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Why island and not light?
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There are some phrases in the suttas where it is said "be your own island".
The word for "island" is "dvipa" in Sanskrit, meanwhile "dipa" means "light" or "lamp" in Sanskrit. However, in Pali, "dipa" means both "island" and "light" / "lamp". Due to this, it is quite common for the phrase to be mistaken as "be your own light", especially among speakers of Indian languages.
Why does the sutta say "be your own island" instead of "be your own light"?
What is the significance of "be your own island"?
From SN 22.43 (translated by Bhikkhu Sujato):
“Mendicants, be your own island, your own refuge, with no other
refuge. Let the teaching be your island and your refuge, with no other
refuge.
Attadīpā, bhikkhave, viharatha attasaraṇā anaññasaraṇā, dhammadīpā
dhammasaraṇā anaññasaraṇā.
From this footnote by Maurice O'Connell Walshe:
Atta-diipaa. Diipa means both "island" (Sanskrit dviipa) and "lamp" (Sanskrit diipa), but the meaning "island" is
well-established here. The "self" referred to is of course the
unmetaphysical pronoun "oneself"
pali-canon
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There are some phrases in the suttas where it is said "be your own island".
The word for "island" is "dvipa" in Sanskrit, meanwhile "dipa" means "light" or "lamp" in Sanskrit. However, in Pali, "dipa" means both "island" and "light" / "lamp". Due to this, it is quite common for the phrase to be mistaken as "be your own light", especially among speakers of Indian languages.
Why does the sutta say "be your own island" instead of "be your own light"?
What is the significance of "be your own island"?
From SN 22.43 (translated by Bhikkhu Sujato):
“Mendicants, be your own island, your own refuge, with no other
refuge. Let the teaching be your island and your refuge, with no other
refuge.
Attadīpā, bhikkhave, viharatha attasaraṇā anaññasaraṇā, dhammadīpā
dhammasaraṇā anaññasaraṇā.
From this footnote by Maurice O'Connell Walshe:
Atta-diipaa. Diipa means both "island" (Sanskrit dviipa) and "lamp" (Sanskrit diipa), but the meaning "island" is
well-established here. The "self" referred to is of course the
unmetaphysical pronoun "oneself"
pali-canon
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There are some phrases in the suttas where it is said "be your own island".
The word for "island" is "dvipa" in Sanskrit, meanwhile "dipa" means "light" or "lamp" in Sanskrit. However, in Pali, "dipa" means both "island" and "light" / "lamp". Due to this, it is quite common for the phrase to be mistaken as "be your own light", especially among speakers of Indian languages.
Why does the sutta say "be your own island" instead of "be your own light"?
What is the significance of "be your own island"?
From SN 22.43 (translated by Bhikkhu Sujato):
“Mendicants, be your own island, your own refuge, with no other
refuge. Let the teaching be your island and your refuge, with no other
refuge.
Attadīpā, bhikkhave, viharatha attasaraṇā anaññasaraṇā, dhammadīpā
dhammasaraṇā anaññasaraṇā.
From this footnote by Maurice O'Connell Walshe:
Atta-diipaa. Diipa means both "island" (Sanskrit dviipa) and "lamp" (Sanskrit diipa), but the meaning "island" is
well-established here. The "self" referred to is of course the
unmetaphysical pronoun "oneself"
pali-canon
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There are some phrases in the suttas where it is said "be your own island".
The word for "island" is "dvipa" in Sanskrit, meanwhile "dipa" means "light" or "lamp" in Sanskrit. However, in Pali, "dipa" means both "island" and "light" / "lamp". Due to this, it is quite common for the phrase to be mistaken as "be your own light", especially among speakers of Indian languages.
Why does the sutta say "be your own island" instead of "be your own light"?
What is the significance of "be your own island"?
From SN 22.43 (translated by Bhikkhu Sujato):
“Mendicants, be your own island, your own refuge, with no other
refuge. Let the teaching be your island and your refuge, with no other
refuge.
Attadīpā, bhikkhave, viharatha attasaraṇā anaññasaraṇā, dhammadīpā
dhammasaraṇā anaññasaraṇā.
