane of existence than we do.'
Now, several religions I know of mention the ability for mortals to ascend in the same manner, gain those same powers and knowledge, and become gods themselves. So, why do they consider the Ori to be false gods?
They are declared as non-omniscient, but not all gods in mythology are so that isn't needed to be a god. They do have god-like powers, including the creation of life itself, seemingly from nothing.
So, from my what I can figure, the Ori are infact gods, albeit malevolent ones, so why are they so adamant that they are not gods?
stargate-sg1
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Throughout Stargate seasons 9 and 10 they spend the time fighting the crusade of the Ori. They mention several times that 'the Ori are not gods.' I think that Dr Daniel Jackson mentions several times something to the effect that they are just 'beings with a higher understanding of the universe' who 'live on a higher plane of existence than we do.'
Now, several religions I know of mention the ability for mortals to ascend in the same manner, gain those same powers and knowledge, and become gods themselves. So, why do they consider the Ori to be false gods?
They are declared as non-omniscient, but not all gods in mythology are so that isn't needed to be a god. They do have god-like powers, including the creation of life itself, seemingly from nothing.
So, from my what I can figure, the Ori are infact gods, albeit malevolent ones, so why are they so adamant that they are not gods?
stargate-sg1
5
Hallowed are the Ori.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
5
Hallowed are the Children of the Ori
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
3
On a lot of science fiction shows, such as Star Trek, the characters take a very unusual attitude toward divinity. They may meet entities that are effectively omniscient, omnipotent, or even omnibenevolent, or whose abilities defy the laws of physics, or even are obvious analogies for Earth religions, yet such entities will never be considered divine. Stargate is just a continuation of this trend.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
It's pretty traditional to label the gods of enemies... or enemy gods, I suppose, as "false". This is more about enmity than divinity, in this way the idea of an enemy god (one I don't follow) is equated to not a real god (one you shouldn't be following). Often spills over to gods that are "just" foreign, too.
– Megha
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Throughout Stargate seasons 9 and 10 they spend the time fighting the crusade of the Ori. They mention several times that 'the Ori are not gods.' I think that Dr Daniel Jackson mentions several times something to the effect that they are just 'beings with a higher understanding of the universe' who 'live on a higher plane of existence than we do.'
Now, several religions I know of mention the ability for mortals to ascend in the same manner, gain those same powers and knowledge, and become gods themselves. So, why do they consider the Ori to be false gods?
They are declared as non-omniscient, but not all gods in mythology are so that isn't needed to be a god. They do have god-like powers, including the creation of life itself, seemingly from nothing.
So, from my what I can figure, the Ori are infact gods, albeit malevolent ones, so why are they so adamant that they are not gods?
stargate-sg1
Throughout Stargate seasons 9 and 10 they spend the time fighting the crusade of the Ori. They mention several times that 'the Ori are not gods.' I think that Dr Daniel Jackson mentions several times something to the effect that they are just 'beings with a higher understanding of the universe' who 'live on a higher plane of existence than we do.'
Now, several religions I know of mention the ability for mortals to ascend in the same manner, gain those same powers and knowledge, and become gods themselves. So, why do they consider the Ori to be false gods?
They are declared as non-omniscient, but not all gods in mythology are so that isn't needed to be a god. They do have god-like powers, including the creation of life itself, seemingly from nothing.
So, from my what I can figure, the Ori are infact gods, albeit malevolent ones, so why are they so adamant that they are not gods?
stargate-sg1
stargate-sg1
asked 8 hours ago
DaishozenDaishozen
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5
Hallowed are the Ori.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
5
Hallowed are the Children of the Ori
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
3
On a lot of science fiction shows, such as Star Trek, the characters take a very unusual attitude toward divinity. They may meet entities that are effectively omniscient, omnipotent, or even omnibenevolent, or whose abilities defy the laws of physics, or even are obvious analogies for Earth religions, yet such entities will never be considered divine. Stargate is just a continuation of this trend.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
It's pretty traditional to label the gods of enemies... or enemy gods, I suppose, as "false". This is more about enmity than divinity, in this way the idea of an enemy god (one I don't follow) is equated to not a real god (one you shouldn't be following). Often spills over to gods that are "just" foreign, too.
– Megha
3 hours ago
add a comment |
5
Hallowed are the Ori.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
5
Hallowed are the Children of the Ori
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
3
On a lot of science fiction shows, such as Star Trek, the characters take a very unusual attitude toward divinity. They may meet entities that are effectively omniscient, omnipotent, or even omnibenevolent, or whose abilities defy the laws of physics, or even are obvious analogies for Earth religions, yet such entities will never be considered divine. Stargate is just a continuation of this trend.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
It's pretty traditional to label the gods of enemies... or enemy gods, I suppose, as "false". This is more about enmity than divinity, in this way the idea of an enemy god (one I don't follow) is equated to not a real god (one you shouldn't be following). Often spills over to gods that are "just" foreign, too.
– Megha
3 hours ago
5
5
Hallowed are the Ori.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
Hallowed are the Ori.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
5
5
Hallowed are the Children of the Ori
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
Hallowed are the Children of the Ori
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
3
3
On a lot of science fiction shows, such as Star Trek, the characters take a very unusual attitude toward divinity. They may meet entities that are effectively omniscient, omnipotent, or even omnibenevolent, or whose abilities defy the laws of physics, or even are obvious analogies for Earth religions, yet such entities will never be considered divine. Stargate is just a continuation of this trend.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
On a lot of science fiction shows, such as Star Trek, the characters take a very unusual attitude toward divinity. They may meet entities that are effectively omniscient, omnipotent, or even omnibenevolent, or whose abilities defy the laws of physics, or even are obvious analogies for Earth religions, yet such entities will never be considered divine. Stargate is just a continuation of this trend.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
It's pretty traditional to label the gods of enemies... or enemy gods, I suppose, as "false". This is more about enmity than divinity, in this way the idea of an enemy god (one I don't follow) is equated to not a real god (one you shouldn't be following). Often spills over to gods that are "just" foreign, too.
– Megha
3 hours ago
It's pretty traditional to label the gods of enemies... or enemy gods, I suppose, as "false". This is more about enmity than divinity, in this way the idea of an enemy god (one I don't follow) is equated to not a real god (one you shouldn't be following). Often spills over to gods that are "just" foreign, too.
– Megha
3 hours ago
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TLDR
- It is all based on perspective.
- The SGC considers them false gods because they only achieved their state through knowledge.
- Everyone has the potential to ascend eventually... then they would all be gods.
- Knowledge does not equal god...
I won't touch the idea of good or evil with my answer since it is entirely possible to be both an evil or good god...
So it is basically just because of perspective. It depends on how you view the situation yourself. You see that the Ori appear to check off the boxes of what makes a being a god like creature. The SGC sees it quite differently. They see the Ori as having a greater understanding of how the universe works, simply being more knowledgeable.
From the perspective of the SGC if the only reason the Ori are 'gods' is because they have learned how to become what they are, then everyone has that ability. Therefore, everyone can be a god. i.e. Knowing more about how the universe works should not be the premise for what defines a god.
In addition, look at what the defines an ascended being. They live without a form, but can still both live and die. They know what they knew when they ascended and a little more they figured out the way, so they are still learning. They can manipulate matter (fire, make restaurants, etc.) with what they have learned and so they can do things.
These are all just heightened abilities of what a normal living being can do. Compare me to my dog. My dog can live and die, she can both know and learn things, and she can do things (lick herself, chase her tail, etc.). Now, I can do a bunch of things that she could never fathom to understanding. I [could] fly a space shuttle, throw her from a plane (in a parachute), or so many other things that seem unimaginable to her.
Just because I understand these things and she does not, does not make me a god. It means I have a greater understanding of how the universe works. The only difference between humanity and the Ori is that we have a greater understanding and so we know just how much more intelligent they are in comparison!
2
It's worth noting that knowledge is in fact one of the traditional qualifications for a deity, and in fact in many monotheistic theologies omniscience is one the defining factors of God.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
1
@Adamant - And that is why it is all based on perspective. If you define someone as a god, then they are. However, if you don't, then they aren't. The Alterans do not view themselves as gods, but the Ori do. Does that mean that the Ori are gods, but the Alterans arn't? They are the same...