From this footnote by Maurice O'Connell Walshe:
Atta-diipaa. Diipa means both "island" (Sanskrit dviipa) and "lamp" (Sanskrit diipa), but the meaning "island" is
well-established here. The "self" referred to is of course the
unmetaphysical pronoun "oneself"
pali-canon
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Why does the sutta say "be your own island" instead of "be your own light"?
What is the significance of "be your own island"?
If you are on an island there is no other help. Likewise one or the dharma is one's own refuge.
The key here is the lack of other help.
You can have many lights illuminating, hence does not resonate that this is the only rescue.
answered 8 hours ago
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I thought it is message for Monks that they live alone and restrain from all desires and self. But confusion is Bhikkhu Sujato speak about ordinary person which I didn't get.
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There's a footnote in What the Buddha Taught by Walpola Sri Rahula:
Dipa here does not mean lamp, but it definitely means 'island'. The Digha-nikaya
Commentary (DA Colombo ed. p. 380), commenting on the word dipa here says:
Mahasamuddagatam dipam viya attanam dipam patit/ham katvd viharatha. 'Dwell making
yourselves an island, a support (resting place) even as an island in the great ocean.'
Samsdra, the continuity of existence, is usually compared to an ocean, samsarasdgara, and what is required in the ocean for safety is an island, a solid land, and not
a lamp.
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Yes Dhammapada - 238 says same. Make an island unto yourself! Strive hard and become wise! Rid of impurities and cleansed of stain, you shall not come again to birth and decay. Dhammapad - 238
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
So it is message to unskillful person to be like an island. Build your own island. Thank you so much.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
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In Northern Canon there is an Agama that talks about the lamp:
It was a dark night, raining lightly, with flashes of lightning. The Buddha said to Ananda: "You can come out with the umbrella over the lamp." Ananda listened, and walked behind the Buddha, with an umbrella over the lamp. When they reached a place, the Buddha smiled. Ananda said: "The Buddha doesn’t smile without a reason. What brings the smile today?" The Buddha said: "That’s right! That’s right! The Buddha doesn’t smile without a reason. Now you are following me with an umbrella over a lamp. I look around, and see everyone doing the same thing."
The idea is that each of us already have our own lamp, our basic sanity aka Buddha Nature. And yet, we all follow the Buddha and want him to show us the way.
Instead, the Buddha says, be your own lamp, use the light which you already have. As he says in Kalama Sutta - think, what actions bring what results. See for yourself.
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Why does the sutta say "be your own island" instead of "be your own light"?
What is the significance of "be your own island"?
If you are on an island there is no other help. Likewise one or the dharma is one's own refuge.
The key here is the lack of other help.
You can have many lights illuminating, hence does not resonate that this is the only rescue.
answered 8 hours ago
Suminda Sirinath S. DharmasenaSuminda Sirinath S. Dharmasena
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I thought it is message for Monks that they live alone and restrain from all desires and self. But confusion is Bhikkhu Sujato speak about ordinary person which I didn't get.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
Why does the sutta say "be your own island" instead of "be your own light"?
What is the significance of "be your own island"?
If you are on an island there is no other help. Likewise one or the dharma is one's own refuge.
The key here is the lack of other help.
You can have many lights illuminating, hence does not resonate that this is the only rescue.
answered 8 hours ago
Suminda Sirinath S. DharmasenaSuminda Sirinath S. Dharmasena
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I thought it is message for Monks that they live alone and restrain from all desires and self. But confusion is Bhikkhu Sujato speak about ordinary person which I didn't get.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
Why does the sutta say "be your own island" instead of "be your own light"?
What is the significance of "be your own island"?
If you are on an island there is no other help. Likewise one or the dharma is one's own refuge.
The key here is the lack of other help.
You can have many lights illuminating, hence does not resonate that this is the only rescue.
answered 8 hours ago
Suminda Sirinath S. DharmasenaSuminda Sirinath S. Dharmasena
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Why does the sutta say "be your own island" instead of "be your own light"?
What is the significance of "be your own island"?
If you are on an island there is no other help. Likewise one or the dharma is one's own refuge.
The key here is the lack of other help.