– Odin1806
8 hours ago
1
From my perspective, they both self-evidently are. It's just that, as a consequence of being written by either devoted Christians or devoted anti-theists, the shows would rather posit otherwise.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
'From my perspective' is exactly my point. I do not see either of them as gods... from my perspective. Sure they have greater abilities than I do, but [in the show] I could do that one day. I am not a god now, but I could be if I learned something? That seems awfully easy to gain that status. To me, a god should be something unimaginably unobtainable. - In addition, what would Daniel be? He did ascend, but came back... was he a god? If so, is he still?
– Odin1806
7 hours ago
1
A child can turn into an adult, but a child is not an adult. An atom of lead can turn into an atom of gold (and some byproducts) through nuclear transmutation, but lead is not gold. Why should it be strange that a human could become a god?
– Adamant
7 hours ago
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This is addressed extensively throughout the final seasons of Stargate. The Ori are certainly powerful ascended beings, but simply being an ascended doesn't make you a god, at least to those with sufficient advancement to (broadly) understand the process by which one can ascend.
TEAL'C: One of the Ancients returned to human form to warn us that the Ori gain strength by sapping the power from their followers. That is why they seek our support! The Ori are not some benevolent gods, offering you the path to enlightenment. They are but manipulative beings who will use you and discard you once you have served their purpose.
SG-1: The Fourth Horseman, Part II
You may also want to note that although the Ori certainly do exist, their interaction with their followers is extremely minimal. Most of their worshippers come to the decision to worship the Ori as a result of a mixture of threats of violence and "magical" acts performed by their hired goons, the Priors of the Ori.
HAIKON: The Prior has healed our sick. Caused our crops to grow as if by magic. Why should I doubt the power of the Ori?
MITCHELL: Look, their power is not what you should question. It's how they use it. Anyone refuses to worship them, and they die. And I'm
not talking about a few non-believers here and there. I'm talking
about whole planets wiped out!
HAIKON: And I should simply take your word for this?
MITCHELL: You want to believe my people are godless and inferior? Go right ahead. But we have never needed proof of our gods' existence in order to believe in them. Faith. It was your faith that sustained you for five thousand years, not the Ancients themselves. Don't throw your history away for a bag full of magic tricks.
SG-1: Babylon
1
Right, but the process of ascension as described in Stargate is very similar to other religious teaching where the followers are able to become gods.
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
3
@Daishozen - Yes, powerful beings can seem god-like to less advances cultures. But that doesn't make them gods.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
1
So I guess, a follow up question would be what would the stargate definition of a 'real god' be?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
@Daishozen - Cameron Mitchell appears to be some flavour of Christian
– Valorum
8 hours ago
So, basically they are saying you are either God, or an imposter? Polytheism is not a possibility?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
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TLDR
- It is all based on perspective.
- The SGC considers them false gods because they only achieved their state through knowledge.
- Everyone has the potential to ascend eventually... then they would all be gods.
- Knowledge does not equal god...
I won't touch the idea of good or evil with my answer since it is entirely possible to be both an evil or good god...
So it is basically just because of perspective. It depends on how you view the situation yourself. You see that the Ori appear to check off the boxes of what makes a being a god like creature. The SGC sees it quite differently. They see the Ori as having a greater understanding of how the universe works, simply being more knowledgeable.
From the perspective of the SGC if the only reason the Ori are 'gods' is because they have learned how to become what they are, then everyone has that ability. Therefore, everyone can be a god. i.e. Knowing more about how the universe works should not be the premise for what defines a god.
In addition, look at what the defines an ascended being. They live without a form, but can still both live and die. They know what they knew when they ascended and a little more they figured out the way, so they are still learning. They can manipulate matter (fire, make restaurants, etc.) with what they have learned and so they can do things.
These are all just heightened abilities of what a normal living being can do. Compare me to my dog. My dog can live and die, she can both know and learn things, and she can do things (lick herself, chase her tail, etc.). Now, I can do a bunch of things that she could never fathom to understanding. I [could] fly a space shuttle, throw her from a plane (in a parachute), or so many other things that seem unimaginable to her.
Just because I understand these things and she does not, does not make me a god. It means I have a greater understanding of how the universe works. The only difference between humanity and the Ori is that we have a greater understanding and so we know just how much more intelligent they are in comparison!
2
It's worth noting that knowledge is in fact one of the traditional qualifications for a deity, and in fact in many monotheistic theologies omniscience is one the defining factors of God.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
1
@Adamant - And that is why it is all based on perspective. If you define someone as a god, then they are. However, if you don't, then they aren't. The Alterans do not view themselves as gods, but the Ori do. Does that mean that the Ori are gods, but the Alterans arn't? They are the same...
– Odin1806
8 hours ago
1
From my perspective, they both self-evidently are. It's just that, as a consequence of being written by either devoted Christians or devoted anti-theists, the shows would rather posit otherwise.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
'From my perspective' is exactly my point. I do not see either of them as gods... from my perspective. Sure they have greater abilities than I do, but [in the show] I could do that one day. I am not a god now, but I could be if I learned something? That seems awfully easy to gain that status. To me, a god should be something unimaginably unobtainable. - In addition, what would Daniel be? He did ascend, but came back... was he a god? If so, is he still?
– Odin1806
7 hours ago
1
A child can turn into an adult, but a child is not an adult. An atom of lead can turn into an atom of gold (and some byproducts) through nuclear transmutation, but lead is not gold. Why should it be strange that a human could become a god?
– Adamant
7 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
TLDR
- It is all based on perspective.
- The SGC considers them false gods because they only achieved their state through knowledge.
- Everyone has the potential to ascend eventually... then they would all be gods.
- Knowledge does not equal god...
I won't touch the idea of good or evil with my answer since it is entirely possible to be both an evil or good god...
So it is basically just because of perspective. It depends on how you view the situation yourself. You see that the Ori appear to check off the boxes of what makes a being a god like creature. The SGC sees it quite differently. They see the Ori as having a greater understanding of how the universe works, simply being more knowledgeable.
From the perspective of the SGC if the only reason the Ori are 'gods' is because they have learned how to become what they are, then everyone has that ability. Therefore, everyone can be a god. i.e. Knowing more about how the universe works should not be the premise for what defines a god.
In addition, look at what the defines an ascended being. They live without a form, but can still both live and die. They know what they knew when they ascended and a little more they figured out the way, so they are still learning. They can manipulate matter (fire, make restaurants, etc.) with what they have learned and so they can do things.
These are all just heightened abilities of what a normal living being can do. Compare me to my dog. My dog can live and die, she can both know and learn things, and she can do things (lick herself, chase her tail, etc.). Now, I can do a bunch of things that she could never fathom to understanding. I [could] fly a space shuttle, throw her from a plane (in a parachute), or so many other things that seem unimaginable to her.
Just because I understand these things and she does not, does not make me a god. It means I have a greater understanding of how the universe works. The only difference between humanity and the Ori is that we have a greater understanding and so we know just how much more intelligent they are in comparison!
2
It's worth noting that knowledge is in fact one of the traditional qualifications for a deity, and in fact in many monotheistic theologies omniscience is one the defining factors of God.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
1
@Adamant - And that is why it is all based on perspective. If you define someone as a god, then they are. However, if you don't, then they aren't. The Alterans do not view themselves as gods, but the Ori do. Does that mean that the Ori are gods, but the Alterans arn't? They are the same...
– Odin1806
8 hours ago
1
From my perspective, they both self-evidently are. It's just that, as a consequence of being written by either devoted Christians or devoted anti-theists, the shows would rather posit otherwise.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
'From my perspective' is exactly my point. I do not see either of them as gods... from my perspective. Sure they have greater abilities than I do, but [in the show] I could do that one day. I am not a god now, but I could be if I learned something? That seems awfully easy to gain that status. To me, a god should be something unimaginably unobtainable. - In addition, what would Daniel be? He did ascend, but came back... was he a god? If so, is he still?
– Odin1806
7 hours ago
1
A child can turn into an adult, but a child is not an adult. An atom of lead can turn into an atom of gold (and some byproducts) through nuclear transmutation, but lead is not gold. Why should it be strange that a human could become a god?
– Adamant
7 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
TLDR
- It is all based on perspective.
- The SGC considers them false gods because they only achieved their state through knowledge.
- Everyone has the potential to ascend eventually... then they would all be gods.
- Knowledge does not equal god...
I won't touch the idea of good or evil with my answer since it is entirely possible to be both an evil or good god...
So it is basically just because of perspective. It depends on how you view the situation yourself. You see that the Ori appear to check off the boxes of what makes a being a god like creature. The SGC sees it quite differently. They see the Ori as having a greater understanding of how the universe works, simply being more knowledgeable.