You can have many lights illuminating, hence does not resonate that this is the only rescue.
answered 8 hours ago
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I thought it is message for Monks that they live alone and restrain from all desires and self. But confusion is Bhikkhu Sujato speak about ordinary person which I didn't get.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
add a comment
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I thought it is message for Monks that they live alone and restrain from all desires and self. But confusion is Bhikkhu Sujato speak about ordinary person which I didn't get.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
1
1
I thought it is message for Monks that they live alone and restrain from all desires and self. But confusion is Bhikkhu Sujato speak about ordinary person which I didn't get.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
I thought it is message for Monks that they live alone and restrain from all desires and self. But confusion is Bhikkhu Sujato speak about ordinary person which I didn't get.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
add a comment
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There's a footnote in What the Buddha Taught by Walpola Sri Rahula:
Dipa here does not mean lamp, but it definitely means 'island'. The Digha-nikaya
Commentary (DA Colombo ed. p. 380), commenting on the word dipa here says:
Mahasamuddagatam dipam viya attanam dipam patit/ham katvd viharatha. 'Dwell making
yourselves an island, a support (resting place) even as an island in the great ocean.'
Samsdra, the continuity of existence, is usually compared to an ocean, samsarasdgara, and what is required in the ocean for safety is an island, a solid land, and not
a lamp.
answered 8 hours ago
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Yes Dhammapada - 238 says same. Make an island unto yourself! Strive hard and become wise! Rid of impurities and cleansed of stain, you shall not come again to birth and decay. Dhammapad - 238
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
So it is message to unskillful person to be like an island. Build your own island. Thank you so much.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
There's a footnote in What the Buddha Taught by Walpola Sri Rahula:
Dipa here does not mean lamp, but it definitely means 'island'. The Digha-nikaya
Commentary (DA Colombo ed. p. 380), commenting on the word dipa here says:
Mahasamuddagatam dipam viya attanam dipam patit/ham katvd viharatha. 'Dwell making
yourselves an island, a support (resting place) even as an island in the great ocean.'
Samsdra, the continuity of existence, is usually compared to an ocean, samsarasdgara, and what is required in the ocean for safety is an island, a solid land, and not
a lamp.
answered 8 hours ago
ChrisW♦ChrisW
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Yes Dhammapada - 238 says same. Make an island unto yourself! Strive hard and become wise! Rid of impurities and cleansed of stain, you shall not come again to birth and decay. Dhammapad - 238
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
So it is message to unskillful person to be like an island. Build your own island. Thank you so much.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
There's a footnote in What the Buddha Taught by Walpola Sri Rahula:
Dipa here does not mean lamp, but it definitely means 'island'. The Digha-nikaya
Commentary (DA Colombo ed. p. 380), commenting on the word dipa here says:
Mahasamuddagatam dipam viya attanam dipam patit/ham katvd viharatha. 'Dwell making
yourselves an island, a support (resting place) even as an island in the great ocean.'
Samsdra, the continuity of existence, is usually compared to an ocean, samsarasdgara, and what is required in the ocean for safety is an island, a solid land, and not
a lamp.
answered 8 hours ago
ChrisW♦ChrisW
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There's a footnote in What the Buddha Taught by Walpola Sri Rahula:
Dipa here does not mean lamp, but it definitely means 'island'. The Digha-nikaya
Commentary (DA Colombo ed. p. 380), commenting on the word dipa here says:
Mahasamuddagatam dipam viya attanam dipam patit/ham katvd viharatha. 'Dwell making
yourselves an island, a support (resting place) even as an island in the great ocean.'
Samsdra, the continuity of existence, is usually compared to an ocean, samsarasdgara, and what is required in the ocean for safety is an island, a solid land, and not
a lamp.