From the perspective of the SGC if the only reason the Ori are 'gods' is because they have learned how to become what they are, then everyone has that ability. Therefore, everyone can be a god. i.e. Knowing more about how the universe works should not be the premise for what defines a god.
In addition, look at what the defines an ascended being. They live without a form, but can still both live and die. They know what they knew when they ascended and a little more they figured out the way, so they are still learning. They can manipulate matter (fire, make restaurants, etc.) with what they have learned and so they can do things.
These are all just heightened abilities of what a normal living being can do. Compare me to my dog. My dog can live and die, she can both know and learn things, and she can do things (lick herself, chase her tail, etc.). Now, I can do a bunch of things that she could never fathom to understanding. I [could] fly a space shuttle, throw her from a plane (in a parachute), or so many other things that seem unimaginable to her.
Just because I understand these things and she does not, does not make me a god. It means I have a greater understanding of how the universe works. The only difference between humanity and the Ori is that we have a greater understanding and so we know just how much more intelligent they are in comparison!
TLDR
- It is all based on perspective.
- The SGC considers them false gods because they only achieved their state through knowledge.
- Everyone has the potential to ascend eventually... then they would all be gods.
- Knowledge does not equal god...
I won't touch the idea of good or evil with my answer since it is entirely possible to be both an evil or good god...
So it is basically just because of perspective. It depends on how you view the situation yourself. You see that the Ori appear to check off the boxes of what makes a being a god like creature. The SGC sees it quite differently. They see the Ori as having a greater understanding of how the universe works, simply being more knowledgeable.
From the perspective of the SGC if the only reason the Ori are 'gods' is because they have learned how to become what they are, then everyone has that ability. Therefore, everyone can be a god. i.e. Knowing more about how the universe works should not be the premise for what defines a god.
In addition, look at what the defines an ascended being. They live without a form, but can still both live and die. They know what they knew when they ascended and a little more they figured out the way, so they are still learning. They can manipulate matter (fire, make restaurants, etc.) with what they have learned and so they can do things.
These are all just heightened abilities of what a normal living being can do. Compare me to my dog. My dog can live and die, she can both know and learn things, and she can do things (lick herself, chase her tail, etc.). Now, I can do a bunch of things that she could never fathom to understanding. I [could] fly a space shuttle, throw her from a plane (in a parachute), or so many other things that seem unimaginable to her.
Just because I understand these things and she does not, does not make me a god. It means I have a greater understanding of how the universe works. The only difference between humanity and the Ori is that we have a greater understanding and so we know just how much more intelligent they are in comparison!
answered 8 hours ago
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It's worth noting that knowledge is in fact one of the traditional qualifications for a deity, and in fact in many monotheistic theologies omniscience is one the defining factors of God.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
1
@Adamant - And that is why it is all based on perspective. If you define someone as a god, then they are. However, if you don't, then they aren't. The Alterans do not view themselves as gods, but the Ori do. Does that mean that the Ori are gods, but the Alterans arn't? They are the same...
– Odin1806
8 hours ago
1
From my perspective, they both self-evidently are. It's just that, as a consequence of being written by either devoted Christians or devoted anti-theists, the shows would rather posit otherwise.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
'From my perspective' is exactly my point. I do not see either of them as gods... from my perspective. Sure they have greater abilities than I do, but [in the show] I could do that one day. I am not a god now, but I could be if I learned something? That seems awfully easy to gain that status. To me, a god should be something unimaginably unobtainable. - In addition, what would Daniel be? He did ascend, but came back... was he a god? If so, is he still?
– Odin1806
7 hours ago
1
A child can turn into an adult, but a child is not an adult. An atom of lead can turn into an atom of gold (and some byproducts) through nuclear transmutation, but lead is not gold. Why should it be strange that a human could become a god?
– Adamant
7 hours ago
|
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It's worth noting that knowledge is in fact one of the traditional qualifications for a deity, and in fact in many monotheistic theologies omniscience is one the defining factors of God.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
1
@Adamant - And that is why it is all based on perspective. If you define someone as a god, then they are. However, if you don't, then they aren't. The Alterans do not view themselves as gods, but the Ori do. Does that mean that the Ori are gods, but the Alterans arn't? They are the same...
– Odin1806
8 hours ago
1
From my perspective, they both self-evidently are. It's just that, as a consequence of being written by either devoted Christians or devoted anti-theists, the shows would rather posit otherwise.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
'From my perspective' is exactly my point. I do not see either of them as gods... from my perspective. Sure they have greater abilities than I do, but [in the show] I could do that one day. I am not a god now, but I could be if I learned something? That seems awfully easy to gain that status. To me, a god should be something unimaginably unobtainable. - In addition, what would Daniel be? He did ascend, but came back... was he a god? If so, is he still?
– Odin1806
7 hours ago
1
A child can turn into an adult, but a child is not an adult. An atom of lead can turn into an atom of gold (and some byproducts) through nuclear transmutation, but lead is not gold. Why should it be strange that a human could become a god?
– Adamant
7 hours ago
2
2
It's worth noting that knowledge is in fact one of the traditional qualifications for a deity, and in fact in many monotheistic theologies omniscience is one the defining factors of God.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
It's worth noting that knowledge is in fact one of the traditional qualifications for a deity, and in fact in many monotheistic theologies omniscience is one the defining factors of God.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
1
1
@Adamant - And that is why it is all based on perspective. If you define someone as a god, then they are. However, if you don't, then they aren't. The Alterans do not view themselves as gods, but the Ori do. Does that mean that the Ori are gods, but the Alterans arn't? They are the same...
– Odin1806
8 hours ago
@Adamant - And that is why it is all based on perspective. If you define someone as a god, then they are. However, if you don't, then they aren't. The Alterans do not view themselves as gods, but the Ori do. Does that mean that the Ori are gods, but the Alterans arn't? They are the same...
– Odin1806
8 hours ago
1
1
From my perspective, they both self-evidently are. It's just that, as a consequence of being written by either devoted Christians or devoted anti-theists, the shows would rather posit otherwise.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
From my perspective, they both self-evidently are. It's just that, as a consequence of being written by either devoted Christians or devoted anti-theists, the shows would rather posit otherwise.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
'From my perspective' is exactly my point. I do not see either of them as gods... from my perspective. Sure they have greater abilities than I do, but [in the show] I could do that one day. I am not a god now, but I could be if I learned something? That seems awfully easy to gain that status. To me, a god should be something unimaginably unobtainable. - In addition, what would Daniel be? He did ascend, but came back... was he a god? If so, is he still?
– Odin1806
7 hours ago
'From my perspective' is exactly my point. I do not see either of them as gods... from my perspective. Sure they have greater abilities than I do, but [in the show] I could do that one day. I am not a god now, but I could be if I learned something? That seems awfully easy to gain that status. To me, a god should be something unimaginably unobtainable. - In addition, what would Daniel be? He did ascend, but came back... was he a god? If so, is he still?
– Odin1806
7 hours ago
1
1
A child can turn into an adult, but a child is not an adult. An atom of lead can turn into an atom of gold (and some byproducts) through nuclear transmutation, but lead is not gold. Why should it be strange that a human could become a god?
– Adamant
7 hours ago
A child can turn into an adult, but a child is not an adult. An atom of lead can turn into an atom of gold (and some byproducts) through nuclear transmutation, but lead is not gold. Why should it be strange that a human could become a god?
– Adamant
7 hours ago
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This is addressed extensively throughout the final seasons of Stargate. The Ori are certainly powerful ascended beings, but simply being an ascended doesn't make you a god, at least to those with sufficient advancement to (broadly) understand the process by which one can ascend.
TEAL'C: One of the Ancients returned to human form to warn us that the Ori gain strength by sapping the power from their followers. That is why they seek our support! The Ori are not some benevolent gods, offering you the path to enlightenment. They are but manipulative beings who will use you and discard you once you have served their purpose.
SG-1: The Fourth Horseman, Part II
You may also want to note that although the Ori certainly do exist, their interaction with their followers is extremely minimal. Most of their worshippers come to the decision to worship the Ori as a result of a mixture of threats of violence and "magical" acts performed by their hired goons, the Priors of the Ori.
HAIKON: The Prior has healed our sick. Caused our crops to grow as if by magic. Why should I doubt the power of the Ori?