answered 8 hours ago
ChrisW♦ChrisW
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answered 8 hours ago
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answered 8 hours ago
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Yes Dhammapada - 238 says same. Make an island unto yourself! Strive hard and become wise! Rid of impurities and cleansed of stain, you shall not come again to birth and decay. Dhammapad - 238
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
So it is message to unskillful person to be like an island. Build your own island. Thank you so much.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
1
Yes Dhammapada - 238 says same. Make an island unto yourself! Strive hard and become wise! Rid of impurities and cleansed of stain, you shall not come again to birth and decay. Dhammapad - 238
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
So it is message to unskillful person to be like an island. Build your own island. Thank you so much.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
1
1
Yes Dhammapada - 238 says same. Make an island unto yourself! Strive hard and become wise! Rid of impurities and cleansed of stain, you shall not come again to birth and decay. Dhammapad - 238
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
Yes Dhammapada - 238 says same. Make an island unto yourself! Strive hard and become wise! Rid of impurities and cleansed of stain, you shall not come again to birth and decay. Dhammapad - 238
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
So it is message to unskillful person to be like an island. Build your own island. Thank you so much.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
So it is message to unskillful person to be like an island. Build your own island. Thank you so much.
– Swapnil
8 hours ago
add a comment
|
In Northern Canon there is an Agama that talks about the lamp:
It was a dark night, raining lightly, with flashes of lightning. The Buddha said to Ananda: "You can come out with the umbrella over the lamp." Ananda listened, and walked behind the Buddha, with an umbrella over the lamp. When they reached a place, the Buddha smiled. Ananda said: "The Buddha doesn’t smile without a reason. What brings the smile today?" The Buddha said: "That’s right! That’s right! The Buddha doesn’t smile without a reason. Now you are following me with an umbrella over a lamp. I look around, and see everyone doing the same thing."
The idea is that each of us already have our own lamp, our basic sanity aka Buddha Nature. And yet, we all follow the Buddha and want him to show us the way.
Instead, the Buddha says, be your own lamp, use the light which you already have. As he says in Kalama Sutta - think, what actions bring what results. See for yourself.
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In Northern Canon there is an Agama that talks about the lamp:
It was a dark night, raining lightly, with flashes of lightning. The Buddha said to Ananda: "You can come out with the umbrella over the lamp." Ananda listened, and walked behind the Buddha, with an umbrella over the lamp. When they reached a place, the Buddha smiled. Ananda said: "The Buddha doesn’t smile without a reason. What brings the smile today?" The Buddha said: "That’s right! That’s right! The Buddha doesn’t smile without a reason. Now you are following me with an umbrella over a lamp. I look around, and see everyone doing the same thing."
The idea is that each of us already have our own lamp, our basic sanity aka Buddha Nature. And yet, we all follow the Buddha and want him to show us the way.
Instead, the Buddha says, be your own lamp, use the light which you already have. As he says in Kalama Sutta - think, what actions bring what results. See for yourself.
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In Northern Canon there is an Agama that talks about the lamp:
It was a dark night, raining lightly, with flashes of lightning. The Buddha said to Ananda: "You can come out with the umbrella over the lamp." Ananda listened, and walked behind the Buddha, with an umbrella over the lamp. When they reached a place, the Buddha smiled. Ananda said: "The Buddha doesn’t smile without a reason. What brings the smile today?" The Buddha said: "That’s right! That’s right! The Buddha doesn’t smile without a reason. Now you are following me with an umbrella over a lamp. I look around, and see everyone doing the same thing."
The idea is that each of us already have our own lamp, our basic sanity aka Buddha Nature. And yet, we all follow the Buddha and want him to show us the way.
Instead, the Buddha says, be your own lamp, use the light which you already have. As he says in Kalama Sutta - think, what actions bring what results. See for yourself.
answered 4 hours ago
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In Northern Canon there is an Agama that talks about the lamp:
It was a dark night, raining lightly, with flashes of lightning. The Buddha said to Ananda: "You can come out with the umbrella over the lamp." Ananda listened, and walked behind the Buddha, with an umbrella over the lamp. When they reached a place, the Buddha smiled. Ananda said: "The Buddha doesn’t smile without a reason. What brings the smile today?" The Buddha said: "That’s right! That’s right! The Buddha doesn’t smile without a reason. Now you are following me with an umbrella over a lamp. I look around, and see everyone doing the same thing."
The idea is that each of us already have our own lamp, our basic sanity aka Buddha Nature. And yet, we all follow the Buddha and want him to show us the way.
Instead, the Buddha says, be your own lamp, use the light which you already have. As he says in Kalama Sutta - think, what actions bring what results. See for yourself.
answered 4 hours ago
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StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
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Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
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Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
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