MITCHELL: Look, their power is not what you should question. It's how they use it. Anyone refuses to worship them, and they die. And I'm
not talking about a few non-believers here and there. I'm talking
about whole planets wiped out!
HAIKON: And I should simply take your word for this?
MITCHELL: You want to believe my people are godless and inferior? Go right ahead. But we have never needed proof of our gods' existence in order to believe in them. Faith. It was your faith that sustained you for five thousand years, not the Ancients themselves. Don't throw your history away for a bag full of magic tricks.
SG-1: Babylon
1
Right, but the process of ascension as described in Stargate is very similar to other religious teaching where the followers are able to become gods.
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
3
@Daishozen - Yes, powerful beings can seem god-like to less advances cultures. But that doesn't make them gods.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
1
So I guess, a follow up question would be what would the stargate definition of a 'real god' be?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
@Daishozen - Cameron Mitchell appears to be some flavour of Christian
– Valorum
8 hours ago
So, basically they are saying you are either God, or an imposter? Polytheism is not a possibility?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
This is addressed extensively throughout the final seasons of Stargate. The Ori are certainly powerful ascended beings, but simply being an ascended doesn't make you a god, at least to those with sufficient advancement to (broadly) understand the process by which one can ascend.
TEAL'C: One of the Ancients returned to human form to warn us that the Ori gain strength by sapping the power from their followers. That is why they seek our support! The Ori are not some benevolent gods, offering you the path to enlightenment. They are but manipulative beings who will use you and discard you once you have served their purpose.
SG-1: The Fourth Horseman, Part II
You may also want to note that although the Ori certainly do exist, their interaction with their followers is extremely minimal. Most of their worshippers come to the decision to worship the Ori as a result of a mixture of threats of violence and "magical" acts performed by their hired goons, the Priors of the Ori.
HAIKON: The Prior has healed our sick. Caused our crops to grow as if by magic. Why should I doubt the power of the Ori?
MITCHELL: Look, their power is not what you should question. It's how they use it. Anyone refuses to worship them, and they die. And I'm
not talking about a few non-believers here and there. I'm talking
about whole planets wiped out!
HAIKON: And I should simply take your word for this?
MITCHELL: You want to believe my people are godless and inferior? Go right ahead. But we have never needed proof of our gods' existence in order to believe in them. Faith. It was your faith that sustained you for five thousand years, not the Ancients themselves. Don't throw your history away for a bag full of magic tricks.
SG-1: Babylon
1
Right, but the process of ascension as described in Stargate is very similar to other religious teaching where the followers are able to become gods.
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
3
@Daishozen - Yes, powerful beings can seem god-like to less advances cultures. But that doesn't make them gods.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
1
So I guess, a follow up question would be what would the stargate definition of a 'real god' be?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
@Daishozen - Cameron Mitchell appears to be some flavour of Christian
– Valorum
8 hours ago
So, basically they are saying you are either God, or an imposter? Polytheism is not a possibility?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
This is addressed extensively throughout the final seasons of Stargate. The Ori are certainly powerful ascended beings, but simply being an ascended doesn't make you a god, at least to those with sufficient advancement to (broadly) understand the process by which one can ascend.
TEAL'C: One of the Ancients returned to human form to warn us that the Ori gain strength by sapping the power from their followers. That is why they seek our support! The Ori are not some benevolent gods, offering you the path to enlightenment. They are but manipulative beings who will use you and discard you once you have served their purpose.
SG-1: The Fourth Horseman, Part II
You may also want to note that although the Ori certainly do exist, their interaction with their followers is extremely minimal. Most of their worshippers come to the decision to worship the Ori as a result of a mixture of threats of violence and "magical" acts performed by their hired goons, the Priors of the Ori.
HAIKON: The Prior has healed our sick. Caused our crops to grow as if by magic. Why should I doubt the power of the Ori?
MITCHELL: Look, their power is not what you should question. It's how they use it. Anyone refuses to worship them, and they die. And I'm
not talking about a few non-believers here and there. I'm talking
about whole planets wiped out!
HAIKON: And I should simply take your word for this?
MITCHELL: You want to believe my people are godless and inferior? Go right ahead. But we have never needed proof of our gods' existence in order to believe in them. Faith. It was your faith that sustained you for five thousand years, not the Ancients themselves. Don't throw your history away for a bag full of magic tricks.
SG-1: Babylon
This is addressed extensively throughout the final seasons of Stargate. The Ori are certainly powerful ascended beings, but simply being an ascended doesn't make you a god, at least to those with sufficient advancement to (broadly) understand the process by which one can ascend.
TEAL'C: One of the Ancients returned to human form to warn us that the Ori gain strength by sapping the power from their followers. That is why they seek our support! The Ori are not some benevolent gods, offering you the path to enlightenment. They are but manipulative beings who will use you and discard you once you have served their purpose.
SG-1: The Fourth Horseman, Part II
You may also want to note that although the Ori certainly do exist, their interaction with their followers is extremely minimal. Most of their worshippers come to the decision to worship the Ori as a result of a mixture of threats of violence and "magical" acts performed by their hired goons, the Priors of the Ori.
HAIKON: The Prior has healed our sick. Caused our crops to grow as if by magic. Why should I doubt the power of the Ori?
MITCHELL: Look, their power is not what you should question. It's how they use it. Anyone refuses to worship them, and they die. And I'm
not talking about a few non-believers here and there. I'm talking
about whole planets wiped out!
HAIKON: And I should simply take your word for this?
MITCHELL: You want to believe my people are godless and inferior? Go right ahead. But we have never needed proof of our gods' existence in order to believe in them. Faith. It was your faith that sustained you for five thousand years, not the Ancients themselves. Don't throw your history away for a bag full of magic tricks.
SG-1: Babylon
edited 8 hours ago
answered 8 hours ago
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Right, but the process of ascension as described in Stargate is very similar to other religious teaching where the followers are able to become gods.
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
3
@Daishozen - Yes, powerful beings can seem god-like to less advances cultures. But that doesn't make them gods.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
1
So I guess, a follow up question would be what would the stargate definition of a 'real god' be?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
@Daishozen - Cameron Mitchell appears to be some flavour of Christian
– Valorum
8 hours ago
So, basically they are saying you are either God, or an imposter? Polytheism is not a possibility?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
1
Right, but the process of ascension as described in Stargate is very similar to other religious teaching where the followers are able to become gods.
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
3
@Daishozen - Yes, powerful beings can seem god-like to less advances cultures. But that doesn't make them gods.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
1
So I guess, a follow up question would be what would the stargate definition of a 'real god' be?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
@Daishozen - Cameron Mitchell appears to be some flavour of Christian
– Valorum
8 hours ago
So, basically they are saying you are either God, or an imposter? Polytheism is not a possibility?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
1
1
Right, but the process of ascension as described in Stargate is very similar to other religious teaching where the followers are able to become gods.
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
Right, but the process of ascension as described in Stargate is very similar to other religious teaching where the followers are able to become gods.
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
3
3
@Daishozen - Yes, powerful beings can seem god-like to less advances cultures. But that doesn't make them gods.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
@Daishozen - Yes, powerful beings can seem god-like to less advances cultures. But that doesn't make them gods.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
1
1
So I guess, a follow up question would be what would the stargate definition of a 'real god' be?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
So I guess, a follow up question would be what would the stargate definition of a 'real god' be?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
@Daishozen - Cameron Mitchell appears to be some flavour of Christian
– Valorum
8 hours ago
@Daishozen - Cameron Mitchell appears to be some flavour of Christian
– Valorum
8 hours ago
So, basically they are saying you are either God, or an imposter? Polytheism is not a possibility?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
So, basically they are saying you are either God, or an imposter? Polytheism is not a possibility?
– Daishozen
8 hours ago
|
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Hallowed are the Ori.
– Valorum
8 hours ago
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Hallowed are the Children of the Ori
– Daishozen
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On a lot of science fiction shows, such as Star Trek, the characters take a very unusual attitude toward divinity. They may meet entities that are effectively omniscient, omnipotent, or even omnibenevolent, or whose abilities defy the laws of physics, or even are obvious analogies for Earth religions, yet such entities will never be considered divine. Stargate is just a continuation of this trend.
– Adamant
8 hours ago
It's pretty traditional to label the gods of enemies... or enemy gods, I suppose, as "false". This is more about enmity than divinity, in this way the idea of an enemy god (one I don't follow) is equated to not a real god (one you shouldn't be following). Often spills over to gods that are "just" foreign, too.
– Megha
3 hours ago